I don't know about you lot but this year is the first time that I have 
considered what rally's I attend and what I take because the cost of getting 
there and running the engine has just gone off the clock. My Van is fitted 
with a MPG option and I am now driving to that and behaving like a pensioner 
out on a drive on a Sunday.
I have booked the Lister L into Dorset, two years ago over the five days she 
used 31 litres, at current prices that's going to cost me £40.00 not 
including transporting it there. Predicting forwards the price I recon its 
going to be nearer £50.00, Its starting to get very expensive to rally.

Martin P

-- 
martin.perman@btopenworld.com

Semper in Excrementem Altitudo Solus Varius

My Photo's :- 
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:38:06 +0100, "campingstoveman"
 wrote:

>I don't know about you lot but this year is the first time that I have 
>considered what rally's I attend and what I take because the cost of getting 
>there and running the engine has just gone off the clock. My Van is fitted 
>with a MPG option and I am now driving to that and behaving like a pensioner 
>out on a drive on a Sunday.
>I have booked the Lister L into Dorset, two years ago over the five days she 
>used 31 litres, at current prices that's going to cost me £40.00 not 
>including transporting it there. Predicting forwards the price I recon its 
>going to be nearer £50.00, Its starting to get very expensive to rally.
>
>Martin P

Oil hit $132 per barrel for a while today, that is over double what it was this
timne last year, so petrol/diesel is going to get more expensive.

We've always tried to group trips together so that we don't run out for just one
thing, but these latest rises are going to make us even more careful about using
both the big vans.

There's always a background anount of to-ing and fro-ing, but at nearly £90 a
fill-up, it is indeed getting very pricy.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.eu

£90 for a fill up, I put £84 in today for 3/4 of a tank, for a van that is 
always half full or more I am getting 38 mpg just by sticking religiously to 
correct road speeds.

Martin P
"Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
news:lsl8345e912de8u7sp96pnvsos2mrvldo0@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:38:06 +0100, "campingstoveman"
>  wrote:
>
>>I don't know about you lot but this year is the first time that I have
>>considered what rally's I attend and what I take because the cost of 
>>getting
>>there and running the engine has just gone off the clock. My Van is fitted
>>with a MPG option and I am now driving to that and behaving like a 
>>pensioner
>>out on a drive on a Sunday.
>>I have booked the Lister L into Dorset, two years ago over the five days 
>>she
>>used 31 litres, at current prices that's going to cost me £40.00 not
>>including transporting it there. Predicting forwards the price I recon its
>>going to be nearer £50.00, Its starting to get very expensive to rally.
>>
>>Martin P
>
> Oil hit $132 per barrel for a while today, that is over double what it was 
> this
> timne last year, so petrol/diesel is going to get more expensive.
>
> We've always tried to group trips together so that we don't run out for 
> just one
> thing, but these latest rises are going to make us even more careful about 
> using
> both the big vans.
>
> There's always a background anount of to-ing and fro-ing, but at nearly 
> £90 a
> fill-up, it is indeed getting very pricy.
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
> peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.eu

On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:55:00 +0100, "campingstoveman"
 wrote:

>£90 for a fill up, I put £84 in today for 3/4 of a tank, for a van that is 
>always half full or more I am getting 38 mpg just by sticking religiously to 
>correct road speeds.
>
>Martin P

Lowest we have seen is about 25mpg with trailer and full load on the motorway,
best was nearly 40mpg when we left to come home from somewhere in Lincolnshire
and realised that none of us had any money on us and the van was 1/4 full....

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk

With a 3. litre V8 petrol, one doesn't expect much in the way of economy & 
the aggregate according to the onboard computer is 25mpg. It is indeed 
getting expensive - nut hands up those who see it falling or not a sneaky 
way of reducing our annual mileage.

When I started in 1958 (Jeeze, that's fifty years just about now - gosh) it 
was 4/6d for a gallon of five star, but I was on an apprentices wages. Is it 
a great deal more expensive now I wonder?

regards,

Kim Siddorn

"Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
news:fps834dmkg6it90jap2jkkpug906lnru9k@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:55:00 +0100, "campingstoveman"
>  wrote:
>
>>£90 for a fill up, I put £84 in today for 3/4 of a tank, for a van that is
>>always half full or more I am getting 38 mpg just by sticking religiously 
>>to
>>correct road speeds.
>>
>>Martin P
>
> Lowest we have seen is about 25mpg with trailer and full load on the 
> motorway,
> best was nearly 40mpg when we left to come home from somewhere in 
> Lincolnshire
> and realised that none of us had any money on us and the van was 1/4 
> full....
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk

On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:38:35 +0100, "Kim Siddorn" 
wrote:

>With a 3. litre V8 petrol, one doesn't expect much in the way of economy & 
>the aggregate according to the onboard computer is 25mpg. It is indeed 
>getting expensive - nut hands up those who see it falling or not a sneaky 
>way of reducing our annual mileage.
>
>When I started in 1958 (Jeeze, that's fifty years just about now - gosh) it 
>was 4/6d for a gallon of five star, but I was on an apprentices wages. Is it 
>a great deal more expensive now I wonder?
>
>regards,
>
>Kim Siddorn
>

http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/Petrol_Prices_1896_todate_gallons.pdf

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk

Peter A Forbes wrote:

> 
> Lowest we have seen is about 25mpg with trailer and full load on the motorway,
> best was nearly 40mpg when we left to come home from somewhere in Lincolnshire
> and realised that none of us had any money on us and the van was 1/4 full....
> 
> Peter

When I had the misfortune to be locked into a daily 100+ mile commute, I 
bought a Citroen AX diesel (great car) and averaged nearly 75mpg. Now I 
am lucky to get 45mpg from the Suzuki Wagon R and fuel costs on trips 
out do have to be considered.

Still off to Lamport next weekend though - I hope there will be enough 
people able to justify the cost of hauling and running an engine there 
to make it worthwhile!

Nick H

As a club member sadly I am not going, may go to Pitstone on the Monday with 
my BSA charging set, have got to spend Saturday and Sunday erecting steel 
shelving in garage so am praying for good weather as I need to empty the 
garage to get the shelving in.

Martin P
"NHH"  wrote in message 
news:69ji6jF33ku5sU1@mid.individual.net...
> Peter A Forbes wrote:
>
>>
>> Lowest we have seen is about 25mpg with trailer and full load on the 
>> motorway,
>> best was nearly 40mpg when we left to come home from somewhere in 
>> Lincolnshire
>> and realised that none of us had any money on us and the van was 1/4 
>> full....
>>
>> Peter
>
> When I had the misfortune to be locked into a daily 100+ mile commute, I 
> bought a Citroen AX diesel (great car) and averaged nearly 75mpg. Now I am 
> lucky to get 45mpg from the Suzuki Wagon R and fuel costs on trips out do 
> have to be considered.
>
> Still off to Lamport next weekend though - I hope there will be enough 
> people able to justify the cost of hauling and running an engine there to 
> make it worthwhile!
>
> Nick H

campingstoveman wrote:
> As a club member sadly I am not going, may go to Pitstone on the Monday with 
> my BSA charging set, have got to spend Saturday and Sunday erecting steel 
> shelving in garage so am praying for good weather as I need to empty the 
> garage to get the shelving in.
> 
> Martin P

Currently looking like you might get the good weather for Saturday, but 
Sunday and Monday are forecast pretty grim. Looking back on NG archives 
I note my comments Re. last year's Lamport rally :-

> Near drowned at Lamport yesterday - only the valient few actually ran their 
> engines and I felt a little less than happy about having made a 150 mile + 
> round trip and paid £12 entry for the two of us, all to see a fine display 
> of tarpaulins (oops, I'm moaning again!). One of the few was P T-E to whom 
> we passed a few items I had promised to take.

Perhaps I won't bother this year.

Nick H

On Thu, 22 May 2008 10:56:18 +0100, Nick H  wrote:

>Currently looking like you might get the good weather for Saturday, but 
>Sunday and Monday are forecast pretty grim. Looking back on NG archives 
>I note my comments Re. last year's Lamport rally :-
>
>> Near drowned at Lamport yesterday - only the valient few actually ran their 
>> engines and I felt a little less than happy about having made a 150 mile + 
>> round trip and paid £12 entry for the two of us, all to see a fine display 
>> of tarpaulins (oops, I'm moaning again!). One of the few was P T-E to whom 
>> we passed a few items I had promised to take.
>
>Perhaps I won't bother this year.
>
>Nick H

The weather forecast has deteriorated noticeably in the past 36 hours, heavy
rain and a 5 deg drop in temperatures, means that not many folks will be going
to anything outdoors this holiday weekend.

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.eu

Peter A Forbes wrote:

> 
> The weather forecast has deteriorated noticeably in the past 36 hours, heavy
> rain and a 5 deg drop in temperatures, means that not many folks will be going
> to anything outdoors this holiday weekend.
> 
> Peter

Terrific, Lamport looks less and less attractive. Any suggestions re 
alternatives closer to W.London? If I'm going to have a miserable day 
out I'd at least like not to have to drive too far to get there! How 
about the steam and vintage show at the Milestones museum in Basingstoke 
- I've never been, any engine content?

Nick H

On Thu, 22 May 2008 16:42:23 +0100, Nick H  wrote:


>Terrific, Lamport looks less and less attractive. Any suggestions re 
>alternatives closer to W.London? If I'm going to have a miserable day 
>out I'd at least like not to have to drive too far to get there! How 
>about the steam and vintage show at the Milestones museum in Basingstoke 
>- I've never been, any engine content?
>
>Nick H

Lot of Thorneycroft-related stuff, never been there either, but it's a brand new
venue (or was) so should be good. My only reservation is that it is a 'themed'
venue with all that implies.

Old Glory had a few articles around the time it opened, probably 5 years ago?

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk

Worth the trip to see what they have got and done there.

Martin P
"Nick H"  wrote in message 
news:69lij0F31qmg8U1@mid.individual.net...
> Peter A Forbes wrote:
>
>>
>> The weather forecast has deteriorated noticeably in the past 36 hours, 
>> heavy
>> rain and a 5 deg drop in temperatures, means that not many folks will be 
>> going
>> to anything outdoors this holiday weekend.
>>
>> Peter
>
> Terrific, Lamport looks less and less attractive. Any suggestions re 
> alternatives closer to W.London? If I'm going to have a miserable day out 
> I'd at least like not to have to drive too far to get there! How about the 
> steam and vintage show at the Milestones museum in Basingstoke - I've 
> never been, any engine content?
>
> Nick H

"Nick H"  wrote in message 
news:69lij0F31qmg8U1@mid.individual.net...
> Peter A Forbes wrote:
>
>>
>> The weather forecast has deteriorated noticeably in the past 
>> 36 hours, heavy
>> rain and a 5 deg drop in temperatures, means that not many 
>> folks will be going
>> to anything outdoors this holiday weekend.
>>
>> Peter
>
> Terrific, Lamport looks less and less attractive. Any 
> suggestions re alternatives closer to W.London?

You could try the Cuckoo Fair at Laughton, East Sussex (near 
Lewes). Some of your friends from the NHES are showing there.

-- 
MatSav

On Thu, 22 May 2008 18:14:31 +0100, "campingstoveman"
 wrote:

>Worth the trip to see what they have got and done there.
>
>Martin P

Not if you're going to get soaked to the skin it isn't, and we like going to
Lamport!

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.eu

MatSav wrote:

> 
> You could try the Cuckoo Fair at Laughton, East Sussex (near 
> Lewes). Some of your friends from the NHES are showing there.
>

I do seem to recall that one being mentioned at the last club night. 
Lewes is quite a schlep from W.London though - probably further than 
Lamport. I think we are going to give the Surrey Steam and Country fair 
Nr. Epsom a go.

Nick H

Goodness me, you are a gloomy lot! As someone who spends almost every 
weekend from Easter to the end of September in a field somewhere, my 
experience is that you get moist about three times a year. It's like riding 
a motorbike to work: on the face of it you are likely to get a soaking quite 
frequently whereas in actual fact I used to get wet four or five times a 
year.

Forecasts and predictions are all fine & dandy but it actually has to rain 
on YOU before it matters.

Don't be put off, go and have some fun Nick, take something unusual and a 
chair with a fishing umbrella. If you get soggy, you can console yourself 
that I'll be at the Royal Gunpowder Mills just off the A10 junction all 
weekend, right in the centre of the predicted path.

Nice on Saturday I understand................

Have a good holiday all.

regards,

Kim Siddorn

"Nick H"  wrote in message 
news:69nh1uF33fno5U1@mid.individual.net...
> MatSav wrote:
>
>>
>> You could try the Cuckoo Fair at Laughton, East Sussex (near Lewes). Some 
>> of your friends from the NHES are showing there.
>>
>
> I do seem to recall that one being mentioned at the last club night. Lewes 
> is quite a schlep from W.London though - probably further than Lamport. I 
> think we are going to give the Surrey Steam and Country fair Nr. Epsom a 
> go.
>
> Nick H
>

Now I'm even more confused! The pdf tells us the price per gallon per year? 
Erm ..........

Help!
regards,

Kim Siddorn

"Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
news:4iv834904ulibie5pkek2brq9uarsmd4aa@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:38:35 +0100, "Kim Siddorn" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>With a 3. litre V8 petrol, one doesn't expect much in the way of economy &
>>the aggregate according to the onboard computer is 25mpg. It is indeed
>>getting expensive - nut hands up those who see it falling or not a sneaky
>>way of reducing our annual mileage.
>>
>>When I started in 1958 (Jeeze, that's fifty years just about now - gosh) 
>>it
>>was 4/6d for a gallon of five star, but I was on an apprentices wages. Is 
>>it
>>a great deal more expensive now I wonder?
>>
>>regards,
>>
>>Kim Siddorn
>>
>
> http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/Petrol_Prices_1896_todate_gallons.pdf
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter & Rita Forbes
> Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
> http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
> http://www.oldengine.co.uk

Dear All, It stops being a hobby when you start doing pricing exercises!! 
Stationary engines were built when the cost of crude and refined was 
practically negligible. Not so now!! I'm glad I'm off the road at the 
moment, but if I suddenly felt the urge to go to a rally then I would just 
go and sod the expense! Personally, I don't weigh up the cost of enjoying 
myself, not much point really, it's the age old dilemma where fuel is 
concerned. They've got it, we need it so we pay their price, end of story!!
"campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
news:F-Gdnda-S_Rz0qnVnZ2dnUVZ8uKdnZ2d@bt.com...
>I don't know about you lot but this year is the first time that I have 
>considered what rally's I attend and what I take because the cost of 
>getting there and running the engine has just gone off the clock. My Van is 
>fitted with a MPG option and I am now driving to that and behaving like a 
>pensioner out on a drive on a Sunday.
> I have booked the Lister L into Dorset, two years ago over the five days 
> she used 31 litres, at current prices that's going to cost me £40.00 not 
> including transporting it there. Predicting forwards the price I recon its 
> going to be nearer £50.00, Its starting to get very expensive to rally.
>
> Martin P
>
> -- 
> martin.perman@btopenworld.com
>
> Semper in Excrementem Altitudo Solus Varius
>
> My Photo's :- 
> http://internalfire.com/modules.php?set_albumName=campingstoveman&op=modload&name=PubGallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
>
> Also you will find some here http://picasaweb.google.com/campingstoveman
>

On Sat, 24 May 2008 00:27:55 +0100, "Charles Hamilton"
 wrote:

>Dear All, It stops being a hobby when you start doing pricing exercises!! 
>Stationary engines were built when the cost of crude and refined was 
>practically negligible. Not so now!! I'm glad I'm off the road at the 
>moment, but if I suddenly felt the urge to go to a rally then I would just 
>go and sod the expense! Personally, I don't weigh up the cost of enjoying 
>myself, not much point really, it's the age old dilemma where fuel is 
>concerned. They've got it, we need it so we pay their price, end of story!!

Up to a point, Charles I would agree, but you cannot just completely ignore a
cost which was manageable but now threatens a lot of private motoring for most
folks.

Since we moved factory I can now walk to work instead of the 40 miles each way
we used to do daily, so our 'going to work' costs are not an issue, but we still
have to pay for anything outside work, and the cost of fuel for Nuenen for
example was over £120, not exactly pocket money any more.

Any rally that is more than a couple of hours away is now under threat,
especially if there's a chance of poor weather....

Peter
--
Peter A Forbes
Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.co.uk
http://www.prepair.eu

Nick H wrote:
(snip)
> I think we are going to give the Surrey Steam and Country fair 
> Nr. Epsom a go.
>


Despite ringing the organiser to check that the show included SEs, there 
was not so much as a lawnmower engine screwed to a scaffold board in 
evidence!

Nick H

Pitstone on Monday then :-))


"NHH"  wrote in message 
news:69qrslF34h4i7U1@mid.individual.net...
> Nick H wrote:
> (snip)
>> I think we are going to give the Surrey Steam and Country fair Nr. Epsom 
>> a go.
>>
>
>
> Despite ringing the organiser to check that the show included SEs, there 
> was not so much as a lawnmower engine screwed to a scaffold board in 
> evidence!
>
> Nick H

It used to cost me £80 to go to Astle Park when I had the RR Vogue 3.5 SE 
and a trailer full of engines and junk, (Shudder to think what it would cost 
now !!!) but it still wouldn't stop me. Regarding the private motoring 
thing, I'm afraid that I subscribe to the principle that if You can't afford 
it, don't do it !! Survival of the fittest and all that!! It might be a good 
thing ,keeping more d**kheads off the roads.
"Peter A Forbes"  wrote in message 
news:2fcf34905mff7cno9ud9flfiruqtstv2ub@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 00:27:55 +0100, "Charles Hamilton"
>  wrote:
>
>>Dear All, It stops being a hobby when you start doing pricing exercises!!
>>Stationary engines were built when the cost of crude and refined was
>>practically negligible. Not so now!! I'm glad I'm off the road at the
>>moment, but if I suddenly felt the urge to go to a rally then I would just
>>go and sod the expense! Personally, I don't weigh up the cost of enjoying
>>myself, not much point really, it's the age old dilemma where fuel is
>>concerned. They've got it, we need it so we pay their price, end of 
>>story!!
>
> Up to a point, Charles I would agree, but you cannot just completely 
> ignore a
> cost which was manageable but now threatens a lot of private motoring for 
> most
> folks.
>
> Since we moved factory I can now walk to work instead of the 40 miles each 
> way
> we used to do daily, so our 'going to work' costs are not an issue, but we 
> still
> have to pay for anything outside work, and the cost of fuel for Nuenen for
> example was over £120, not exactly pocket money any more.
>
> Any rally that is more than a couple of hours away is now under threat,
> especially if there's a chance of poor weather....
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter A Forbes
> Prepair Ltd, Rushden, UK
> peterforbes@prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.co.uk
> http://www.prepair.eu

Gentlemen,

Well all my plans for the weekend have all gone out of the window, yesterday 
I cut the grass, went to the scrapman to get rid of a load more stainless 
but came away as it was only weighbridge work with a long queue and I had 
several metals in the van for sorting. Boots finally found my new glasses so 
that wasted 1.5hrs as I had to go into town to fetch them. I got the BSA 
Genny out and test ran that with my light board now fitted with 12 Volt lamp 
holders. Finally I had to fault find four white goods in our out house, wife 
calls it a utility room, because there was a blue flash a big bang and the 
smell of burning just prior to the power going off, the fridge has died in a 
big way even though the freezer part is still working. Its handy having the 
caravan outside your backdoor as that is likely to be used as nobody from 
the warranty can be called before Tuesday to come and look at it. Today I 
had decided to clear the garage to get in some Dexion shelving I have 
recently acquired but its absolutely persisting it down, hopefully it will 
rain today and not tomorrow when I go to Pitstone for the day. The rest of 
the week I am in Italy on training so will have a little break :-))

Martin P
"campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
news:2radnekEZ_ZkCqnVnZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
> As a club member sadly I am not going, may go to Pitstone on the Monday 
> with my BSA charging set, have got to spend Saturday and Sunday erecting 
> steel shelving in garage so am praying for good weather as I need to empty 
> the garage to get the shelving in.
>
> Martin P
> "NHH"  wrote in message 
> news:69ji6jF33ku5sU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Peter A Forbes wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lowest we have seen is about 25mpg with trailer and full load on the 
>>> motorway,
>>> best was nearly 40mpg when we left to come home from somewhere in 
>>> Lincolnshire
>>> and realised that none of us had any money on us and the van was 1/4 
>>> full....
>>>
>>> Peter
>>
>> When I had the misfortune to be locked into a daily 100+ mile commute, I 
>> bought a Citroen AX diesel (great car) and averaged nearly 75mpg. Now I 
>> am lucky to get 45mpg from the Suzuki Wagon R and fuel costs on trips out 
>> do have to be considered.
>>
>> Still off to Lamport next weekend though - I hope there will be enough 
>> people able to justify the cost of hauling and running an engine there to 
>> make it worthwhile!
>>
>> Nick H
>
>

Gentlemen,

Fridge is working perfectly, my wife saw the flash as a reflection in the 
front of the Tumble drier and Fridge when she sat on a stool which cut the 
cable attached to the caravan electrics. A metal stool I might add, my wife 
said something about being electrocuted and I muttered something about no 
sense no feeling :-))

Martin P

"campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
news:-YqdnfA8ZIsX0qTV4p2dnAA@bt.com...
> Gentlemen,
>
> Well all my plans for the weekend have all gone out of the window, 
> yesterday I cut the grass, went to the scrapman to get rid of a load more 
> stainless but came away as it was only weighbridge work with a long queue 
> and I had several metals in the van for sorting. Boots finally found my 
> new glasses so that wasted 1.5hrs as I had to go into town to fetch them. 
> I got the BSA Genny out and test ran that with my light board now fitted 
> with 12 Volt lamp holders. Finally I had to fault find four white goods in 
> our out house, wife calls it a utility room, because there was a blue 
> flash a big bang and the smell of burning just prior to the power going 
> off, the fridge has died in a big way even though the freezer part is 
> still working. Its handy having the caravan outside your backdoor as that 
> is likely to be used as nobody from the warranty can be called before 
> Tuesday to come and look at it. Today I had decided to clear the garage to 
> get in some Dexion shelving I have recently acquired but its absolutely 
> persisting it down, hopefully it will rain today and not tomorrow when I 
> go to Pitstone for the day. The rest of the week I am in Italy on training 
> so will have a little break :-))
>
> Martin P
> "campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
> news:2radnekEZ_ZkCqnVnZ2dnUVZ8uSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> As a club member sadly I am not going, may go to Pitstone on the Monday 
>> with my BSA charging set, have got to spend Saturday and Sunday erecting 
>> steel shelving in garage so am praying for good weather as I need to 
>> empty the garage to get the shelving in.
>>
>> Martin P
>> "NHH"  wrote in message 
>> news:69ji6jF33ku5sU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Peter A Forbes wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lowest we have seen is about 25mpg with trailer and full load on the 
>>>> motorway,
>>>> best was nearly 40mpg when we left to come home from somewhere in 
>>>> Lincolnshire
>>>> and realised that none of us had any money on us and the van was 1/4 
>>>> full....
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>
>>> When I had the misfortune to be locked into a daily 100+ mile commute, I 
>>> bought a Citroen AX diesel (great car) and averaged nearly 75mpg. Now I 
>>> am lucky to get 45mpg from the Suzuki Wagon R and fuel costs on trips 
>>> out do have to be considered.
>>>
>>> Still off to Lamport next weekend though - I hope there will be enough 
>>> people able to justify the cost of hauling and running an engine there 
>>> to make it worthwhile!
>>>
>>> Nick H
>>
>>
>
>

On Sun, 25 May 2008 22:14:17 +0100, "campingstoveman"
 wrote:

>Gentlemen,
>
>Fridge is working perfectly, my wife saw the flash as a reflection in the 
>front of the Tumble drier and Fridge when she sat on a stool which cut the 
>cable attached to the caravan electrics. A metal stool I might add, my wife 
>said something about being electrocuted and I muttered something about no 
>sense no feeling :-))
>
>Martin P

Poor Lynne, she has such an understanding hubby..... :-))

Peter
--
Peter & Rita Forbes
Email: diesel@easynet.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel
http://www.stationary-engine.co.uk
http://www.oldengine.co.uk

"Charles Hamilton"wrote in message
Clipped
" I'm afraid that I subscribe to the principle that if You can't afford
> it, don't do it !! Survival of the fittest and all that!! It might be a 
> good thing ,keeping more d**kheads off the roads."
======================================
So anyone running a vehicle on a tight budget is a dickhead ? ,or did you 
leave out the smiley?.
 I limit my hobby spending to what I can afford and think reasonable at the 
time but it is still a hobby.
We all wish we could say "sod the expense" but we have to cut our cloth 
accordingly.
                             Mike.H.

Kim Siddorn formulated the question :
> Goodness me, you are a gloomy lot! As someone who spends almost every weekend 
> from Easter to the end of September in a field somewhere, my experience is 
> that you get moist about three times a year. It's like riding a motorbike to 
> work: on the face of it you are likely to get a soaking quite frequently 
> whereas in actual fact I used to get wet four or five times a year.
>
> Forecasts and predictions are all fine & dandy but it actually has to rain on 
> YOU before it matters.
>
> Don't be put off, go and have some fun Nick, take something unusual and a 
> chair with a fishing umbrella. If you get soggy, you can console yourself 
> that I'll be at the Royal Gunpowder Mills just off the A10 junction all 
> weekend, right in the centre of the predicted path.
>
> Nice on Saturday I understand................
>
> Have a good holiday all.
>
> regards,
>
> Kim Siddorn
>
> "Nick H"  wrote in message 
> news:69nh1uF33fno5U1@mid.individual.net...
>> MatSav wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> You could try the Cuckoo Fair at Laughton, East Sussex (near Lewes). Some 
>>> of your friends from the NHES are showing there.
>>>
>>
>> I do seem to recall that one being mentioned at the last club night. Lewes 
>> is quite a schlep from W.London though - probably further than Lamport. I 
>> think we are going to give the Surrey Steam and Country fair Nr. Epsom a 
>> go.
>>
>> Nick H
>> 

Damn, I just knew I should have used my season ticket to the Gunpowder 
Mills rather than go to Carrington!

Did you have a good time, and more important, will you be back ???

--

Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.


Barry Ruck - Harlow, Essex. UK.

-- 


Reality is what you bump into in the dark. - Raymond E. Feist

Barry Ruck - Harlow, Essex. UK.

Charles Hamilton formulated on Saturday :
> It used to cost me £80 to go to Astle Park when I had the RR Vogue 3.5 SE and 
> a trailer full of engines and junk, (Shudder to think what it would cost now 
> !!!) but it still wouldn't stop me. Regarding the private motoring thing, I'm 
> afraid that I subscribe to the principle that if You can't afford it, don't 
> do it !! Survival of the fittest and all that!! It might be a good thing 
> ,keeping more d**kheads off the roads.

Ok, so I spend six ours on the road ( round trip ), at a cost of £35.00 
in fuel, to pay £15.00 to get my nephew into Carrington. By 11:00 it 
was raining hard, by noon it was belting down.

There were 10 SEs listed, of which a maximum of 6 showed up ( 
fortunately one was a nice Hornsby Akroyd ). The classic car owners 
were racing to leave ( understandably ), and the covers were going over 
everything else. And this was only 12:30 on Sunday.

OK, the weather on Monday was better, but was I going to risk the whole 
lot again ? Too damn right I wasn't - and I'm a punter. God knows what 
the exhibitors thought of it. ( Actually, I do, and I think there will 
be fewer next year ).

I certainly won't be going to Carrington next year. I'll buy my season 
ticket to the Gunpowder Mills, and spend late May Bank Holiday there.

Does this make me one of your 'Dickheads' ?

--

A high I.Q is like a Jeep. You still get stuck, just further from help.

Regards,

Barry Ruck. Harlow, Essex. United Kingdom

-- 


Reality is what you bump into in the dark. - Raymond E. Feist

Barry Ruck - Harlow, Essex. UK.

NO, that doesn't make You a Dickhead at all. In my humble opinion it makes 
You a genuine enthusiast!! I used to do that type of thing almost evey 
weekend but as an exhibitor. The dickheads I refer to are the ones you see 
all the time at petrol stations, usually four of them in an overcooked 
little "Hot Hatch" putting £2 worth of petrol in just to fly around the 
streets trying to impress God knows who!
"Barry Ruck"  wrote in message 
news:6a3499F34meviU1@mid.individual.net...
> Charles Hamilton formulated on Saturday :
>> It used to cost me £80 to go to Astle Park when I had the RR Vogue 3.5 SE 
>> and a trailer full of engines and junk, (Shudder to think what it would 
>> cost now !!!) but it still wouldn't stop me. Regarding the private 
>> motoring thing, I'm afraid that I subscribe to the principle that if You 
>> can't afford it, don't do it !! Survival of the fittest and all that!! It 
>> might be a good thing ,keeping more d**kheads off the roads.
>
> Ok, so I spend six ours on the road ( round trip ), at a cost of £35.00 in 
> fuel, to pay £15.00 to get my nephew into Carrington. By 11:00 it was 
> raining hard, by noon it was belting down.
>
> There were 10 SEs listed, of which a maximum of 6 showed up ( fortunately 
> one was a nice Hornsby Akroyd ). The classic car owners were racing to 
> leave ( understandably ), and the covers were going over everything else. 
> And this was only 12:30 on Sunday.
>
> OK, the weather on Monday was better, but was I going to risk the whole 
> lot again ? Too damn right I wasn't - and I'm a punter. God knows what the 
> exhibitors thought of it. ( Actually, I do, and I think there will be 
> fewer next year ).
>
> I certainly won't be going to Carrington next year. I'll buy my season 
> ticket to the Gunpowder Mills, and spend late May Bank Holiday there.
>
> Does this make me one of your 'Dickheads' ?
>
> --
>
> A high I.Q is like a Jeep. You still get stuck, just further from help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Barry Ruck. Harlow, Essex. United Kingdom
>
> -- 
>
>
> Reality is what you bump into in the dark. - Raymond E. Feist
>
> Barry Ruck - Harlow, Essex. UK.
>
>

Gunpowder Mills. Saxon fought Viking to good effect in the sunshine on 
Saturday and very nice it was too. On Sunday it rained overnight and in the 
morning but cleared up at lunchtime to leave a afternoon and evening of dry 
cloud. At midnight it rained, & was still doing it when we wrapped early at 
noon & made our respective ways home along various motorways mostly obscured 
by spray.

The Wessex Stationary Engine Club has a little crank up on Saturday at 
Bitton Station - I see rain is forecast which neither surprises me nor will 
it stop me going as home is ten miles away!

regards,

Kim Siddorn

On May 27, 10:15 pm, "Charles Hamilton" 
wrote:
> NO, that doesn't make You a Dickhead at all. In my humble opinion it makes> You a genuine enthusiast!! I used to do that type of thing almost evey
> weekend but as an exhibitor. The dickheads I refer to are the ones you see> all the time at petrol stations, usually four of them in an overcooked
> little "Hot Hatch" putting £2 worth of petrol in just to fly around the
> streets trying to impress God knows who!"Barry Ruck"  wrote in message

Well as one who used to do a similar thing, I would say each unto his
own.
I well remember scraping together enough money to by a few gallons of
petrol to go out to Wales for a good blast on a Saturday night. Those
who could afford it called it rallying. To us it was an exercise in
getting as much fun per £ as possible.

I look now at the modified hot hatch brigade and hope they have as
much fun as I did at their age. Look beyond what they have done and
you will frequently see a labour of love. I may not agree with their
style or the end result, but I applaud their effort.

Dickheads? No way.

John

John,

Unfortunately I disagree with your comments, when you and I had fun with our 
cars it was generally done with the knowledge that after the local bobby has 
bent our ears it was then our fathers turn, both who we respected, today's 
youth cant spell respect let alone understand what it means. I agree you can 
see some nice hot hatches its just a shame that its owner does not have the 
knowledge, ability and skill to drive it and he certainly does not have the 
respect for anybody else on the road. The joke used to be "my mothers never 
had an accident but has seen plenty in her rear view mirror" that now 
applies to the youth of today.

Martin P
"John"  wrote in message 
news:cc5661b4-ceea-4f45-b468-029b58426e6e@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On May 27, 10:15 pm, "Charles Hamilton" 
wrote:
> NO, that doesn't make You a Dickhead at all. In my humble opinion it makes
> You a genuine enthusiast!! I used to do that type of thing almost evey
> weekend but as an exhibitor. The dickheads I refer to are the ones you see
> all the time at petrol stations, usually four of them in an overcooked
> little "Hot Hatch" putting £2 worth of petrol in just to fly around the
> streets trying to impress God knows who!"Barry Ruck" 
>  wrote in message

Well as one who used to do a similar thing, I would say each unto his
own.
I well remember scraping together enough money to by a few gallons of
petrol to go out to Wales for a good blast on a Saturday night. Those
who could afford it called it rallying. To us it was an exercise in
getting as much fun per £ as possible.

I look now at the modified hot hatch brigade and hope they have as
much fun as I did at their age. Look beyond what they have done and
you will frequently see a labour of love. I may not agree with their
style or the end result, but I applaud their effort.

Dickheads? No way.

John

"campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
news:gbqdnYNq154Wg97VnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> John,
>
> Unfortunately I disagree with your comments, when you and I had fun with 
> our cars it was generally done with the knowledge that after the local 
> bobby has bent our ears it was then our fathers turn, both who we 
> respected, today's youth cant spell respect let alone understand what it 
> means. I agree you can see some nice hot hatches its just a shame that its 
> owner does not have the knowledge, ability and skill to drive it and he 
> certainly does not have the respect for anybody else on the road. The joke 
> used to be "my mothers never had an accident but has seen plenty in her 
> rear view mirror" that now applies to the youth of today.
>
> Martin P
> "John"  wrote in message 
> news:cc5661b4-ceea-4f45-b468-029b58426e6e@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On May 27, 10:15 pm, "Charles Hamilton" 
> wrote:
>> NO, that doesn't make You a Dickhead at all. In my humble opinion it 
>> makes
>> You a genuine enthusiast!! I used to do that type of thing almost evey
>> weekend but as an exhibitor. The dickheads I refer to are the ones you 
>> see
>> all the time at petrol stations, usually four of them in an overcooked
>> little "Hot Hatch" putting £2 worth of petrol in just to fly around the
>> streets trying to impress God knows who!"Barry Ruck" 
>>  wrote in message
>
> Well as one who used to do a similar thing, I would say each unto his
> own.
> I well remember scraping together enough money to by a few gallons of
> petrol to go out to Wales for a good blast on a Saturday night. Those
> who could afford it called it rallying. To us it was an exercise in
> getting as much fun per £ as possible.
>
> I look now at the modified hot hatch brigade and hope they have as
> much fun as I did at their age. Look beyond what they have done and
> you will frequently see a labour of love. I may not agree with their
> style or the end result, but I applaud their effort.
>
> Dickheads? No way.

You need to have a look at this forum: http://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/ It's 
an absolute hoot at times. Sometimes the 'barry boys' actually log on and 
post replies - here's an extract:

ive seen some of the cars u c*nts drive, so how u fuckers can slag anyones 
car is a joke!!! u c*nts probably still live with your fuckin mothers anyway 
by the looks of your cars!!! and from some of your sig pics your either 
collage boys or spotty little c*nts!!! (yes mummy, ill be down for tea in a 
minute!!!)FUCKIN WANKERS!!! GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!! SAD C*NTS!!!!

Anyway, it's a brilliant way to kill 10 minutes when it's raining outside!

Julian.

Julian wrote: (snip)

> 
> You need to have a look at this forum: http://www.barryboys.co.uk/mx/ It's 
> an absolute hoot at times. Sometimes the 'barry boys' actually log on and 
> post replies - here's an extract:
> 

The language is enough to make a sailor blanch, but I have to admit some 
of the efforts are pretty amusing. I loved the 6R4 look(nothing)alike - 
there must be wheels hiding in those massive arches somewhere! Trouble 
is, as someone who quite fancies a Banham Sprint (Frogeye Sprite 
lookalike on Mini platform), who am I to talk?

Nick H

On Jun 1, 11:11 pm, "campingstoveman" 
wrote:
> John,
>
> Unfortunately I disagree with your comments, when you and I had fun with our
> cars it was generally done with the knowledge that after the local bobby has
> bent our ears it was then our fathers turn, both who we respected, today's> youth cant spell respect let alone understand what it means. I agree you can
> see some nice hot hatches its just a shame that its owner does not have the
> knowledge, ability and skill to drive it and he certainly does not have the
> respect for anybody else on the road. The joke used to be "my mothers never
> had an accident but has seen plenty in her rear view mirror" that now
> applies to the youth of today.
>
> Martin P

I used to hear people say similar things about me when I was young.
I will admit that I've always tried to restrict my driving fun to
deserted roads but there've been the odd moment in carparks etc.
We both started driving with little knowledge, ability and skill and
learned largely by our mistakes. Fortunately that happened to me
without anyone being hurt although my poor car got progresively
shorter over the years.
As for respect, that has to be earned as they say. I had respect for
those coppers that were allowed to exercise their judgement. It's
modern rules that have removed so much of that discretion. As for my
father, he just shook his head sadly every time I went out on a rally
and hoped there wasn't TOO much damage to repair afterwards.
Encourage the young to do their own thing. Support them with advice
and help them discover things for themselves as we did. Point out the
dangers of stupidity, especially where others are concerned but don't
just dismis them as dickheads. They will surely respond with a similar
derogation and any respect is lost as is the oportunity to guide them.
It's an easy pit to fall into, it's called the generation gap.

John

John,

Whilst again I don't disagree with you thoughts about respect I still think 
you appear to have a blinkered view of life, my daughter is in her mid 
twenties, she does not swear, she respects her parent, her elders, she 
respects the law and she knows right from wrong. She is no angel and has her 
moments but based around others of her age she is a positive saint and so 
will your two lads because I know enough about you to see how they are 
brought up. A lot of parents today don't have a clue what little Johnny is 
doing when they cant see them and they don't care, because they don't care 
the state has to care hence the bloody stupid rules that are now brought out 
to curb the youngsters. I have no problem spending time showing the youth 
how to do things but what I wont do is be swore at and disrespected because 
I require a bit of discipline. My father died when he was seventy two, on 
that day had he said jump I would have still asked him how high because I 
respected him for who he was, you don't see that today.

Martin P
"John"  wrote in message 
news:d1b53cf4-ee7f-4186-9a66-75f5a7bb0f38@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 1, 11:11 pm, "campingstoveman" 
wrote:
> John,
>
> Unfortunately I disagree with your comments, when you and I had fun with 
> our
> cars it was generally done with the knowledge that after the local bobby 
> has
> bent our ears it was then our fathers turn, both who we respected, today's
> youth cant spell respect let alone understand what it means. I agree you 
> can
> see some nice hot hatches its just a shame that its owner does not have 
> the
> knowledge, ability and skill to drive it and he certainly does not have 
> the
> respect for anybody else on the road. The joke used to be "my mothers 
> never
> had an accident but has seen plenty in her rear view mirror" that now
> applies to the youth of today.
>
> Martin P

I used to hear people say similar things about me when I was young.
I will admit that I've always tried to restrict my driving fun to
deserted roads but there've been the odd moment in carparks etc.
We both started driving with little knowledge, ability and skill and
learned largely by our mistakes. Fortunately that happened to me
without anyone being hurt although my poor car got progresively
shorter over the years.
As for respect, that has to be earned as they say. I had respect for
those coppers that were allowed to exercise their judgement. It's
modern rules that have removed so much of that discretion. As for my
father, he just shook his head sadly every time I went out on a rally
and hoped there wasn't TOO much damage to repair afterwards.
Encourage the young to do their own thing. Support them with advice
and help them discover things for themselves as we did. Point out the
dangers of stupidity, especially where others are concerned but don't
just dismis them as dickheads. They will surely respond with a similar
derogation and any respect is lost as is the oportunity to guide them.
It's an easy pit to fall into, it's called the generation gap.

John

Dito

Rob

"campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
news:YqqdnYF_POoorNnVRVnyhQA@bt.com...
> John,
>
> Whilst again I don't disagree with you thoughts about respect I still 
> think you appear to have a blinkered view of life, my daughter is in her 
> mid twenties, she does not swear, she respects her parent, her elders, she 
> respects the law and she knows right from wrong. She is no angel and has 
> her moments but based around others of her age she is a positive saint and 
> so will your two lads because I know enough about you to see how they are 
> brought up. A lot of parents today don't have a clue what little Johnny is 
> doing when they cant see them and they don't care, because they don't care 
> the state has to care hence the bloody stupid rules that are now brought 
> out to curb the youngsters. I have no problem spending time showing the 
> youth how to do things but what I wont do is be swore at and disrespected 
> because I require a bit of discipline. My father died when he was seventy 
> two, on that day had he said jump I would have still asked him how high 
> because I respected him for who he was, you don't see that today.
>
> Martin P
> "John"  wrote in message 
> news:d1b53cf4-ee7f-4186-9a66-75f5a7bb0f38@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 1, 11:11 pm, "campingstoveman" 
> wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> Unfortunately I disagree with your comments, when you and I had fun with 
>> our
>> cars it was generally done with the knowledge that after the local bobby 
>> has
>> bent our ears it was then our fathers turn, both who we respected, 
>> today's
>> youth cant spell respect let alone understand what it means. I agree you 
>> can
>> see some nice hot hatches its just a shame that its owner does not have 
>> the
>> knowledge, ability and skill to drive it and he certainly does not have 
>> the
>> respect for anybody else on the road. The joke used to be "my mothers 
>> never
>> had an accident but has seen plenty in her rear view mirror" that now
>> applies to the youth of today.
>>
>> Martin P
>
> I used to hear people say similar things about me when I was young.
> I will admit that I've always tried to restrict my driving fun to
> deserted roads but there've been the odd moment in carparks etc.
> We both started driving with little knowledge, ability and skill and
> learned largely by our mistakes. Fortunately that happened to me
> without anyone being hurt although my poor car got progresively
> shorter over the years.
> As for respect, that has to be earned as they say. I had respect for
> those coppers that were allowed to exercise their judgement. It's
> modern rules that have removed so much of that discretion. As for my
> father, he just shook his head sadly every time I went out on a rally
> and hoped there wasn't TOO much damage to repair afterwards.
> Encourage the young to do their own thing. Support them with advice
> and help them discover things for themselves as we did. Point out the
> dangers of stupidity, especially where others are concerned but don't
> just dismis them as dickheads. They will surely respond with a similar
> derogation and any respect is lost as is the oportunity to guide them.
> It's an easy pit to fall into, it's called the generation gap.
>
> John
>

On Jun 2, 6:45 pm, "campingstoveman" 
wrote:
> John,
>
> Whilst again I don't disagree with you thoughts about respect I still think
> you appear to have a blinkered view of life, my daughter is in her mid
> twenties, she does not swear, she respects her parent, her elders, she
> respects the law and she knows right from wrong. She is no angel and has her
> moments but based around others of her age she is a positive saint and so
> will your two lads because I know enough about you to see how they are
> brought up. A lot of parents today don't have a clue what little Johnny is> doing when they cant see them and they don't care, because they don't care> the state has to care hence the bloody stupid rules that are now brought out
> to curb the youngsters. I have no problem spending time showing the youth
> how to do things but what I wont do is be swore at and disrespected because
> I require a bit of discipline. My father died when he was seventy two, on
> that day had he said jump I would have still asked him how high because I
> respected him for who he was, you don't see that today.
>
> Martin P

I think we're probably saying much the same Martin but from different
ends. I too don't like being sworn at and treated disrespectfully and
neither do youngsters. We wouldn't like being called dickheads so lets
not do it to another group just because they like things we don't.
That should work both ways. Genuinely antisocial behaviour should
never be tolerated regardless of the generation, but we must be
careful with our definition of what is unacceptable.

The original comment that raised my hackles was about putting a few
£’s of petrol in a car and just driving it. I did just that in my
teens and still do so. You know the car I drive, it has a high grin
factor and I love driving it as it was meant to be driven! Other
members of this group chose to put the same petrol in a stationary
engine and watch it chug away. Each is as valid (or as daft) as the
other but each gives the purchaser pleasure. Let’s celebrate that.

John

John,

Just to finish, you use the word drive and that's what you do because you 
know what your doing. Youngster today don't drive they just point and if you 
get in the way then tough is how they see it. I average at least 150 miles a 
day with my job. I don't get cut up by the likes of you, I don't get forced 
into an emergency stop because of your overtaking manoeuvre coming the other 
way,  I don't get swore at by you for driving at road legal speeds. I do get 
it from youngsters in their all noise and no go cars. The difference is you 
know when to stop they don't, I wouldn't use Dickhead but in the absence of 
a polite word it will have to do.

Martin P

"John"  wrote in message 
news:4d07bc75-a628-4127-ba76-0a462169079a@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 2, 6:45 pm, "campingstoveman" 
wrote:
> John,
>
> Whilst again I don't disagree with you thoughts about respect I still 
> think
> you appear to have a blinkered view of life, my daughter is in her mid
> twenties, she does not swear, she respects her parent, her elders, she
> respects the law and she knows right from wrong. She is no angel and has 
> her
> moments but based around others of her age she is a positive saint and so
> will your two lads because I know enough about you to see how they are
> brought up. A lot of parents today don't have a clue what little Johnny is
> doing when they cant see them and they don't care, because they don't care
> the state has to care hence the bloody stupid rules that are now brought 
> out
> to curb the youngsters. I have no problem spending time showing the youth
> how to do things but what I wont do is be swore at and disrespected 
> because
> I require a bit of discipline. My father died when he was seventy two, on
> that day had he said jump I would have still asked him how high because I
> respected him for who he was, you don't see that today.
>
> Martin P

I think we're probably saying much the same Martin but from different
ends. I too don't like being sworn at and treated disrespectfully and
neither do youngsters. We wouldn't like being called dickheads so lets
not do it to another group just because they like things we don't.
That should work both ways. Genuinely antisocial behaviour should
never be tolerated regardless of the generation, but we must be
careful with our definition of what is unacceptable.

The original comment that raised my hackles was about putting a few
£’s of petrol in a car and just driving it. I did just that in my
teens and still do so. You know the car I drive, it has a high grin
factor and I love driving it as it was meant to be driven! Other
members of this group chose to put the same petrol in a stationary
engine and watch it chug away. Each is as valid (or as daft) as the
other but each gives the purchaser pleasure. Let’s celebrate that.

John

"campingstoveman"  wrote in message 
news:bvednXYlBMw__9nVnZ2dnUVZ8sijnZ2d@bt.com...
> John,
>
> Just to finish, you use the word drive and that's what you do because you 
> know what your doing. Youngster today don't drive they just point and if 
> you get in the way then tough is how they see it. I average at least 150 
> miles a day with my job. I don't get cut up by the likes of you, I don't 
> get forced into an emergency stop because of your overtaking manoeuvre 
> coming the other way,  I don't get swore at by you for driving at road 
> legal speeds. I do get it from youngsters in their all noise and no go 
> cars. The difference is you know when to stop they don't, I wouldn't use 
> Dickhead but in the absence of a polite word it will have to do.
>
> Martin P

Hence the reason their insurance is £2000-3000 a year and mine is about 
£200-300. I don't rate myself as the world's best or safest driver so I 
shudder to think what the yuffs' standards and abilities must be to have ten 
times more claims on average!

Julian.