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date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:18:40 +0000,    group: uk.rec.drugs.cannabis        back       
Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.

Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now
know should be 14 (from DrugScope).


Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice By Brian Brady
and Jonathan Owen
Published: 20 January 2008

An angry row has blown up over proposals to upgrade cannabis to a class B
drug, with leading experts from the Advisory Council on the Misuse of
Drugs (ACMD) accusing the Government of a "deliberate leak" of its plans.

Ignoring a directive not to speak to journalists about reports that the
Government has already made its mind up, ACMD member Professor Les
Iversen, a pharmacologist at Oxford University, said: "I was not pleased
to read what appears to be a deliberate leak about the government's
alleged intention to reclassify, regardless of advice received.

"If ACMD were to recommend no change and this were to happen, I believe it
would be the first time that any Home Secretary acted against the
recommendations offered and it would call into question the whole function
and future of this group."

The outburst followed claims that Gordon Brown and the Home Secretary,
Jacqui Smith, were determined to reverse the decision to downgrade the
drug to class C when the ACMD completes its report in the next few months.
Although its recommendations are not yet known, ministers are already
making clear that Ms Smith is prepared to overrule the expert body.

But one former member of the influential council last night claimed the
ACMD was totally opposed to the Government's stance. "There is no way that
the ACMD would support any reclassification of cannabis, unless there were
some political shenanigans going on," said the Reverend Martin
Blakeborough.

Rev Blakeborough, who runs the Kaleidoscope drug abuse charity, said:
"There is no significantly new evidence to suggest that cannabis is any
more harmful than in the last review we did 18 months ago."

"The only reason that the ACMD is being forced to discuss this matter is
because every new Home Secretary seems to want to show how tough they
are," he added.

Professor David Nutt, chair of the ACMD's technical committee, which will
start taking evidence on classification at a public meeting next month,
said: "In the end, as with all laws, it's a political decision – the
ACMD only advises."

But David Raynes, of the National Drug Prevention Alliance, criticised the
ACMD's stance and said that it was dominated by people who advocate "harm
reduction" and whose sympathies lie with pro-legalisation campaigners: "I
actually think that the harm reduction/liberalisation/legalisation lobby
is too strong in there (and in the Home Office). Some ACMD members are
genuine but misguided, some are just the great and good with little
understanding of the legalisation game that is being played by others."

The controversy comes days after new figures revealed that almost 500
people are being treated by the NHS every week for cannabis-related mental
health problems. Since the Government downgraded it from a class B to a
class C drug in 2004, the number of adults being treated for its effects
has risen from 11,057 in 2004-05 to 16,685 in 2006-07. Also, the number of
children needing medical attention because of cannabis use has increased
to more than 9,200 – up from 8,014 in 2005-06.

Fears over the hidden health risks of the drug, particularly on the mental
health of young people, have prompted the calls for a review of cannabis.
More than 2.5 million 16-24 year-olds have used the drug. The ACMD is
expected to make its own recommendations known in April.

In a statement, a Home Office spokesman reiterated that the ACMD's role is
confined to providing "advice on classification".


http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article3353760.ece

-- 
Dr John Watson
Baker Street
date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:18:40 +0000   author:   Dr John Watson

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
"Dr John Watson"  wrote in message 
news:5vjdcgF1mhknkU1@mid.individual.net...
>A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.
>
> Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now
> know should be 14 (from DrugScope).

What research are both these figures based on?
date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:29 GMT   author:   mentalguy2004

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
Noticed at Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:29 +0000: mentalguy2004 informed us:


> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in message
> news:5vjdcgF1mhknkU1@mid.individual.net...
>>A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.
>>
>> Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now
>> know should be 14 (from DrugScope).
> 
> What research are both these figures based on?

Here is the DrugScope statement:


DrugScope response to Daily Telegraph front-page cannabis story, Friday 11
January 12 January 2008
On Friday 11 January the Daily Telegraph published a front-page news
article under the headline: Abuse of cannabis puts 500 a week in hospital.
You can read the full story by following the link at the end of this
article.

The Daily Telegraph piece referred to National Drug Treatment Monitoring
System (NDTMS) figures cited by Minister of State for Public Health, Dawn
Primarolo, in a response to a Parliamentary Question about the numbers of
people treated for cannabis.

DrugScope sent a letter on Friday 11 January to the Daily Telegraph in
response to this story; as yet they have declined to publish it. Our
response is reproduced below.

Dear Sir,

The front-page headline on Friday’s Daily Telegraph (Abuse of cannabis
puts 500 a week in hospital, 11/01/08) misrepresents figures given by Dawn
Primarolo, Minister of State for Public Health, in her response to a
Parliamentary Question this week.

We have ascertained that the figures supplied by the Minister do not
relate to actual hospital admissions; the source of the figures, the
National Drug Treatment Monitoring System (NDTMS) does not collect data on
hospital admissions and this was evident in the Minister’s response.

The figures instead relate to those who have come forward to
community-based drug treatment services seeking some form of help, advice
or treatment relating to their use of cannabis. DrugScope understands that
even if ‘treatment’ consists of no more than an informal chat with a
drug worker, this would still have been recorded in the statistics quoted
by the Minister.

Some of those clients may of course have gone on to receive treatment in
hospital for conditions relating to their use of cannabis. However,
figures provided to DrugScope by the Department of Health reveal that
rather than 500 hospital admissions a week, the figure was nearer 14 per
week (in 2006/07) for individuals with a primary diagnosis of mental
health problems due to the use of cannabis. This is 14 admissions too
many, but still way below the figure quoted by your correspondent.

In addition, the number of hospital admissions in 2006/07 with this
diagnosis (750) was lower than in 2005/06 (946) - and it should be noted
that the same individual could have been admitted to hospital more than
once in any one year.

The public do need to be aware of the potential risks related to cannabis;
it is not a harmless drug. But public information about the drug must be
based on sound data and where that data exists, the media has a
responsibility to be scrupulous in its presentation.

Yours,

Martin Barnes

Chief executive,
DrugScope SE1


http://www.drugscope.org.uk/newsandevents/currentnewspages/Telegraph-cannabis-stats-response.htm


-- 
Dr John Watson
Baker Street
date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:35:47 +0000   author:   Dr John Watson

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
"Dr John Watson"  wrote in message 
news:5vjecjF1md5hbU1@mid.individual.net...
> Noticed at Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:29 +0000: mentalguy2004 informed us:
>
>
>> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in message
>> news:5vjdcgF1mhknkU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.
>>>
>>> Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now
>>> know should be 14 (from DrugScope).
>>
>> What research are both these figures based on?
>
> Here is the DrugScope statement:
>
>
> DrugScope response to Daily Telegraph front-page cannabis story, Friday 11
> January 12 January 2008
> On Friday 11 January the Daily Telegraph published a front-page news
> article under the headline: Abuse of cannabis puts 500 a week in hospital.
> You can read the full story by following the link at the end of this
> article.
>
> The Daily Telegraph piece referred to National Drug Treatment Monitoring
> System (NDTMS) figures cited by Minister of State for Public Health, Dawn
> Primarolo, in a response to a Parliamentary Question about the numbers of
> people treated for cannabis.
>
> DrugScope sent a letter on Friday 11 January to the Daily Telegraph in
> response to this story; as yet they have declined to publish it. Our
> response is reproduced below.
>
> Dear Sir,
>
> The front-page headline on Friday’s Daily Telegraph (Abuse of cannabis
> puts 500 a week in hospital, 11/01/08) misrepresents figures given by Dawn
> Primarolo, Minister of State for Public Health, in her response to a
> Parliamentary Question this week.
>
> We have ascertained that the figures supplied by the Minister do not
> relate to actual hospital admissions; the source of the figures, the
> National Drug Treatment Monitoring System (NDTMS) does not collect data on
> hospital admissions and this was evident in the Minister’s response.
>
> The figures instead relate to those who have come forward to
> community-based drug treatment services seeking some form of help, advice
> or treatment relating to their use of cannabis. DrugScope understands that
> even if ‘treatment’ consists of no more than an informal chat with a
> drug worker, this would still have been recorded in the statistics quoted
> by the Minister.
>
> Some of those clients may of course have gone on to receive treatment in
> hospital for conditions relating to their use of cannabis. However,
> figures provided to DrugScope by the Department of Health reveal that
> rather than 500 hospital admissions a week, the figure was nearer 14 per
> week (in 2006/07) for individuals with a primary diagnosis of mental
> health problems due to the use of cannabis. This is 14 admissions too
> many, but still way below the figure quoted by your correspondent.
>
> In addition, the number of hospital admissions in 2006/07 with this
> diagnosis (750) was lower than in 2005/06 (946) - and it should be noted
> that the same individual could have been admitted to hospital more than
> once in any one year.
>
> The public do need to be aware of the potential risks related to cannabis;
> it is not a harmless drug. But public information about the drug must be
> based on sound data and where that data exists, the media has a
> responsibility to be scrupulous in its presentation.
>
> Yours,
>
> Martin Barnes
>
> Chief executive,
> DrugScope SE1
>
>
> http://www.drugscope.org.uk/newsandevents/currentnewspages/Telegraph-cannabis-stats-response.htm


Yet "Hospital Episode Statistics" tend to support the Government figures, 
based on actual diagnoses by the hospital clinician concerned:

http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/ContentServer?siteID=1937&categoryID=951
date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:54:10 GMT   author:   mentalguy2004

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
The government...

I hope those prim, butter would not melt in their mouths, cold hearted 
swine, sit down to a bottle of anti freeze laced wine, tonight....
date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:01:02 GMT   author:   FriarTuck

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
On Jan 21, 5:54 am, "mentalguy2004"  wrote:
> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in messagenews:5vjecjF1md5hbU1@mid.individual.net...
> > Noticed at Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:29 +0000: mentalguy2004 informed us:
> >> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in message
> >>news:5vjdcgF1mhknkU1@mid.individual.net...

> >>>A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.
>
> >>> Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now
> >>> know should be 14 (from DrugScope).
>
> >> What research are both these figures based on?
>
> > Here is the DrugScope statement:
> [...]
> > figures provided to DrugScope by the Department of Health reveal that
> > rather than 500 hospital admissions a week, the figure was nearer 14 per
> > week (in 2006/07) for individuals with a primary diagnosis of mental
> > health problems due to the use of cannabis. This is 14 admissions too
> > many, but still way below the figure quoted by your correspondent.
>
> Yet "Hospital Episode Statistics" tend to support the Government figures,
> based on actual diagnoses by the hospital clinician concerned:
>
> http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/ContentServer?siteID=1937&ca...

There's something funny about that summary table (which doesn't state
a time range). The raw data at
http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/AttachmentRetriever?site_id=1937&file_name=d:\efmfiles\1937\Accessing\DataTables\Diagnosis\3%20character\Diagnosis3_0607.xls&short_name=Diagnosis3_0607.xls&u_id=7926
support the DrugScope statement.
date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:25:11 -0800 (PST)   author:   M_P

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
On Jan 21, 5:54 am, "mentalguy2004"  wrote:
> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in messagenews:5vjecjF1md5hbU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > Noticed at Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:29 +0000: mentalguy2004 informed us:
>
> >> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in message
> >>news:5vjdcgF1mhknkU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>>A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.
>
> >>> Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now
> >>> know should be 14 (from DrugScope).
>
> >> What research are both these figures based on?
>
> > Here is the DrugScope statement:
>
> > DrugScope response to Daily Telegraph front-page cannabis story, Friday 11
> > January 12 January 2008
> > On Friday 11 January the Daily Telegraph published a front-page news
> > article under the headline: Abuse of cannabis puts 500 a week in hospital.
> > You can read the full story by following the link at the end of this
> > article.
>
> > The Daily Telegraph piece referred to National Drug Treatment Monitoring
> > System (NDTMS) figures cited by Minister of State for Public Health, Dawn
> > Primarolo, in a response to a Parliamentary Question about the numbers of
> > people treated for cannabis.
>
> > DrugScope sent a letter on Friday 11 January to the Daily Telegraph in
> > response to this story; as yet they have declined to publish it. Our
> > response is reproduced below.
>
> > Dear Sir,
>
> > The front-page headline on Friday's Daily Telegraph (Abuse of cannabis
> > puts 500 a week in hospital, 11/01/08) misrepresents figures given by Dawn
> > Primarolo, Minister of State for Public Health, in her response to a
> > Parliamentary Question this week.
>
> > We have ascertained that the figures supplied by the Minister do not
> > relate to actual hospital admissions; the source of the figures, the
> > National Drug Treatment Monitoring System (NDTMS) does not collect data on
> > hospital admissions and this was evident in the Minister's response.
>
> > The figures instead relate to those who have come forward to
> > community-based drug treatment services seeking some form of help, advice
> > or treatment relating to their use of cannabis. DrugScope understands that
> > even if 'treatment' consists of no more than an informal chat with a
> > drug worker, this would still have been recorded in the statistics quoted
> > by the Minister.
>
> > Some of those clients may of course have gone on to receive treatment in
> > hospital for conditions relating to their use of cannabis. However,
> > figures provided to DrugScope by the Department of Health reveal that
> > rather than 500 hospital admissions a week, the figure was nearer 14 per
> > week (in 2006/07) for individuals with a primary diagnosis of mental
> > health problems due to the use of cannabis. This is 14 admissions too
> > many, but still way below the figure quoted by your correspondent.
>
> > In addition, the number of hospital admissions in 2006/07 with this
> > diagnosis (750) was lower than in 2005/06 (946) - and it should be noted
> > that the same individual could have been admitted to hospital more than
> > once in any one year.
>
> > The public do need to be aware of the potential risks related to cannabis;
> > it is not a harmless drug. But public information about the drug must be
> > based on sound data and where that data exists, the media has a
> > responsibility to be scrupulous in its presentation.
>
> > Yours,
>
> > Martin Barnes
>
> > Chief executive,
> > DrugScope SE1
>
> >http://www.drugscope.org.uk/newsandevents/currentnewspages/Telegraph-...
>
> Yet "Hospital Episode Statistics" tend to support the Government figures,
> based on actual diagnoses by the hospital clinician concerned:
>
> http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/ContentServer?siteID=1937&categoryID=951

There's something fishy about that summary table (which states no date
range); the raw data supports the lower numbers:
http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/AttachmentRetriever?site_id=1937&file_name=d:\efmfiles\1937\Accessing\DataTables\Diagnosis\3%20character\Diagnosis3_0607.xls&short_name=Diagnosis3_0607.xls&u_id=7926
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:30:41 -0800 (PST)   author:   M_P

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
On 24 jan, 17:30, M_P  wrote:
> On Jan 21, 5:54 am, "mentalguy2004"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Dr John Watson"  wrote in messagenews:5vjecjF1md5hbU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > Noticed at Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:29 퍍: mentalguy2004 informed us:> > >> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in message
> > >>news:5vjdcgF1mhknkU1@mid.individual.net...
> > >>>A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.
>
> > >>> Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now> > >>> know should be 14 (from DrugScope).
>
> > >> What research are both these figures based on?
>
> > > Here is the DrugScope statement:
>
> > > DrugScope response to Daily Telegraph front-page cannabis story, Friday 11
> > > January 12 January 2008
> > > On Friday 11 January the Daily Telegraph published a front-page news
> > > article under the headline: Abuse of cannabis puts 500 a week in hospital.
> > > You can read the full story by following the link at the end of this
> > > article.
>
> > > The Daily Telegraph piece referred to National Drug Treatment Monitoring
> > > System (NDTMS) figures cited by Minister of State for Public Health, Dawn
> > > Primarolo, in a response to a Parliamentary Question about the numbers of
> > > people treated for cannabis.
>
> > > DrugScope sent a letter on Friday 11 January to the Daily Telegraph in> > > response to this story; as yet they have declined to publish it. Our
> > > response is reproduced below.
>
> > > Dear Sir,
>
> > > The front-page headline on Friday's Daily Telegraph (Abuse of cannabis> > > puts 500 a week in hospital, 11/01/08) misrepresents figures given by Dawn
> > > Primarolo, Minister of State for Public Health, in her response to a
> > > Parliamentary Question this week.
>
> > > We have ascertained that the figures supplied by the Minister do not
> > > relate to actual hospital admissions; the source of the figures, the
> > > National Drug Treatment Monitoring System (NDTMS) does not collect data on
> > > hospital admissions and this was evident in the Minister's response.
>
> > > The figures instead relate to those who have come forward to
> > > community-based drug treatment services seeking some form of help, advice
> > > or treatment relating to their use of cannabis. DrugScope understands that
> > > even if 'treatment' consists of no more than an informal chat with a
> > > drug worker, this would still have been recorded in the statistics quoted
> > > by the Minister.
>
> > > Some of those clients may of course have gone on to receive treatment in
> > > hospital for conditions relating to their use of cannabis. However,
> > > figures provided to DrugScope by the Department of Health reveal that
> > > rather than 500 hospital admissions a week, the figure was nearer 14 per
> > > week (in 2006/07) for individuals with a primary diagnosis of mental
> > > health problems due to the use of cannabis. This is 14 admissions too
> > > many, but still way below the figure quoted by your correspondent.
>
> > > In addition, the number of hospital admissions in 2006/07 with this
> > > diagnosis (750) was lower than in 2005/06 (946) - and it should be noted
> > > that the same individual could have been admitted to hospital more than
> > > once in any one year.
>
> > > The public do need to be aware of the potential risks related to cannabis;
> > > it is not a harmless drug. But public information about the drug must be
> > > based on sound data and where that data exists, the media has a
> > > responsibility to be scrupulous in its presentation.
>
> > > Yours,
>
> > > Martin Barnes
>
> > > Chief executive,
> > > DrugScope SE1
>
> > >http://www.drugscope.org.uk/newsandevents/currentnewspages/Telegraph-..> > Yet "Hospital Episode Statistics" tend to support the Government figures> > based on actual diagnoses by the hospital clinician concerned:
>
> >http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/ContentServer?siteID=1937&ca..> There's something fishy about that summary table (which states no date
> range); the raw data supports the lower numbers:http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/AttachmentRetriever?site_id=...efmfiles\1937\Accessing\DataTables\Diagnosis\3%20character\Diagnosis3_0607.­xls&short_name=Diagnosis3_0607.xls&u_id=7926- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

Can anyone view this link? Please try to use tinyurl for such long
links.
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:19:22 -0800 (PST)   author:   sobriquet

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
The cannabis makes you mental scare is the government's response to
the boom in home growing.
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:30:01 -0800 (PST)   author:   Mr Smith

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
On Jan 24, 11:19 am, sobriquet  wrote:
> On 24 jan, 17:30, M_P  wrote:
> > On Jan 21, 5:54 am, "mentalguy2004"  wrote:
> > > "Dr John Watson"  wrote in messagenews:5vjecjF1md5hbU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > > Noticed at Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:29 퍍: mentalguy2004 informed us:
> > > >> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in message
> > > >>news:5vjdcgF1mhknkU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > >>>A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.
>
> > > >>> Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now
> > > >>> know should be 14 (from DrugScope).
>
> > > >> What research are both these figures based on?
>
> > > > Here is the DrugScope statement:
>
> > > > DrugScope response to Daily Telegraph front-page cannabis story, Friday 11
> > > > January 12 January 2008
> > > > On Friday 11 January the Daily Telegraph published a front-page news> > > > article under the headline: Abuse of cannabis puts 500 a week in hospital.
> > > > You can read the full story by following the link at the end of this> > > > article.
>
> > > > The Daily Telegraph piece referred to National Drug Treatment Monitoring
> > > > System (NDTMS) figures cited by Minister of State for Public Health, Dawn
> > > > Primarolo, in a response to a Parliamentary Question about the numbers of
> > > > people treated for cannabis.
>
> > > > DrugScope sent a letter on Friday 11 January to the Daily Telegraph in
> > > > response to this story; as yet they have declined to publish it. Our> > > > response is reproduced below.
>
> > > > Dear Sir,
>
> > > > The front-page headline on Friday's Daily Telegraph (Abuse of cannabis
> > > > puts 500 a week in hospital, 11/01/08) misrepresents figures given by Dawn
> > > > Primarolo, Minister of State for Public Health, in her response to a> > > > Parliamentary Question this week.
>
> > > > We have ascertained that the figures supplied by the Minister do not> > > > relate to actual hospital admissions; the source of the figures, the> > > > National Drug Treatment Monitoring System (NDTMS) does not collect data on
> > > > hospital admissions and this was evident in the Minister's response.> > > > The figures instead relate to those who have come forward to
> > > > community-based drug treatment services seeking some form of help, advice
> > > > or treatment relating to their use of cannabis. DrugScope understands that
> > > > even if 'treatment' consists of no more than an informal chat with a> > > > drug worker, this would still have been recorded in the statistics quoted
> > > > by the Minister.
>
> > > > Some of those clients may of course have gone on to receive treatment in
> > > > hospital for conditions relating to their use of cannabis. However,
> > > > figures provided to DrugScope by the Department of Health reveal that
> > > > rather than 500 hospital admissions a week, the figure was nearer 14 per
> > > > week (in 2006/07) for individuals with a primary diagnosis of mental> > > > health problems due to the use of cannabis. This is 14 admissions too
> > > > many, but still way below the figure quoted by your correspondent.
>
> > > > In addition, the number of hospital admissions in 2006/07 with this
> > > > diagnosis (750) was lower than in 2005/06 (946) - and it should be noted
> > > > that the same individual could have been admitted to hospital more than
> > > > once in any one year.
>
> > > > The public do need to be aware of the potential risks related to cannabis;
> > > > it is not a harmless drug. But public information about the drug must be
> > > > based on sound data and where that data exists, the media has a
> > > > responsibility to be scrupulous in its presentation.
>
> > > > Yours,
>
> > > > Martin Barnes
>
> > > > Chief executive,
> > > > DrugScope SE1
>
> > > >http://www.drugscope.org.uk/newsandevents/currentnewspages/Telegraph-> > > Yet "Hospital Episode Statistics" tend to support the Government figures,
> > > based on actual diagnoses by the hospital clinician concerned:
>
> > >http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/ContentServer?siteID=1937&ca> > There's something fishy about that summary table (which states no date
> > range); the raw data supports the lower numbers:http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/AttachmentRetriever?site_id=...1937\Accessing\DataTables\Diagnosis\3%20character\Diagnosis3_0607.­xls&short_name=Diagnosis3_0607.xls&u_id=7926
>
> Can anyone view this link? Please try to use tinyurl for such long
> links.

http://tinyurl.com/yu4439
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:16:15 -0800 (PST)   author:   M_P

Re: Cannabis experts lash out at ministers for ignoring advice   
On 24 jan, 21:16, M_P  wrote:
> On Jan 24, 11:19 am, sobriquet  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 24 jan, 17:30, M_P  wrote:
> > > On Jan 21, 5:54 am, "mentalguy2004"  wrote:
> > > > "Dr John Watson"  wrote in messagenews:5vjecjF1md5hbU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > > > Noticed at Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:25:29 퍍: mentalguy2004 informed us:
> > > > >> "Dr John Watson"  wrote in message
> > > > >>news:5vjdcgF1mhknkU1@mid.individual.net...
> > > > >>>A typical statement from our resident rent-a-quote, David Raynes.> > > > >>> Also the 500 mental health cases per week is mentioned, which we now
> > > > >>> know should be 14 (from DrugScope).
>
> > > > >> What research are both these figures based on?
>
> > > > > Here is the DrugScope statement:
>
> > > > > DrugScope response to Daily Telegraph front-page cannabis story, Friday 11
> > > > > January 12 January 2008
> > > > > On Friday 11 January the Daily Telegraph published a front-page news
> > > > > article under the headline: Abuse of cannabis puts 500 a week in hospital.
> > > > > You can read the full story by following the link at the end of this
> > > > > article.
>
> > > > > The Daily Telegraph piece referred to National Drug Treatment Monitoring
> > > > > System (NDTMS) figures cited by Minister of State for Public Health, Dawn
> > > > > Primarolo, in a response to a Parliamentary Question about the numbers of
> > > > > people treated for cannabis.
>
> > > > > DrugScope sent a letter on Friday 11 January to the Daily Telegraph in
> > > > > response to this story; as yet they have declined to publish it. Our
> > > > > response is reproduced below.
>
> > > > > Dear Sir,
>
> > > > > The front-page headline on Friday's Daily Telegraph (Abuse of cannabis
> > > > > puts 500 a week in hospital, 11/01/08) misrepresents figures given by Dawn
> > > > > Primarolo, Minister of State for Public Health, in her response to a
> > > > > Parliamentary Question this week.
>
> > > > > We have ascertained that the figures supplied by the Minister do not
> > > > > relate to actual hospital admissions; the source of the figures, the
> > > > > National Drug Treatment Monitoring System (NDTMS) does not collect data on
> > > > > hospital admissions and this was evident in the Minister's response.
>
> > > > > The figures instead relate to those who have come forward to
> > > > > community-based drug treatment services seeking some form of help, advice
> > > > > or treatment relating to their use of cannabis. DrugScope understands that
> > > > > even if 'treatment' consists of no more than an informal chat with a
> > > > > drug worker, this would still have been recorded in the statistics quoted
> > > > > by the Minister.
>
> > > > > Some of those clients may of course have gone on to receive treatment in
> > > > > hospital for conditions relating to their use of cannabis. However> > > > > figures provided to DrugScope by the Department of Health reveal that
> > > > > rather than 500 hospital admissions a week, the figure was nearer 14 per
> > > > > week (in 2006/07) for individuals with a primary diagnosis of mental
> > > > > health problems due to the use of cannabis. This is 14 admissions too
> > > > > many, but still way below the figure quoted by your correspondent.> > > > > In addition, the number of hospital admissions in 2006/07 with this
> > > > > diagnosis (750) was lower than in 2005/06 (946) - and it should be noted
> > > > > that the same individual could have been admitted to hospital more than
> > > > > once in any one year.
>
> > > > > The public do need to be aware of the potential risks related to cannabis;
> > > > > it is not a harmless drug. But public information about the drug must be
> > > > > based on sound data and where that data exists, the media has a
> > > > > responsibility to be scrupulous in its presentation.
>
> > > > > Yours,
>
> > > > > Martin Barnes
>
> > > > > Chief executive,
> > > > > DrugScope SE1
>
> > > > >http://www.drugscope.org.uk/newsandevents/currentnewspages/Telegraph-...
>
> > > > Yet "Hospital Episode Statistics" tend to support the Government figures,
> > > > based on actual diagnoses by the hospital clinician concerned:
>
> > > >http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/ContentServer?siteID=1937&ca...
>
> > > There's something fishy about that summary table (which states no date> > > range); the raw data supports the lower numbers:http://www.hesonline.nhs.uk/Ease/servlet/AttachmentRetriever?site_id=...Accessing\DataTables\Diagnosis\3%20character\Diagnosis3_0607.­xls&short_nam­e=Diagnosis3_0607.xls&u_id=7926
>
> > Can anyone view this link? Please try to use tinyurl for such long
> > links.
>
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Thx. :-) Would be nice to have similar raw statistics from the USA.
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:42:40 -0800 (PST)   author:   sobriquet

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