Cycle Surfer wrote:
>
> "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and
> over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
> propaganda." George Bush 2005
>
> Why ARE PHARMACY  / DRUG COMPANIES SO INTERESTED IN PROVING CANNABIS
> IS BAD FOR YOU?
> WHY ARE THEY SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH THESE RIGGED
> STUDIES AND ADVERTISING IT?
>
> CANNABIS CURES CANCER / A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FOR THEM
> CANNABIS CURES ALZHEIMERS , AGAIN BIG MONEY. CANNABIS IS THE BEST
> TREATMENT FOR MANY AILMENTS , FROM GLAUCOMA TO NEUROPATHY.

Much as I think the continued demonisation of cannabis is ridiculous 
and unscientific, that doesn't give the other side of the fence license 
to do the same. The science that proves cannabis "cures" cancer or 
alzheimers is almost as flaky as the science which proves cannabis causes
schizophrenia. There have been some studies (one in the case of alzhemiers) 
which show it may be beneficial but by no means is it certain.

That doesn't take away the fact that it's been proved that it helps with 
the symptoms of MS, improves appetite, reduces nausea etc. etc. Cannabis
/is/ beneficial but it would be best to stick to the proven benefits when
discussing them.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:18 +0000 (UTC),Ollie Clark,  wrote

> Cycle Surfer wrote:
> >
> > "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and
> > over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
> > propaganda." George Bush 2005
> >
> > Why ARE PHARMACY  / DRUG COMPANIES SO INTERESTED IN PROVING CANNABIS
> > IS BAD FOR YOU?
> > WHY ARE THEY SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH THESE RIGGED
> > STUDIES AND ADVERTISING IT?
> >
> > CANNABIS CURES CANCER / A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FOR THEM
> > CANNABIS CURES ALZHEIMERS , AGAIN BIG MONEY. CANNABIS IS THE BEST
> > TREATMENT FOR MANY AILMENTS , FROM GLAUCOMA TO NEUROPATHY.
> 
> Much as I think the continued demonisation of cannabis is ridiculous 
> and unscientific, that doesn't give the other side of the fence license 
> to do the same. The science that proves cannabis "cures" cancer or 
> alzheimers is almost as flaky as the science which proves cannabis
> causes schizophrenia. There have been some studies (one in the case of
> alzhemiers)  which show it may be beneficial but by no means is it
> certain.
> 
> That doesn't take away the fact that it's been proved that it helps with
>  the symptoms of MS, improves appetite, reduces nausea etc. etc.
> Cannabis /is/ beneficial but it would be best to stick to the proven
> benefits when discussing them.

    Well we do have a couple of known cannabis patients including
Angel Raich and Mr.Cubby whose cancers are controlled by the cannabis
they use.  Cubby had lost about 50 (or was it 15 lbs) in prison where
he was given Marinol® as a substitute for cannabis.

    later
    bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)

--       
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco
 
     "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
     It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
     the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
     It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
        --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

bobbie sellers wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:18 +0000 (UTC),Ollie Clark,  wrote
>
>> Cycle Surfer wrote:
>> >
>> > "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and
>> > over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
>> > propaganda." George Bush 2005
>> >
>> > Why ARE PHARMACY  / DRUG COMPANIES SO INTERESTED IN PROVING CANNABIS
>> > IS BAD FOR YOU?
>> > WHY ARE THEY SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH THESE RIGGED
>> > STUDIES AND ADVERTISING IT?
>> >
>> > CANNABIS CURES CANCER / A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FOR THEM
>> > CANNABIS CURES ALZHEIMERS , AGAIN BIG MONEY. CANNABIS IS THE BEST
>> > TREATMENT FOR MANY AILMENTS , FROM GLAUCOMA TO NEUROPATHY.
>> 
>> Much as I think the continued demonisation of cannabis is ridiculous 
>> and unscientific, that doesn't give the other side of the fence license 
>> to do the same. The science that proves cannabis "cures" cancer or 
>> alzheimers is almost as flaky as the science which proves cannabis
>> causes schizophrenia. There have been some studies (one in the case of
>> alzhemiers)  which show it may be beneficial but by no means is it
>> certain.
>> 
>> That doesn't take away the fact that it's been proved that it helps with
>>  the symptoms of MS, improves appetite, reduces nausea etc. etc.
>> Cannabis /is/ beneficial but it would be best to stick to the proven
>> benefits when discussing them.
>
>     Well we do have a couple of known cannabis patients including
> Angel Raich and Mr.Cubby whose cancers are controlled by the cannabis
> they use.  Cubby had lost about 50 (or was it 15 lbs) in prison where
> he was given Marinol® as a substitute for cannabis..

That's only anecdotal though, that's the same as "I knew someone who went 
mad and smoked marijuana so marijuana makes you go mad". It strikes me 
that medical marijuana dispensaries are uniquely placed to perform wide 
ranging scientific studies on cannabis...

It can certainly be used to increase appetite and reduce nausia in cancer 
patients but studies have only hinted that it might actually help prevent 
or cure the cancer itself. The Tashkin study was very interesting though 
and should have led to further research.

You're right bobbie, better to stick to what is proven. Now if only the
medical profession would do the same.

I've accumulated some research on cannabinoids and it is fair to say that
therein exists much unexplored potential. If governments put as much
research dollars into cannabinoids as they do towards the drug war then it
is very plausible that a number of therapeutic uses would have been
established long ago.

"bobbie sellers"  wrote in message
news:108165057471010.NC-1.56.blissNO@News.Individual.NET...
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:18 +0000 (UTC),Ollie Clark,  wrote
>
> > Cycle Surfer wrote:
> > >
> > > "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and
> > > over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
> > > propaganda." George Bush 2005
> > >
> > > Why ARE PHARMACY  / DRUG COMPANIES SO INTERESTED IN PROVING CANNABIS
> > > IS BAD FOR YOU?
> > > WHY ARE THEY SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH THESE RIGGED
> > > STUDIES AND ADVERTISING IT?
> > >
> > > CANNABIS CURES CANCER / A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FOR THEM
> > > CANNABIS CURES ALZHEIMERS , AGAIN BIG MONEY. CANNABIS IS THE BEST
> > > TREATMENT FOR MANY AILMENTS , FROM GLAUCOMA TO NEUROPATHY.
> >
> > Much as I think the continued demonisation of cannabis is ridiculous
> > and unscientific, that doesn't give the other side of the fence license
> > to do the same. The science that proves cannabis "cures" cancer or
> > alzheimers is almost as flaky as the science which proves cannabis
> > causes schizophrenia. There have been some studies (one in the case of
> > alzhemiers)  which show it may be beneficial but by no means is it
> > certain.
> >
> > That doesn't take away the fact that it's been proved that it helps with
> >  the symptoms of MS, improves appetite, reduces nausea etc. etc.
> > Cannabis /is/ beneficial but it would be best to stick to the proven
> > benefits when discussing them.
>
>     Well we do have a couple of known cannabis patients including
> Angel Raich and Mr.Cubby whose cancers are controlled by the cannabis
> they use.  Cubby had lost about 50 (or was it 15 lbs) in prison where
> he was given Marinol® as a substitute for cannabis.
>
>     later
>     bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)
>
> --
> bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco
>
>      "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
>      It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
>      the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
>      It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
>         --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.
>

John H. wrote:

> I've accumulated some research on cannabinoids and it is fair to say that
> therein exists much unexplored potential. If governments put as much
> research dollars into cannabinoids as they do towards the drug war then it
> is very plausible that a number of therapeutic uses would have been
> established long ago.
> 

they were

  http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/maryj.html

ned

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:53 +1000,"John H.",  wrote

> You're right bobbie, better to stick to what is proven. Now if only the
> medical profession would do the same.
> 
> I've accumulated some research on cannabinoids and it is fair to say
> that therein exists much unexplored potential. If governments put as
> much research dollars into cannabinoids as they do towards the drug war
> then it is very plausible that a number of therapeutic uses would have
> been established long ago.
> 
> "bobbie sellers"  wrote in message
> news:108165057471010.NC-1.56.blissNO@News.Individual.NET...
> > On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:18 +0000 (UTC),Ollie Clark,  wrote
> >
> > > Cycle Surfer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and
> > > > over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
> > > > propaganda." George Bush 2005
> > > >
> > > > Why ARE PHARMACY  / DRUG COMPANIES SO INTERESTED IN PROVING CANNABIS
> > > > IS BAD FOR YOU?
> > > > WHY ARE THEY SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH THESE RIGGED
> > > > STUDIES AND ADVERTISING IT?
> > > >
> > > > CANNABIS CURES CANCER / A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FOR THEM
> > > > CANNABIS CURES ALZHEIMERS , AGAIN BIG MONEY. CANNABIS IS THE BEST
> > > > TREATMENT FOR MANY AILMENTS , FROM GLAUCOMA TO NEUROPATHY.
> > >
> > > Much as I think the continued demonisation of cannabis is ridiculous
> > > and unscientific, that doesn't give the other side of the fence license
> > > to do the same. The science that proves cannabis "cures" cancer or
> > > alzheimers is almost as flaky as the science which proves cannabis
> > > causes schizophrenia. There have been some studies (one in the case of
> > > alzhemiers)  which show it may be beneficial but by no means is it
> > > certain.
> > >
> > > That doesn't take away the fact that it's been proved that it helps with
> > >  the symptoms of MS, improves appetite, reduces nausea etc. etc.
> > > Cannabis /is/ beneficial but it would be best to stick to the proven
> > > benefits when discussing them.
> >
> >     Well we do have a couple of known cannabis patients including
> > Angel Raich and Mr.Cubby whose cancers are controlled by the cannabis
> > they use.  Cubby had lost about 50 (or was it 15 lbs) in prison where
> > he was given Marinol® as a substitute for cannabis.
> >

    Better than depending on fresh research go to the United States
Pharmacopia editions prior to 1937 and look at the entry for Tincture
of Cannabis, USP.  This was the prescription form of cannabis for use
by physicians and by their patients for a wide variety of diseases and
conditions.

    Dose was established by titration i.e. a dose was given according 
to the reduction of the symptoms to a comfortable levels or until a 
desirable response was obtained.  It was so non-toxic that there
was no worry about the process but merely economic motives behind
limiting the doses to the lowest useful.  Tincture of Cannabis
was produced by more than one "ethical" pharmaceutical company like
Squibb.

    The Hemp Tax Act was passed 70 years ago based on the economic
motives of Harry J. Anslinger, head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics
and promoter of the Single Convention on Narcotics which became one
of the documents that members of the UN had to sign to get accepted
for membership.

    Before the FBN needed money after the end of the Prohibition
of Alcohol, Anslinger thought that cannabis wasn't worth his 
interest.
 
    later
    bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)

--       
bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco
 
     "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
     It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
     the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
     It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
        --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.

That's right, all political. Here's the rub: my understanding is that hemp
seeds contain and even better balance of omega fats than flaxseed. Hemp also
contains cannabidol, a non-psychoactive cannabinoid, that's shows much
therapeutic potential. Studies have indicated it is a powerful antioxidant,
as a CB 2 agonist it shows protential as an anti brain cancer agent(given no
progress in treating brain cancers in the last 20 years this refusal to
investigate its potential here is unforgivable), demonstrates
anti-inflammatory qualities, impedes amyloid deposition, and is
neuroprotective to a high degree. But instead we'll ply the patients with
highly toxic drugs which 20 years of research have failed to improve upon.
In fact one recent analysis claimed that chemo drugs were better at killing
neurons than cancer cells.

Got me stuffed people, I just can't understand it at all. This little
project is on hold at the moment but later down the track I want to write
something up on this so I may plug you lot for some information in the near
future.


"bobbie sellers"  wrote in message
news:1081748130281012.NC-1.56.blissNO@News.Individual.NET...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:20:53 +1000,"John H.",  wrote
>
> > You're right bobbie, better to stick to what is proven. Now if only the
> > medical profession would do the same.
> >
> > I've accumulated some research on cannabinoids and it is fair to say
> > that therein exists much unexplored potential. If governments put as
> > much research dollars into cannabinoids as they do towards the drug war
> > then it is very plausible that a number of therapeutic uses would have
> > been established long ago.
> >
> > "bobbie sellers"  wrote in message
> > news:108165057471010.NC-1.56.blissNO@News.Individual.NET...
> > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:32:18 +0000 (UTC),Ollie Clark,  wrote
> > >
> > > > Cycle Surfer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and
> > > > > over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult
the
> > > > > propaganda." George Bush 2005
> > > > >
> > > > > Why ARE PHARMACY  / DRUG COMPANIES SO INTERESTED IN PROVING
CANNABIS
> > > > > IS BAD FOR YOU?
> > > > > WHY ARE THEY SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH THESE
RIGGED
> > > > > STUDIES AND ADVERTISING IT?
> > > > >
> > > > > CANNABIS CURES CANCER / A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FOR THEM
> > > > > CANNABIS CURES ALZHEIMERS , AGAIN BIG MONEY. CANNABIS IS THE BEST
> > > > > TREATMENT FOR MANY AILMENTS , FROM GLAUCOMA TO NEUROPATHY.
> > > >
> > > > Much as I think the continued demonisation of cannabis is ridiculous
> > > > and unscientific, that doesn't give the other side of the fence
license
> > > > to do the same. The science that proves cannabis "cures" cancer or
> > > > alzheimers is almost as flaky as the science which proves cannabis
> > > > causes schizophrenia. There have been some studies (one in the case
of
> > > > alzhemiers)  which show it may be beneficial but by no means is it
> > > > certain.
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't take away the fact that it's been proved that it helps
with
> > > >  the symptoms of MS, improves appetite, reduces nausea etc. etc.
> > > > Cannabis /is/ beneficial but it would be best to stick to the proven
> > > > benefits when discussing them.
> > >
> > >     Well we do have a couple of known cannabis patients including
> > > Angel Raich and Mr.Cubby whose cancers are controlled by the cannabis
> > > they use.  Cubby had lost about 50 (or was it 15 lbs) in prison where
> > > he was given Marinol® as a substitute for cannabis.
> > >
>
>     Better than depending on fresh research go to the United States
> Pharmacopia editions prior to 1937 and look at the entry for Tincture
> of Cannabis, USP.  This was the prescription form of cannabis for use
> by physicians and by their patients for a wide variety of diseases and
> conditions.
>
>     Dose was established by titration i.e. a dose was given according
> to the reduction of the symptoms to a comfortable levels or until a
> desirable response was obtained.  It was so non-toxic that there
> was no worry about the process but merely economic motives behind
> limiting the doses to the lowest useful.  Tincture of Cannabis
> was produced by more than one "ethical" pharmaceutical company like
> Squibb.
>
>     The Hemp Tax Act was passed 70 years ago based on the economic
> motives of Harry J. Anslinger, head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics
> and promoter of the Single Convention on Narcotics which became one
> of the documents that members of the UN had to sign to get accepted
> for membership.
>
>     Before the FBN needed money after the end of the Prohibition
> of Alcohol, Anslinger thought that cannabis wasn't worth his
> interest.
>
>     later
>     bliss -- C  O C O A  Powered... (at california dot com)
>
> --
> bobbie sellers - a retired nurse in San Francisco
>
>      "It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
>      It is by the beans of cocoa that the thoughts acquire speed,
>      the thighs acquire girth, the girth become a warning.
>      It is by theobromine alone I set my mind in motion."
>         --from Someone else's Dune spoof ripped to my taste.
>