I'm aware of the potential benefits [and dangers] of clen one of which is 
NOT appetite suppression. Has anyone added eph to their clen cycle to help 
with this particular aspect of dieting?

-- 
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the 
opportunity in every difficulty."
Sir Winston Churchill

Do you mean clenbuterol and ephedrine?

Carl wrote:
> Do you mean clenbuterol and ephedrine?

Yes I do.

-- 
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:05:17 +0100, Bully wrote:

> I'm aware of the potential benefits [and dangers] of clen one of which is 
> NOT appetite suppression.

Take enough and you won't feel like eating so much.

> Has anyone added eph to their clen cycle to help 
> with this particular aspect of dieting?

No. I'm not a fan of eph, tho the sides are supposed to subside after some
weeks and the "fat burning" continues.

How much clen you taking? I do 10 tabs a day and don't feel overly hungry.
Having said that, I don't feel much more hungry when dieting anyway.

Mind over matter son!

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

JD wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:05:17 +0100, Bully wrote:
>
>> I'm aware of the potential benefits [and dangers] of clen one of
>> which is NOT appetite suppression.
>
> Take enough and you won't feel like eating so much.
>
>> Has anyone added eph to their clen cycle to help
>> with this particular aspect of dieting?
>
> No. I'm not a fan of eph, tho the sides are supposed to subside after
> some weeks and the "fat burning" continues.
>
> How much clen you taking? I do 10 tabs a day and don't feel overly
> hungry. Having said that, I don't feel much more hungry when dieting
> anyway.

I forgot to say, it's not for me it's for my mate!!!

I'm, ermm, he's taking 5 tabs per day. Maybe he needs to crank it up a bit. 
I'll let him know!!!

>
> Mind over matter son!

Yeah, there was a funny article on t-nation recently where on of the 
trainers said his client was complaining about being hungy whilst dieting!!!

-- 
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

LOL, good laugh um ah etc! What about Dbol? I used to do 9 tabs a day, but 
it does not help promote the creation of lean muscle.

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:33:33 +0100, Carl wrote:

> LOL, good laugh um ah etc! What about Dbol? I used to do 9 tabs a day, but 
> it does not help promote the creation of lean muscle.

Your post makes no sense as there is no context.

However, wtf is "lean muscle?" I presume there is also then "fat muscle?"

-- 
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JD wrote:

> However, wtf is "lean muscle?" I presume there is also then "fat muscle?"

Heh.
don't you have mirrors at home then JD?
Actually, didn't you install a gym mirror in your home a fair while ago?

:¬)

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On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:09:36 +0100, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:

> JD wrote:
> 
>> However, wtf is "lean muscle?" I presume there is also then "fat muscle?"
> 
> Heh.
> don't you have mirrors at home then JD?

Not that many, as it happens.

> Actually, didn't you install a gym mirror in your home a fair while ago?

No it wouldn't fit anywhere so it ended up in the garage. It's now down my
gym.


-- 
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:05:17 +0100, "Bully" 
wrote:

>I'm aware of the potential benefits [and dangers] of clen one of which is 
>NOT appetite suppression. Has anyone added eph to their clen cycle to help 
>with this particular aspect of dieting?

I personally and intuitively think you would be asking for trouble
taking both at the same time. You should monitor BP, pulse, body temp
etc carefully and ramp up your dosages slowly IMHO if you insist on
doing that. Why not just go with a plain vanilla ECA stack? Or just clen
and benadryl? (I vote for ECA)


-- 
When I go to the gym, I TRAIN HARD, and that's it.
I'm not there to party or to boogaloo.
I don't want no stinkin' radio playing Metallica or Limp Biscuit.
I MAKE MY OWN MUSIC, AND DANCE WITH IRON.

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bigpaparobinson@yahoo.com wrote:

> I personally and intuitively think you would be asking for trouble
> taking both at the same time. You should monitor BP, pulse, body temp
> etc carefully and ramp up your dosages slowly IMHO if you insist on
> doing that. Why not just go with a plain vanilla ECA stack? Or just clen
> and benadryl? (I vote for ECA)

Absolutely.
Both Clen and Ephedrine work on the same receptors just that ephedrine
keeps working whereas Clen shuts things down in a couple of weeks.

ECA or any epedra product is IMHO far better than a quick Clen. fortnight.


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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:11:22 +0100, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:

> keeps working whereas Clen shuts things down in a couple of weeks.

Hence the benadryl. Diphenhydramine hydrochloride, iirc (probably not)
resets things so clen keeps working. Or so I am led to believe.

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
> bigpaparobinson@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I personally and intuitively think you would be asking for trouble
>> taking both at the same time. You should monitor BP, pulse, body temp
>> etc carefully and ramp up your dosages slowly IMHO if you insist on
>> doing that. Why not just go with a plain vanilla ECA stack? Or just
>> clen and benadryl? (I vote for ECA)
>
> Absolutely.
> Both Clen and Ephedrine work on the same receptors just that ephedrine
> keeps working

That's not strictly true. Eph has a less potent effect [on beta-2 receptors] 
than clen thereby causing less downregulation. That's not to say it's less 
effective, it has other mechanism that make it work in different ways from 
Clen.

> whereas Clen shuts things down in a couple of weeks.
>
> ECA or any epedra product is IMHO far better than a quick Clen.
> fortnight.



-- 
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:58:44 +0100, JD
 wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:11:22 +0100, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
>
>> keeps working whereas Clen shuts things down in a couple of weeks.
>
>Hence the benadryl. Diphenhydramine hydrochloride, iirc (probably not)
>resets things so clen keeps working. Or so I am led to believe.

You get the cigar, JD. Two weeks on clen alone, then a third week stay
on but also take the benadryl or a generic form of it. Repeat the two
weeks off the benadryl and another week on, etc etc as needed while
continuing to take the clen. 

Personally I don't get along well with clen. The tremors and stuff are
embarrassing in public.


-- 
"look out for my handshake of death in the near future:)!"
(Bully)

The Right Honorable Robinson, Baron of Bourbon
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:34:09 +0300, bigpaparobinson wrote:

> Personally I don't get along well with clen. The tremors and stuff are
> embarrassing in public.

Take your hands out of your pockets then.

What dose you taking? I don't have much in the way of sides after the
first day or two and that's on 10 tabs.

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

On 8 Sep, 10:20, JD  wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:34:09 +0300, bigpaparobinson wrote:
> > Personally I don't get along well with clen. The tremors and stuff are
> > embarrassing in public.
>
> Take your hands out of your pockets then.
>
> What dose you taking? I don't have much in the way of sides after the
> first day or two and that's on 10 tabs.
>
> --
> I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

for clen to be effective you should take every other day,this will
make it work longer,however after 6  to 8 weeks it is not worth
taking,if you want to stack it with something cytomel is the thing to
do..because of its short working life,after 6 to 8 weeks switch to
ephidreine,caffine,asprin stack, if you still want to get leaner,
after 4 wks back to clen..for any advice on these products go to my
site www dot getsteroidsuk dot com email me ..be glad to help

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:22:16 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:
 
> for clen to be effective you should take every other day,this will
> make it work longer,however after 6  to 8 weeks it is not worth

After about 2 weeks it isn't worth taking. Every other day doesn't make it
work longer, it just pads out the length of time you're taking it for.

> taking,if you want to stack it with something cytomel is the thing to
> do.

Possibly not a good idea for natural lifters.

> 4 wks back to clen..for any advice on these products go to my site www
> email me ..be glad to help

I wouldn't take advice from someone that doesn't appear to have a clue.

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

On Sep 23, 10:59 am, JD  wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:22:16 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:
> > for clen to be effective you should take every other day,this will
> > make it work longer,however after 6  to 8 weeks it is not worth
>
> After about 2 weeks it isn't worth taking. Every other day doesn't make it
> work longer, it just pads out the length of time you're taking it for.
>
> > taking,if you want to stack it with something cytomel is the thing to
> > do.
>
> Possibly not a good idea for natural lifters.
>
> > 4 wks back to clen..for any advice on these products go to my site www
> > email me ..be glad to help
>
> I wouldn't take advice from someone that doesn't appear to have a clue.
>
> --
> I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

ok first things first cytomel not good for natural lifters??? plse
explain ,,actualy  with clen any anabolic effect ceases after 2 to 3
weeks ..but the actual fat burning propertys of this compound last
longer .most people experiance a drop in brown fat burning 4 to 5
weeks in ...if taken every day, however users report this can be
prolonged to aprox 8 wks when taken every other day,i belive the
actual question was could eph be taken with clen...this being the case
i presumed he was more interested in optimizing his metabolism ..than
any small anabolic effect clen contributes..as for clues..nets full of
miss informed people who jump in without full facts...maybe you should
look up about clen,cytomel properly ..

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:49:39 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:

> ok first things first cytomel not good for natural lifters??? plse
> explain

Cytomel (t3) is catabolic. Without the use of steroids, taking t3
whilst dieting will cause a loss of muscle.
t3 is also quite dangerous. Misuse can lead to thyroid deficiency
which means you'll be popping the tabs the rest of your life.

> ,,actualy  with clen any anabolic effect ceases after 2 to 3
> weeks ..but the actual fat burning propertys of this compound last
> longer .most people experiance a drop in brown fat burning 4 to 5

How the fuck would someone know if they were losing "brown" fat?
(That's a rhetorical question btw)
I have never, ever, heard anyone say that clen should be taken for more
than 2 weeks at a time. The usual "cycle" is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
When I do it, it doesn't even last 2 weeks. Clen isn't anabolic.

> weeks in ...if taken every day, however users report this can be
> prolonged to aprox 8 wks when taken every other day,i belive the

That is merely padding out the length of time it is taken, it doesn't
prolong the time the drug is effective.

> small anabolic effect clen contributes..as for clues..nets full of miss
> informed people who jump in without full facts...maybe you should look
> up about clen,cytomel properly ..

Already have, years ago. That's how I get to spot witless fucktards like
yourself.

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

On Sep 24, 10:49 am, JD  wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:49:39 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:
> > ok first things first cytomel not good for natural lifters??? plse
> > explain
>
> Cytomel (t3) is catabolic. Without the use of steroids, taking t3
> whilst dieting will cause a loss of muscle.
> t3 is also quite dangerous. Misuse can lead to thyroid deficiency
> which means you'll be popping the tabs the rest of your life.
>
> > ,,actualy  with clen any anabolic effect ceases after 2 to 3
> > weeks ..but the actual fat burning propertys of this compound last
> > longer .most people experiance a drop in brown fat burning 4 to 5
>
> How the fuck would someone know if they were losing "brown" fat?
> (That's a rhetorical question btw)
> I have never, ever, heard anyone say that clen should be taken for more
> than 2 weeks at a time. The usual "cycle" is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
> When I do it, it doesn't even last 2 weeks. Clen isn't anabolic.
>
> > weeks in ...if taken every day, however users report this can be
> > prolonged to aprox 8 wks when taken every other day,i belive the
>
> That is merely padding out the length of time it is taken, it doesn't
> prolong the time the drug is effective.
>
> > small anabolic effect clen contributes..as for clues..nets full of miss
> > informed people who jump in without full facts...maybe you should look
> > up about clen,cytomel properly ..
>
> Already have, years ago. That's how I get to spot witless fucktards like
> yourself.
>
> --
> I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

HA .HA.
LOL IM NOT GONNA GET IN SLANGING MATCH,LOOKED AT OUR OTHER POSTS,YOU
LIKE TO BRING THINGS DOWN A LEVEL OR TWO...this is the resort of a
small mind...by the way this is the textbook reply  i knew you would
post.. 1st as you state (straight out of the pages of some ref on
web ) yes it is catabolic..but so is your own thyroid if not given the
fuel your body wants..t3 simply incresses your own thyroid .now if you
had a low body fat % ..say in last couple weeks bfore comp  ..then yes
that  along with dieting would cause muscle loss...however   as the
man was asking if you could stack clen ,with eph  i think you can be
sure that he has a pound or two to lose..this being the case it would
have no affect on his muscle mass  ???why  because the bodys preffered
method to fuel its-self is carbs,fats...you  have to be in the low
range body fat % before it even thinks about muscle as a source of
fuel...BAD for you..again bet ya just looked up on web and spouted out
what ya found...in reality  i know people who use this product to stay
in shape for months at a time ,their living deopends on it...when they
cease use  ,,their own thyroid is back to normal in couple of
weeks...now you can shout & swear all you like...clen is effective for
up to 6 to 8 weeks if used properly...yes it does have a mild anabolic
effect im afraid you are wrong on that score ..only for couple of
weeks though..what i will say to any one reading this ..ya got net at
your fingertips..reserch on the sites  with the people who use this
stuff  not just some textbook jargon by people who havnt,,,lol...over
to you mr shouty

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:09:00 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:

> On Sep 24, 10:49 am, JD  wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:49:39 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:
>> > ok first things first cytomel not good for natural lifters??? plse
>> > explain
>>
>> Cytomel (t3) is catabolic. Without the use of steroids, taking t3
>> whilst dieting will cause a loss of muscle.
>> t3 is also quite dangerous. Misuse can lead to thyroid deficiency
>> which means you'll be popping the tabs the rest of your life.
>>
>> > ,,actualy  with clen any anabolic effect ceases after 2 to 3
>> > weeks ..but the actual fat burning propertys of this compound last
>> > longer .most people experiance a drop in brown fat burning 4 to 5
>>
>> How the fuck would someone know if they were losing "brown" fat?
>> (That's a rhetorical question btw)
>> I have never, ever, heard anyone say that clen should be taken for more
>> than 2 weeks at a time. The usual "cycle" is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
>> When I do it, it doesn't even last 2 weeks. Clen isn't anabolic.
>>
>> > weeks in ...if taken every day, however users report this can be
>> > prolonged to aprox 8 wks when taken every other day,i belive the
>>
>> That is merely padding out the length of time it is taken, it doesn't
>> prolong the time the drug is effective.
>>
>> > small anabolic effect clen contributes..as for clues..nets full of miss
>> > informed people who jump in without full facts...maybe you should look
>> > up about clen,cytomel properly ..
>>
>> Already have, years ago. That's how I get to spot witless fucktards like
>> yourself.
>>
>> --
>> I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet
> 
> HA .HA.
> LOL IM NOT GONNA GET IN SLANGING MATCH,LOOKED AT OUR OTHER POSTS,YOU
> LIKE TO BRING THINGS DOWN A LEVEL OR TWO...this is the resort of a
> small mind...by the way this is the textbook reply  i knew you would
> post..

Does this mean that a textbook reply is incorrect?

> 1st as you state (straight out of the pages of some ref on
> web )

Um, no. I happen to be articulate. However, as I don't happen to have
conducted double blind trials myself, I have to use other sources of
information.

> yes it is catabolic..but so is your own thyroid if not given the fuel
> your body wants..t3 simply incresses your own thyroid .

t3 supplementation does exactly the opposite. It _decreases_ the use of
the thyroid. Take enough for a long enough period of time and the thyroid
will atrophy and will _not_ recover.

> now if you had a
> low body fat % ..say in last couple weeks bfore comp  ..then yes that
> along with dieting would cause muscle loss...however   as the man was
> asking if you could stack clen ,with eph  i think you can be sure that
> he has a pound or two to lose..

He's a fat bastard and has lots to lose.

>this being the case it would have no
> affect on his muscle mass  ???why  because the bodys preffered method to
> fuel its-self is carbs,fats...you  have to be in the low range body fat
> % before it even thinks about muscle as a source of fuel...BAD for

Please read up on the breakdown of muscle.

> you..again bet ya just looked up on web and spouted out what ya
> found...in reality  i know people who use this product to stay in shape
> for months at a time ,their living deopends on it...

Not natural then? I did specifically state natural, insofar as no gear.

> when they cease use
> ,,their own thyroid is back to normal in couple of weeks...

Yes it probably is. Did you bother to read my post? I said misuse, not use.

> now you can shout & swear all you like...

Thank you for your permission. On usenet, shouting is usually shown by the
use of the caps lock key. Which I haven't done. Perhaps you use a screen
reader.

> clen is effective for up to 6 to 8 weeks if used properly...

Sigh. It's like knocking my head against a brick wall.

> yes it does
> have a mild anabolic effect im afraid you are wrong on that score 
> ..only
> for couple of weeks though..what i will say to any one reading this 

Prove it. Show me a study that says clen is anabolic. I've never read one.
It may have better partitioning qualities then eph, I don't know, but that
isn't the same as anabolic.

>..ya
> got net at your fingertips..

Speaking of which, do you have grooves on your monitor where your finger
runs along when reading?

> reserch on the sites  with the people who
> use this stuff  not just some textbook jargon by people who
> havnt,,,lol...over to you mr shouty

Brilliant. STFW, but don't believe it if it's "textbook jargon." Does that
mean long words?
FWIW, I have used clen and t3 at the same time. This was not on gear and
only after a long period of research. I'd never recommend it. I also lost
muscle on it. Perhaps my training was wrong for it, who knows. I'll also
be trying it again soon.

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

On Sep 29, 2:33 pm, JD  wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:09:00 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 10:49 am, JD  wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:49:39 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:
> >> > ok first things first cytomel not good for natural lifters??? plse
> >> > explain
>
> >> Cytomel (t3) is catabolic. Without the use of steroids, taking t3
> >> whilst dieting will cause a loss of muscle.
> >> t3 is also quite dangerous. Misuse can lead to thyroid deficiency
> >> which means you'll be popping the tabs the rest of your life.
>
> >> > ,,actualy  with clen any anabolic effect ceases after 2 to 3
> >> > weeks ..but the actual fat burning propertys of this compound last
> >> > longer .most people experiance a drop in brown fat burning 4 to 5
>
> >> How the fuck would someone know if they were losing "brown" fat?
> >> (That's a rhetorical question btw)
> >> I have never, ever, heard anyone say that clen should be taken for more
> >> than 2 weeks at a time. The usual "cycle" is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.
> >> When I do it, it doesn't even last 2 weeks. Clen isn't anabolic.
>
> >> > weeks in ...if taken every day, however users report this can be
> >> > prolonged to aprox 8 wks when taken every other day,i belive the
>
> >> That is merely padding out the length of time it is taken, it doesn't
> >> prolong the time the drug is effective.
>
> >> > small anabolic effect clen contributes..as for clues..nets full of miss
> >> > informed people who jump in without full facts...maybe you should look
> >> > up about clen,cytomel properly ..
>
> >> Already have, years ago. That's how I get to spot witless fucktards like
> >> yourself.
>
> >> --
> >> I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet
>
> > HA .HA.
> > LOL IM NOT GONNA GET IN SLANGING MATCH,LOOKED AT OUR OTHER POSTS,YOU
> > LIKE TO BRING THINGS DOWN A LEVEL OR TWO...this is the resort of a
> > small mind...by the way this is the textbook reply  i knew you would
> > post..
>
> Does this mean that a textbook reply is incorrect?
>
> > 1st as you state (straight out of the pages of some ref on
> > web )
>
> Um, no. I happen to be articulate. However, as I don't happen to have
> conducted double blind trials myself, I have to use other sources of
> information.
>
> > yes it is catabolic..but so is your own thyroid if not given the fuel
> > your body wants..t3 simply incresses your own thyroid .
>
> t3 supplementation does exactly the opposite. It _decreases_ the use of
> the thyroid. Take enough for a long enough period of time and the thyroid
> will atrophy and will _not_ recover.
>
> > now if you had a
> > low body fat % ..say in last couple weeks bfore comp  ..then yes that
> > along with dieting would cause muscle loss...however   as the man was
> > asking if you could stack clen ,with eph  i think you can be sure that
> > he has a pound or two to lose..
>
> He's a fat bastard and has lots to lose.
>
> >this being the case it would have no
> > affect on his muscle mass  ???why  because the bodys preffered method to
> > fuel its-self is carbs,fats...you  have to be in the low range body fat
> > % before it even thinks about muscle as a source of fuel...BAD for
>
> Please read up on the breakdown of muscle.
>
> > you..again bet ya just looked up on web and spouted out what ya
> > found...in reality  i know people who use this product to stay in shape
> > for months at a time ,their living deopends on it...
>
> Not natural then? I did specifically state natural, insofar as no gear.
>
> > when they cease use
> > ,,their own thyroid is back to normal in couple of weeks...
>
> Yes it probably is. Did you bother to read my post? I said misuse, not use.
>
> > now you can shout & swear all you like...
>
> Thank you for your permission. On usenet, shouting is usually shown by the
> use of the caps lock key. Which I haven't done. Perhaps you use a screen
> reader.
>
> > clen is effective for up to 6 to 8 weeks if used properly...
>
> Sigh. It's like knocking my head against a brick wall.
>
> > yes it does
> > have a mild anabolic effect im afraid you are wrong on that score
> > ..only
> > for couple of weeks though..what i will say to any one reading this
>
> Prove it. Show me a study that says clen is anabolic. I've never read one> It may have better partitioning qualities then eph, I don't know, but that
> isn't the same as anabolic.
>
> >..ya
> > got net at your fingertips..
>
> Speaking of which, do you have grooves on your monitor where your finger
> runs along when reading?
>
> > reserch on the sites  with the people who
> > use this stuff  not just some textbook jargon by people who
> > havnt,,,lol...over to you mr shouty
>
> Brilliant. STFW, but don't believe it if it's "textbook jargon." Does that
> mean long words?
> FWIW, I have used clen and t3 at the same time. This was not on gear and
> only after a long period of research. I'd never recommend it. I also lost
> muscle on it. Perhaps my training was wrong for it, who knows. I'll also
> be trying it again soon.
>
> --
> I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

ok not my words but.........So Let´s re-examine that first point I
made: Clen vs. clen exercise produce roughly the same results for the
first 2 weeks! This tells me that the 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off
schedule for clen dosing is far from optimal, and if you want the
quasi-anabolic effect from the clen, it´ll take more than 2weeks on (6
weeks apparently). In addition, since clen alone is similar to clen
exercise for those first 2 weeks...why would you ever use a 2on/2off
protocol? Keep in mind that animal responses to beta-agonist/
antagonists differ a bit from ours but I´m sure that you get the idea
that 2on/2off is not a great dosing protocol. If I were using clen, I
´d be using it for 6-12 weeks at a time, if I expected to get maximum
results from it, but certainly, the most dramatic effects on fat loss
appear to be in weeks 1-2. The reasons for the further increase in FFM
around week 6 despite no changes in %fat or fat mass is not easily
explained... It might be that clenbuterol can increases FFM through
another nonreceptor-mediated pathway, which would be very good for us,
since the anabolic effects would also be applicable in humans, despite
the fact that animals often respond more dramatically to beta-agonist/
antagonists, due to receptor properties.. However, clenbuterol is
highly lipophylic and can also enter muscle tissue (12), so that could
indicate a possible mechanism of work. Maybe that would explain the
significant increase in FFM of 13 kg in at 8 wks in the study?
Certainly, muscle protein synthesis (MPS) must be a part of it, since
clen will increase MPS in your body (17)& But it has even been
speculated that the growth-promoting effect of clenbuterol may be
specific to muscle and that the drug may act in a not-yet-understood
manner which circumvents (!) the physiological mechanisms responsible
for the control of muscle growth (13). This may mean that clenbuterol
can help blast you past "sticking points" in your training by
circumventing the usual mechanisms by which anabolism is experienced!
It is of note that both muscle composition and fiber size has been
shown to increase with administration of clen (14).   ..

just one of many that supports the use of clen for more than 2 on 2
off...
of course one could argue ther is no anabolic affect proven from
clen..there is you know...but only in animal studies...as we are
talkin about humans  we can only go by what we see...some people grow
on clen ..fact...is it anabolic?? who knows for sure  but if ya
grow ..sounds it  to me..

see people can disagree on things..i dont mind...of course when you
jump straight in with insults ..it shows that you are a little  bit of
a dick ....for every thing i say you can say its wrong,and visa
versa..but i would not start off by calling you names ...so you have
your point i have mine...i akso know of nat blds who use clen/
cytomel  ..if used proberly   no muscle loss..that was my point .. if
it didnt work 4 you you did it wrong....yes increse in own thyroid was
poor choice of wording(i will give you that) however i fire off
responses  straight away so maybe not as good with choice of phrase as
someone who  has to look shit up...text book dont always mean its
right... in the real world as we use these kinds of products ...if
youve been about as much as you make out  you would know this...

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:39:19 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:

> ok not my words but.........So Let´s re-examine that first point I
> made: Clen vs. clen+ exercise produce roughly the same results for the
> first 2 weeks! This tells me that the 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off
> schedule for clen dosing is far from optimal, and if you want the

Funny that, it tells me that exercise is a waste of time.
 
> just one of many that supports the use of clen for more than 2 on 2
> off...
> of course one could argue ther is no anabolic affect proven from
> clen..there is you know...but only in animal studies...as we are
> talkin about humans  we can only go by what we see...some people grow
> on clen ..fact...is it anabolic?? who knows for sure  but if ya
> grow ..sounds it  to me..

Nice one Einstein. But you said "some" that means others don't.
Did you see if the ones that were growing would have grown without the
clen?
No you didn't. That's what studies are for. How's about providing a
human study as to the anabolic effects of clen?

> see people can disagree on things..i dont mind...

Thanks, that's very big of you. Although I must admit, I couldn't give a
shit if you care or not.

> of course when you jump
> straight in with insults ..it shows that you are a little  bit of a dick

I'm a lot of a dick sunshine. But not a retarded one.

> have mine...i akso know of nat blds who use clen/ cytomel  ..if used
> proberly   no muscle loss..that was my point .. if it didnt work 4 you
> you did it wrong....yes increse in own thyroid was poor choice of
> wording(i will give you that)

> however i fire off responses  straight
> away so maybe not as good with choice of phrase as someone who  has to
> look shit up...

My you do have a chip on that shoulder. Anyone that is articulate "has to
look shit up" do they? Of course, you wouldn't have to look shit up as you
were born with the knowledge.
I hate to burst your little bubble, but I, erm, looked fuck all up for
this thread.

> text book dont always mean its right...

Correct.

> in the real world as we use
> these kinds of products ...if youve been about as much as you make out
> you would know this...

Did you read anything I posted in this thread? I know people use clen, I
have myself. Try reading. Perhaps if you did you wouldn't turn out like
you.

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:39:19 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:

> ok not my words but.........So Let´s re-examine that first point I
> made: 

<snip paste from website>

LMSO! I just thought I'd have a quick look for studies about the anabolism
of clen. Google "studies on clenbuterol anabolic" threw up (1st hit):

http://www.steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php

Which is what you quoted. I presume that because you quoted it you
believe it to be correct.
What you failed to quote from that very same page, because you are a
fucktard of the highest order is this little gem:

"This type of dramatic anabolic effect hasn´t been confirmed in human
studies"

So, rather than seek out facts, you're just seeking confirmation of your
existing deluded vision of reality.
It wouldn't be so bad if you were funny. Bully gets all the funny cunts.
I just get the cunts.


-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:05:17 +0100, Bully wrote:

> I'm aware of the potential benefits [and dangers] of clen one of which is 
> NOT appetite suppression. Has anyone added eph to their clen cycle to help 
> with this particular aspect of dieting?

Clen does suppress the appetite. Are you taking enough?
Why don't you try it. I think eph works for months, so take it until the
sides go, then introduce a bit of clen, upping the dose every day.

Of course, you could always try a less harsh diet. Mind you, that'd take a
bit longer wouldn't it you magic bullet seeking wanker!

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

On 2 Oct, 10:54, JD  wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:05:17 +0100, Bully wrote:
> > I'm aware of the potential benefits [and dangers] of clen one of which is
> > NOT appetite suppression. Has anyone added eph to their clen cycle to help
> > with this particular aspect of dieting?
>
> Clen does suppress the appetite. Are you taking enough?
> Why don't you try it. I think eph works for months, so take it until the
> sides go, then introduce a bit of clen, upping the dose every day.
>
> Of course, you could always try a less harsh diet. Mind you, that'd take a
> bit longer wouldn't it you magic bullet seeking wanker!
>
> --
> I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

lol... look i did actualy say it was only tested on animals..read my
posts again...as you seem to be hung up on human studies show me one
for  ....lets sat errm equipoise..ya cant fuck face ..why  because its
a veternary roid...does that mean because their is no human study that
it dont work...of course it dont...i know you cant help it
mate..retards like you usually come from a long line of gumps...i
suggest you take up new pastime something less taxing...jogging
perhaps....run forest run...

JD wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:39:19 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:
>
>> ok not my words but.........So Let´s re-examine that first point I
>> made:
>
> <snip paste from website>
>
> LMSO! I just thought I'd have a quick look for studies about the
> anabolism of clen. Google "studies on clenbuterol anabolic" threw up
> (1st hit):
>
> http://www.steroid.com/Clenbuterol.php
>
> Which is what you quoted. I presume that because you quoted it you
> believe it to be correct.
> What you failed to quote from that very same page, because you are a
> fucktard of the highest order is this little gem:
>
> "This type of dramatic anabolic effect hasn´t been confirmed in human
> studies"
>
> So, rather than seek out facts, you're just seeking confirmation of
> your existing deluded vision of reality.
> It wouldn't be so bad if you were funny. Bully gets all the funny
> cunts. I just get the cunts.

There's a reason for that!!!


-- 
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

JD wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:05:17 +0100, Bully wrote:
>
>> I'm aware of the potential benefits [and dangers] of clen one of
>> which is NOT appetite suppression. Has anyone added eph to their
>> clen cycle to help with this particular aspect of dieting?
>
> Clen does suppress the appetite. Are you taking enough?
> Why don't you try it. I think eph works for months, so take it until
> the sides go, then introduce a bit of clen, upping the dose every day.
>
> Of course, you could always try a less harsh diet.

Less harsh?

> Mind you, that'd
> take a bit longer wouldn't it you magic bullet seeking wanker!

True. Holidays are 3 weeks off now...



-- 
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:07:43 -0700, michealreid50 wrote:

> lol... look i did actualy say it was only tested on animals..read my

Yes that and that it has an anabolic effect in humans. From what I can
gather it seems to work in some animals because it targets b3 receptors
which somehow has an insulin type effect that brings nutrients etc into
the muscle. Trouble with that is that humans have few/no b3 receptors,
which is probably why it doesn't work in humans.

> posts again...as you seem to be hung up on human studies

I am at a loss for words.

> show me one for
>  ....lets sat errm equipoise..ya cant fuck face

Well you don't actually say what the study should be about, but here's one
involving humans and equipoise. I wouldn't bother following the link tho,
around 90% of the words have 4 or more syllables.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TC9-3YYV2Y4-2W&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=dc1fb222799ea124f7f0cfc2534413c1

You're boring me now. There's none so blind as those that WILL not see[1].

You are dismissed.

[1] SkyCamel.

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:29:41 +0100, Bully wrote:

> JD wrote:

>> It wouldn't be so bad if you were funny. Bully gets all the funny
>> cunts. I just get the cunts.
> 
> There's a reason for that!!!

Go on then, I'm all ears.

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet

JD wrote:

> Go on then, I'm all ears.

Yes indeed, we've seen the pictures !

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:05:02 +0100, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:

> JD wrote:
> 
>> Go on then, I'm all ears.
> 
> Yes indeed, we've seen the pictures

LMSO. Funny fucker eh?!

-- 
I did think of a naked man blowing a kiss - pet