Hi all,

I'm looking into buying a share in a group aircraft that is on a private
CofA. The person selling the share tells me I would be able to train on the
aircraft (for an IMC or Night Qualification for example) but my most recent
instructor says that the Instructor would also have to be a group member for
this to be the case.

Anyone shed any light on this? The idea of doing an IMC and Night Rating 'on
the cheap' certainly appeals!

Andy

Andy Hawkins wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm looking into buying a share in a group aircraft that is on a private
> CofA. The person selling the share tells me I would be able to train on the
> aircraft (for an IMC or Night Qualification for example) but my most recent
> instructor says that the Instructor would also have to be a group member for
> this to be the case.
> 
> Anyone shed any light on this? The idea of doing an IMC and Night Rating 'on
> the cheap' certainly appeals!
> 
> Andy
> 
You need to read ORS4 No 680, dated 28 Apr 2008

Dave

Hi,

In article ,
           NoSpam wrote:

> You need to read ORS4 No 680, dated 28 Apr 2008

I found an AIC which refers to that I think. The basic answer appears to be
'No'.

Specifically:

3) For the purposes of this Exemption, flying training or checking excludes
instruction in flying given for the purposes of becoming qualified for the
grant of a pilot's licence or the inclusion or variation of any rating in a
licence...

So it looks like I can do my 'one hour with an instructor' for the license
revalidation, but not to train for another rating.

Arse. :)

Andy

Andy Hawkins  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>In article ,
>           NoSpam wrote:
>
>> You need to read ORS4 No 680, dated 28 Apr 2008
>
>I found an AIC which refers to that I think. The basic answer appears to be
>'No'.
>
>Specifically:
>
>3) For the purposes of this Exemption, flying training or checking excludes
>instruction in flying given for the purposes of becoming qualified for the
>grant of a pilot's licence or the inclusion or variation of any rating in a
>licence...
>
>So it looks like I can do my 'one hour with an instructor' for the license
>revalidation, but not to train for another rating.
>
>Arse. :)
>
>Andy

This stuff has recently changed.

Previously, you could not train - for the initial award of a license
or a rating - in a Private CofA plane unless you or spouse owned it
outright.

This made many group owned planes unsuitable for e.g. finishing one's
PPL or IMC Rating.

Now, under EASA, the Private/Transport CofA type has gone and there is
just one CofA, and the use to which the plane can be put is according
to how it has been maintained.

This topic has been done on various pilot forums (e.g. flyer.co.uk)
and some grey areas have emerged, but it looks like there has been a
considerable relaxation of the requirements on ownership (it is now
wider than just you or spouse). I *vaguely* recall that for e.g. a
limited company owned plane, any of the Directors can now train for
say a PPL.

I don't recall the details and don't have the time to search caa.co.uk
for some AIC but this might give you a lead to check out.

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