Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN 
connector??

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

thx

"Phil Allison"  wrote in message
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>
> "Oddjob"
>
>> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>
>
> **  Yaaawnnnn  ...
>
> Not another idiot incapable of describing a simple lead.
>
>
> Maaa....ateee ....
>
> Is it one or two RCAs  ?
>
> Are they plugs or sockets  ??
>
> Is the 4 pin DIN on the END of the lead a male or a female ???
>
> Do you even know the difference......
>
> Did you win this mysterious lead in a raffle, find it on the side walk or
> does it actually  BELONG to some fucking thing  ????
>

Phil, thanks for replying so quickly. I have a pair of leads (two)

the din ends are 4 pin (male) with locking ends with rca phono plugs.

You can see a picture here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecotti/leads/mogami-1.htm

There is no need to use language like that on this newsgroup. You sound
aggressive and instantly dislikeable. You should know that Usenet is for
individuals interested in topics to discuss and glean information from other
individuals.

You obviously know so much, I wonder why you bother to subscribe to this
newsgroup.

"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
news:4fd4645212dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <WFxsk.23426$_M4.7235@newsfe18.ams2>,
>   Oddjob  wrote:
>> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>
>> The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
>> connector??
>
> Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.
>
>> Does anybody know what this is used for?
>> I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.
>
> 'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
> adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.
>

Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecotti/leads/mogami-1.htm

"Oddjob"  wrote in message 
news:Dlysk.85430$6s4.29694@newsfe14.ams2...
> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
> news:4fd4645212dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>> In article <WFxsk.23426$_M4.7235@newsfe18.ams2>,
>>   Oddjob  wrote:
>>> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>>
>>> The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
>>> connector??
>>
>> Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.
>>
>>> Does anybody know what this is used for?
>>> I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.
>>
>> 'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
>> adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.
>>
>
> Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads here:
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecotti/leads/mogami-1.htm
>
Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall ever 
having seen a 4 pin one.
How did you come by it?

S.
-- 
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

"Serge Auckland"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Oddjob"  wrote in message 
> news:Dlysk.85430$6s4.29694@newsfe14.ams2...
>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
>> news:4fd4645212dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>> In article <WFxsk.23426$_M4.7235@newsfe18.ams2>,
>>>   Oddjob  wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>>>
>>>> The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
>>>> connector??
>>>
>>> Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.
>>>
>>>> Does anybody know what this is used for?
>>>> I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.
>>>
>>> 'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
>>> adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads here:
>>
>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecotti/leads/mogami-1.htm
>>
> Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall ever 
> having seen a 4 pin one.
> How did you come by it?
>
I picked up a few leads at a local auction. There was also some Naim 
equipment that I didn't manage to purchase. I was thinking it was for Naim 
or perhaps Linn gear. The cable is Neglex 2534 microphone cable made by 
Mogami.

What is Tuchel?

"Oddjob"
 "Phil Allison"
>
>>> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>>
>>
>> **  Yaaawnnnn  ...
>>
>> Not another idiot incapable of describing a simple lead.
>>
>>
>> Maaa....ateee ....
>>
>> Is it one or two RCAs  ?
>>
>> Are they plugs or sockets  ??
>>
>> Is the 4 pin DIN on the END of the lead a male or a female ???
>>
>> Do you even know the difference......
>>
>> Did you win this mysterious lead in a raffle, find it on the side walk or
>> does it actually  BELONG to some fucking thing  ????
>>
>
> Phil, thanks for replying so quickly. I have a pair of leads (two)
>
> the din ends are 4 pin (male) with locking ends with rca phono plugs.


**  WRONG.


> You can see a picture here:
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecotti/leads/mogami-1.htm


**  I see a pair of **single ** RCA plug to 4 pin DIN leads.

     Fuck knows how they are wired.


> There is no need to use language like that on this newsgroup.


**  ANONYMOUS,   TIME   WASTING,    FUCKWIT  TROLLS   like   YOU

ABSOLUTELY   do   *** NOT  ***  get to say what needs exist anywhere.

I repeat :

Did you win these mysterious lead in a raffle, find them on the side walk or
do they it actually  BELONG  to some fucking thing  ????

And if you have no bloody idea  -

how the fuck would YOU be one tad better of by knowing  ???




.....    Phil

Phil, I think you have a serious personality disorder.

"Oddjob"


**  I think you are yet another

boring as bat shit,

pathetic attention seeking,

narcissistic,  fucking  PITA  AUDIOPHOOL

ASININE    TROLLING     FUCKWIT.


Without the slightest doubt.





....    Phil

"Oddjob"  wrote in message 
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> "Serge Auckland"  wrote in message 
> news:F-WdndQVzMW5KS_VnZ2dnUVZ8tjinZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Oddjob"  wrote in message 
>> news:Dlysk.85430$6s4.29694@newsfe14.ams2...
>>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
>>> news:4fd4645212dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>>> In article <WFxsk.23426$_M4.7235@newsfe18.ams2>,
>>>>   Oddjob  wrote:
>>>>> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>>>>
>>>>> The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
>>>>> connector??
>>>>
>>>> Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.
>>>>
>>>>> Does anybody know what this is used for?
>>>>> I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.
>>>>
>>>> 'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
>>>> adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads here:
>>>
>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecotti/leads/mogami-1.htm
>>>
>> Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall ever 
>> having seen a 4 pin one.
>> How did you come by it?
>>
> I picked up a few leads at a local auction. There was also some Naim 
> equipment that I didn't manage to purchase. I was thinking it was for Naim 
> or perhaps Linn gear. The cable is Neglex 2534 microphone cable made by 
> Mogami.
>
> What is Tuchel?
>
>
Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol 
http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a number 
of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as video camera 
connectors as they were available with many pins, not just four. They also 
had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used in German studio 
jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6 poles, so could be 
used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK we've always used the 
Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several variants (A Gauge, B Gauge, 
Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or balanced mono.

It looks like someone has made up some adapter cables between Tuchel and 
phono, but what for, who knows.
S.
-- 
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

"Serge Auckland"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Oddjob"  wrote in message 
> news:_Cysk.85539$6s4.40156@newsfe14.ams2...
>> "Serge Auckland"  wrote in message 
>> news:F-WdndQVzMW5KS_VnZ2dnUVZ8tjinZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "Oddjob"  wrote in message 
>>> news:Dlysk.85430$6s4.29694@newsfe14.ams2...
>>>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:4fd4645212dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>>>> In article <WFxsk.23426$_M4.7235@newsfe18.ams2>,
>>>>>   Oddjob  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
>>>>>> connector??
>>>>>
>>>>> Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody know what this is used for?
>>>>>> I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application 
>>>>> an
>>>>> adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads here:
>>>>
>>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecotti/leads/mogami-1.htm
>>>>
>>> Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall 
>>> ever having seen a 4 pin one.
>>> How did you come by it?
>>>
>> I picked up a few leads at a local auction. There was also some Naim 
>> equipment that I didn't manage to purchase. I was thinking it was for 
>> Naim or perhaps Linn gear. The cable is Neglex 2534 microphone cable made 
>> by Mogami.
>>
>> What is Tuchel?
>>
>>
> Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol 
> http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
> They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a 
> number of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as 
> video camera connectors as they were available with many pins, not just 
> four. They also had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used 
> in German studio jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6 
> poles, so could be used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK 
> we've always used the Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several variants 
> (A Gauge, B Gauge, Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or 
> balanced mono.
>
> It looks like someone has made up some adapter cables between Tuchel and 
> phono, but what for, who knows.
> S.
> -- 
> http://audiopages.googlepages.com
By the way, these connectors are shown on the web site above, and they are 
compatible with DIN connectors.
S.

-- 
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>>>>> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
>>>>>> connector??
>>>>>
>>>>> Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody know what this is used for?
>>>>>> I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application 
>>>>> an
>>>>> adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads here:
>>>>
>>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecotti/leads/mogami-1.htm
>>>>
>>> Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall 
>>> ever having seen a 4 pin one.
>>> How did you come by it?
>>>
>> I picked up a few leads at a local auction. There was also some Naim 
>> equipment that I didn't manage to purchase. I was thinking it was for 
>> Naim or perhaps Linn gear. The cable is Neglex 2534 microphone cable made 
>> by Mogami.
>>
>> What is Tuchel?
>>
>>
> Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol 
> http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
> They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a 
> number of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as 
> video camera connectors as they were available with many pins, not just 
> four. They also had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used 
> in German studio jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6 
> poles, so could be used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK 
> we've always used the Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several variants 
> (A Gauge, B Gauge, Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or 
> balanced mono.
>
> It looks like someone has made up some adapter cables between Tuchel and 
> phono, but what for, who knows.

Thanks for that Serge, I've done some more searching and I'm coming to the 
conclusion that the lead may be for connecting Naim equipment to non-Naim 
equipment.
I believe that some older Naim gear used 4 pin DIN connectors. The leads 
that I bought were possibly from a bankrupt audio shop or dealer and would 
have been useful for demoing different equipment. Naim produce a Snaic 4 
lead for something??

"Serge Auckland"  wrote in message
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>
> "Oddjob"  wrote in message

>> What is Tuchel?
>>
>>
> Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol
> http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
> They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a
> number of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as
> video camera connectors as they were available with many pins, not just
> four. They also had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used
> in German studio jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6
> poles, so could be used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK
> we've always used the Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several variants
> (A Gauge, B Gauge, Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or
> balanced mono.
>

The ability to have a pair of balanced inputs or one set of inputs
and outputs on one connector, made the Tuchel versatile.
You could patch  the input and output of a compressor
with just one cable.   In addition, the blades which made
up the conducting surface on the female socket
were spring  loaded so pushing in the connector performed
a cleaning action. They were incredibly reliable.

Iain

"Iain Churches"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> "Serge Auckland"  wrote in message
> news:YoKdneikWMakUi_VnZ2dnUVZ8qPinZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Oddjob"  wrote in message
>
>>> What is Tuchel?
>>>
>>>
>> Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol
>> http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
>> They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a
>> number of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as
>> video camera connectors as they were available with many pins, not just
>> four. They also had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used
>> in German studio jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6
>> poles, so could be used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK
>> we've always used the Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several 
>> variants
>> (A Gauge, B Gauge, Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or
>> balanced mono.
>>
>
> The ability to have a pair of balanced inputs or one set of inputs
> and outputs on one connector, made the Tuchel versatile.
> You could patch  the input and output of a compressor
> with just one cable.   In addition, the blades which made
> up the conducting surface on the female socket
> were spring  loaded so pushing in the connector performed
> a cleaning action. They were incredibly reliable.
>
> Iain
>
>
>
Yes they were, but the benefit of half-normalled jackfields (or even fully 
normalled) to my mind outweighed the benefits of the Tuchel. It's 
interesting (at least to me who's a bit strange in these matters) that the 
BBC have chosen the Swiss Ghielmetti patch panels that provide similar 
reliability to the Tuchel, plus the ability to insert and/or monitor on the 
same panel like a normalled or semi-normalled PO jackfield. These are now in 
use at Bush House and the refurbished Broadcasting House.

S.
-- 
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

>> There is no need to use language like that on this newsgroup.
>
>
>**  ANONYMOUS,   TIME   WASTING,    FUCKWIT  TROLLS   like   YOU
>
>ABSOLUTELY   do   *** NOT  ***  get to say what needs exist anywhere.
>
>I repeat :
>
>Did you win these mysterious lead in a raffle, find them on the side walk or
>do they it actually  BELONG  to some fucking thing  ????
>
>And if you have no bloody idea  -
>
>how the fuck would YOU be one tad better of by knowing  ???
>
>
>
>
>.....    Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ummmm.. That was a "polite" reply originally...

 now you've got him started!...
-- 
Tony Sayer

In article <CtAsk.31265$3s.13298@newsfe10.ams2>,
   Oddjob  wrote:
> I believe that some older Naim gear used 4 pin DIN connectors. The leads
> that I bought were possibly from a bankrupt audio shop or dealer and
> would have been useful for demoing different equipment. Naim produce a
> Snaic 4 lead for something??

Naim did indeed use 4 pin connectors on their early gear and IIRC it was
ring locking DIN - which would also mate with ordinary DIN plugs. There's
a third type with a latch - similar to XLRs. But I'm pretty certain it was
the same as Quad - stereo - on the one I remember which was an NAP 250. Of
course they may have used the same connector on their later mono amps.
Naim never did use logic. ;-)

-- 
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Oddjob"  wrote in message 
news:WFxsk.23426$_M4.7235@newsfe18.ams2...
> Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.
>
> The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN 
> connector??
>
> Does anybody know what this is used for?
> I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.
>
> thx
>
>
4-pin DIN was used by Quad and Naim some years ago, and I think some B&O. 
Could be an adaptor to use between one of these and any other manufacturer's 
kit.

GMac

"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
news:4fd4cc8a6cdave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <CtAsk.31265$3s.13298@newsfe10.ams2>,

> Naim did indeed use 4 pin connectors on their early gear and IIRC it was
> ring locking DIN - which would also mate with ordinary DIN plugs. There's
> a third type with a latch - similar to XLRs. But I'm pretty certain it was
> the same as Quad - stereo - on the one I remember which was an NAP 250. Of
> course they may have used the same connector on their later mono amps.
> Naim never did use logic. ;-)

A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Iain

In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
   Iain Churches  wrote:
> A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
> connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
> I have sen them used on several occasions
> in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

-- 
*Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
news:4fd4e89846dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>   Iain Churches  wrote:
>> A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
>> connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
>> I have sen them used on several occasions
>> in this application.
>
> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
>
> -- 
> *Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam
>
>    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
>                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Yes they are, and it's always been a surprise to me that with all the 
audiophoolery over balanced outputs for CD players, pre-amp to power amp 
etc, the one input that could usefully be balanced even in a domestic 
environment, i.e. the phono input, never is, even in audiophool high-end 
equipment.

S.

-- 
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

"Serge Auckland"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
> news:4fd4e89846dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>   Iain Churches  wrote:
>>> A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
>>> connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
>>> I have sen them used on several occasions
>>> in this application.
>>
>> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
>>
>> -- 
>> *Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam
>>
>>    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
>>                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.
>
> Yes they are, and it's always been a surprise to me that with all the 
> audiophoolery over balanced outputs for CD players, pre-amp to power amp 
> etc, the one input that could usefully be balanced even in a domestic 
> environment, i.e. the phono input, never is, even in audiophool high-end 
> equipment.
>
> S.
When I built the Ben Duncan/Audio Synthesis a few years ago there was the 
option of balanced or unbalanced for the phono stage.  I opted for balanced 
but of course never had the chance to compare with unbalanced so don't know 
if it made any difference to the sound.  Just seemed like a good idea at the 
time....

GMac

"Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
news:4fd4e89846dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>   Iain Churches  wrote:
>> A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
>> connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
>> I have sen them used on several occasions
>> in this application.
>
> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
and brought out on an RCA phono connector
except on some broadcast turntables.

Iain

"Iain Churches"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
> news:4fd4e89846dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>   Iain Churches  wrote:
>>> A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
>>> connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
>>> I have sen them used on several occasions
>>> in this application.
>>
>> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
>
> Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
> and brought out on an RCA phono connector
> except on some broadcast turntables.
>
> Iain
>

Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector 
(often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using 
balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".

S.
-- 
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

"Serge Auckland"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Iain Churches"  wrote in message 
> news:fvWsk.55924$_03.34680@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>
>>
>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
>> news:4fd4e89846dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>>   Iain Churches  wrote:
>>>> A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
>>>> connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
>>>> I have sen them used on several occasions
>>>> in this application.
>>>
>>> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
>>
>> Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
>> and brought out on an RCA phono connector
>> except on some broadcast turntables.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>
> Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector 
> (often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using 
> balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".
>
> S.
> -- 
 Sounds familiar - I recall David Heaton (Audio Synthesis) did some rewiring 
on the arm leadout - SME IV - to suit the balanced input on my AMP02.

GMac

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> "Iain Churches"  wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
>> news:4fd4e89846dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>>   Iain Churches  wrote:
>>>> A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
>>>> connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
>>>> I have sen them used on several occasions
>>>> in this application.
>>>
>>> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
>>
>> Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
>> and brought out on an RCA phono connector
>> except on some broadcast turntables.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>
> Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
> (often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
> balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".
>
Those miniature XLRs are nifty too, but expensive
Iain

Oddjob  wrote... 

> 
> Does anybody know what this is used for?
> I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

Flashback Sales specialise in Quad/Naim/DIN cables
 a description of your set can be found on the website 
at.

http://www.flashbacksales.co.uk/

-- 
Ken

http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/buddyduck/

In article , Serge Auckland
 scribeth thus
>
>"Iain Churches"  wrote in message 
>news:fvWsk.55924$_03.34680@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...
>>
>>
>> "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message
>> news:4fd4e89846dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>>> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
>>>   Iain Churches  wrote:
>>>> A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
>>>> connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
>>>> I have sen them used on several occasions
>>>> in this application.
>>>
>>> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
>>
>> Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
>> and brought out on an RCA phono connector
>> except on some broadcast turntables.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>
>Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector 
>(often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using 
>balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".
>
>S.

Didn't they use to make a disc reproducer at Pye TVT back in ummm.. 1970
ish that was balanced with a transformer input, or was that a tad before
when U were there?...
-- 
Tony Sayer

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
 wrote:
> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>, Iain
>    Churches  wrote:
> > A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good connector for a balanced phono
> > cartridge. I have sen them used on several occasions in this
> > application.

> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Do any of them include an electrostatic screen linked to one of the leads?
I can't recall any, but the above makes me wonder.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Serge Auckland
 wrote:


> Yes they are, and it's always been a surprise to me that with all the
> audiophoolery over balanced outputs for CD players, pre-amp to power amp
> etc, the one input that could usefully be balanced even in a domestic
> environment, i.e. the phono input, never is, even in audiophool high-end
> equipment.

Perhaps the problem here is that to really make use of balanced operation
you'd need to avoid using conventional coax and a phono/RCA socket.
Otherwise you are trying to use a balanced/symmetric source with a cable
geometry which isn't symmetric.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jim Lesurf"  wrote in message 
news:4fd554db73noise@audiomisc.co.uk...
> In article , Dave Plowman (News)
>  wrote:
>> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>, Iain
>>    Churches  wrote:
>> > A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good connector for a balanced phono
>> > cartridge. I have sen them used on several occasions in this
>> > application.
>
>> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
>
> Do any of them include an electrostatic screen linked to one of the leads?
> I can't recall any, but the above makes me wonder.
>
> Slainte,
>
> Jim
>
> -- 
> Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me.
> Electronics 
> http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
> Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
> Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
>
The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to the 
left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity to 
the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the tag, 
the cartridge is then balanced. I don't know about other makes of cartridge, 
they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would 
then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be 
balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be 
balanced devices.

S.
-- 
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

"Jim Lesurf"


> Perhaps the problem here is that to really make use of balanced operation


** So what  IS  the use of a " balanced " connection for a  phono pickup ??

  ( And of high Z off all stupid things)

 Please do not say it reduces noise or hum -  cos that is total bollocks.




...   Phil

"Serge Auckland"

>
> The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to the 
> left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity to 
> the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the 
> tag, the cartridge is then balanced.


**  Nonsense -   with no earth link, the two coils become merely "floating".


I don't know about other makes of cartridge,
> they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would 
> then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be 
> balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be 
> balanced devices.


** The correct term is  " floating ".

 Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc, 
etc.



.....   Phil

On 26/08/08 20:02, in article
IyXsk.55983$_03.47064@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi, "Iain Churches"
 wrote:

(...)
>> 
>> Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
>> (often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
>> balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".
>> 
> Those miniature XLRs are nifty too, but expensive

Expensive? They're less than 5 Euro/piece.

Nice but expensive are LEMO connectors.

-- 
Joe Kotroczo                                  kotroczo@mac.com

Phil Allison wrote:
> 
> "Serge Auckland"
> 
> >
> > The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to the
> > left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity to
> > the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the
> > tag, the cartridge is then balanced.
> 
> **  Nonsense -   with no earth link, the two coils become merely "floating".
> 
> I don't know about other makes of cartridge,
> > they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would
> > then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be
> > balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be
> > balanced devices.
> 
> ** The correct term is  " floating ".
> 
>  Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
> etc.
> 
> .....   Phil

Phil, 

Your'e right.

One might make use of a floating winding to give a balanced input
source,
if you have say 22k + 22k resistors at the amp to terminate the MM cart
winding.
The R join of the R taken to 0V,
and the two oppositely phased signals at the live ends of the R are
taken to 
a pair of amp inputs, with the amp operating as a differential pair.

Noise and hum isn't always reduced if this way is used to connect an MM
cart to an amp......

Patrick Turner.

Serge Auckland wrote:
> 
> "Jim Lesurf"  wrote in message
> news:4fd554db73noise@audiomisc.co.uk...
> > In article , Dave Plowman (News)
> >  wrote:
> >> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>, Iain
> >>    Churches  wrote:
> >> > A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good connector for a balanced phono
> >> > cartridge. I have sen them used on several occasions in this
> >> > application.
> >
> >> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
> >
> > Do any of them include an electrostatic screen linked to one of the leads?
> > I can't recall any, but the above makes me wonder.
> >
> > Slainte,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --
> > Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me.
> > Electronics
> > http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
> > Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
> > Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
> >
> The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to the
> left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity to
> the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the tag,
> the cartridge is then balanced. I don't know about other makes of cartridge,
> they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would
> then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be
> balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be
> balanced devices.

Your'e not distinguishing the difference between balanced and floating.

You might use a floating winding that has no part of it directly
connected to a ground anywhere
to make a balanced connection with an R divider at an amp.

Balanced does not always give better hi-fi.

And balanced was first used in telephones, to reduce noise over long
distances.
Twisted pairs and common mode rejection etc.

It makes little difference to noise over 2 metres if you know how to rig
a normal
unbalanced phono input.

Patrick Turner.


 
> 
> S.
> --
> http://audiopages.googlepages.com

In article ,
   Patrick Turner  wrote:
> Balanced does not always give better hi-fi.

 But will have been used at least somewhere on the material you listen to
- all reasonable quality microphones are balanced as are the inputs and
outputs on the rest of the chain. Ignoring digital throughout - as most
do. 

> And balanced was first used in telephones, to reduce noise over long
> distances.
> Twisted pairs and common mode rejection etc.

> It makes little difference to noise over 2 metres if you know how to rig
> a normal
> unbalanced phono input.

Hopefully.

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                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Patrick Turner"  wrote in message 
news:48B7D9AA.E7F1D885@turneraudio.com.au...
>
>
> Serge Auckland wrote:
>>
>> "Jim Lesurf"  wrote in message
>> news:4fd554db73noise@audiomisc.co.uk...
>> > In article , Dave Plowman (News)
>> >  wrote:
>> >> In article <OmPsk.55734$_03.47088@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>, Iain
>> >>    Churches  wrote:
>> >> > A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good connector for a balanced phono
>> >> > cartridge. I have sen them used on several occasions in this
>> >> > application.
>> >
>> >> Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?
>> >
>> > Do any of them include an electrostatic screen linked to one of the 
>> > leads?
>> > I can't recall any, but the above makes me wonder.
>> >
>> > Slainte,
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> > --
>> > Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me.
>> > Electronics
>> > http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
>> > Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
>> > Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
>> >
>> The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to 
>> the
>> left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity 
>> to
>> the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the 
>> tag,
>> the cartridge is then balanced. I don't know about other makes of 
>> cartridge,
>> they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would
>> then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be
>> balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be
>> balanced devices.
>
> Your'e not distinguishing the difference between balanced and floating.
>
> You might use a floating winding that has no part of it directly
> connected to a ground anywhere
> to make a balanced connection with an R divider at an amp.
>
> Balanced does not always give better hi-fi.
>
> And balanced was first used in telephones, to reduce noise over long
> distances.
> Twisted pairs and common mode rejection etc.
>
> It makes little difference to noise over 2 metres if you know how to rig
> a normal
> unbalanced phono input.
>
> Patrick Turner.
>


I'm referring to the common Hi-Fi practice of taking a cartridge, which, 
agreed is normally floating, into an unbalanced input. The floating 
cartridge is also usually pretty well balanced, especially in the case of 
moving-coils. Moving Magnets may not be quite so well balanced as the 
physical size of the coils will often make one end of coils nearer the 
screening can than the other, but nevertheless, they can be considered as 
balanced, floating devices for practical purposes. - Try centre-tapped 
terminating the coils, and taking the output between the centre-tap and 
screening can to see the out-of-balance. I would suggest it will be very 
low, and confined to very high-frequencies as the unbalance will be 
capacitative.

I fully agree that balance doesn't necessarily give better hi-fi, but as 
with microphone circuits, it's good practice to balance low-level signals 
where this is possible. Given that a cartridge is essentially a balanced 
device, I would have thought that the High-End Audiophool community would 
have latched on to balanced phono circuits, rather than the rather less 
beneficial balanced CD inputs, or pre-power amp links. It goes to show that 
the HEAP community hasn't the first idea of engineering principles.

S.



-- 
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"Joe Kotroczo"  wrote in message
news:C4DF6865.61E5C%kotroczo@mac.com...
> On 26/08/08 20:02, in article
> IyXsk.55983$_03.47064@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi, "Iain Churches"
>  wrote:
>
> (...)
>>>
>>> Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
>>> (often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
>>> balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".
>>>
>> Those miniature XLRs are nifty too, but expensive
>
> Expensive? They're less than 5 Euro/piece.
>
I don't mean the standard XLR but the miniature type.

A DIN connector is about Euro 0.015

"Serge Auckland"

>
> I'm referring to the common Hi-Fi practice of taking a cartridge, which, 
> agreed is normally floating, into an unbalanced input. The floating 
> cartridge is also usually pretty well balanced,


**  Utterly meaningless drivel  -  the correct term is  " floating ".
Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
etc.


> Moving Magnets may not be quite so well balanced as the physical size of 
> the coils will often make one end of coils nearer the screening can than 
> the other, but nevertheless, they can be considered as balanced, floating 
> devices for practical purposes.


** Utterly meaningless drivel  -  the correct term is  " floating ".
Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
etc.


> I fully agree that balance doesn't necessarily give better hi-fi, but as 
> with microphone circuits, it's good practice to balance low-level signals 
> where this is possible.


** More pseudo religious, anti-scientific drivel.

  Par for the course for this trolling pommy wanker.


> Given that a cartridge is essentially a balanced device,


** Utterly meaningless drivel  -  the correct term is  " floating ".
Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
etc.


> I would have thought that the High-End Audiophool community would have 
> latched on to balanced phono circuits,

** Not even possible  -  for the damn obvious reasons that normal tone arm 
leads preclude it.


> rather than the rather less beneficial balanced CD inputs, or pre-power 
> amp links. It goes to show that the HEAP community hasn't the first idea 
> of engineering principles.


** Nor have utter fuckwits like YOU  -   pal.




.....   Phil

In article <ZMPuk.59000$_03.42566@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
   Iain Churches  wrote:
> >> Those miniature XLRs are nifty too, but expensive
> >
> > Expensive? They're less than 5 Euro/piece.
> >
> I don't mean the standard XLR but the miniature type.

> A DIN connector is about Euro 0.015

And not worth even that. ;-)

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In article ,
   Phil Allison  wrote:
> > I'm referring to the common Hi-Fi practice of taking a cartridge,
> > which, agreed is normally floating, into an unbalanced input. The
> > floating cartridge is also usually pretty well balanced,


> **  Utterly meaningless drivel  -  the correct term is  " floating ".
> Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables
> etc, etc.

Then there is no such thing as a dynamic balance output microphone.

But of course you're wrong - again.

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                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (UTTER  MORON )"

>> > I'm referring to the common Hi-Fi practice of taking a cartridge,
>> > which, agreed is normally floating, into an unbalanced input. The
>> > floating cartridge is also usually pretty well balanced,
>
>
>> **  Utterly meaningless drivel  -  the correct term is  " floating ".
>> Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables
>> etc, etc.
>
> Then there is no such thing as a dynamic balance output microphone.


**  Dynamic " balanced " mics are simply floating signal sources.

Unbalanced mics have one signal connection in common with the earth or 
case/handle of the mic.

There is no other distinction,

 -   you pig ignorant, insufferable, congenital pommy ASS.





.....    Phil

"Phil Allison"  wrote in message 
news:6i21bsFo3ni2U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
> ** Not even possible  -  for the damn obvious reasons that normal tone arm 
> leads preclude it.
>

Most tone-arm wiring that I've seen uses an thin, unscreened wires, two per 
channel twisted together. This would suit balanced operation rather better 
than unbalanced.

David.

In article ,
   Phil Allison  wrote:
> >> > I'm referring to the common Hi-Fi practice of taking a cartridge,
> >> > which, agreed is normally floating, into an unbalanced input. The
> >> > floating cartridge is also usually pretty well balanced,
> >
> >
> >> **  Utterly meaningless drivel  -  the correct term is  " floating ".
> >> Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables
> >> etc, etc.
> >
> > Then there is no such thing as a dynamic balance output microphone.

> **  Dynamic " balanced " mics are simply floating signal sources.

Exactly the same as many pickup cartridges, then. 

> Unbalanced mics have one signal connection in common with the earth or 
> case/handle of the mic.

Or ground, even.

> There is no other distinction,

Most unbalanced mics are also high impedance - saving the cost of an
output transformer etc. 

>  -   you pig ignorant, insufferable, congenital pommy ASS.

Isn't it about time you learned some new insults?

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"Dave Plowman ( TOTAL MORON )

>  Phil Allison
>
>> >> > I'm referring to the common Hi-Fi practice of taking a cartridge,
>> >> > which, agreed is normally floating, into an unbalanced input. The
>> >> > floating cartridge is also usually pretty well balanced,
>> >
>> >
>> >> **  Utterly meaningless drivel  -  the correct term is  " floating ".
>> >> Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables
>> >> etc, etc.
>> >
>> > Then there is no such thing as a dynamic balance output microphone.
>
>> **  Dynamic " balanced " mics are simply floating signal sources.
>
> Exactly the same as many pickup cartridges, then.


**  You are going round in tiny circles  -  fuckwit.


>> Unbalanced mics have one signal connection in common with the earth or
>> case/handle of the mic.
>
>> There is no other distinction,
>
> Most unbalanced mics are also high impedance - saving the cost of an
> output transformer etc.


** ROTFLMAO  !!!

Wot a know nothing  IDIOT.

 It is high impedance mics that have a transfomer

  -   you pig ignorant, insufferable, congenital pommy ASS.




......   Phil

"David Looser"
> "Phil Allison"
>>
>>
>> ** Not even possible  -  for the damn obvious reasons that normal tone 
>> arm leads preclude it.
>>
>
> Most tone-arm wiring that I've seen uses an thin, unscreened wires, two 
> per channel twisted together. This would suit balanced operation rather 
> better than unbalanced.

**  A tone arm lead is what I wrote.

 That is a thing abut 1 metre long with 2 RCAs one end and a five pin plug 
on the other.



......   Phil

"Phil Allison"  wrote in message 
news:6i3c8sFom460U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "David Looser"
>> "Phil Allison"
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Not even possible  -  for the damn obvious reasons that normal tone 
>>> arm leads preclude it.
>>>
>>
>> Most tone-arm wiring that I've seen uses an thin, unscreened wires, two 
>> per channel twisted together. This would suit balanced operation rather 
>> better than unbalanced.
>
> **  A tone arm lead is what I wrote.
>
> That is a thing abut 1 metre long with 2 RCAs one end and a five pin plug 
> on the other.
>
And *very* easy to change for one more suitable for balanced operation if 
desired.

David.

"David Poser"
>>
>>>>
>>>> ** Not even possible  -  for the damn obvious reasons that normal tone 
>>>> arm leads preclude it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Most tone-arm wiring that I've seen uses an thin, unscreened wires, two 
>>> per channel twisted together. This would suit balanced operation rather 
>>> better than unbalanced.
>>
>> **  A tone arm lead is what I wrote.
>>
>> That is a thing abut 1 metre long with 2 RCAs one end and a five pin plug 
>> on the other.
>>
> And *very* easy to change for one more suitable for balanced operation if 
> desired.


** Another blatant  LIE.

Stock in trade for this know nothing, pommy  charlatan.



......    Phil

"Phil Allison"  wrote in message 
news:6i4fauFociccU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "David Poser"
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ** Not even possible  -  for the damn obvious reasons that normal tone 
>>>>> arm leads preclude it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most tone-arm wiring that I've seen uses an thin, unscreened wires, two 
>>>> per channel twisted together. This would suit balanced operation rather 
>>>> better than unbalanced.
>>>
>>> **  A tone arm lead is what I wrote.
>>>
>>> That is a thing abut 1 metre long with 2 RCAs one end and a five pin 
>>> plug on the other.
>>>
>> And *very* easy to change for one more suitable for balanced operation if 
>> desired.
>
>
> ** Another blatant  LIE.
>

So, are you incapable of unplugging one 5-pin plug and plugging in another 
one?

David.

In article ,
   Phil Allison  wrote:
> > Most unbalanced mics are also high impedance - saving the cost of an
> > output transformer etc.


> ** ROTFLMAO  !!!

> Wot a know nothing  IDIOT.

>  It is high impedance mics that have a transformer

Yet another thing you know nothing about. Some do - some don't.

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On 1/09/08 12:51, in article
ZMPuk.59000$_03.42566@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi, "Iain Churches"
 wrote:

> "Joe Kotroczo"  wrote in message
> news:C4DF6865.61E5C%kotroczo@mac.com...
>> On 26/08/08 20:02, in article
>> IyXsk.55983$_03.47064@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi, "Iain Churches"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> (...)
>>>> 
>>>> Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
>>>> (often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
>>>> balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".
>>>> 
>>> Those miniature XLRs are nifty too, but expensive
>> 
>> Expensive? They're less than 5 Euro/piece.
>> 
> I don't mean the standard XLR but the miniature type.

Me too. A standard XLR is a lot less.

> A DIN connector is about Euro 0.015

If you buy them bulk, maybe. But I bet you can't point out an online retail
site that sells them for that price.

-- 
Joe Kotroczo                                  kotroczo@mac.com

"Joe Kotroczo"  wrote in message 
news:C4E2EBF0.62352%kotroczo@mac.com...
>
>> A DIN connector is about Euro 0.015
>
> If you buy them bulk, maybe. But I bet you can't point out an online 
> retail
> site that sells them for that price.
>

There are DIN plugs and DIN plugs. The price given is for the cheap ones. 
Decent ones (and there are decent ones) cost appreciably more.

David.

"Dave Plowman (NUTCASE & LIAR) "
>
>  Phil Allison
>>
>> > Most unbalanced mics are also high impedance - saving the cost of an
>> > output transformer etc.
>
>
>> ** ROTFLMAO  !!!
>
>> Wot a know nothing  IDIOT.
>
>> It is high impedance mics that have a transformer...
>
> Yet another thing you know nothing about.


** Strange how I have all the facts 100%  right and  YOU have them all 100% 
WRONG  !!!


>  Some do - some don't.


**  Shame how you have demonstrated no clue whatever about what is what or 
which is which then.

But a completely  IGNORANT  ASS  like Plowman the Prick has no fucking idea 
about any audio technology.



......   Phil

"David Tosser the Master Bator "



>>>>>> ** Not even possible  -  for the damn obvious reasons that normal 
>>>>>> tone arm leads preclude it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Most tone-arm wiring that I've seen uses an thin, unscreened wires, 
>>>>> two per channel twisted together. This would suit balanced operation 
>>>>> rather better than unbalanced.
>>>>
>>>> **  A tone arm lead is what I wrote.
>>>>
>>>> That is a thing abut 1 metre long with 2 RCAs one end and a five pin 
>>>> plug on the other.
>>>>
>>> And *very* easy to change for one more suitable for balanced operation 
>>> if desired.
>>
>>
>> ** Another blatant  LIE.
>>
>
> So, are you incapable of unplugging one 5-pin plug and plugging in another 
> one?


**  Yaaaaaawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..........

 God this know nothing, lying pommy wanker takes an age to say absolutely 
nothing.




.......   Phil

In article ,
   Phil Allison  wrote:
> >> It is high impedance mics that have a transformer...
> >
> > Yet another thing you know nothing about.


> ** Strange how I have all the facts 100%  right and  YOU have them all
> 100% WRONG  !!!


> >  Some do - some don't.


> **  Shame how you have demonstrated no clue whatever about what is what
> or which is which then.

> But a completely  IGNORANT  ASS  like Plowman the Prick has no fucking
> idea about any audio technology.

You've never seen a high impedance mic without a transformer?
Yet another way your education is sadly lacking.
Never mind - there's still time before you get out of first grade.

-- 
*If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (Criminal Nutter )

>   Phil Allison
>>
>> >> It is high impedance mics that have a transformer...
>> >
>> > Yet another thing you know nothing about.
>
>
>> ** Strange how I have all the facts 100%  right and  YOU have them all
>> 100% WRONG  !!!
>
>
>> >  Some do - some don't.
>
>
>> **  Shame how you have demonstrated no clue whatever about what is what
>> or which is which then.
>
>> But a completely  IGNORANT  ASS  like Plowman the Prick has no fucking
>> idea about any audio technology.
>
> You've never seen a high impedance mic without a transformer?


** You said:

" Most unbalanced mics are also high impedance - saving the cost of an
output transformer etc.  "

But you have made no attempt to justify it.

Cos it is 100%  BOLLOCKS.




......    Phil

In article ,
   Phil Allison  wrote:
> > You've never seen a high impedance mic without a transformer?


> ** You said:

> " Most unbalanced mics are also high impedance - saving the cost of an
> output transformer etc.  "

> But you have made no attempt to justify it.

I don't need to.

Nor can you prove me wrong since you couldn't possibly have data about
every single mic ever made. But of course as usual you didn't think before
posting.

-- 
*Rehab is for quitters

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 2/09/08 18:06, in article 4fd894aeefdave@davenoise.co.uk, "Dave Plowman
(News)"  wrote:

> In article ,
>    Phil Allison  wrote:
>>> You've never seen a high impedance mic without a transformer?
> 
> 
>> ** You said:
> 
>> " Most unbalanced mics are also high impedance - saving the cost of an
>> output transformer etc.  "
> 
>> But you have made no attempt to justify it.
> 
> I don't need to.
> 
> Nor can you prove me wrong since you couldn't possibly have data about
> every single mic ever made. But of course as usual you didn't think before
> posting.

LOL.

http://www.microphone-data.com/


-- 
Joe Kotroczo                                  kotroczo@mac.com

In article <C4E3549B.6249B%kotroczo@mac.com>,
   Joe Kotroczo  wrote:
> > Nor can you prove me wrong since you couldn't possibly have data about
> > every single mic ever made. But of course as usual you didn't think
> > before posting.

> LOL.

> http://www.microphone-data.com/

That's a guide (which I know very well) to mainly professional types. And
professional mics are rarely unbalanced.

-- 
He who laughs last, thinks slowest*

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (NUTCASE) "
>  Phil Allison

>
>> ** You said:
>
>> " Most unbalanced mics are also high impedance - saving the cost of an
>> output transformer etc.  "
>
>> But you have made no attempt to justify it.
>>
>> Cos it is 100%  BOLLOCKS.
>
> I don't need to.

**  Blatant  LIE.


> Nor can you prove me wrong since you couldn't possibly have data about
> every single mic ever made.

**  Pure  IDIOCY.

   Classic autistic false logic.



   ......   Phil