Hi,

I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
usually carries salmonella.

Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

--
http://www.richdavies.com
http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>> every week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>

  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only top 
ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

Salts, calcium carbonate, "messenger" hormones controlling growth rates from 
the fish and many other pollutants would increase over time without water 
changes using water treated to strip out chlorine and heavy metals.

It is down to the hardiness of the common goldfish that gives rise to all 
those "stick the fish in a bowl of tap water while you scrub out the tank 
once a year" and the practices of lots or careless fishkeepers who stress 
their fish (giving rise to disease, it's not normal for fish to regularly 
die as many seems ready to accept) that give rise to the "I never did water 
changes" stories too.

You are really a "water keeper", keeping the system within certain limits of 
hardness and nitrate load to match the water from the part of the world your 
preferred fish hail from.

Also, the water coming out of the tank is nutrient rich and is great for 
houseplants and food crops. I always used it. Plus, as someone else has 
said, swallowed quite a bit too.

More here http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/wchanges.htm

Les

> I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been
>> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and
>> strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>>
>> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium
>> water usually carries salmonella.
>>
>> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

-- 
Remove Frontal Lobes to reply direct.

"These people believe the souls of fried space aliens inhabit their
bodies and hold soup cans to get rid of them. I should care what they
think?"...Valerie Emmanuel

Les Hemmings  a.a #2251 SA

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:38:04 +0100, "Rich"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
>high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
>old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
>I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
>usually carries salmonella.
>
>Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?


It's safe.  the amount of nitrate and phosphate is trivial compared to
what's used as liquid fertilizer.  It's a good reuse of water, though.
There are probably some bacteria in the water, but without bacteria we
wouldn't be able to live.

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>> every week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>

  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only top 
ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

Salts, calcium carbonate, "messenger" hormones controlling growth rates from 
the fish and many other pollutants would increase over time without water 
changes using water treated to strip out chlorine and heavy metals.

It is down to the hardiness of the common goldfish that gives rise to all 
those "stick the fish in a bowl of tap water while you scrub out the tank 
once a year" and the practices of lots or careless fishkeepers who stress 
their fish (giving rise to disease, it's not normal for fish to regularly 
die as many seems ready to accept) that give rise to the "I never did water 
changes" stories too.

You are really a "water keeper", keeping the system within certain limits of 
hardness and nitrate load to match the water from the part of the world your 
preferred fish hail from.

Also, the water coming out of the tank is nutrient rich and is great for 
houseplants and food crops. I always used it. Plus, as someone else has 
said, swallowed quite a bit too.

More here http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/wchanges.htm

Les

> I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been
>> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and
>> strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>>
>> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium
>> water usually carries salmonella.
>>
>> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

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Les Hemmings  a.a #2251 SA

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:38:04 +0100, "Rich"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
>high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
>old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
>I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
>usually carries salmonella.
>
>Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?


It's safe.  the amount of nitrate and phosphate is trivial compared to
what's used as liquid fertilizer.  It's a good reuse of water, though.
There are probably some bacteria in the water, but without bacteria we
wouldn't be able to live.

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>> every week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>

  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only top 
ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

Salts, calcium carbonate, "messenger" hormones controlling growth rates from 
the fish and many other pollutants would increase over time without water 
changes using water treated to strip out chlorine and heavy metals.

It is down to the hardiness of the common goldfish that gives rise to all 
those "stick the fish in a bowl of tap water while you scrub out the tank 
once a year" and the practices of lots or careless fishkeepers who stress 
their fish (giving rise to disease, it's not normal for fish to regularly 
die as many seems ready to accept) that give rise to the "I never did water 
changes" stories too.

You are really a "water keeper", keeping the system within certain limits of 
hardness and nitrate load to match the water from the part of the world your 
preferred fish hail from.

Also, the water coming out of the tank is nutrient rich and is great for 
houseplants and food crops. I always used it. Plus, as someone else has 
said, swallowed quite a bit too.

More here http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/wchanges.htm

Les

> I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been
>> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and
>> strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>>
>> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium
>> water usually carries salmonella.
>>
>> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

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Les Hemmings  a.a #2251 SA

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:38:04 +0100, "Rich"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
>high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
>old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
>I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
>usually carries salmonella.
>
>Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?


It's safe.  the amount of nitrate and phosphate is trivial compared to
what's used as liquid fertilizer.  It's a good reuse of water, though.
There are probably some bacteria in the water, but without bacteria we
wouldn't be able to live.

"Les Hemmings"  wrote in message 
news:5bd0o5F2roje2U1@mid.individual.net...
> Alan Holmes wrote:
>> "Rich"  wrote in message
>> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>>> every week.
>>
>> Why, it is not neccesary!
>>
>
>  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
> Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
> is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only 
> top ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

As I've said before, I kept tropical fish for many years, breeding them for 
sale to the local tropical fish shop, and I never, ever changed the water.

If your tank had a proper number of plants in it the water will stay 
healthy.

Alan

On May 20, 5:28�pm, "Alan Holmes"  wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
>
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every
> > week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>
>  I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>
> > high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using
> > the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>
>
>
>
> > I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water
> > usually carries salmonella.
>
> > Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How ridiculous.
Unless a tank is packed with live plants, water changes are a MUST!

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>> every week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>

  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only top 
ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

Salts, calcium carbonate, "messenger" hormones controlling growth rates from 
the fish and many other pollutants would increase over time without water 
changes using water treated to strip out chlorine and heavy metals.

It is down to the hardiness of the common goldfish that gives rise to all 
those "stick the fish in a bowl of tap water while you scrub out the tank 
once a year" and the practices of lots or careless fishkeepers who stress 
their fish (giving rise to disease, it's not normal for fish to regularly 
die as many seems ready to accept) that give rise to the "I never did water 
changes" stories too.

You are really a "water keeper", keeping the system within certain limits of 
hardness and nitrate load to match the water from the part of the world your 
preferred fish hail from.

Also, the water coming out of the tank is nutrient rich and is great for 
houseplants and food crops. I always used it. Plus, as someone else has 
said, swallowed quite a bit too.

More here http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/wchanges.htm

Les

> I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been
>> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and
>> strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>>
>> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium
>> water usually carries salmonella.
>>
>> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

-- 
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"These people believe the souls of fried space aliens inhabit their
bodies and hold soup cans to get rid of them. I should care what they
think?"...Valerie Emmanuel

Les Hemmings  a.a #2251 SA

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:38:04 +0100, "Rich"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
>high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
>old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
>I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
>usually carries salmonella.
>
>Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?


It's safe.  the amount of nitrate and phosphate is trivial compared to
what's used as liquid fertilizer.  It's a good reuse of water, though.
There are probably some bacteria in the water, but without bacteria we
wouldn't be able to live.

"Les Hemmings"  wrote in message 
news:5bd0o5F2roje2U1@mid.individual.net...
> Alan Holmes wrote:
>> "Rich"  wrote in message
>> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>>> every week.
>>
>> Why, it is not neccesary!
>>
>
>  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
> Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
> is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only 
> top ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

As I've said before, I kept tropical fish for many years, breeding them for 
sale to the local tropical fish shop, and I never, ever changed the water.

If your tank had a proper number of plants in it the water will stay 
healthy.

Alan

On May 20, 5:28�pm, "Alan Holmes"  wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
>
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every
> > week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>
>  I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>
> > high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using
> > the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>
>
>
>
> > I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water
> > usually carries salmonella.
>
> > Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How ridiculous.
Unless a tank is packed with live plants, water changes are a MUST!

On May 21, 8:09 am, Tynk  wrote:
> On May 20, 5:28?pm, "Alan Holmes"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Rich"  wrote in message
>
> >news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > > I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every
> > > week.
>
> > Why, it is not neccesary!
>
> > ?I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>
> > > high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using
> > > the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> > Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
> > > I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water
> > > usually carries salmonella.
>
> > > Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> How ridiculous.
> Unless a tank is packed with live plants, water changes are a MUST!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree with Tynk,

Even in tanks with a lot of live plants I perform at least some water
changes if only for the reason of adding more minerals and
electrolytes.
Water changes are a must and I have been watering my vegetables and my
clients vegetables for 25 + years without a problem.

Carl

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>> every week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>

  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only top 
ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

Salts, calcium carbonate, "messenger" hormones controlling growth rates from 
the fish and many other pollutants would increase over time without water 
changes using water treated to strip out chlorine and heavy metals.

It is down to the hardiness of the common goldfish that gives rise to all 
those "stick the fish in a bowl of tap water while you scrub out the tank 
once a year" and the practices of lots or careless fishkeepers who stress 
their fish (giving rise to disease, it's not normal for fish to regularly 
die as many seems ready to accept) that give rise to the "I never did water 
changes" stories too.

You are really a "water keeper", keeping the system within certain limits of 
hardness and nitrate load to match the water from the part of the world your 
preferred fish hail from.

Also, the water coming out of the tank is nutrient rich and is great for 
houseplants and food crops. I always used it. Plus, as someone else has 
said, swallowed quite a bit too.

More here http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/wchanges.htm

Les

> I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been
>> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and
>> strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>>
>> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium
>> water usually carries salmonella.
>>
>> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

-- 
Remove Frontal Lobes to reply direct.

"These people believe the souls of fried space aliens inhabit their
bodies and hold soup cans to get rid of them. I should care what they
think?"...Valerie Emmanuel

Les Hemmings  a.a #2251 SA

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:38:04 +0100, "Rich"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
>high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
>old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
>I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
>usually carries salmonella.
>
>Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?


It's safe.  the amount of nitrate and phosphate is trivial compared to
what's used as liquid fertilizer.  It's a good reuse of water, though.
There are probably some bacteria in the water, but without bacteria we
wouldn't be able to live.

"Les Hemmings"  wrote in message 
news:5bd0o5F2roje2U1@mid.individual.net...
> Alan Holmes wrote:
>> "Rich"  wrote in message
>> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>>> every week.
>>
>> Why, it is not neccesary!
>>
>
>  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
> Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
> is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only 
> top ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

As I've said before, I kept tropical fish for many years, breeding them for 
sale to the local tropical fish shop, and I never, ever changed the water.

If your tank had a proper number of plants in it the water will stay 
healthy.

Alan

On May 20, 5:28�pm, "Alan Holmes"  wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
>
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every
> > week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>
>  I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>
> > high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using
> > the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>
>
>
>
> > I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water
> > usually carries salmonella.
>
> > Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How ridiculous.
Unless a tank is packed with live plants, water changes are a MUST!

On May 21, 8:09 am, Tynk  wrote:
> On May 20, 5:28?pm, "Alan Holmes"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Rich"  wrote in message
>
> >news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > Hi,
>
> > > I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every
> > > week.
>
> > Why, it is not neccesary!
>
> > ?I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>
> > > high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using
> > > the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> > Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
> > > I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water
> > > usually carries salmonella.
>
> > > Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> How ridiculous.
> Unless a tank is packed with live plants, water changes are a MUST!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree with Tynk,

Even in tanks with a lot of live plants I perform at least some water
changes if only for the reason of adding more minerals and
electrolytes.
Water changes are a must and I have been watering my vegetables and my
clients vegetables for 25 + years without a problem.

Carl

Rich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using the 
> old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
> 
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
> 
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
> 
> --
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> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm 
> 
> 
oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have 
not died as of yet?

"funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
> died as of yet?

We put custard on ours :-)

David.

David (Normandy) wrote:
> "funfly3"  wrote in message news:nN%3i.5748
>> oh er I have been sticking mine on strawberries and the rhubarb I have not 
>> died as of yet?
> 
> We put custard on ours :-)
> 
> David.
> 
> 
now there's a thought rhubarb & custard yummmmm mine needs a little more 
growing time for a water change

"Rich"  wrote
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of 
> the high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been 
> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.
>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?
>
> --
> http://www.richdavies.com
> http://www.richdavies.com/tropicalfish.htm
> http://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

I doubt it as I'm still alive and I've swallowed enough water over the years 
siphoning out tropical fish tanks. Might be true if you kept terrapins as 
they are serious carriers of salmonella.

-- 
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Rich"  wrote in message 
news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi,
>
> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
> week.

Why, it is not neccesary!

 I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using 
> the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and strawberries.

Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

>
> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium water 
> usually carries salmonella.
>
> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

On Sun, 20 May 2007 22:28:20 GMT, Alan Holmes wrote:

> "Rich"  wrote in message 
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>> week.
> 
> Why, it is not neccesary!
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?

If you check Alan Holmes posting history on Google, you'll see that he's a
fuckwit troll who's best ignored.

Alan Holmes wrote:
> "Rich"  wrote in message
> news:m-ednXqXZ7nkGs3bnZ2dnUVZ8v2vnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium
>> every week.
>
> Why, it is not neccesary!
>

  I've bred Kribensis, kept a "general tank" and also kept some very fussy 
Discus. A regular water change of 10% to 20% depending on pollutant levels 
is normal practice. The idea of the perfectly balanced tank needing only top 
ups to replace water lost from evaporation is a myth.

Salts, calcium carbonate, "messenger" hormones controlling growth rates from 
the fish and many other pollutants would increase over time without water 
changes using water treated to strip out chlorine and heavy metals.

It is down to the hardiness of the common goldfish that gives rise to all 
those "stick the fish in a bowl of tap water while you scrub out the tank 
once a year" and the practices of lots or careless fishkeepers who stress 
their fish (giving rise to disease, it's not normal for fish to regularly 
die as many seems ready to accept) that give rise to the "I never did water 
changes" stories too.

You are really a "water keeper", keeping the system within certain limits of 
hardness and nitrate load to match the water from the part of the world your 
preferred fish hail from.

Also, the water coming out of the tank is nutrient rich and is great for 
houseplants and food crops. I always used it. Plus, as someone else has 
said, swallowed quite a bit too.

More here http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/wchanges.htm

Les

> I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the
>> high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been
>> using the old water for my garden, particularly tomatoes and
>> strawberries.
>
> Why waste good water which will do more good being left in the tank?
>
>>
>> I was covinced this was a great idea until somkeone told me aquarium
>> water usually carries salmonella.
>>
>> Is this true, and if so is it safe to recycle my water in this way ?

-- 
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"These people believe the souls of fried space aliens inhabit their
bodies and hold soup cans to get rid of them. I should care what they
think?"...Valerie Emmanuel

Les Hemmings  a.a #2251 SA

On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:38:04 +0100, "Rich"  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I change 20% of the water in my 180L Tropical Freshwater Aquarium every 
>week. I'm sure this year we're gonna get a hose pipe ban, and mindful of the 
>high Nitrate and Phosphate content of my aquarium water, I've been using