How many have seen and done the Trustee review?

At a time when we struggle to find volunteers one solution is to take the 
requirement to have various roles away from Groups. For instance, remove the 
Exec and make the District the Exec for the Group?

How fun would that be for the District Treasurer.

With the management role removed from the Group the idea is that it free up 
people to work with sections - but I've had Chairs, Secretaries and 
Treasurers who don't want to work with children. It's like suggesting that 
doing away with County will free up adults, it won't, they do what they do 
because they want to help, but don't want to work with kids. At Groups they 
want to help with the Group, not the District, so getting volunteers is 
going to be even harder.

If this one goes through I'll fight it all the way. I'm sure my Group will, 
I'm pretty damned sure my District Exec will too - it's hard enough checking 
up on Groups without being made responsible for their management and funding 
as well as their CRB checking.

I hope that Wayne Bullpit still stops in here from time to time, or John 
May, perhaps, or maybe Pat Gilks.

Ewan Scott

"Ewan Scott"  wrote in message 
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> How many have seen and done the Trustee review?
>
> At a time when we struggle to find volunteers one solution is to take the 
> requirement to have various roles away from Groups. For instance, remove 
> the Exec and make the District the Exec for the Group?
>
> How fun would that be for the District Treasurer.
>
> With the management role removed from the Group the idea is that it free 
> up people to work with sections - but I've had Chairs, Secretaries and 
> Treasurers who don't want to work with children. It's like suggesting that 
> doing away with County will free up adults, it won't, they do what they do 
> because they want to help, but don't want to work with kids. At Groups 
> they want to help with the Group, not the District, so getting volunteers 
> is going to be even harder.
>
> If this one goes through I'll fight it all the way. I'm sure my Group 
> will, I'm pretty damned sure my District Exec will too - it's hard enough 
> checking up on Groups without being made responsible for their management 
> and funding as well as their CRB checking.
>
> I hope that Wayne Bullpit still stops in here from time to time, or John 
> May, perhaps, or maybe Pat Gilks.
>
> Ewan Scott

Not done it but I agree with what you are saying.

They said the same with the District mergers - that it would free up adults 
from District teams to work with the kids.

Rubbish. If someone wants to work with kids they will and if they don't they 
won't.

We have a few ACCs who also work with sections - if nothing else it keeps 
them more informed about kids than in days of old when they had no contact. 
If our county team was disolved then there would be very little change in 
the number of adults going to work in Groups.

If you have a crap District Exec you will also have problems in Groups - but 
who knows why not have no Groups (you don't need lots of Execs or GSLs), 
just have a District that acts as a super Group with a Beaver provision, Cub 
provision etc (note I don't say District Beaver Colony etc).

That way you can put the sections where you most need them .... now where 
have we heard that before.

On a separate note SPONSORSHIP is one of the oddies. It may work in places 
but what about where a Group meets in a church hall, they pay the rent get 
hassle from the church committee. They don't help them get leaders from the 
dwindling or uninterested congregation but insist on saying who can be a 
leader etc.  now that is a subject that possibly needs debate.


DaveB
West Yorks

On Oct 9, 1:04 pm, "Ewan Scott"  wrote:
> How many have seen and done the Trustee review?

Do you know where I might find it?

Thanks

Neil

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
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On Oct 9, 1:04 pm, "Ewan Scott"  wrote:
> How many have seen and done the Trustee review?

Do you know where I might find it?

Thanks

Neil

I would start here then click on the link.

DaveB
West Yorks

"Neil Williams"  wrote in message 
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On Oct 9, 1:04 pm, "Ewan Scott"  wrote:
> How many have seen and done the Trustee review?

Do you know where I might find it?

Thanks

Neil

www.scouts.org. its on the front page.

On 9 Oct, 13:04, "Ewan Scott"  wrote:
> How many have seen and done the Trustee review?
>
> At a time when we struggle to find volunteers one solution is to take the
> requirement to have various roles away from Groups. For instance, remove the
> Exec and make the District the Exec for the Group?
>
> How fun would that be for the District Treasurer.
>
> With the management role removed from the Group the idea is that it free up
> people to work with sections - but I've had Chairs, Secretaries and
> Treasurers who don't want to work with children. It's like suggesting that
> doing away with County will free up adults, it won't, they do what they do
> because they want to help, but don't want to work with kids. At Groups they
> want to help with the Group, not the District, so getting volunteers is
> going to be even harder.
>
> If this one goes through I'll fight it all the way. I'm sure my Group will,
> I'm pretty damned sure my District Exec will too - it's hard enough checking
> up on Groups without being made responsible for their management and funding
> as well as their CRB checking.
>
> I hope that Wayne Bullpit still stops in here from time to time, or John
> May, perhaps, or maybe Pat Gilks.
>
> Ewan Scott

I could get hot under the collar if we had a gp exec......

Hi Ewan,
Yes, still popping in from time to time.

Its a genuine consultation responding to requests from many to look at
issues posed by the need for Trustees.

Look forward to the replies,
Wayne

Hi Ewan

Still here, on and off.   Nothing to add to Wayne's comments.
Governance is a contentious issue at world level as well!

John

"Wayne Bulpitt"  wrote in message 
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> Hi Ewan,
> Yes, still popping in from time to time.
>
> Its a genuine consultation responding to requests from many to look at
> issues posed by the need for Trustees.
>
> Look forward to the replies,
> Wayne


Wayne,

I seriously think that some of the ideas presented in this consultation are 
not only unworkable but will harm the movement if implemented.

I can understand that some smaller Groups may struggle with Trustees, some 
bigger ones do too. However, the volunteers we do get are largely only 
interested in helping at "their" group, and those on the District Exec IME 
are there to deal with specific and usually serious issues rather than the 
day to day running of Scout Groups.

The solution to the task of finding Trustees is to ask people, and to make 
sure that they a/ know what is expected of the and b/ look after them. 
Taking the trusteeship away from the Group will not release anyone to help 
work with youngsters.

My District has 10 groups, of which I'd guess that six, maybe seven could/ 
would happily dump their responsibilities onto the District, but then we 
would need a new District Secretary and a new District Treasurer.

If most of these proposals are put into effect then I am pretty certain that 
we will have serious issues, certainly my District will have.

Ewan Scott
JOINT DC ( not ADC)
Huddersfield South East District Scouts

On 09 Oct 2009 "Ewan Scott"  wrote in
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> I seriously think that some of the ideas presented in this
> consultation are not only unworkable but will harm the movement if
> implemented. 

I agree. However I think that taking the section leaders away from the 
exec is a much bigger problem. Especially in groups where money is very 
tight it is vital that section leaders are part of the exec and can 
ensure that money is raised and spent in ways that will really help the 
YP and not ways that well meaning committee members think will help YP.

-- 
Graham Drabble
1st Uxbridge
http://www.drabble.me.uk/

"Ewan Scott"  wrote in message 
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> How many have seen and done the Trustee review?
>
> At a time when we struggle to find volunteers one solution is to take the 
> requirement to have various roles away from Groups. For instance, remove 
> the Exec and make the District the Exec for the Group?
>
> How fun would that be for the District Treasurer.
>
> With the management role removed from the Group the idea is that it free 
> up people to work with sections - but I've had Chairs, Secretaries and 
> Treasurers who don't want to work with children. It's like suggesting that 
> doing away with County will free up adults, it won't, they do what they do 
> because they want to help, but don't want to work with kids. At Groups 
> they want to help with the Group, not the District, so getting volunteers 
> is going to be even harder.
>
> If this one goes through I'll fight it all the way. I'm sure my Group 
> will, I'm pretty damned sure my District Exec will too - it's hard enough 
> checking up on Groups without being made responsible for their management 
> and funding as well as their CRB checking.
>
> I hope that Wayne Bullpit still stops in here from time to time, or John 
> May, perhaps, or maybe Pat Gilks.
>
> Ewan Scott

Spotted the questionnaire, and replied (although I had to tell a bit of a 
white lie to
get to the questions I wanted to answer - spot the recent change of role).

I have to say that the questionnaire confused me.  It seemed to start from a 
viewpoint
that finding suitable Trustees was difficult.  Well it is, but not unduly 
because they have
Trustee status.  Purely from a Group perspective, I would much prefer to 
find my own
Group Executive, with an understanding of local issues, wherever possible, 
rather than
rely on the District Exec.  I do, however, accept that this may not always 
be possible, so
a flexible approach may be preferred.
From a District perspective, the possibility of having Trustee status for a 
number of
Groups as well as the District sounds horrific - and runs completely counter 
to the
move a few years ago to give DCs / District Chairmen right of attendance at
Group Execs rather than Trustee status.

The current position still seems to be best practice.  There may be a case 
for relaxing
the rules where this isn't possible, but not as a standard.

It's good to see Wayne and John still here.

Grant
ASL, 1st Disley

In message 
, 
John  writes
>Hi Ewan
>
>Still here, on and off.   Nothing to add to Wayne's comments.
>Governance is a contentious issue at world level as well!
>
John, I hope that you are having to sort all of that out as well.
-- 
Paul Harris

In message , Grant Mitchell 
 writes
>
>Spotted the questionnaire, and replied (although I had to tell a bit of 
>a white lie to
>get to the questions I wanted to answer - spot the recent change of role).
>
>I have to say that the questionnaire confused me.  It seemed to start 
>from a viewpoint
>that finding suitable Trustees was difficult.

Must say that locally we don't seem to have that much of a problem 
finding a Chairman, slightly harder sometimes to find  treasurer and a 
little more difficult to find a Secretary.  Generally though every Group 
manages all three and a few others as Trustees.

It seems to be much harder to find  GSL who doesn't also have another 
role in the Group.

-- 
Paul Harris