On 27 Jul, 00:03, Bill Oldroyd  wrote:

> The group leader is assessed to a standard where they can manage
> the activity without any other help.

For all possible circumstances ?

Its just not possible.

Steve wrote:
> On 27 Aug, 07:36, Bill Oldroyd  wrote:

snip ...

> 
> But there is a restriction to the scope, that is the point, from the
> WGL sylabus;
> 
> 2 SCOPE OF THE SCHEME
> 
> 2.4 It is the combination of technical competence and leadership
> skills supported by a wide range of experience that forms the basis
> for effective group management. The scheme addresses all these
> elements. 

These words support both points - here we have two sentences
saying the scheme covers everything.

> However, the employer or operating authority must ultimately
> decide whether a leader possesses the personal attributes needed to
> take responsibility for a particular group of people.

And here we have a sentence saying that ultimately it's up to the
employer or operating authority to decide what people can do.

The one doesn't invalidate the other, it's just placing the
responsibility in it's correct place with the organisation
arranging the activity. They carry the legal responsibility, not
the MLTB. The organisation for example might require the person to
speak a foreigh language, have a CRB, renew a First Aid
qualification regularly, have experience with a particular age
group, etc.. In other words, characteristics that fall outside a
one-off technical and leadership assessment.

> So the NGB are saying that it is the employer or operating authority
> that makes the final decision on whether a particular leader has the
> 'personal attributes' to take charge of a particular group of people.

> The NGB are not saying that an award holder will be suitable to be in
> charge of all groups in WGL terrain.

From a technical and leadership point of view, that's precisely
what the second sentence means.

>> As to the latter point about judging a leader's capability on the
>> basis of the party, what is the SA mechanism for doing this ?.
> 
> Its left to the discretion of the leader.

Well not really, it depends on what you mean by "group of people".
If you are thinking of a specific set of people on a specific day
doing a specific activity, then it is up to the leader, otherwise
it what the SA's rules require.

This has come a long way from the initial discussion point that
adding an extra adult to an activity automatically makes it safer.

Bill