Looking for some bright ideas.

Attending the Dutch Jamboree which starts at the weekend.  Booked  
equipment from the jamboree organisers months ago, including tentage,  
cooking equipment and tables/benches.

They didn't have a price for the tables and benches at the time, but  
estimated at about ¤20 per set of 1 table and 2 benches.  We ordered 5  
sets.

Just tonight (5 days before it starts and 4 before we leave) been told  
that the cost just of the tables and bench sets is ¤842!!!  I did suggest  
that it would be cheaper for us buy them new and ship them over, and they  
agreed, but due to a general shortage (i.e. high demand!) that's the  
cost.  I suspect that the "organisers" are not that organised, but we  
still have to deal with the situation as it is.

We obviously can't afford to pay this amount, when our budget was based on  
far less.

We have a Dutch "buddy" group whom we have asked for help, but they have  
also already packed, and their leaders are away walking until Saturday.

We have also contacted other local Dutch Scouting groups that we know are  
not attending the event and that we have contact with.

Another option is to aquire more pioneering poles and build something.   
However, we need to bring our own ropes, and as we are flying, and our box  
of other equipment has already been posted, it's not the most helpful time  
to suggest this!  And it's also not the most comfortable!

However, the question to you is - where could we buy/hire 3 or 4 tables  
and benches that would deliver to Holland by Monday morning?  We were  
thinking of aluminium/plastic affairs, but can't find any online Dutch  
shops with my non-existant knowledge of the language.

Any Dutch speakers/natives out there that could help or suggest something?

Ta

Tony

-- 
Tony Mochan
Cub & Scout Leader, 20th Dundee
www.20thdundee.org.uk

"Tony Mochan"  wrote in message 
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> Looking for some bright ideas.
>
> Attending the Dutch Jamboree which starts at the weekend. 
> Booked  equipment from the jamboree organisers months ago, 
> including tentage,  cooking equipment and tables/benches.
>
> They didn't have a price for the tables and benches at the 
> time, but  estimated at about ¤20 per set of 1 table and 2 
> benches.  We ordered 5  sets.
>
> Just tonight (5 days before it starts and 4 before we leave) 
> been told  that the cost just of the tables and bench sets is 
> ¤842!!!
> Any Dutch speakers/natives out there that could help or suggest 
> something?

You might want to try contacting the organisers of the Haarlem 
Jamborette, another Dutch international camp, to see if they can 
help. Their charge last year was much nearer to your estimate!

http://www.haarlemjamborette.nl/2007/mgd_jambo.php?page=home&langid=2

-- 
MatSav

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:25:17 퍝, MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at dsl | dot | pipex | dot | <"com>"> wrote:

> You might want to try contacting the organisers of the Haarlem
> Jamborette, another Dutch international camp, to see if they can
> help. Their charge last year was much nearer to your estimate!
>
> http://www.haarlemjamborette.nl/2007/mgd_jambo.php?page=home&langid=2

Sent them an email, so will see what happens.

Any other ideas?

-- Tony Mochan
Cub & Scout Leader, 20th Dundee
www.20thdundee.org.uk

"Tony Mochan"  wrote in message 
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:25:17 +0100, MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at |
dsl | dot | pipex | dot | <"com>"> wrote:

> You might want to try contacting the organisers of the Haarlem
> Jamborette, another Dutch international camp, to see if they can
> help. Their charge last year was much nearer to your estimate!
>
> http://www.haarlemjamborette.nl/2007/mgd_jambo.php?page=home&langid=2

Sent them an email, so will see what happens.

Any other ideas?

-- 
Tony Mochan
Cub & Scout Leader, 20th Dundee
www.20thdundee.org.uk

Tony,
Its a long shot, and starting from basic, but I saw a troop camping last 
week where every person brought their own folding camping stool and ate on 
their lap. They were all £3.99 tripod alluminium style as: 
http://www.yeomansoutdoors.co.uk/products.asp?subcategory=Stools+%26+Hammocks&category=Outdoor+Furniture

http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/877/shopscr49.html

Argos do these 4 person folding table / seat jobble for £20.

Have a great trip!
Eddie Langdown 16th Bermondsey London

On 16 Jul, 07:57, "Eddie Langdown"  wrote:
> "Tony Mochan"  wrote in message
>
> news:op.uecxqip4700lht@mochalap...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:25:17 퍝, MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at |
> dsl | dot | pipex | dot | <"com>"> wrote:
>
> > You might want to try contacting the organisers of the Haarlem
> > Jamborette, another Dutch international camp, to see if they can
> > help. Their charge last year was much nearer to your estimate!
>
> >http://www.haarlemjamborette.nl/2007/mgd_jambo.php?page=home&langid=2
>
> Sent them an email, so will see what happens.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> --
> Tony Mochan
> Cub & Scout Leader, 20th Dundeewww.20thdundee.org.uk
>
> Tony,
> Its a long shot, and starting from basic, but I saw a troop camping last
> week where every person brought their own folding camping stool and ate on
> their lap. They were all £3.99 tripod alluminium style as:http://www.yeomansoutdoors.co.uk/products.asp?subcategory=Stools%26...
>
> http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/877/shopscr49.html
>
> Argos do these 4 person folding table / seat jobble for £20.
>
> Have a great trip!
> Eddie Langdown 16th Bermondsey London

Or do it the Guide way and sit on the floor in a large circle...

Not that helpful I know but I often wonder at the amount of kit we
take to camp and whether it is really necessary.

I don't know where the Dutch Jamboree is being held but there is a
Decathlon in Amsterdam selling 4/6 person table and 4 chairs at 45
Euros.

http://www.decathlon.nl/NL/kampeermeubilair-11560477/#

Stephen

"Gooders"  wrote in message 
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On 16 Jul, 07:57, "Eddie Langdown"  wrote:
> "Tony Mochan"  wrote in message
>
> news:op.uecxqip4700lht@mochalap...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:25:17 +0100, MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at |
> dsl | dot | pipex | dot | <"com>"> wrote:
>
> > You might want to try contacting the organisers of the Haarlem
> > Jamborette, another Dutch international camp, to see if they can
> > help. Their charge last year was much nearer to your estimate!
>
> >http://www.haarlemjamborette.nl/2007/mgd_jambo.php?page=home&langid=2
>
> Sent them an email, so will see what happens.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> --
> Tony Mochan
> Cub & Scout Leader, 20th Dundeewww.20thdundee.org.uk
>
> Tony,
> Its a long shot, and starting from basic, but I saw a troop camping last
> week where every person brought their own folding camping stool and ate on
> their lap. They were all £3.99 tripod alluminium style 
> as:http://www.yeomansoutdoors.co.uk/products.asp?subcategory=Stools+%26+...
>
> http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/877/shopscr49.html
>
> Argos do these 4 person folding table / seat jobble for £20.
>
> Have a great trip!
> Eddie Langdown 16th Bermondsey London

Or do it the Guide way and sit on the floor in a large circle...

Not that helpful I know but I often wonder at the amount of kit we
take to camp and whether it is really necessary.

I don't know where the Dutch Jamboree is being held but there is a
Decathlon in Amsterdam selling 4/6 person table and 4 chairs at 45
Euros.

http://www.decathlon.nl/NL/kampeermeubilair-11560477/#

Stephen

I always think the guide way looks cute and cosy..... but I notice the 
leaders always sit in chairs, like big chiefs.  Mind you I see many guide 
groups sitting on 'plastic-steps' .
Personally, I think a nice meal  at camp should be eaten at a table, with 
table manners, a jam-jar of dandelions & daisies and proper conversation. 
Kids don't always get that at home, but they do with us.
We have a tradition of giving points for 'extras' and patrol meal times, and 
they vie to out-do each other. By the end of camp they are producing table 
mats, name places, music, candles, flowers, waiters. I once had a leader who 
told them that the ultimate points was to have a waiter, on roller-skates 
singing the 'Star Spangled banner'. And by God one PL managed it, on a 
greenfield site. OK, cardboard skates...... but...
Eddie

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:40:00 +0100, "Eddie Langdown"
 wrote:


>We have a tradition of giving points for 'extras' and patrol meal times, and 
>they vie to out-do each other. By the end of camp they are producing table 
>mats, name places, music, candles, flowers, waiters. I once had a leader who 
>told them that the ultimate points was to have a waiter, on roller-skates 
>singing the 'Star Spangled banner'. And by God one PL managed it, on a 
>greenfield site. OK, cardboard skates...... but...
>Eddie 
>

<snaffles Eddie's idea for summer camp>
-- 

Tim

I understand very little of what's being discussed
but for some reason it's fascinating.

(Jon Thompson, urs)

"Tim Hall"  wrote in message 
news:44kr74dubd2g6efbv3a2l7ff33theihhld@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:40:00 +0100, "Eddie Langdown"
>  wrote:
>
>
>>We have a tradition of giving points for 'extras' and patrol meal times, 
>>and
>>they vie to out-do each other. By the end of camp they are producing table
>>mats, name places, music, candles, flowers, waiters. I once had a leader 
>>who
>>told them that the ultimate points was to have a waiter, on roller-skates
>>singing the 'Star Spangled banner'. And by God one PL managed it, on a
>>greenfield site. OK, cardboard skates...... but...
>>Eddie
>>
>
> <snaffles Eddie's idea for summer camp>
> -- 
>
> Tim
>
> I understand very little of what's being discussed
> but for some reason it's fascinating.
>
> (Jon Thompson, urs)

A silly idea from last year; we bought each patrol a mascot ( a hot water 
bottle cover!), among other things they had to Interview it, Throw it, Video 
it and Take photos of it and take it to Brownsea Island.
http://www.bermondseyscout.co.uk/gallery2/v/video/Mascot+Madness++Clip+6_001.rm.html?g2_navId=xae440562

http://www.bermondseyscout.co.uk/gallery2/v/video/Camp+Mascots+Visit+Brownsea+Island.rm.html

Eddie

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:57:53 +0100, Eddie Langdown  
 wrote:

> Tony,
> Its a long shot, and starting from basic, but I saw a troop camping last
> week where every person brought their own folding camping stool and ate  
> on
> their lap. They were all £3.99 tripod alluminium style as:
> http://www.yeomansoutdoors.co.uk/products.asp?subcategory=Stools+%26+Hammocks&category=Outdoor+Furniture
> http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/877/shopscr49.html
> Argos do these 4 person folding table / seat jobble for £20.
> Have a great trip!
> Eddie Langdown 16th Bermondsey London

We have 15 tripod camps stools, that we got for a pound each in Newcastle  
not so long ago.  Tried thema few times, but wouldn't like to live like  
that for 10 days!

The Argos/Halfords/ASDS 4 person "jobbie" at £19.99 are perhaps not ideal,  
but we have now costed sending 5 of them across, with our local friendly  
mailing franchisee.  £100 to buy - £70 to send (about 35kg!)

Still cheaper than the Amsterdam Decathlon or the local Kampeemarkt by a  
long shot!  Just means that it's not cost effective to send them back  
though, as the mailing is heavily discountedon the way out.

Not an ideal solution, but still one option.

Other option we are pursuing is the hiring of tables from a local,  
non-Scouting group that I have just come into contact with.  They need to  
ask their commmittee, and will get back to me tomorrow morning!

Option 3 of pioneering something is only going to be considered once they  
get back to me with prices for hiring the poles!!!  From current  
experience, it may be easier to plant a seedling now! ;-)

We will have a great trip, but we may end up sitting on the grass!

Tony

-- 
Tony Mochan
Cub & Scout Leader, 20th Dundee
www.20thdundee.org.uk

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:37:02 +0100, "Tony Mochan" 
wrote:

>Looking for some bright ideas.
>
>Attending the Dutch Jamboree which starts at the weekend.  Booked  
>equipment from the jamboree organisers months ago, including tentage,  
>cooking equipment and tables/benches.
>
>They didn't have a price for the tables and benches at the time, but  
>estimated at about ¤20 per set of 1 table and 2 benches.  We ordered 5  
>sets.
>
>Just tonight (5 days before it starts and 4 before we leave) been told  
>that the cost just of the tables and bench sets is ¤842!!!  I did suggest  
>that it would be cheaper for us buy them new and ship them over, and they  
>agreed, but due to a general shortage (i.e. high demand!) that's the  
>cost.  I suspect that the "organisers" are not that organised, but we  
>still have to deal with the situation as it is.
>
>We obviously can't afford to pay this amount, when our budget was based on  
>far less.
>
>We have a Dutch "buddy" group whom we have asked for help, but they have  
>also already packed, and their leaders are away walking until Saturday.
>
>We have also contacted other local Dutch Scouting groups that we know are  
>not attending the event and that we have contact with.
>
>Another option is to aquire more pioneering poles and build something.   
>However, we need to bring our own ropes, and as we are flying, and our box  
>of other equipment has already been posted, it's not the most helpful time  
>to suggest this!  And it's also not the most comfortable!
>
>However, the question to you is - where could we buy/hire 3 or 4 tables  
>and benches that would deliver to Holland by Monday morning?  We were  
>thinking of aluminium/plastic affairs, but can't find any online Dutch  
>shops with my non-existant knowledge of the language.
>
>Any Dutch speakers/natives out there that could help or suggest something?
>
>Ta
>
>Tony

Tony,

Maybe the cheapest is buy tables and benches in Holland and give them
to a Dutch Group. Posssibly, the head office of Aldi or Lidil? in the
UK could help. Perhaps, the Dutch embassy could give you phone number
for the local council or Chamber of Commerce who may be offer some
ideas.

Have a exciting abd safe trip.

Mike

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:21:38 +0100, Mike Parsons  wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:37:02 +0100, "Tony Mochan" 
> wrote:
>
>> Looking for some bright ideas.
>>
>> Attending the Dutch Jamboree which starts at the weekend.  Booked
>> equipment from the jamboree organisers months ago, including tentage,
>> cooking equipment and tables/benches.
>>
>> They didn't have a price for the tables and benches at the time, but
>> estimated at about ¤20 per set of 1 table and 2 benches.  We ordered 5
>> sets.
>>
>> Just tonight (5 days before it starts and 4 before we leave) been told
>> that the cost just of the tables and bench sets is ¤842!!!  I did  
>> suggest
>> that it would be cheaper for us buy them new and ship them over, and  
>> they
>> agreed, but due to a general shortage (i.e. high demand!) that's the
>> cost.  I suspect that the "organisers" are not that organised, but we
>> still have to deal with the situation as it is.
>>
>> We obviously can't afford to pay this amount, when our budget was based  
>> on
>> far less.
>>
>> We have a Dutch "buddy" group whom we have asked for help, but they have
>> also already packed, and their leaders are away walking until Saturday.
>>
>> We have also contacted other local Dutch Scouting groups that we know  
>> are
>> not attending the event and that we have contact with.
>>
>> Another option is to aquire more pioneering poles and build something.
>> However, we need to bring our own ropes, and as we are flying, and our  
>> box
>> of other equipment has already been posted, it's not the most helpful  
>> time
>> to suggest this!  And it's also not the most comfortable!
>>
>> However, the question to you is - where could we buy/hire 3 or 4 tables
>> and benches that would deliver to Holland by Monday morning?  We were
>> thinking of aluminium/plastic affairs, but can't find any online Dutch
>> shops with my non-existant knowledge of the language.
>>
>> Any Dutch speakers/natives out there that could help or suggest  
>> something?
>>
>> Ta
>>
>> Tony
>
> Tony,
>
> Maybe the cheapest is buy tables and benches in Holland and give them
> to a Dutch Group. Posssibly, the head office of Aldi or Lidil? in the
> UK could help. Perhaps, the Dutch embassy could give you phone number
> for the local council or Chamber of Commerce who may be offer some
> ideas.
>
> Have a exciting abd safe trip.
>
> Mike

Hm, sorry - problem solved - despite asking once already, they have now  
come back again and said that a mistake was made in the communication of  
the prices, and that indeed we can hire a table and 2 benches for €25!!!   
Much more like it.

Just as well we decided not to ship our plastic things out this morning  
then!

Tony

-- 
Tony Mochan
Cub & Scout Leader, 20th Dundee
www.20thdundee.org.uk