Hello All,
Guess we've been reasonably lucky this season, avian flu has just been 
confirmed in France. Oh well at least we escaped this season and it's over 
for wildfowling today.
Regards
Dave (www.kwacs.org.uk)

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> Hello All,
> Guess we've been reasonably lucky this season, avian flu has just been
> confirmed in France. Oh well at least we escaped this season and it's over
> for wildfowling today.
> Regards
> Dave (www.kwacs.org.uk)
>
>

What about availability and movement of pheasants and partridges (many from
France) this coming season, an easy target for the politicians :-((

Keith

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 What about availability and movement of pheasants and partridges (many from 
France) this coming season, an easy target for the politicians :-((
Keith

Hello Keith,
Unfortunately it looks as if the government both here and in France will 
restrict bird and egg movement. Basc are already advising shoots to use home 
grown birds and home produced eggs.
Regards
Dave

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> "keith"  wrote in message
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>  What about availability and movement of pheasants and partridges (many
from
> France) this coming season, an easy target for the politicians :-((
> Keith
>
> Hello Keith,
> Unfortunately it looks as if the government both here and in France will
> restrict bird and egg movement. Basc are already advising shoots to use
home
> grown birds and home produced eggs.
> Regards
> Dave
>
>

Looks like we could be in for an expensive and possibly lean season, lets
hope for a kind spring for the wild ones.

Apart from the movement restrictions on home produced game birds etc when
avian flue gets here, do you think there will be any restrictions on
shooting them?  I think that there will be .

Keith.

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Looks like we could be in for an expensive and possibly lean season, lets 
hope for a kind spring for the wild ones.
Aart from the movement restrictions on home produced game birds etc when 
avian flue gets here, do you think there will be any restrictions on 
shooting them?  I think that there will be .
Keith.

Hello Keith,

This avian flu gives the government the means to have another bite at 
shooters so you can almost guarantee that there will be restrictions. I have 
to agree with them in this case though, it needs to be contained and quickly 
after all said and done human lives may be at stake.

Regards
Dave

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> "keith"  wrote in message 
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> Looks like we could be in for an expensive and possibly lean season, lets 
> hope for a kind spring for the wild ones.
> Aart from the movement restrictions on home produced game birds etc when 
> avian flue gets here, do you think there will be any restrictions on 
> shooting them?  I think that there will be .
> Keith.
>
> Hello Keith,
>
> This avian flu gives the government the means to have another bite at 
> shooters so you can almost guarantee that there will be restrictions. I 
> have to agree with them in this case though, it needs to be contained and 
> quickly after all said and done human lives may be at stake.
>
> Regards
> Dave
Have you not seen the goverment  contingency plans? based on the 
scientifically proved principal that ducks cannot climb chain link fences 
they are going to surround the coast with a 6 ft high fence .
Really though I think we have a got a major problem on our hands it seems 
that prolonged contact with live birds puts us at most risk,so rearing is 
going to be in real danger and hence the relatively small number of humans 
who have contracted the disease. OK so far- having just seen a vet who 
specilizes in bird diseases ( the F word on More 4) suggesting that 
droppings are potentially the danger this being across bird species, so 
migratory ducks geese etc can contaminate other species ( have you ever 
skiied across a field geese have been feeding on? I reckon feral pigeons 
have to be a disaster waiting to happen I will be out this weekend shooting 
them off my pals barn and grain dryer because if they manage to get in and 
foul the grain we have another problem its about time the goverment stopped 
spinning for a moment and tells the BASC and other organisations what they 
would like us to be doing before its too late !
Derek

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 I reckon feral pigeons
> have to be a disaster waiting to happen I will be out this weekend 
> shooting them off my pals barn and grain dryer because if they manage to 
> get in and foul the grain we have another problem its about time the 
> goverment stopped spinning for a moment and tells the BASC and other 
> organisations what they would like us to be doing before its too late !
> Derek

Hello Derek,
Yeah I've seen the contingency plans but they will have their way. Btw 
pigeons aren't susceptible to the avian flu, hence the reason the government 
haven't called for racing pigeon loft owners to register. The only remote 
chance apparently of them increasing the problem is if they rest on the pen 
of infected birds and carrry the disease on their feet from one to another.
Regards
Dave ( www.kwacs.org.uk )

The word paranoia comes to mind.

One expert has pointed out that the migration season is almost over and the 
current outbreaks are nowhere near migration routes that coincide with the 
UK. There has also been bird flu in Europe for several years -- and it 
never reached the UK. But you can be sure that Tony is delighted with 
anything that draws attention away from his precarious position as leader! 
I will consider the problem of locking up the poultry when DEFRA says it is 
necessary and not before.

Derry

Derry Argue wrote:

>The word paranoia comes to mind.
>
>One expert has pointed out that the migration season is almost over and the 
>current outbreaks are nowhere near migration routes that coincide with the 
>UK. There has also been bird flu in Europe for several years -- and it 
>never reached the UK. 

There have been outbreaks of the "deadly" [1] strain in the UK caused
by the bird trade but they have caught them early and eradicated it.

Avian flu is the bird farmers' foot and mouth. The only way it is
going to kill people is if they top themselves due to their business
going bust.

It is only deadly to humans working in /very/ close proximity to
diseased birds. Everybody is fretting about a pandemic crossover virus
but this bird flu isn't it. If and when that virus comes we will have
rather more to worry about than birds transmitting it.
-- 
Phil Cook

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> "Derek"  wrote in message 
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> I reckon feral pigeons
>> have to be a disaster waiting to happen I will be out this weekend 
>> shooting them off my pals barn and grain dryer because if they manage to 
>> get in and foul the grain we have another problem its about time the 
>> goverment stopped spinning for a moment and tells the BASC and other 
>> organisations what they would like us to be doing before its too late !
>> Derek
>
> Hello Derek,
> Yeah I've seen the contingency plans but they will have their way. Btw 
> pigeons aren't susceptible to the avian flu, hence the reason the 
> government haven't called for racing pigeon loft owners to register. The 
> only remote chance apparently of them increasing the problem is if they 
> rest on the pen of infected birds and carrry the disease on their feet 
> from one to another.
> Regards
> Dave ( www.kwacs.org.uk )
>
>
Thanks David I had not seen that mentioned but I checked the RPRA website 
and although Racing pigeons seem to have a resistance Defra seem to be more 
worried 
http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/notifiable/disease/ai/shows/pigeons-ew.htm
and are insisting on recording of addresses for race and show meetings.There 
have been instances of H5N1 virus in pigeons in Turkey 
http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/flash/turkeymap.swf
so I guess we are not out of the woods
Derek