Ok - engine now in bits and ready to go off to blasters . Quick 
question  - are the head/barrels painted silver or just natural ally ?

I think they're just ally but wanted to check.

thanks.

On Oct 7, 4:43 pm, chrisu  wrote:
>         Ok - engine now in bits and ready to go off to blasters . Quick
> question  - are the head/barrels painted silver or just natural ally ?
>
> I think they're just ally but wanted to check.

They're painted AFAIK - pretty much all Japanese engines were.

chrisu  wrote:

> I think they're just ally but wanted to check.

They are.

Gardener's lime brings them up a treat.


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Timo on tour  wrote:

> On Oct 7, 4:43 pm, chrisu  wrote:
> >         Ok - engine now in bits and ready to go off to blasters . Quick
> > question  - are the head/barrels painted silver or just natural ally ?
> >
> > I think they're just ally but wanted to check.
> 
> They're painted AFAIK - pretty much all Japanese engines were.

No, they're not. The cam cover was, and ditto the engine cases, but not
the head and barrels.

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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> chrisu  wrote:
> 
>> I think they're just ally but wanted to check.
> 
> They are.
> 
> Gardener's lime brings them up a treat.
> 
> 


i'm doing the rebuild for someone else - no expense spared (apparently) 
so for vapour blasting etc i'll GAMI.

On 7 Oct, 19:13, chrisu  wrote:
> i'm doing the rebuild for someone else - no expense spared (apparently)
> so for vapour blasting etc i'll GAMI.

Would you recommend anyone in particular for vapour blasting?

Steve

On 7 Oct, 18:35, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman)
wrote:

> Gardener's lime brings them up a treat.

Hows that work then? Dunk them in a bucket filled with a solution of
it or rub it in with a toothbrush?
My favourite dodge is derusting things in a bucket filled with a black
treacle solution.
Takes about 3 weeks but every last bit of rust is gone....
Steve

Steve wrote:
> On 7 Oct, 19:13, chrisu  wrote:
>> i'm doing the rebuild for someone else - no expense spared (apparently)
>> so for vapour blasting etc i'll GAMI.
> 
> Would you recommend anyone in particular for vapour blasting?
> 
> Steve

this guy has been recommended to me by someone who is very picky about 
the quality of his restorations........

Doug Cox, RD Cox & Sons - 01189 750 289,306 Old Whitley Wood Lane, 
Shinfield, Reading RG2 8Q

Steve  wrote:

> Hows that work then? Dunk them in a bucket filled with a solution of
> it or rub it in with a toothbrush?

Scrub it with a decent brush, and rinse very well.


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Thanks to all who have helped me so far!  I followed your advice,
changed BOTH throttle cables, and the force needed to control the
throttle is much less, the bike is now rideable for at least short
distances. Will take it on a long trip soon and then report back......

(The old cables sure looked like a mess when I removed them and
inspected them up close.)

What about all the stripped screwdriver slots in all the fasteners
that hold it together?  I have one machine screw that is busted off
but it's above the casting so I can heat it after I remove the engine
to keep from starting the whole bike on fire.  Z-1 Enterprises sells
replacement machine screws for bikes that all have Allen heads.

My question to the group is this:

Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?

Biker Dude in the Land of ZATAMM

Biker Dude  wrote:

> Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
> Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?

Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.


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Biker Dude wrote:

> What about all the stripped screwdriver slots in all the fasteners
> that hold it together?  I have one machine screw that is busted off
> but it's above the casting so I can heat it after I remove the engine
> to keep from starting the whole bike on fire.  Z-1 Enterprises sells
> replacement machine screws for bikes that all have Allen heads.
> 
> My question to the group is this:
> 
> Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
> Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?

I wouldn't bother replacing Phillips head screws with socket head capscrews.
Just use an impact driver to remove them, it reliably breaks loose
corroded screws.  Where appropriate, I use anti-seize.  I don't use Loctite
for anti-corrosion reasons but I do use it where indicated in the manual or
where I think it is necessary.

http://dirtbike.off-road.com/dirtbike/data/articlestandard/dirtbike/232006/332676/tools17.jpg

http://www.bikernet.com/garage/loctitetech.asp

On Oct 7, 10:12 am, Biker Dude  wrote:

> Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
> Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?

I don't use either one on screw threads.

I spray WD40 on the threads so the screw will turn in smoothly.

I never use a torque wrench on threads that I've lubricated in this
manner, I rely upon my calibrated wrist when tightening the bolt.

Several months (or years) later, when I loosen the WD40 lubricated
bolt, it takes the same amount of force as if I was loosening a
factory intalled bolt.

The bolt (or screw) comes loose with a *snapping* sound.

On Oct 7, 10:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

> Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.

They salt the roads in England, don't they?

Biker Dude wrote:

> Thanks to all who have helped me so far!  I followed your advice,
> changed BOTH throttle cables, and the force needed to control the
> throttle is much less, the bike is now rideable for at least short
> distances. Will take it on a long trip soon and then report back......
> 
> (The old cables sure looked like a mess when I removed them and
> inspected them up close.)
> 
> What about all the stripped screwdriver slots in all the fasteners
> that hold it together?  

Get the nearest size bit to what remains of the head. Coat it lightly in
fine valve grinding paste and thump it in. The shock can help break the
corrosion and the grinding paste helps the bit grip the head.

> I have one machine screw that is busted off 
> but it's above the casting so I can heat it after I remove the engine
> to keep from starting the whole bike on fire.  Z-1 Enterprises sells
> replacement machine screws for bikes that all have Allen heads.
> 
> My question to the group is this:
> 
> Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
> Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?

Stainless steel fasteners with, in personal order of preference, aluminium
grease, copper grease or moly grease thinly smeared in to the threads works
for me in the land of road salt.

> 
> Biker Dude in the Land of ZATAMM

1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> On Oct 7, 10:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
> 
> > Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
> 
> They salt the roads in England, don't they?

Yes, hence the copper grease. Your point?



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On Oct 7, 11:44 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:

> > They salt the roads in England, don't they?
>
> Yes, hence the copper grease. Your point?

Biker Dude in the Land of ZATAMM may or may not ride on salted roads.

AIR, the author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance began his
cross country fugue in Minnesota where it's cold and it snows at lot.

However, CalTrans doesn't salt California roads around here so a
metallic anti-seize compound is not required.

It's more important to have fasteners stay fastened on all day rides
on California's high speed roads.

And I haven't lost a threaded fastener off of one of my moyotorcycles
in years, after using the WD40 and hand torquing technique I mentioned
above.

On 8 Oct, 14:32, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 7, 11:44 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>
> Gentleman) wrote:
> > > They salt the roads in England, don't they?
>
> > Yes, hence the copper grease. Your point?
>
> Biker Dude in the Land of ZATAMM may or may not ride on salted roads.

So? Fasteners still corrode over time, unless you're living in a
really dry region.
>
> AIR, the author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance began his
> cross country fugue in Minnesota where it's cold and it snows at lot.

So? What has this to do with things?
>
> However, CalTrans doesn't salt California roads around here so a
> metallic anti-seize compound is not required.

So? Who knows where the OP lives?
>
> It's more important to have fasteners stay fastened on all day rides
> on California's high speed roads.

So? It's important to have fasteners stay fastened on *any* ride.
>
> And I haven't lost a threaded fastener off of one of my moyotorcycles
> in years, after using the WD40 and hand torquing technique I mentioned
> above.

Nor have I.

And again, your point?

On Oct 8, 7:03 am, "The Evil Clown" 
wrote:

> And again, your point?

That you are an argumentative Evil Clown and you will soon claim that
I'm stupid for not turning the OP's request for advice into a long
drawn out debate and you will then shift over to your version of
"humour" and claim that I have no sense of it.

On 8 Oct, 16:55, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 8, 7:03 am, "The Evil Clown" 
> wrote:
>
> > And again, your point?
>
> That you are an argumentative Evil Clown and you will soon claim that
> I'm stupid for not turning the OP's request for advice into a long
> drawn out debate and you will then shift over to your version of
> "humour" and claim that I have no sense of it.

I'm not arguing at all. I honestly can't understand what you're
blabbering on about. You've obviously decided to try and debate some
point or other, wittered on about Robert Pirsig, said that California
doesn't salt roads, and generally posted a load of irrelevant
nonsense.

Once more: your point? Please?

In article 
, 
1949 Whizzer  writes
>It's more important to have fasteners stay fastened on all day rides on 
>California's high speed roads.

OK, California's a big place, but 'high-speed roads'? Californians 
invented longitudinal six-lane parking (which I've 'enjoyed' on 101 in 
the past, several times).

If you're trying to impress a British NG, you might want to mention 
taking it over to the IoM for the TT...
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On 8 Oct, 17:03, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:
> In article
> ,
> 1949 Whizzer  writes
>
> >It's more important to have fasteners stay fastened on all day rides on
> >California's high speed roads.
>
> OK, California's a big place, but 'high-speed roads'? Californians
> invented longitudinal six-lane parking (which I've 'enjoyed' on 101 in
> the past, several times).
>
> If you're trying to impress a British NG, you might want to mention
> taking it over to the IoM for the TT...

I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.

And as proof, we can dig out the Clique Runners' impressive tally of
speeding tickets.

Really, though, he does post the most fearful bollocks.

>I'm not arguing at all. I honestly can't understand what you're
blabbering on about. You've obviously decided to try and debate some
point or other, wittered on about Robert Pirsig, said that California
doesn't salt roads, and generally posted a load of irrelevant
nonsense.

>Once more: your point? Please?

The point is TOG you are a supercilious cunt. If you don't like the 
conversation then fuck off.

On Oct 8, 9:02 am, "The Evil Clown" 
wrote:

> Once more: your point? Please?

That you are an argumentative Evil Clown and you will soon claim that
I'm stupid for not turning the OP's request for advice into a long
drawn out debate and you will then shift over to your version of
"humour" and claim that I have no sense of it.

On Oct 8, 9:03 am, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:

> OK, California's a big place, but 'high-speed roads'? Californians
> invented longitudinal six-lane parking (which I've 'enjoyed' on 101 in
> the past, several times).

That only happens during the two rush hours on the sections from the
stoplight at State St. in Santa Barbara to downtown Los Angeles, a
distance of about 100 miles.

And there is no place where 101 has six lanes, so far as I recall.

When I lived in Hollyweird, I would always take an alternate route
through Santa Paula and Fillmore whenever returning from Santa Barbara
on a Sunday afternoon.

Avid motorcyclists learned long ago that they needed to get up early
to beat the cagers if they wanted to use the 101 to go anywhere on
Sunday.

The cagers usually don't get onto the road before 11:00 AM and by that
time, Sunday riders who gathered at the Rock Store are typically on
their way home to watch a football game or to get in their own cage
and take their wife to the mall.

> If you're trying to impress a British NG, you might want to mention
> taking it over to the IoM for the TT...

I'm not trying to impress *anybody*. The Evil Clown that you know as
Neil Murray crossposted his troll to the UK groups just to stir up his
usual shite.

On Oct 8, 9:17 am, "TOG@Toil"  wrote:

> I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
> riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.

If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
be to tour historic buildings and museums.

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:36:05 -0700 (PDT), 1949 Whizzer
 wrote:

snip>

>I'm not trying to impress *anybody*. The Evil Clown that you know as
>Neil Murray crossposted his troll to the UK groups just to stir up his
>usual shite.

I think you'll find that the OP posted to three groups from the start
so forget the evil clown, let's concentrate on the sister fucking
redneck that doesn't know how to read headers.

That's you btw, don't be fooled into thinking I meant anyone else.

Mitch  wrote:

> >I'm not arguing at all. I honestly can't understand what you're
> blabbering on about. You've obviously decided to try and debate some
> point or other, wittered on about Robert Pirsig, said that California
> doesn't salt roads, and generally posted a load of irrelevant
> nonsense.
> 
> >Once more: your point? Please?
> 
> The point is TOG you are a supercilious cunt. If you don't like the 
> conversation then fuck off. 

Oh, I do like it. I love seeing Krusty make an arse of himself in front
of a global audience. Fun to watch you do it, too.

OP asked for advice. Mark Olson, myself and M Badger gave exactly the
same (good) advice. Krusty tried to stir it up and, interestingly, chose
to stir it up with me rather than the other two posters who gave the
same advice.

Now he realises he's looking silly and has started bleating.

End. Of.


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1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> The Evil Clown that you know as
> Neil Murray crossposted his troll to the UK groups just to stir up his
> usual shite.

I did? Are you sure it wasn't the OP?


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1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> On Oct 8, 9:02 am, "The Evil Clown" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Once more: your point? Please?
> 
> That you are an argumentative Evil Clown and you will soon claim that
> I'm stupid for not turning the OP's request for advice into a long
> drawn out debate and you will then shift over to your version of
> "humour" and claim that I have no sense of it.

Let's cut you some slack. What, exactly, was wrong with the advice given
by Mark, Badger and myself?


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In article 
, 1949 
Whizzer  writes
>On Oct 8, 9:03 am, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:
>
>> OK, California's a big place, but 'high-speed roads'? Californians
>> invented longitudinal six-lane parking (which I've 'enjoyed' on 101 in
>> the past, several times).
>
>That only happens during the two rush hours on the sections from the
>stoplight at State St. in Santa Barbara to downtown Los Angeles, a
>distance of about 100 miles.

I know the LA bit to which you refer too, and that's even more 
unattractive than the bit I was thinking of. So it happens there too! 
The difference down in LA, I suppose, is the propensity to open up with 
automatic weapons when boredom sets in.

>And there is no place where 101 has six lanes, so far as I recall.

Regarding how many lanes, I'm fairly certain there are a number of 
sections in the Bay area with five or six lanes each way, but I only 
meant six altogether.

>Avid motorcyclists learned long ago that they needed to get up early
>to beat the cagers if they wanted to use the 101 to go anywhere on
>Sunday.

Yeah, that's another bit of pan-US weirdness - why, in so many states, 
is it illegal to filter bikes through traffic? It seems totally daft to 
me. On several occasions I've driven (in a car) for miles in suburban 
Colorado too, every so often pulling alongside the same bike held up at 
yet another red light. It's daft.

>The cagers usually don't get onto the road before 11:00 AM and by that
>time, Sunday riders who gathered at the Rock Store are typically on
>their way home to watch a football game or to get in their own cage
>and take their wife to the mall.
>
>> If you're trying to impress a British NG, you might want to mention
>> taking it over to the IoM for the TT...
>
>I'm not trying to impress *anybody*. The Evil Clown that you know as
>Neil Murray crossposted his troll to the UK groups just to stir up his
>usual shite.

Well, your mileage does vary, for sure! "His usual shite" is generally 
considered valuable round 'ere.

But you were talking about 'fast' roads in California. I've driven 
Sacramento to SF in <3hours in the middle of the night (Highway 280, 
IIRC, starting around 2AM, in a car), but it was neither safe (after 
midnight it's no longer a legal requirement to look when pulling onto a 
major road, it seems), nor even close to German autobahn speeds. I've 
also driven Highway 5 south of Seattle, and I'd say daytime speeds on 
that are considerably higher than California, once you get out of the 
built-up areas.

But as I said, I'm sure your mileage varies...
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On Oct 8, 11:26 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Evil Clown)
wrote:
> 1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> Let's cut you some slack. What, exactly, was wrong with the advice given
> by Mark, Badger and myself?

Nothing. I typed "They salt the roads in England, don't they?", then
you morphed into your Evil Clown personality.

Go ahead, tell me that I'm stupid and that I have no sense of
"humour".

Type it a thousand times. Whatever it takes for you to experience your
way through this situation of causality.

On Oct 8, 11:34 am, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:

> The difference down in LA, I suppose, is the propensity to open up with
> automatic weapons when boredom sets in.

Objection. Hyperbole. Sustained.

> Regarding how many lanes, I'm fairly certain there are a number of
> sections in the Bay area with five or six lanes each way, but I only
> meant six altogether.

That's a very over-populated area too, with traffic-jammed rush hours.
It's actually worse than Los Angeles in that respect.

> Yeah, that's another bit of pan-US weirdness - why, in so many states,
> is it illegal to filter bikes through traffic?

It's caused by the kind of ignorance which is synonymous with bigotry.
The people of sparsely populated states don't want anybody to pass
them in order to clear out a traffic jam, and they act like a
filtering motorcyclist is some kind of felon when he splits lanes.

Narrow-minded people like that have to be convinced that filtering
really is a *better way*. However, the largest number of motorcycles
registered in the USA is in Southern California, where the traffic is
so congested that police cruisers cannot catch a lane-splitting rider
during rush hour.

> >I'm not trying to impress *anybody*. The Evil Clown that you know as
> >Neil Murray crossposted his troll to the UK groups just to stir up his
> >usual shite.
>
> Well, your mileage does vary, for sure! "His usual shite" is generally
> considered valuable round 'ere.

He's been wanting to argue with me for ten years, so I'm familiar with
his tricks to get me to respond.

> But you were talking about 'fast' roads in California.

I avoid riding at 100 mph or more.

Most left lane traffic on the Interstate highways will be cruising at
around 85 mph,
and the California Highway Patrol will pick out the most flagrant
violator, the one who makes himself obvious by moving from lane to
lane to pass traffic that's cruising above the maximum speed limit.

Motorists caught exceeding 100 mph will pay a $500 fine to the local
municipality for the first offense, plus a 50% penalty that goes to
the state of California.

The judge has the discretion as to whether to suspend the convicted
motorist's license. The motorist's license must be suspended on the
second offense.

Each succeeding offense adds about 50% to the fine, so the third
offense will
cost the impatient motorist about $1500 and he'll be walking or riding
in someone else's vehicle for a few years, unless he needs a waiver to
operate a vehicle in the pursuit of his employment.

However, if he has no valid license, he may find himself unemployed as
a result of the suspension.

In article 
, 1949 
Whizzer  writes
>Most left lane traffic on the Interstate highways will be cruising at 
>around 85 mph, and the California Highway Patrol will pick out the most 
>flagrant violator, the one who makes himself obvious by moving from 
>lane to lane to pass traffic that's cruising above the maximum speed 
>limit.

I've been caught (only once, thankfully) in an ice storm on I25 north of 
Denver with all lanes doing a suicidal 80+MPH - never been more 
frightened on a road in my life - but generally 85 wouldn't be 
considered all that fast here, although average motorway speeds are 
dropping because there are so many cameras now.

As I said though, neither country/state is especially fast compared to 
the Autobahn.
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1949 Whizzer wrote:

> On Oct 8, 9:17 am, "TOG@Toil"  wrote:
> 
> > I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
> > riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.
> 
> If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
> be to tour historic buildings and museums.

Europe has far too many bendy roads for most Yanks' little minds to
cope with.

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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:12:08 -0700 (PDT), Biker Dude
 wrote:

>Thanks to all who have helped me so far!  I followed your advice,
>changed BOTH throttle cables, and the force needed to control the
>throttle is much less, the bike is now rideable for at least short
>distances. Will take it on a long trip soon and then report back......
>
>(The old cables sure looked like a mess when I removed them and
>inspected them up close.)
>
>What about all the stripped screwdriver slots in all the fasteners
>that hold it together?  I have one machine screw that is busted off
>but it's above the casting so I can heat it after I remove the engine
>to keep from starting the whole bike on fire.  Z-1 Enterprises sells
>replacement machine screws for bikes that all have Allen heads.
>
>My question to the group is this:
>
>Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
>Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?

If you've got a real problem with partly-chewed Philips-head screws,
one trick a bike breaker showed me is to put a pin punch against the
head and give it a couple of sharp taps with a hammer. This can help
free the screw and closes up the slot, in fact you may need to tap a
screwdrive bit into it - it will form a good tight fit.

Personally, I hate Philips screws, but if they've come out OK then
unless the bike was special to me then I wouldn't bother replacing
them. Usually they come in all sorts of different lengths that are a
bugger to match.

I'd just use copper grease, but then I've got a ruddy great tub of the
stuff.


-- 
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT), 1949 Whizzer
 wrote:

>On Oct 7, 10:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>Gentleman) wrote:
>
>> Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
>
>They salt the roads in England, don't they?

The problem is not salt, but ferous screws into alu alloy threads.
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1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> Nothing. I typed "They salt the roads in England, don't they?", then
> you morphed into your Evil Clown personality.

And *I* couldn't understand what you were trying to say and replied:

"Yes, hence the copper grease. Your point?"

Your call now.


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1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> He's been wanting to argue with me for ten years,

Proof?

> so I'm familiar with
> his tricks to get me to respond.

Who started this 'discussion'?


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Champ  wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT), 1949 Whizzer
>  wrote:
> 
> >On Oct 7, 10:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> >Gentleman) wrote:
> >
> >> Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
> >
> >They salt the roads in England, don't they?
> 
> The problem is not salt, but ferous screws into alu alloy threads.

Precisely. Hence the use of copper-based grease. I bet you use the
stuff, too.[1]

Something like 20 years ago I bought a bloody great tin of the stuff.
It's still only half-used.


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Pip Luscher  wrote:

> I'd just use copper grease,

That's four votes for it so far ;-)

> but then I've got a ruddy great tub of the
> stuff.

Ditto


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SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:

> >I'm not trying to impress *anybody*. The Evil Clown that you know as
> >Neil Murray crossposted his troll to the UK groups just to stir up his
> >usual shite.
> 
> Well, your mileage does vary, for sure! 

Indeed. I've pointed out (as has another poster) that I didn't X-post
anything: that the OP posted to three ngs.

I'm waiting for an apology but I'm not holding my breath.


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Been a while since you were on Hwy. 101.
No lights on it in Santa Barbara for some years now.
In fact it is three lanes in each direction there all the way from
Goleta.
Construction is going on now to extend those to Summerland.
It is three lanes from Muscle Shoals all the way to Camarillo
where it goes to 4 lanes in each direction.

Yes the fun way to LA is to go through Ojai.
Once split off from my sister who was caging it to LA.
I went through Ojai, Santa Paula, Mulholland, Latigo, Malibu
and still passed her on PCH in Hermosa Beach. And I went
an additional 80 miles.

JohnA in LA, CA USA

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:33:32 +0100, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:

<copper-based grease>

>Something like 20 years ago I bought a bloody great tin of the stuff.
>It's still only half-used.

Me too - I suspect it will outlast me.
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"TOG@Toil"  wrote in message 
news:08d1baf9-1b6f-456a-b741-67b3f79044bb@v20g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
> On 8 Oct, 17:03, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:
>> In article
>> ,
>> 1949 Whizzer  writes
>>
>> >It's more important to have fasteners stay fastened on all day rides on
>> >California's high speed roads.
>>
>> OK, California's a big place, but 'high-speed roads'? Californians
>> invented longitudinal six-lane parking (which I've 'enjoyed' on 101 in
>> the past, several times).
>>
>> If you're trying to impress a British NG, you might want to mention
>> taking it over to the IoM for the TT...
>

>
> Really, though, he does post the most fearful bollocks.

What is a "bullock"?

All I know is to not pay them any mind when the Sex Pistols are here.

On Oct 8, 1:57 pm, JohnA in LA  wrote:

> Been a while since you were on Hwy. 101.

Actually, I was in Santa Barbara about two weeks ago.

> No lights on it in Santa Barbara for some years now.

You're right. It's amazing that it failed to register that the State
St. stoplight was gone. It was the only stoplight between Los Angeles
and San Francisco for years.

> Construction is going on now to extend those to Summerland.

Yes, I noticed that two weeks ago.

> Yes the fun way to LA is to go through Ojai.

Shhhh! Don't tell all the blokes in old blighty. Hwy 150 is a terrible
road, absolutely terrible, bad pavement, nothing to see, move on
folks.

Actually, I remember Hwy 150 before Lake Casitas existed. Hwy 150
originally ran straight through the Santa Ana valley to Foster Park
instead of Miramonte...

> Once split off from my sister who was caging it to LA.

Yes, it's very possible to get stuck in stop and go traffic all the
way from Oxnard to the interchange with the San Diego Freeway.

But I remember Hwy 101 when it wasn't a freeway at all, just a four
lane divided road and I could drive my Jaguar 80 mph all the way from
Ventura to LAX.

Los Angeles has grown some since then...

> I went through Ojai

Never say "Ojai", say "Shangri-La" to confuse the Japanese and other
enemy aliens like Limeys.

On Oct 8, 1:36 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Evil Clown)
wrote:

> I'm waiting for an apology but I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe you should practice holding your breath. It might be an
advantage, considering your personal proclivities.

On Oct 8, 12:45 pm, Champ  wrote:

> The problem is not salt, but ferous screws into alu alloy threads.

Did you forget about *moisture* and *oxygen* getting between the
screws and the alloy parts?

Nothing happens without the critical moisture and oxygen.

I live in the desert, so I don't have the rust or corrosion problems
that you blokes have.

On Oct 7, 11:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
Gentleman) wrote:
> Biker Dude  wrote:
> > Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
> > Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?
>
> Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.

I 've always favored graphite or molydbneum<sic> based anti-sieze
compounds. But that's just me...

On Oct 8, 10:25 am, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 8, 9:02 am, "The Evil Clown" 
> wrote:
>
> > Once more: your point? Please?
>
> That you are an argumentative Evil Clown and you will soon claim that
> I'm stupid for not turning the OP's request for advice into a long
> drawn out debate and you will then shift over to your version of
> "humour" and claim that I have no sense of it.

Speaking of yourself again I see. You sick demented fraud.

On Oct 8, 10:03 am, SpamTrapSeeSig  wrote:
> In article
> ,
> 1949 Whizzer  writes
>
> >It's more important to have fasteners stay fastened on all day rides on
> >California's high speed roads.
>
> OK, California's a big place, but 'high-speed roads'? Californians
> invented longitudinal six-lane parking (which I've 'enjoyed' on 101 in
> the past, several times).
>
> If you're trying to impress a British NG, you might want to mention
> taking it over to the IoM for the TT...

A T-500 (suzuki to those younger than dirt) would be more fun and very
apropriate imnsho. 8^)

On Oct 8, 10:38 am, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 8, 9:17 am, "TOG@Toil"  wrote:
>
> > I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
> > riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.
>
> If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
> be to tour historic buildings and museums.

BORING...building blow. History you can learn at home. Road and what
is between the ditches is what matters...the rest is just window
dressing. Which is what I'd make of your guts given half a chance and
a rusty file.

On Oct 8, 1:35 pm, "Lozzo"  wrote:
> 1949 Whizzer wrote:
> > On Oct 8, 9:17 am, "TOG@Toil"  wrote:
>
> > > I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
> > > riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.
>
> > If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
> > be to tour historic buildings and museums.
>
> Europe has far too many bendy roads for most Yanks' little minds to
> cope with.

Thank the Farce I'm not one of those losers.

1949 Whizzer wrote:

> On Oct 7, 10:12 am, Biker Dude  wrote:
> 
>> Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
>> Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?
> 
> I don't use either one on screw threads.
> 
> I spray WD40 on the threads so the screw will turn in smoothly.
> 
> I never use a torque wrench on threads that I've lubricated in this
> manner, I rely upon my calibrated wrist when tightening the bolt.
> 
> Several months (or years) later, when I loosen the WD40 lubricated
> bolt, it takes the same amount of force as if I was loosening a
> factory intalled bolt.
> 
> The bolt (or screw) comes loose with a *snapping* sound.

Snapping sounds on undoing a fastener not Loctited are generally not good.
It points to contact face issues such as corrosion, galling, scarring or
localised weld points fracturing as the contact faces rotate as the
clamping force is removed. This interference twixt fastener and fastened,
coupled with the distortion of the threads pressure face and the metals
propensity to want to return to its original shape gives in part the
clamping pressure. This is good for internal assemblys, not so good for
external case covers where all we desire is the fasteners to provide
sufficient, uniform clamping pressure to allow a gasket or O ring to do its
job until we want to remove the cover.

An assembly paste, be it a grease type or Loctite type coats the thread
contact faces to minimise metal-metal contact and fill the voids to
minimise or indeed eliminate the possibility of outside agents entering the
voids[1], causing corrosion and swelling, leading to chewed heads when it
comes to undoing them.  

That 'snapping' sound is worthy of research. I haven't worded it
particularly well, but I hope I have managed to pique some curiosity in to
the method of operation of threaded fasteners.

The links provided by Mark, after Mark Olsens post provide some good reading
for the curious geek.


[1]Images of 'Mission Impossible' type micro-agents seeking out a means of
ingress to fastener voids and filling them with magic corrosion stuff.

Schiffner  wrote:

> On Oct 7, 11:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> Gentleman) wrote:
> > Biker Dude  wrote:
> > > Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
> > > Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?
> >
> > Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
> 
> I 've always favored graphite or molydbneum<sic> based anti-sieze
> compounds. But that's just me...

I've got a tin of moly grease as well. I use it on... can't remember
what, actually, but some things.

The copper grese is the preferred one, though. I use that on brake
components (like the K11's caliper pins, when I replaced the pads last
weekend). Not sure if moly grease is good for high temperatures. Any
ideas?


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1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> On Oct 8, 1:36 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Evil Clown)
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm waiting for an apology but I'm not holding my breath.
> 
> Maybe you should practice holding your breath. It might be an
> advantage, considering your personal proclivities.

I'm a free diver?


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1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> On Oct 8, 12:45 pm, Champ  wrote:
> 
> > The problem is not salt, but ferous screws into alu alloy threads.
> 
> Did you forget about *moisture* and *oxygen* getting between the
> screws and the alloy parts?
> 
> Nothing happens without the critical moisture and oxygen.
> 
> I live in the desert, so I don't have the rust or corrosion problems
> that you blokes have.

Things still corrode in the desert. Just not so fast.

Ah! Are you saying that the OP lives in the desert, too?

Are you saying that it's bad practice to use copper grease on the
threads, then? Fine. The four of us who recommended the OP do so (five,
if you include your use of WD40) will be very pleased to know.

<Shrug>

You fucked up again. Posted a load of bollocks, and are now screaming
that it's someone else's fault for (a) arguing you into it and (b)
x-posting it.

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The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Schiffner  wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 7, 11:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>> Gentleman) wrote:
>> > Biker Dude  wrote:
>> > > Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
>> > > Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?
>> >
>> > Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
>> 
>> I 've always favored graphite or molydbneum<sic> based anti-sieze
>> compounds. But that's just me...
> 
> I've got a tin of moly grease as well. I use it on... can't remember
> what, actually, but some things.

Drive shaft splines, spider joint splines. That kind of thing. Its not bad
in wheel bearings either.

> 
> The copper grese is the preferred one, though. I use that on brake
> components (like the K11's caliper pins, when I replaced the pads last
> weekend). Not sure if moly grease is good for high temperatures. Any
> ideas?
> 

Moly is very very good at high temperatures and pressures, ie, contact
points in final drives in grease applications. As an additive for bevel
boxes, it scores very well too. Molyslip actually does what it claims to do
in gearboxes, final drives etc. Still wouldn't add it to an engines oil
supply. Much much better than the chlorinated paraffin crap.

Honda do a moly grease for their splines, as do BMW. This is a much thicker
grease than the 500g tubs from Halfords with a very high moly content. A
small tube will last years. ( thinks ) My tub of copper grease must be 20
years old at least. Its actually a metal tin, not plastic, so that ages it.
Enough left for a few more years though.  My moly tub is all but empty. I
used to use moly grease on the drive chain of my MZ. Grease fling is not an
issue with that chain cover.

>

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:27:17 +0100, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Schiffner  wrote:
>
>> On Oct 7, 11:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>> Gentleman) wrote:
>> > Biker Dude  wrote:
>> > > Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
>> > > Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?
>> >
>> > Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
>> 
>> I 've always favored graphite or molydbneum<sic> based anti-sieze
>> compounds. But that's just me...
>
>I've got a tin of moly grease as well. I use it on... can't remember
>what, actually, but some things.
>
BMW splined shafts.

>The copper grese is the preferred one, though. I use that on brake
>components (like the K11's caliper pins, when I replaced the pads last
>weekend). Not sure if moly grease is good for high temperatures. Any
>ideas?

We use moly on steam turbine cylinder studs and the inner ones are
running hotter than  any motorbike parts so I'd say that it's ok.

On 9 Oct, 10:15, Andy Bonwick  wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:27:17 퍝, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The
>
>
>
> Older Gentleman) wrote:
> >Schiffner  wrote:
>
> >> On Oct 7, 11:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> >> Gentleman) wrote:
> >> > Biker Dude  wrote:
> >> > > Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc> >> > > Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?
>
> >> > Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
>
> >> I 've always favored graphite or molydbneum<sic> based anti-sieze
> >> compounds. But that's just me...
>
> >I've got a tin of moly grease as well. I use it on... can't remember
> >what, actually, but some things.
>
> BMW splined shafts.
>
> >The copper grese is the preferred one, though. I use that on brake
> >components (like the K11's caliper pins, when I replaced the pads last
> >weekend). Not sure if moly grease is good for high temperatures. Any
> >ideas?
>
> We use moly on steam turbine cylinder studs and the inner ones are
> running hotter than  any motorbike parts so I'd say that it's ok.

Sounds good enough for me  :-). What's wrong with using graphite
grease on aluminium components, then?

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 03:23:16 -0700 (PDT), "TOG@Toil"
 wrote:

>On 9 Oct, 10:15, Andy Bonwick  wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:27:17 +0100, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The
>>
>>
>>
>> Older Gentleman) wrote:
>> >Schiffner  wrote:
>>
>> >> On Oct 7, 11:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
>> >> Gentleman) wrote:
>> >> > Biker Dude  wrote:
>> >> > > Should I install Allen head screws with anti-sieze compound or Loc-
>> >> > > Tite on the threads to reduce the dissimilar metal corrosion?
>>
>> >> > Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
>>
>> >> I 've always favored graphite or molydbneum<sic> based anti-sieze
>> >> compounds. But that's just me...
>>
>> >I've got a tin of moly grease as well. I use it on... can't remember
>> >what, actually, but some things.
>>
>> BMW splined shafts.
>>
>> >The copper grese is the preferred one, though. I use that on brake
>> >components (like the K11's caliper pins, when I replaced the pads last
>> >weekend). Not sure if moly grease is good for high temperatures. Any
>> >ideas?
>>
>> We use moly on steam turbine cylinder studs and the inner ones are
>> running hotter than  any motorbike parts so I'd say that it's ok.
>
>Sounds good enough for me  :-). What's wrong with using graphite
>grease on aluminium components, then?

No idea but I can't think of an application where I'd want to use
graphite over moly or copper.

I'm lucky because I've got moly paste, copper paste, moly spray and
copper spray to choose from plus other stuff that I can't mention on
here because it's 'special' and I shouldn't really have it.

Andy Bonwick wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:27:17 +0100, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The
> Older Gentleman) wrote:
>>
>> I've got a tin of moly grease as well. I use it on... can't remember
>> what, actually, but some things.
>>
> BMW splined shafts.

Moly paste.  Moly grease is grease with molybdenum in it, but not in 
sufficient concentration for output shafts and the like.  I'm sure we went 
through this a few years ago - BMW sell some special unpronounceable stuff 
for the purpose.

Andy Bonwick wrote:
>
> I'm lucky because I've got moly paste, copper paste, moly spray and
> copper spray to choose from plus other stuff that I can't mention on
> here because it's 'special' and I shouldn't really have it.

Andy's 'special' grease...

That doesn't sound good.

-- 
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:28:44 +0100, "Alex Ferrier" <x@x.x> wrote:

>Andy Bonwick wrote:
>>
>> I'm lucky because I've got moly paste, copper paste, moly spray and
>> copper spray to choose from plus other stuff that I can't mention on
>> here because it's 'special' and I shouldn't really have it.
>
>Andy's 'special' grease...
>
>That doesn't sound good.

It's special because of where it's designed to be used, not because of
what I choose to use it for.

On Oct 8, 11:27 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Evil Clown)
wrote:

> Ah! Are you saying that the OP lives in the desert, too?

No. Just let it go.
>
> Are you saying that it's bad practice to use copper grease on the
> threads, then?

No. Just let it go.

On Oct 8, 11:27 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Evil Clown)
wrote:
> 1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> > Maybe you should practice holding your breath. It might be an
> > advantage, considering your personal proclivities.
>
> I'm a free diver?

No, you're a deep throater.

On 9 Oct, 14:50, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 8, 11:27 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Evil Clown)
> wrote:
>
> > 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> > > Maybe you should practice holding your breath. It might be an
> > > advantage, considering your personal proclivities.
>
> > I'm a free diver?
>
> No, you're a deep throater.

Oh dear. And you want me to "let it go"? Tell you what, you trying
making a post without a playground obscenity in it.....

On Oct 9, 7:04 am, "The Evil Clown" 
wrote:

> Oh dear. And you want me to "let it go"?

Yeah. You need to let go of my dick.

> Tell you what, you trying making a post without a playground obscenity in it.....

I'm not going to make any kind of deal with you, ya Limey cunt.

If I post an answer to an OP's question and you don't like my answer?
Then kiss my ass, because I don't give a dead Jamie's ass.

On Oct 9, 4:26 am, "platypus"  wrote:
> Andy Bonwick wrote:

> > BMW splined shafts.
>
> Moly paste.  Moly grease is grease with molybdenum in it, but not in
> sufficient concentration for output shafts and the like.  I'm sure we went
> through this a few years ago - BMW sell some special unpronounceable stuff
> for the purpose.

And the lube of choice for BMWs is Honda Moly-Lube.

On 9 Oct, 15:15, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 9, 7:04 am, "The Evil Clown" 
> wrote:
>
> > Oh dear. And you want me to "let it go"?
>
> Yeah. You need to let go of my dick.
>
> > Tell you what, you trying making a post without a playground obscenity in it.....
>
> I'm not going to make any kind of deal with you, ya Limey cunt.

That's another obscene insult, isn't it?
>
> If I post an answer to an OP's question and you don't like my answer?

Why don't you re-read the thread? I never said I didn't like your
answer. It was *you* who objected to *mine*, sweetie-pie. Is this part
of your attempts to claim that I keep persecuting you?

> Then kiss my ass, because I don't give a dead Jamie's ass.

Big Man. Your call. But you're digging a humungous hole here. Best you
stop.

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:26:52 GMT, "platypus"
 wrote:

>Andy Bonwick wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:27:17 +0100, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The
>> Older Gentleman) wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got a tin of moly grease as well. I use it on... can't remember
>>> what, actually, but some things.
>>>
>> BMW splined shafts.
>
>Moly paste.  Moly grease is grease with molybdenum in it, but not in 
>sufficient concentration for output shafts and the like.  I'm sure we went 
>through this a few years ago - BMW sell some special unpronounceable stuff 
>for the purpose.

Yeah, I should have read his post a bit more closely.

Moly paste is the shit I've got in the garage.

1949 Whizzer wrote:

> On Oct 8, 9:17 am, "TOG@Toil"  wrote:
> 
> > I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
> > riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.
> 
> If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
> be to tour historic buildings and museums.

I bet you're a riot at social gatherings, mate

-- 
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appeasing the sig nazis

On Oct 9, 11:08�am, "Dan L"  wrote:
> 1949 Whizzer wrote:

> > If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
> > be to tour historic buildings and museums.
>
> I bet you're a riot at social gatherings, mate

That's true. People always talk about my reactionary public speech for
days or weeks afterwards.

The tactful ones call me "tactless".

The tactless ones call me an "asshole".

There are inevitable changes in the group dynamic in the aftermath of
such events.

1949 Whizzer wrote:

> On Oct 9, 11:08�am, "Dan L"  wrote:
> > 1949 Whizzer wrote:
> 
> > > If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it
> > > will be to tour historic buildings and museums.
> > 
> > I bet you're a riot at social gatherings, mate
> 
> That's true. People always talk about my reactionary public speech for
> days or weeks afterwards.
> 
> The tactful ones call me "tactless".
> 
> The tactless ones call me an "asshole".
> 
> There are inevitable changes in the group dynamic in the aftermath of
> such events.

Heh, I think I can guess which camp I'd be in but heh, we pride
ourselves on free speech this side of t'pond.

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appeasing the sig nazis

On Oct 9, 11:53 am, "Dan L"  wrote:

> Heh, I think I can guess which camp I'd be in but heh, we pride
> ourselves on free speech this side of t'pond.

We Americans *invented* free speech, yannow, and we don't have check
our guns out of a closet at the constabulary and return them after
shooting either.

1949 Whizzer  wrote:

> On Oct 9, 11:53 am, "Dan L"  wrote:
> 
> > Heh, I think I can guess which camp I'd be in but heh, we pride
> > ourselves on free speech this side of t'pond.
> 
> We Americans *invented* free speech, yannow, and we don't have check
> our guns out of a closet at the constabulary and return them after
> shooting either.

Nor do we. Your point?


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The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Champ  wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT), 1949 Whizzer
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > >On Oct 7, 10:35 am, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older
> > >Gentleman) wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anti-seize. Copper grease is fine.
> > >
> > >They salt the roads in England, don't they?
> > 
> > The problem is not salt, but ferous screws into alu alloy threads.
> 
> Precisely. Hence the use of copper-based grease. I bet you use the
> stuff, too.[1]
> 
> Something like 20 years ago I bought a bloody great tin of the stuff.
> It's still only half-used.

Tin? I bought a small tube. Even that's likely to outlast me and I put a 
smear on any bolt or machine screw that comes within a ten foot radius 
of my garage.

-- 
ogden

Dan L wrote:
> 1949 Whizzer wrote:
> 
> > On Oct 8, 9:17 am, "TOG@Toil"  wrote:
> > 
> > > I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
> > > riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.
> > 
> > If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
> > be to tour historic buildings and museums.
> 
> I bet you're a riot at social gatherings, mate

Last time I went to "Europe", I spent 9 days riding a motorcycle and one 
day touring historic buildings and museums.

There's room for both, you know.

-- 
ogden

1949 Whizzer wrote:
> On Oct 9, 11:53 am, "Dan L"  wrote:
> 
> > Heh, I think I can guess which camp I'd be in but heh, we pride
> > ourselves on free speech this side of t'pond.
> 
> We Americans *invented* free speech, yannow

Milton was a yank?

Explains a lot, I suppose.

-- 
ogden

On Oct 9, 12:42 pm, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 9, 11:08 am, "Dan L"  wrote:
>
> > 1949 Whizzer wrote:
> > > If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
> > > be to tour historic buildings and museums.
>
> > I bet you're a riot at social gatherings, mate
>
> That's true. People always talk about my reactionary public speech for
> days or weeks afterwards.

Lying racist chickenhawk. Oh and your an ugly fat fuck to boot.

> The tactful ones call me "tactless".

Yep the rest of us just take a tyre iron to you and your
vehicles....then set fire to both.

> The tactless ones call me an "asshole".

Naw I just tell the truth...you like to seduce young men. Or in older
slang you are a chickenhawk....an ass raping one at that.

> There are inevitable changes in the group dynamic in the aftermath of
> such events.

Yeah, you get hauled off to hospital and everyone else tells the same
story "I dunno, we were all inside when he went out and when joe went
out a half hour later well there he was...beaten, bloody with a
muffler from a Jawa shoved up his ass".

And that's the truth Mr. Copper.

On Oct 9, 3:34 pm, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 9, 11:53 am, "Dan L"  wrote:
>
> > Heh, I think I can guess which camp I'd be in but heh, we pride
> > ourselves on free speech this side of t'pond.
>
> We Americans *invented* free speech, yannow, and we don't have check
> our guns out of a closet at the constabulary and return them after
> shooting either.

Lying shit...

On Oct 9, 4:30 pm, ogden  wrote:
> Dan L wrote:
> > 1949 Whizzer wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 8, 9:17 am, "TOG@Toil"  wrote:
>
> > > > I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
> > > > riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.
>
> > > If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it will
> > > be to tour historic buildings and museums.
>
> > I bet you're a riot at social gatherings, mate
>
> Last time I went to "Europe", I spent 9 days riding a motorcycle and one
> day touring historic buildings and museums.
>
> There's room for both, you know.

Well that's the problem see. He's one of those people that are an
embarssment to not just his country but whatever species he belongs to.

On Oct 9, 7:49 am, 1949 Whizzer  wrote:
> On Oct 8, 11:27 pm, totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk (The Evil Clown)
> wrote:
>
> > Ah! Are you saying that the OP lives in the desert, too?
>
> No. Just let it go.
>
>
>
> > Are you saying that it's bad practice to use copper grease on the
> > threads, then?
>
> No. Just let it go.

Ah admiting you are full of shit...yeah right you lying sack of shit.
Oh and in case anyoen hasn't guessed I hate him and all his racist ass
raping buddies. Thing is they are too cowardly to stand up face to
face. Afraid and short guy....short guy that owns a shovel and a drop
cloth.

ogden wrote:

> Dan L wrote:
> > 1949 Whizzer wrote:
> > 
> > > On Oct 8, 9:17 am, "TOG@Toil" 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I think if Krusty and other Yanks want to see all-day high-speed
> > > > riding, they really need to pop over to Europe.
> > > 
> > > If I ever go back to Europe, it won't be to ride motorcycles, it
> > > will be to tour historic buildings and museums.
> > 
> > I bet you're a riot at social gatherings, mate
> 
> Last time I went to "Europe", I spent 9 days riding a motorcycle and
> one day touring historic buildings and museums.
> 
> There's room for both, you know.

Indeed, and you seem to have got the right balance there too, unlike
the leftpondian.

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appeasing the sig nazis

This is just superb

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Superb-Honda-c90-Special-Retro-Commuter-Roadster_W
0QQitemZ150378571350

Honda C90 project, in retro style with home-made frame.

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totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) spewed forth:

>This is just superb
>
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Superb-Honda-c90-Special-Retro-Commuter-Roadster_W
>0QQitemZ150378571350
>
>Honda C90 project, in retro style with home-made frame.

That's great!
-- 

Fr. Jack

I hear you talking but the words are kinda strange

The Older Gentleman wrote:
> This is just superb
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Superb-Honda-c90-Special-Retro-Commuter-Roadster_W
> 0QQitemZ150378571350
>
> Honda C90 project, in retro style with home-made frame.

Wonderful.  Small but perfectly formed.  I suspect it's tinier than meets 
the eye, like a stretched-out monkey bike or a Japanese Bantam rip-off.

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, The Older 
Gentleman  typed
>This is just superb
>
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Superb-Honda-c90-Special-Retro-Commuter-Roadster_W
>0QQitemZ150378571350
>
>Honda C90 project, in retro style with home-made frame.

That's really rather pretty.

Unfortunately, he's called it a "Bandara", which is far too close to my 
first wife's maiden name (Bhandara), so I could never really trust it.

-- 
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

If I said what's on my mind, you'd turn and walk away.