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date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:58:13 +0100,    group: uk.rec.motorcycles.classic        back       
Norton cylinder full of oil   
Hmm...

Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage for a 
play today.

I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.

When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping the 
plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full of engine 
oil.

Great. Wet sump.

Ah well, drained and refilled with fresh oil, fired the beastie up and 
got it MOTd. Marvellous.

Mind you, the handling's a bit squirrely with 4PSI in both tyres... =8^O

-- 
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:58:13 +0100   author:   Wicked Uncle Nigel

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> Hmm...
> 
> Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage
> for a play today.
> 
> I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
> 
> When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping the
> plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full of
> engine oil.

A British bike that holds oil?
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:34:05 GMT   author:   platypus

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic Wicked Uncle Nigel  wrote:

> When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping the 
> plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full of engine 
> oil.

I think the former Messrs Norton Villiers Triumph would take a dim view of
this.   After all, surely their products were carefully designed (by
committee) so as to be incapable of holding oil.   All the British bikes I
ever owned (present Hinckley Triumph excepted) were built in this way; any
other way was unthinkable.  It's part of yer national 'eritage, surely, like
a Fray Bentos steak & kidney pie <sobs into beer>

-- 
                                 Andy Clews
                            University of Sussex
                 *** Remove DENTURES if replying by email ***
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:54:26 +0000 (UTC)   author:   unknown

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> Hmm...
>
> Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage for a
> play today.
>
> I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
>
> When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping the
> plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full of engine
> oil.
>
> Great. Wet sump.
>
> Ah well, drained and refilled with fresh oil, fired the beastie up and
> got it MOTd. Marvellous.
>
> Mind you, the handling's a bit squirrely with 4PSI in both tyres... =8^O

The Land Rover of motorcycles....

-- 


Nige, 'It's all about the speed'

Range Rover Td6 Vogue
BMW K1200S
Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3
Focus ST3
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:22:03 +0100   author:   Nige

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk saying
something like:

>national 'eritage, surely, like a Fray Bentos 

"Are you the Man from UNCLE?"

"Nah, Ah'm the man fray Bentos."
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:43:16 +0100   author:   Grimly Curmudgeon

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
In message , Wicked Uncle Nigel 
 writes
>Hmm...
>
>Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage for 
>a play today.
>
>I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
>
>When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping the 
>plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full of engine 
>oil.
>
>Great. Wet sump.
>
>Ah well, drained and refilled with fresh oil, fired the beastie up and 
>got it MOTd. Marvellous.
>
>Mind you, the handling's a bit squirrely with 4PSI in both tyres... =8^O
>


Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below the 
level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from happening?

-- 
Mike Buckley
RD350LC2
CB72
http://www.toastyhamster.plus.com
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:53:12 +0100   author:   mike. buckley

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
mike. buckley wrote:

> In message , Wicked Uncle Nigel
>  writes
> > Hmm...
> > 
> > Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage
> > for a play today.
> > 
> > I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
> > 
> > When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping
> > the plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full
> > of engine oil.
> > 
> > Great. Wet sump.
> 
> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below the
> level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from happening?

Not in a dry sump engine.

-- 
Krusty
www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
Off-Road Classifieds

'02 MV Senna  '03 Tiger 955i  '96 Tiger  '79 Fantic Hiro 250
date: 27 Sep 2008 23:05:49 GMT   author:   Krusty lid

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Krusty 
<dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> typed
>mike. buckley wrote:
>
>> In message , Wicked Uncle Nigel
>>  writes
>> > Hmm...
>> >
>> > Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage
>> > for a play today.
>> >
>> > I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
>> >
>> > When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping
>> > the plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full
>> > of engine oil.
>> >
>> > Great. Wet sump.
>>
>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below the
>> level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from happening?
>
>Not in a dry sump engine.

What him said.

Results of test riding:

Gearbox rebuild: success. No longer leaps out of second.

Clutch: still slipping. Bugger. New plates and oil seal, methinks.

-- 
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:33:28 +0100   author:   Wicked Uncle Nigel

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
In message <pYSbC5xYDt3IJA+y@rcav8r.demon.co.uk>, Wicked Uncle Nigel 
 writes
>Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Krusty 
><dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> typed
>>mike. buckley wrote:
>>
>>> In message , Wicked Uncle Nigel
>>>  writes
>>> > Hmm...
>>> >
>>> > Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage
>>> > for a play today.
>>> >
>>> > I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
>>> >
>>> > When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping
>>> > the plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full
>>> > of engine oil.
>>> >
>>> > Great. Wet sump.
>>>
>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below the
>>> level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from happening?
>>
>>Not in a dry sump engine.
>
>What him said.
>

<ponders>

So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?

-- 
Mike Buckley
RD350LC2
CB72
http://www.toastyhamster.plus.com
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:57:34 +0100   author:   mike. buckley

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, mike. buckley 
 typed
>In message <pYSbC5xYDt3IJA+y@rcav8r.demon.co.uk>, Wicked Uncle Nigel 
> writes
>>Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Krusty 
>><dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> typed
>>>mike. buckley wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message , Wicked Uncle Nigel
>>>>  writes
>>>> > Hmm...
>>>> >
>>>> > Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage
>>>> > for a play today.
>>>> >
>>>> > I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
>>>> >
>>>> > When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping
>>>> > the plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full
>>>> > of engine oil.
>>>> >
>>>> > Great. Wet sump.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below the
>>>> level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from happening?
>>>
>>>Not in a dry sump engine.
>>
>>What him said.
>>
>
><ponders>
>
>So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?

Noi in the frame, and in fact it's about in line with the CH.

I think the crankcase had filled, and that was splashing enough oil up 
to cause a hydraulic lock. Or something. *Whatever*, it's fixed now.

-- 
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:43:56 +0100   author:   Wicked Uncle Nigel

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
In article , Nige 
 writes
>Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:

>The Land Rover of motorcycles....

Steady! My land rover holds oil really well, er, apart from...
<wanders off again, muttering>
-- 
SimonM
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date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:03:27 GMT   author:   SpamTrapSeeSig

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
platypus wrote:

> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> > Hmm...
> > 
> > Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage
> > for a play today.
> > 
> > I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
> > 
> > When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping the
> > plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full of
> > engine oil.
> 
> A British bike that holds oil?

'slright, it's only temporary.

-- 
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The ALL NEW ukrm website : http://www.ukrm.info
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date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:00:15 +0100   author:   Cab

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
SpamTrapSeeSig typed:
> In article , Nige
>  writes
>> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> 
>> The Land Rover of motorcycles....
> 
> Steady! My land rover holds oil really well, er, apart from...
> <wanders off again, muttering>

"If your Land Rover doesn't leak oil, that means it's empty."

-- 
Rich B

1971 S2a
1995 XT600E
2006 GT1000 - sale agreed
Oh, and a Ford

Take out the obvious to email me.
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:31:00 +0100   author:   Rich B

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
In article , Rich B 
 writes
>SpamTrapSeeSig typed:
>> In article , Nige
>>  writes
>>> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>
>>> The Land Rover of motorcycles....
>>  Steady! My land rover holds oil really well, er, apart from...
>> <wanders off again, muttering>
>
>"If your Land Rover doesn't leak oil, that means it's empty."

Aye :-(

But she good as sailed through her MOT last week. Not bad for her 
coming-of-age birthday.
-- 
SimonM
                            ----- TubeWiz.com -----
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                  Try it today! (now with DFace blurring)
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:03:33 GMT   author:   SpamTrapSeeSig

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
SpamTrapSeeSig typed:
> In article , Rich B
>  writes
>> SpamTrapSeeSig typed:
>>> In article , Nige
>>>  writes
>>>> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The Land Rover of motorcycles....
>>>  Steady! My land rover holds oil really well, er, apart from...
>>> <wanders off again, muttering>
>> 
>> "If your Land Rover doesn't leak oil, that means it's empty."
> 
> Aye :-(
> 
> But she good as sailed through her MOT last week. Not bad for her
> coming-of-age birthday.

<raises a glass in congratulation>

-- 
Rich B

1971 S2a
1995 XT600E
2006 GT1000
Oh, and a Ford

Take out the obvious to email me.
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:39:01 +0100   author:   Rich B

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:03:27 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig
 wrote:

>In article , Nige 
> writes
>>Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>
>>The Land Rover of motorcycles....
>
>Steady! My land rover holds oil really well, er, apart from...
><wanders off again, muttering>

the last three cars I've owned have leaked oil. Rover 800 (yeah, yeah,
but I liked it) pissed oil from the head gasket; the next car, a
Suzuki Vitara, was oiltight when I bought it, then the sump pan rotted
through a year or so later. 

The latest car, a Daihatsu Fourtrak, was again oiltight when I bought
it and now drips merrily onto the drive. No obvious source for the
oil, especially as it appears to be on the right hand side. The oil
filter, turbo etc. are on the left. Front diff doesn't *appear* to be
leaking but it's the prime suspect, mostly because it's on the right
side and needed a surprising amount of oil to top it up last time.

-- 
-Pip
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:25:40 +0100   author:   Pip Luscher

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
mike. buckley wrote:
> In message <pYSbC5xYDt3IJA+y@rcav8r.demon.co.uk>, Wicked Uncle Nigel
>  writes
>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Krusty
>> <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> typed
>>> mike. buckley wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In message , Wicked Uncle
>>>> Nigel  writes
>>>>> Hmm...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage
>>>>> for a play today.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping
>>>>> the plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full
>>>>> of engine oil.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Great. Wet sump.
>>>> 
>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below
>>>> the level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from
>>>> happening? 
>>> 
>>> Not in a dry sump engine.
>> 
>> What him said.
>> 
> 
> <ponders>
> 
> So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?

No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:41:49 GMT   author:   platypus

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
In article <NdQDk.63963$E41.63550@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
platypus  wrote:
>>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below
>>>>> the level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from
>>>>> happening? 
>>>> 
>>>> Not in a dry sump engine.
>>> 
>>> What him said.
>>> 
>> 
>> <ponders>
>> 
>> So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?
>
>No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.

Should he check for a soft cylinder or is that only applicable to
Japanese bikes?

-- 
CB500 (blue + flies)
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:32:39 +0100   author:   Jim

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Jim wrote:
> In article <NdQDk.63963$E41.63550@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> platypus  wrote:
>>>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below
>>>>>> the level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from
>>>>>> happening?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not in a dry sump engine.
>>>> 
>>>> What him said.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> <ponders>
>>> 
>>> So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?
>> 
>> No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.
> 
> Should he check for a soft cylinder or is that only applicable to
> Japanese bikes?

I don't want to think about Nigel checking for a soft cylinder.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:39:19 GMT   author:   platypus

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, platypus 
 typed
>Jim wrote:
>> In article <NdQDk.63963$E41.63550@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>> platypus  wrote:
>>>>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be below
>>>>>>> the level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this from
>>>>>>> happening?
>>>>>>  Not in a dry sump engine.
>>>>>  What him said.
>>>>>
>>>>  <ponders>
>>>>  So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?
>>>  No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.
>>  Should he check for a soft cylinder or is that only applicable to
>> Japanese bikes?
>
>I don't want to think about Nigel checking for a soft cylinder.

<waves feeler gauges, enticingly>

-- 
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:56:22 +0100   author:   Wicked Uncle Nigel

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, platypus
>  typed
>> Jim wrote:
>>> In article <NdQDk.63963$E41.63550@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>>> platypus  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be
>>>>>>>> below the level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this
>>>>>>>> from happening?
>>>>>>>  Not in a dry sump engine.
>>>>>>  What him said.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>  <ponders>
>>>>>  So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?
>>>>  No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.
>>>  Should he check for a soft cylinder or is that only applicable to
>>> Japanese bikes?
>> 
>> I don't want to think about Nigel checking for a soft cylinder.
> 
> <waves feeler gauges, enticingly>

<smears torso with grinding paste>
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:45:52 GMT   author:   platypus

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, platypus 
 typed
>Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, platypus
>>  typed
>>> Jim wrote:
>>>> In article <NdQDk.63963$E41.63550@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>>>> platypus  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be
>>>>>>>>> below the level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this
>>>>>>>>> from happening?
>>>>>>>>  Not in a dry sump engine.
>>>>>>>  What him said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  <ponders>
>>>>>>  So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?
>>>>>  No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.
>>>>  Should he check for a soft cylinder or is that only applicable to
>>>> Japanese bikes?
>>>  I don't want to think about Nigel checking for a soft cylinder.
>>  <waves feeler gauges, enticingly>
>
><smears torso with grinding paste>

<Adjusts vernier, tigerishly>

-- 
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:47:27 +0100   author:   Wicked Uncle Nigel

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
platypus wrote:

> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, platypus
> > typed
> > > Jim wrote:
> > > > In article <NdQDk.63963$E41.63550@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> >>>platypus  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil
> > > > > > > > > would be below the level of the cylinder and gravity
> > > > > > > > > would prevent this from happening?
> >>>>>>> Not in a dry sump engine.
> >>>>>> What him said.
> > > > > > > 
> >>>>> <ponders>
> >>>>> So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?
> >>>> No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.
> >>> Should he check for a soft cylinder or is that only applicable to
> > > > Japanese bikes?
> > > 
> > > I don't want to think about Nigel checking for a soft cylinder.
> > 
> > <waves feeler gauges, enticingly>
> 
> <smears torso with grinding paste>

<smears floor with partially digested curry>

-- 
Krusty
www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
Off-Road Classifieds

'02 MV Senna  '03 Tiger 955i  '96 Tiger  '79 Fantic Hiro 250
date: 29 Sep 2008 21:48:48 GMT   author:   Krusty lid

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:45:52 GMT, "platypus"
 squeezed out the following:

>Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, platypus
>>  typed
>>> Jim wrote:
>>>> In article <NdQDk.63963$E41.63550@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>>>> platypus  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be
>>>>>>>>> below the level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this
>>>>>>>>> from happening?
>>>>>>>>  Not in a dry sump engine.
>>>>>>>  What him said.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  <ponders>
>>>>>>  So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?
>>>>>  No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.
>>>>  Should he check for a soft cylinder or is that only applicable to
>>>> Japanese bikes?
>>> 
>>> I don't want to think about Nigel checking for a soft cylinder.
>> 
>> <waves feeler gauges, enticingly>
>
><smears torso with grinding paste>

That's a bit coarse for you.

-- 
Colin Irvine
ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:24:25 +0100   author:   Colin Irvine

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Colin Irvine 
 typed
>On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:45:52 GMT, "platypus"
> squeezed out the following:
>
>>Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, platypus
>>>  typed
>>>> Jim wrote:
>>>>> In article <NdQDk.63963$E41.63550@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>>>>> platypus  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Any idea how this happened?  I thought all the oil would be
>>>>>>>>>> below the level of the cylinder and gravity would prevent this
>>>>>>>>>> from happening?
>>>>>>>>>  Not in a dry sump engine.
>>>>>>>>  What him said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  <ponders>
>>>>>>>  So the oil tank is above the cylinder head?  Oil in frame?
>>>>>>  No, it's in the cylinder. Pay attention.
>>>>>  Should he check for a soft cylinder or is that only applicable to
>>>>> Japanese bikes?
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to think about Nigel checking for a soft cylinder.
>>>
>>> <waves feeler gauges, enticingly>
>>
>><smears torso with grinding paste>
>
>That's a bit coarse for you.

Hush! He'll learn that for himself. In good time.

It's the only way to teach them.

-- 
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:26:27 +0100   author:   Wicked Uncle Nigel

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
The message <gbm6i2$i8f$4@south.jnrs.ja.net>
from A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk contains these words:
> In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic Wicked Uncle Nigel
>  wrote:

> > When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping the 
> > plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full of engine 
> > oil.

> I think the former Messrs Norton Villiers Triumph would take a dim view of
> this.   After all, surely their products were carefully designed (by
> committee) so as to be incapable of holding oil.   All the British bikes I
> ever owned (present Hinckley Triumph excepted) were built in this way; any
> other way was unthinkable.  It's part of yer national 'eritage, surely, like
> a Fray Bentos steak & kidney pie <sobs into beer>

There's a certain amount of common sense though - I rarely had to change
the oil in The Torrey Canyon innit.

-- 
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig
date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:23:07 +0100   author:   Rusty Hinge 2

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
The message <x0vDk.63594$E41.10737@text.news.virginmedia.com>
from "platypus"  contains these words:
> Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> > Hmm...
> > 
> > Dragged the Notrun (an 850 Commando) out of the back of the garage
> > for a play today.
> > 
> > I's not been run since I rebuilt the gearbox a while back.
> > 
> > When I went to start it, the engine was clearly locked. Dropping the
> > plugs out reveals that the right hand pot is pretty much full of
> > engine oil.

> A British bike that holds oil?

Wonders never cease.

Back in the Good Old Days my plunger (Z)B31 was known locally as 'The
Torrey Canyon'...

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date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:23:24 +0100   author:   Rusty Hinge 2

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
The message 
from SpamTrapSeeSig  contains these words:
> In article , Nige 
>  writes
> >Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:

> >The Land Rover of motorcycles....

> Steady! My land rover holds oil really well, er, apart from...
> <wanders off again, muttering>

Ah, you too?

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date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:25:38 +0100   author:   Rusty Hinge 2

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
The message 
from SpamTrapSeeSig  contains these words:
> In article , Rich B 
>  writes

> >"If your Land Rover doesn't leak oil, that means it's empty."

> Aye :-(

> But she good as sailed through her MOT last week. Not bad for her 
> coming-of-age birthday.

Hmmm.

Mine's birthday was the year I left school - 1959.

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date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:27:03 +0100   author:   Rusty Hinge 2

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
The message <H73Ek.64192$E41.17566@text.news.virginmedia.com>
from "platypus"  contains these words:

> I don't want to think about Nigel checking for a soft cylinder.

Pass the cloff IYWBSK

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date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:29:02 +0100   author:   Rusty Hinge 2

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
In article , Rusty Hinge 
2  writes
>The message 
>from SpamTrapSeeSig  contains these words:
>> In article , Rich B
>>  writes
>
>> >"If your Land Rover doesn't leak oil, that means it's empty."
>
>> Aye :-(
>
>> But she good as sailed through her MOT last week. Not bad for her
>> coming-of-age birthday.
>
>Hmmm.
>
>Mine's birthday was the year I left school - 1959.

I'm guessing that yours is a 2A, AKA 'a mature and loved elderly member 
of the family'.

(My wife says) Marge is just 'old and rusty'.

There's no justice (and the box o/p shaft is whining nastily*).

Cheers,

S.

*TADT, Sir.

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date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:28:49 GMT   author:   SpamTrapSeeSig

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
On or around Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:28:49 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig
 enlightened us thusly:

>In article , Rusty Hinge 
>2  writes
>>The message 
>>from SpamTrapSeeSig  contains these words:
>>> In article , Rich B
>>>  writes
>>
>>> >"If your Land Rover doesn't leak oil, that means it's empty."
>>
>>> Aye :-(
>>
>>> But she good as sailed through her MOT last week. Not bad for her
>>> coming-of-age birthday.
>>
>>Hmmm.
>>
>>Mine's birthday was the year I left school - 1959.
>
>I'm guessing that yours is a 2A, AKA 'a mature and loved elderly member 
>of the family'.

'59 would be a series II, and an early one at that.  IIA was about 1968.

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date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:25:39 +0100   author:   Austin Shackles

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
In article , Austin Shackles 
 writes
>On or around Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:28:49 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>In article , Rusty Hinge
>>2  writes
>>>The message 
>>>from SpamTrapSeeSig  contains these words:
>>>> In article , Rich B
>>>>  writes
>>>
>>>> >"If your Land Rover doesn't leak oil, that means it's empty."
>>>
>>>> Aye :-(
>>>
>>>> But she good as sailed through her MOT last week. Not bad for her
>>>> coming-of-age birthday.
>>>
>>>Hmmm.
>>>
>>>Mine's birthday was the year I left school - 1959.
>>
>>I'm guessing that yours is a 2A, AKA 'a mature and loved elderly member
>>of the family'.
>
>'59 would be a series II, and an early one at that.  IIA was about 1968.

Fingers ahead of brain, per usual.


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date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:47:52 GMT   author:   SpamTrapSeeSig

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
The message 
from SpamTrapSeeSig  contains these words:

> >Mine's birthday was the year I left school - 1959.

> I'm guessing that yours is a 2A, AKA 'a mature and loved elderly member 
> of the family'.

2A SWB Hardtop

> (My wife says) Marge is just 'old and rusty'.

> There's no justice (and the box o/p shaft is whining nastily*).

Engine needs complete overhaul. Not quite so easy as the old i/e Rover -
it's a 3 litre V6 Essex engine...

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date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:34:16 +0100   author:   Rusty Hinge 2

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Rusty Hinge 2
 saying something like:

>Engine needs complete overhaul. Not quite so easy as the old i/e Rover -
>it's a 3 litre V6 Essex engine...

Getting on for a thousand pounds now to do a complete job on one of
those. Which is why I'm not bothering.
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date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:14:21 +0100   author:   Grimly Curmudgeon

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
On or around Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:14:21 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
 enlightened us thusly:

>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember Rusty Hinge 2
> saying something like:
>
>>Engine needs complete overhaul. Not quite so easy as the old i/e Rover -
>>it's a 3 litre V6 Essex engine...
>
>Getting on for a thousand pounds now to do a complete job on one of
>those. Which is why I'm not bothering.

bloddy hell.  I suppose the parts are all getting hard to find.
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date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:37:39 +0100   author:   Austin Shackles

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:37:39 +0100, Austin Shackles
 squeezed out the
following:

>On or around Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:14:21 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>drugs began to take hold. I remember Rusty Hinge 2
>> saying something like:
>>
>>>Engine needs complete overhaul. Not quite so easy as the old i/e Rover -
>>>it's a 3 litre V6 Essex engine...
>>
>>Getting on for a thousand pounds now to do a complete job on one of
>>those. Which is why I'm not bothering.
>
>bloddy hell.  I suppose the parts are all getting hard to find.

Six cylinders to rebore, six new pistons, six lots of bearings - it
all adds up. The rebuild itself is dead easy, though.

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date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:14:13 +0100   author:   Colin Irvine

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
The message <gc2hfd$rln$3@registered.motzarella.org>
from Grimly Curmudgeon  contains these words:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Rusty Hinge 2
>  saying something like:

> >Engine needs complete overhaul. Not quite so easy as the old i/e Rover -
> >it's a 3 litre V6 Essex engine...

> Getting on for a thousand pounds now to do a complete job on one of
> those. Which is why I'm not bothering.

Well, I shall get a lump (probably) from the R. Scimitar Club and drop
it in, and then get the bits done on the old engine a bit at a time.
Head has been done, but the block needs core plugs certainly, ends &
mains probably, bores & pistons - as much sideways motion as vertical,
I'd guess. (Blows oil-filler cap off rocker box without any wellie...)

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date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:27:59 +0100   author:   Rusty Hinge 2

Re: Norton cylinder full of oil   
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Colin Irvine
 saying something like:

>>>Getting on for a thousand pounds now to do a complete job on one of
>>>those. Which is why I'm not bothering.
>>
>>bloddy hell.  I suppose the parts are all getting hard to find.

Last I looked, pistons alone were 250 a set, plus, plus plus all the
rest. Burton still do a lot of parts for them, but at a price.

>Six cylinders to rebore, six new pistons, six lots of bearings - it
>all adds up. The rebuild itself is dead easy, though.

Oh yes, piece of piss to work on. I just wish it was lighter.
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"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House
date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:55:15 +0100   author:   Grimly Curmudgeon

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