Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In doing 
so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting circuit. The 
firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has said that he may 
report the house to the council under some building regs.

My house was build prior to 1985 so I believe that this bloke can go and 
fornicate with a hedgehog. I think he should reach into his pocket and 
pay for the damage done.

A "tame" builder who I trust will be visiting later to give an 
independent opinion.

Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?
-- 
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On 30 Sep, 15:34, Tim  wrote:

> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?

What was his horse like?

Tim  wrote in 
news:OmJRBBEYjj4IFwJy@nospam.osvif.demon.co.uk:

 
> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?

Was this done under one of the schemes run by an energy supplier?

If so, who did you have a contract with? The energy supplier or the sub-
contractor? If the former then contact your energy supplier as any 
liability is theirs.

-- 
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BMW R1150GS

In message 
, Cane 
 writes
>On 30 Sep, 15:34, Tim  wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?
>
>What was his horse like?

Err pardon?
-- 
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http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/

On 30 Sep, 15:54, Tim  wrote:

> >> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?
>
> >What was his horse like?
>
> Err pardon?

Never mind.

Tim wrote:

> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In
> doing so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting
> circuit. The firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has
> said that he may report the house to the council under some building
> regs.

One of my mates installs cavity wall insulation. Last week they were
doing a house in Berkhamstead and one particular section was taking an
age to fill. Carl stopped the machine and went inside to see if
something was up, only to find the bathroom absolutely full of
insulating material. The fuckwit house owner had removed an interior
brick to fit a soap dish in the wall alongside the bath about 5 years
previously, and all the insulating material was coming through the hole
into the room. It took them 2 hours to hoover it all up.

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On 2008-09-30 16:15:54 +0100, "Lozzo"  said:

> Tim wrote:
> 
>> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In
>> doing so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting
>> circuit. The firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has
>> said that he may report the house to the council under some building
>> regs.
> 
> One of my mates installs cavity wall insulation. Last week they were
> doing a house in Berkhamstead and one particular section was taking an
> age to fill. Carl stopped the machine and went inside to see if
> something was up, only to find the bathroom absolutely full of
> insulating material. The fuckwit house owner had removed an interior
> brick to fit a soap dish in the wall alongside the bath about 5 years
> previously, and all the insulating material was coming through the hole
> into the room. It took them 2 hours to hoover it all up.
> 
> http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2007015&id=1260332382&ref=nf

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On 30 Sep, 16:24, Nursey  wrote:

> >> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In
> >> doing so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting
> >> circuit. The firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has
> >> said that he may report the house to the council under some building
> >> regs.
>
> > One of my mates installs cavity wall insulation. Last week they were
> > doing a house in Berkhamstead and one particular section was taking an
> > age to fill. Carl stopped the machine and went inside to see if
> > something was up, only to find the bathroom absolutely full of
> > insulating material. The fuckwit house owner had removed an interior
> > brick to fit a soap dish in the wall alongside the bath about 5 years
> > previously, and all the insulating material was coming through the hole
> > into the room. It took them 2 hours to hoover it all up.
>
> >http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2007015&id=1260332382&ref=nf
>
> If you try and view the link, and are not a friend, you get an error page.

I'm not and I didn't.

In article ,
Cane   wrote:
>> >http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2007015&id=1260332382&ref=nf
>>
>> If you try and view the link, and are not a friend, you get an error page.
>
>I'm not and I didn't.

Might it be that you are in the London network?

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In message 
, 
Cane  writes
>On 30 Sep, 15:54, Tim  wrote:
>
>> >> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?
>>
>> >What was his horse like?
>>
>> Err pardon?
>
>Never mind.

Right-ho guv.
-- 
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http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/

Tim  wrote:

> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In doing
> so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting circuit. The 
> firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has said that he may
> report the house to the council under some building regs.

Firstly, I hope you havent paid them.
It is their fault, so they should put it right.
If however the cable was aVERY non-standard fitting, then they may have
a point about not being totally liable for the fualt, i.e., if the cable
was hidden and running at 45 degrees, then you cannot really take
precautions against such a thing, as all cables should run either
horizontally, or vertically, unless they are clearly visible.

How did they drill into a cable anyway?
Was it surface mounted?
Where was it sited?
Alan.


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On Sep 30, 7:54 am, Tim  wrote:

> >> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?
>
> >What was his horse like?
>
> Err pardon?

fuck him and the horse he rode in on?

--
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On 30 Sep, 16:35, Tim  wrote:

> >> >> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?
>
> >> >What was his horse like?
>
> >> Err pardon?
>
> >Never mind.
>
> Right-ho guv.

I assume by "some firm" you didn't choose these cowboys[1] personally?

[1] clue.

In message <1io3aiy.15i6z1oimhdzgN%alan@darkroom.+.com>, A.Lee 
<alan@darkroom.+.com> writes
>Tim  wrote:
>
>> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In doing
>> so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting circuit. The
>> firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has said that he may
>> report the house to the council under some building regs.
>
>Firstly, I hope you havent paid them.
>It is their fault, so they should put it right.
>If however the cable was aVERY non-standard fitting, then they may have
>a point about not being totally liable for the fualt, i.e., if the cable
>was hidden and running at 45 degrees, then you cannot really take
>precautions against such a thing, as all cables should run either
>horizontally, or vertically, unless they are clearly visible.
>
>How did they drill into a cable anyway?
>Was it surface mounted?
>Where was it sited?
>Alan.
>
>
It's in the wall adjacent to the front door. That part of the wall is 
load bearing and internally forms the junction with an internal wall. 
The wire runs internally (i.e. in the cavity) vertically and eventually 
links to the porch. As I wasn't there I am unaware of whether they used 
a wire/metal detector.

My local builder chap has been and is confident of a simple repair. He 
also thinks the manager at the other place is speaking bollocks. I asked 
the manager for a written report, so I look forward to nothing in the 
post as I think he is a bullshitter.
-- 
Tim
http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/

In article <Ri+Ww8IEzk4IFw7T@nospam.osvif.demon.co.uk>,
Tim   wrote:
>It's in the wall adjacent to the front door. That part of the wall is 
>load bearing and internally forms the junction with an internal wall. 
>The wire runs internally (i.e. in the cavity) vertically and eventually 
>links to the porch. As I wasn't there I am unaware of whether they used 
>a wire/metal detector.

It probably would not work to detect a wire in the cavity - you'd be
detecting stuff like wall ties for one thing.

>My local builder chap has been and is confident of a simple repair. He 
>also thinks the manager at the other place is speaking bollocks. I asked 
>the manager for a written report, so I look forward to nothing in the 
>post as I think he is a bullshitter.

uk.d-i-y says that if the wire is close to the surface then
you're meant to run vertically or horizontally, otherwise you have to
mechanically protect the wire (ie trunking). For wire in the cavity
there aren't any specific guidelines but it can cause issues with
supporting the wire and getting to it at a later point.

So basically that agrees with your local builder.

-- 
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Cane wrote:
> On 30 Sep, 15:54, Tim  wrote:
> 
>>>> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?
>>> What was his horse like?
>> Err pardon?
> 
> Never mind.

I thought it was funny.

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A.Lee wrote:
> Tim  wrote:
> 
>> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In doing
>> so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting circuit. The 
>> firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has said that he may
>> report the house to the council under some building regs.
> 
> Firstly, I hope you havent paid them.
> It is their fault, so they should put it right.
> If however the cable was aVERY non-standard fitting, then they may have
> a point about not being totally liable for the fualt, i.e., if the cable
> was hidden and running at 45 degrees, then you cannot really take
> precautions against such a thing, as all cables should run either
> horizontally, or vertically, unless they are clearly visible.
> 

Isn't that what professional indemnity insurance is for?




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In message 
, Cane 
 writes
>On 30 Sep, 16:35, Tim  wrote:
>
>> >> >> Meanwhile, what's the opinion of the FOAK?
>>
>> >> >What was his horse like?
>>
>> >> Err pardon?
>>
>> >Never mind.
>>
>> Right-ho guv.
>
>I assume by "some firm" you didn't choose these cowboys[1] personally?
>
I am not naming them until they have proven themselves (or not). Mrs C 
chose them, not that that makes any difference.
-- 
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http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/

Catman  wrote:

> A.Lee wrote:
> > Tim  wrote:
> > 
> >> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In doing
> >> so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting circuit. The
> >> firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has said that he may
> >> report the house to the council under some building regs.
> > 
> > Firstly, I hope you havent paid them.
> > It is their fault, so they should put it right.
> > If however the cable was aVERY non-standard fitting, then they may have
> > a point about not being totally liable for the fualt, i.e., if the cable
> > was hidden and running at 45 degrees, then you cannot really take
> > precautions against such a thing, as all cables should run either
> > horizontally, or vertically, unless they are clearly visible.
> > 
> 
> Isn't that what professional indemnity insurance is for?

Well, yes, but for such a trivial fault, no-one in their right mind
would claim on their Indemnity Insurance for it, they'd just either
repair the wire, or get a sparky in for an hour to repair it.
My Ins. has a £500 excess, and I'd assume most small traders to have
similar excesses, so a claim would never be paid out anyway.
Alan.

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In message , Jim  
writes
>In article <Ri+Ww8IEzk4IFw7T@nospam.osvif.demon.co.uk>,
>Tim   wrote:
>>It's in the wall adjacent to the front door. That part of the wall is
>>load bearing and internally forms the junction with an internal wall.
>>The wire runs internally (i.e. in the cavity) vertically and eventually
>>links to the porch. As I wasn't there I am unaware of whether they used
>>a wire/metal detector.
>
>It probably would not work to detect a wire in the cavity - you'd be
>detecting stuff like wall ties for one thing.

That would make sense.

>
>>My local builder chap has been and is confident of a simple repair. He
>>also thinks the manager at the other place is speaking bollocks. I asked
>>the manager for a written report, so I look forward to nothing in the
>>post as I think he is a bullshitter.
>
>uk.d-i-y says that if the wire is close to the surface then
>you're meant to run vertically or horizontally, otherwise you have to
>mechanically protect the wire (ie trunking). For wire in the cavity
>there aren't any specific guidelines but it can cause issues with
>supporting the wire and getting to it at a later point.
>
>So basically that agrees with your local builder.
>

OK, so that's 1 against the insulation company then.
-- 
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http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/

In message <BmsEk.288838$J72.156173@fe05.news.easynews.com>, Catman 
 writes
>A.Lee wrote:
>> Tim  wrote:
>>
>>> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In 
>>>doing
>>> so they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting circuit. The 
>>>firm refuses to take responsibility and the manager has said that he may
>>> report the house to the council under some building regs.
>>  Firstly, I hope you havent paid them.
>> It is their fault, so they should put it right.
>> If however the cable was aVERY non-standard fitting, then they may have
>> a point about not being totally liable for the fualt, i.e., if the cable
>> was hidden and running at 45 degrees, then you cannot really take
>> precautions against such a thing, as all cables should run either
>> horizontally, or vertically, unless they are clearly visible.
>>
>
>Isn't that what professional indemnity insurance is for?
>
Swot I thought too.
-- 
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http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/

"Tim"  wrote in message 
news:OmJRBBEYjj4IFwJy@nospam.osvif.demon.co.uk...
> Some firm came today and put insulation into the cavity wall. In doing so 
> they drilled into a mains cable supplying a lighting circuit. The firm 
> refuses to take responsibility and the manager has said that he may report 
> the house to the council under some building regs.

The question that needs to be asked is 'is it okay / permitted for 
electrical wires to be in wall cavities'

If the answer is yes, then the contractor should have checked that there 
were no wires in the way when he was drilling holes and is therefore liable.

If the answer is no, then he would expect there to be no wires in the cavity 
unless you told him otherwise and if you didn't he probably isn't liable.

Ash

In article <gbvksn$arp$1@aioe.org>, Ash  wrote:
>The question that needs to be asked is 'is it okay / permitted for 
>electrical wires to be in wall cavities'

The answer to that is, absolutely yes, it is not against the regulations
or illegal or even particularly unsafe. It might not be best practice
but sometimes it is done because the alternatives are worse.

>If the answer is yes, then the contractor should have checked that there 
>were no wires in the way when he was drilling holes and is therefore liable.

The trouble is that the cavity wall insulation companies can get away
with employing people who aren't really trained for anything other than
drilling holes and injecting insulation. So you really wouldn't want
them to be mucking around with your electrics. No wonder they are trying
to disclaim responsibility.

-- 
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Jim  saying something
like:

>>The question that needs to be asked is 'is it okay / permitted for 
>>electrical wires to be in wall cavities'
>
>The answer to that is, absolutely yes, it is not against the regulations
>or illegal or even particularly unsafe. It might not be best practice
>but sometimes it is done because the alternatives are worse.

It raises a very serious point.

The cable is more than likely PVC - what is the cavity wall filling?
If it's expanded polystyrene beads, not a good idea at all for it to be
in contact with PVC cable, as it leaches out the plasticiser.
Crispy cables, not good, especially in a flammable environment.
-- 
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GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

In article <gc106a$b2e$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Grimly Curmudgeon   wrote:
>>The answer to that is, absolutely yes, it is not against the regulations
>>or illegal or even particularly unsafe. It might not be best practice
>>but sometimes it is done because the alternatives are worse.
>
>It raises a very serious point.
>
>The cable is more than likely PVC - what is the cavity wall filling?
>If it's expanded polystyrene beads, not a good idea at all for it to be
>in contact with PVC cable, as it leaches out the plasticiser.
>Crispy cables, not good, especially in a flammable environment.

Indeed, in which case it should be a job of the installers to check
whether there are any cables present and sort out the problem before
proceeding.

-- 
CB500 (blue + flies)

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Jim  saying something
like:

>>The cable is more than likely PVC - what is the cavity wall filling?
>>If it's expanded polystyrene beads, not a good idea at all for it to be
>>in contact with PVC cable, as it leaches out the plasticiser.
>>Crispy cables, not good, especially in a flammable environment.
>
>Indeed, in which case it should be a job of the installers to check
>whether there are any cables present and sort out the problem before
>proceeding.

Rather, the householder's responsibility to pay a spark to re-route
cables as necessary. Let's face it, all the installation installer
wants, and is paid, to do is turn up and fill the walls.
He was caught on the hop with this one, but imo, it's not his fault -
the walls should have been clear of cables and if not, they should have
been protected.
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

Grimly Curmudgeon  wrote the following 
literary masterpiece:
>He was caught on the hop with this one, but imo, it's not his fault -
>the walls should have been clear of cables and if not, they should have
>been protected.

As someone who isn't a spark, how the hell am I supposed to know any of 
this if the 'professional' I employ to do the job doesn't tell me?

And even if we were all electrical experts who knew we had to check 
every wire in the walls for safety before having insulation fitted, it 
would still be the insulation installers duty to check those precautions 
had been done before commencing work.

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http://www.iq18films.co.uk

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
that Jesus was not born of a virgin." Cardinal Bellarmine

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Veggie Dave <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1>
saying something like:

>As someone who isn't a spark, how the hell am I supposed to know any of 
>this if the 'professional' I employ to do the job doesn't tell me?
>
>And even if we were all electrical experts who knew we had to check 
>every wire in the walls for safety before having insulation fitted, it 
>would still be the insulation installers duty to check those precautions 
>had been done before commencing work.

It's your property, it's up to you to know. To a certain extent the
insulation intaller can be reasonably expected to spot a fairly obvious
problem and draw your attention to it, but it's not his job to fix it.

That's yours.

Apart from that, no installation installer has x-ray vision and if he
damaged a cable that's invisible it's in no way his fault.

It's your house, your responsibility. Suck it up and get it fixed.
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

Grimly Curmudgeon  wrote the following 
literary masterpiece:
>Apart from that, no installation installer has x-ray vision and if he
>damaged a cable that's invisible it's in no way his fault.

If there's something that needs to be checked for safety reasons then I 
expect to be told by the 'expert' that I need to do it before they start 
to work.

It's absolutely normal practise in my work. In fact, I can't think of a 
situation where it wouldn't be.

-- 
Veggie Dave
http://www.iq18films.co.uk

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
that Jesus was not born of a virgin." Cardinal Bellarmine

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Veggie Dave <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1>
saying something like:

>Grimly Curmudgeon  wrote the following 
>literary masterpiece:
>>Apart from that, no installation installer has x-ray vision and if he
>>damaged a cable that's invisible it's in no way his fault.
>
>If there's something that needs to be checked for safety reasons then I 
>expect to be told by the 'expert' that I need to do it before they start 
>to work.
>
>It's absolutely normal practise in my work. In fact, I can't think of a 
>situation where it wouldn't be.

What was the item being fed by the cable, out of interest? Was it
internal?

Cable in a cavity is utterly bad practice, although not illegal or
against regs, and the insulation installer had no reason to suspect one
to be there from what I read.

And where do you hire the x-ray specs you use in your line of work, for
I'm sure the insulation installer would like a set. I would too, come to
that.
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

Grimly Curmudgeon  wrote the following 
literary masterpiece:
>And where do you hire the x-ray specs you use in your line of work, for
>I'm sure the insulation installer would like a set. I would too, come to
>that.

I suggest you actually read what I wrote. If you can find a single 
comment about having x-ray specs I'll suck a pig's cock in Trafalgar 
Square.

-- 
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http://www.iq18films.co.uk

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
that Jesus was not born of a virgin." Cardinal Bellarmine

In message <gc2orf$8br$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Grimly Curmudgeon 
 writes
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember Veggie Dave <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1>
>saying something like:
>
>>Grimly Curmudgeon  wrote the following
>>literary masterpiece:
>>>Apart from that, no installation installer has x-ray vision and if he
>>>damaged a cable that's invisible it's in no way his fault.
>>
>>If there's something that needs to be checked for safety reasons then I
>>expect to be told by the 'expert' that I need to do it before they start
>>to work.
>>
>>It's absolutely normal practise in my work. In fact, I can't think of a
>>situation where it wouldn't be.
>
>What was the item being fed by the cable, out of interest? Was it
>internal?

Porch lights.

>
>Cable in a cavity is utterly bad practice, although not illegal or
>against regs, and the insulation installer had no reason to suspect one
>to be there from what I read.
>

So perhaps the installation installer may have paused for thought and 
bothered to think about how you feed power to the porch.

Reg? Hmm house is 40 years old so I suspect that any rules were 
different then.

Someone mentioned the wall filler reacting to the cable. Well then the 
professional insulator chappie would therefore not fill the wall. But he 
did, so obviously he doesn't think it's an issue (or he wants to burn 
down my house).

-- 
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http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/

In message , Veggie Dave 
<Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1> writes
>Grimly Curmudgeon  wrote the following 
>literary masterpiece:
>>And where do you hire the x-ray specs you use in your line of work, for
>>I'm sure the insulation installer would like a set. I would too, come to
>>that.
>
>I suggest you actually read what I wrote. If you can find a single 
>comment about having x-ray specs I'll suck a pig's cock in Trafalgar 
>Square.
>
That's some promise for a vegetarian too.
-- 
Tim
http://www.pitfieldbeershop.co.uk/

In article ,
Tim   wrote:
>Porch lights.
[snip]
>So perhaps the installation installer may have paused for thought and 
>bothered to think about how you feed power to the porch.
>
>Reg? Hmm house is 40 years old so I suspect that any rules were 
>different then.

It's exactly because it's 40 years old that it's had time to accumulate
dodges like feeding the cable through the cavity rather than making a
mess of the plaster trying to run it down inside.

-- 
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Tim 
saying something like:

>Someone mentioned the wall filler reacting to the cable. Well then the 
>professional insulator chappie would therefore not fill the wall. But he 
>did, so obviously he doesn't think it's an issue (or he wants to burn 
>down my house).

1. If it is, in fact, expanded polystyrene beads.

2. If he even knows about the problem - surprising how many don't.

3. If he even gives a shit.

4. If he knew about the cable. 
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Veggie Dave <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1>
saying something like:

>Grimly Curmudgeon  wrote the following 
>literary masterpiece:
>>And where do you hire the x-ray specs you use in your line of work, for
>>I'm sure the insulation installer would like a set. I would too, come to
>>that.
>
>I suggest you actually read what I wrote. If you can find a single 
>comment about having x-ray specs I'll suck a pig's cock in Trafalgar 
>Square.

You drew the parallel.
-- 
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

"It's a moron working with power tools.
 How much more suspenseful can you get?"
 - House

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Veggie Dave
> <Veggie~Dave@127.0.0.1> saying something like:
> 
>> Grimly Curmudgeon  wrote the following
>> literary masterpiece:
>>> And where do you hire the x-ray specs you use in your line of work,
>>> for I'm sure the insulation installer would like a set. I would
>>> too, come to that.
>> 
>> I suggest you actually read what I wrote. If you can find a single
>> comment about having x-ray specs I'll suck a pig's cock in Trafalgar
>> Square.
> 
> You drew the parallel.

Fuck's sake, leave it.  Think of the pig.