On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:55:22 +0100, "Alex Ferrier" <x@x.x> wrote:

>T i m wrote:
>> 
>
><snip>
>
>> I don't, I would happily have it limited to 80 mph (to allow
>> overtaking on the motorway). 
>
><snip>
>
>> 
>> How many times have I done 'the ton'?
>> 
>> How many times have I been out on rides 'wiv me mates'.
>> 
>> How many points have I got on my licence?
>> 
>> How many times have I been tugged by the police (on a bike)?
>> 
>
>I'm beginning to think that actually, you are a bit of a tit.

Sadly, I drew much the same conclusion after this post.
-- 
Champ

Two standard issue crutches
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:11:05 +0100, Champ  wrote:

>On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:55:22 +0100, "Alex Ferrier" <x@x.x> wrote:
>
>>T i m wrote:
>>> 
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> I don't, I would happily have it limited to 80 mph (to allow
>>> overtaking on the motorway). 
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> 
>>> How many times have I done 'the ton'?
>>> 
>>> How many times have I been out on rides 'wiv me mates'.
>>> 
>>> How many points have I got on my licence?
>>> 
>>> How many times have I been tugged by the police (on a bike)?
>>> 
>>
>>I'm beginning to think that actually, you are a bit of a tit.

.... is the totally predicted reaction.
>
>Sadly, I drew much the same conclusion after this post.

Luckily, we are all different ...

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:09:46 +0100, T i m  wrote:

>Luckily, we are all different ...

I'm not!

<scarpers before Eddie arrives>
-- 
Champ

Two standard issue crutches
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:11:05 +0100, Champ  wrote:
 
>On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:55:22 +0100, "Alex Ferrier" <x@x.x> wrote:
>
>>T i m wrote:
>>> 
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> I don't, I would happily have it limited to 80 mph (to allow
>>> overtaking on the motorway). 
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> 
>>> How many times have I done 'the ton'?
>>> 
>>> How many times have I been out on rides 'wiv me mates'.
>>> 
>>> How many points have I got on my licence?
>>> 
>>> How many times have I been tugged by the police (on a bike)?
>>> 
>>
>>I'm beginning to think that actually, you are a bit of a tit.
>
>Sadly, I drew much the same conclusion after this post.

I had been wondering what sort of person had to consult the group
before every single nut and bolt removal and replacement, but I never
imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...

<shudder>

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Ace wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:11:05 +0100, Champ  wrote:
>  
> >On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:55:22 +0100, "Alex Ferrier" <x@x.x> wrote:
> > 
> > > T i m wrote:
> >>> 
> > > 
> > > <snip>
> > > 
> >>> I don't, I would happily have it limited to 80 mph (to allow
> >>> overtaking on the motorway). 
> > > 
> > > <snip>
> > > 
> > > I'm beginning to think that actually, you are a bit of a tit.
> > 
> > Sadly, I drew much the same conclusion after this post.
> 
> I had been wondering what sort of person had to consult the group
> before every single nut and bolt removal and replacement, but I never
> imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...

IIRC, you didn't enjoy your last ride very much.

-- 
Krusty
www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
Off-Road Classifieds

'02 MV Senna  '03 Tiger 955i  '96 Tiger  '79 Fantic Hiro 250

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:47:58 +0200, Ace  wrote:

>I had been wondering what sort of person had to consult the group
>before every single nut and bolt removal and replacement,

Someone who has never owned a Kawasaki, a 4 cly, Unitrack, anti-dive,
air assisted forks or hydraulic rear brake and who doesn't have a
workshop manual of any sort maybe?

Someone who respects the help and experience of those willing to give
it (so not the cunts).

> but I never
>imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...

I bet there's a load of things you couldn't imagine 'Ace'. ;-)

And who said I didn't enjoy riding a bike?

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:39:12 +0100, Champ  wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:09:46 +0100, T i m  wrote:
>
>>Luckily, we are all different ...
>
>I'm not!

Oh yes, *you* are special .... ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On 2 Sep 2008 18:51:16 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
 
>Ace wrote:

>> I had been wondering what sort of person had to consult the group
>> before every single nut and bolt removal and replacement, but I never
>> imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...
>
>IIRC, you didn't enjoy your last ride very much.

Not so, I enjoyed it tremendously. The ride, that is. The flying and
landing I could have done without, however.

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:16:16 +0100, T i m  wrote:
 
>On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:47:58 +0200, Ace  wrote:
>
>>I had been wondering what sort of person had to consult the group
>>before every single nut and bolt removal and replacement,
>
>Someone who has never owned a Kawasaki, a 4 cly, Unitrack, anti-dive,
>air assisted forks or hydraulic rear brake and who doesn't have a
>workshop manual of any sort maybe?
>
>Someone who respects the help and experience of those willing to give
>it (so not the cunts).

ITYF that I was amongst those cunts offering you help. 

>> but I never
>>imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...
>
>I bet there's a load of things you couldn't imagine 'Ace'. ;-)

Do you?

>And who said I didn't enjoy riding a bike?

You did. You said you didn't ride a bike for fun, which amounts to the
same thing. 

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:35:44 +0200, Ace  wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:16:16 +0100, T i m  wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:47:58 +0200, Ace  wrote:
>>
>>>I had been wondering what sort of person had to consult the group
>>>before every single nut and bolt removal and replacement,
>>
>>Someone who has never owned a Kawasaki, a 4 cly, Unitrack, anti-dive,
>>air assisted forks or hydraulic rear brake and who doesn't have a
>>workshop manual of any sort maybe?
>>
>>Someone who respects the help and experience of those willing to give
>>it (so not the cunts).
>
>ITYF that I was amongst those cunts offering you help. 

Did I say you were one of them?
>
>>> but I never
>>>imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...
>>
>>I bet there's a load of things you couldn't imagine 'Ace'. ;-)
>
>Do you?

One of them you stated above.
>
>>And who said I didn't enjoy riding a bike?
>
>You did. You said you didn't ride a bike for fun, which amounts to the
>same thing. 

Oh, I can see where some are getting confused now.

"Enjoying riding my bike"  IS NOT exactly the same as "riding my bike
for fun" (IMHO).

That means (for the hard of understanding <g>) that if I go out on my
bike it's normally for a reason. The reason could be to collect some
goods from an area where alternative means of transport aren't as
practical, going somewhere on a bike for_a_change (from the car
typically) or if when I get there a bike would be more convenient
(like finding secure parking). The 'enjoyment' in such instances are
gained from: getting there, safely, easily, reliably, comfortably. If,
for example I suffer a puncture on that trip or am cut-up more than I
might had I been in a car, or got wet / cold  then I lose the
'enjoyment'.

If we go on holiday we normally go motorcycle / camping and I 'enjoy'
getting us all to the camp site safe_and_sound. Even when riding a
fully loaded bike and towing a trailer, because the 'enjoyment' is the
end rather than the means (ie I enjoy getting there safely on my
bike). It would be far more comfortable to go by car in every instance
but also far less of a challenge or so 'involving'.

Now, whilst I like and always have liked 'making good progress' [1]
I'm happy to do it on / in something that is practical and suitable
(for me and my needs). During no time in my life has anything
'sports' offered that solution (be it bike, car, gear or interests).

On the other hand, I suspect many buy bikes purely to go blasting
round the countryside or track and who would get no enjoyment
whatsoever riding two up let alone towing a trailer?

HTH.

All the best ..

T i m

[1] Years ago my Mum and Dad went to a Vauxhall day at Knebworth House
and Mum got a go in a works DTV Chevette driven by Penti Arrikala (top
rally driver at the time). After a blast through the grounds Penti
arrived back and the start point and Mum took her helmet off and
thanked him for a fun trip. He asked her if she had done such a thing
before as she seemed very calm etc?

"No" she said "but my son drives like that all the time" ...

I didn't of course but that's what good progress felt like to her. ;-)

Ace wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:16:16 +0100, T i m  wrote:
>  
> >On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:47:58 +0200, Ace  wrote:
> 
> >> but I never
> > > imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...
> 
> > And who said I didn't enjoy riding a bike?
> 
> You did. You said you didn't ride a bike for fun, which amounts to the
> same thing. 

Eh? It doesn't you know. Most of my bike rides are for the purposes of
getting somewhere, not for having fun. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy
them.

-- 
Krusty
www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
Off-Road Classifieds

'02 MV Senna  '03 Tiger 955i  '96 Tiger  '79 Fantic Hiro 250

On 2 Sep 2008 20:26:00 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

>Ace wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:16:16 +0100, T i m  wrote:
>>  
>> >On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:47:58 +0200, Ace  wrote:
>> 
>> >> but I never
>> > > imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...
>> 
>> > And who said I didn't enjoy riding a bike?
>> 
>> You did. You said you didn't ride a bike for fun, which amounts to the
>> same thing. 
>
>Eh? It doesn't you know. Most of my bike rides are for the purposes of
>getting somewhere, not for having fun. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy
>them.

<pulls Krusty away>

Leave em, they won't understand ... ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

Ace  wrote:
> 
> >> but I never
> >>imagined someone who doesn't enjoy riding a bike...
> >
> >I bet there's a load of things you couldn't imagine 'Ace'. ;-)
> 
> Do you?
> 
> >And who said I didn't enjoy riding a bike?
> 
> You did. You said you didn't ride a bike for fun, which amounts to the
> same thing. 
> 

Wotafikcunt
Many of us regard bikes as a means of transport rather than boys toys.
The enjoyment is a side effect, not the reason for riding.

Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:09:46 +0100, T i m  wrote:
> 
>> Luckily, we are all different ...
> 
> I'm not!
> 
> <scarpers before Eddie arrives>

Getting better with the crutches, then?

I found I could maintain a pretty good speed, once I got used to them; 
much faster than normal walking pace.

-- 
Eddie                                                eddie@deguello.org

His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900                   http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!)

On 02 Sep 2008 21:27:42 GMT, crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:

snip>

>Many of us regard bikes as a means of transport rather than boys toys.
>The enjoyment is a side effect, not the reason for riding.

Then it's you that's missing out.

I don't pay for my 'means of transport' so when I buy something to
take me from A to B I can make it something that I enjoy rather than
something functional.

 I'm lucky in that I ride bikes for pleasure rather than because I
have to and I've got different bikes for different types of trip. I
did all that commuting on a bike because I don't have a car for a lot
of years and I don't miss it because I've now got a choice.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:39:28 +0100, Eddie  wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:09:46 +0100, T i m  wrote:
>> 
>>> Luckily, we are all different ...
>> 
>> I'm not!
>> 
>> <scarpers before Eddie arrives>
>
>Getting better with the crutches, then?

heh - yeah, not bad.

>I found I could maintain a pretty good speed, once I got used to them; 
>much faster than normal walking pace.

Oh, I'm nowhere near that fast, but that's because my 'good' leg ain't
that good - the knee on the weight-bearing side is pretty swollen and
painful.  I'm told that this is normal to some degree when one leg has
to take all the weight - did you not suffer from it at all?
-- 
Champ

Two standard issue crutches
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:39:28 +0100, Eddie  wrote:
> 
>> Getting better with the crutches, then?
> 
> heh - yeah, not bad.
> 
>> I found I could maintain a pretty good speed, once I got used to them; 
>> much faster than normal walking pace.
> 
> Oh, I'm nowhere near that fast, but that's because my 'good' leg ain't
> that good - the knee on the weight-bearing side is pretty swollen and
> painful.  I'm told that this is normal to some degree when one leg has
> to take all the weight - did you not suffer from it at all?

Not that I remember, but at the time I was a skint dole bludger, so 
probably wasn't being as mobile as you are. I can't remember how long I 
was on crutches, so maybe it wasn't for long enough to become an issue. 
Also, I've got very strong legs compared to my upper body, so that might 
have helped too.

-- 
Eddie                                                eddie@deguello.org

His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900                   http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!)

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:17:32 +0100, totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The
Older Gentleman) wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> Many of us regard bikes as a means of transport rather than boys toys.
>> The enjoyment is a side effect, not the reason for riding.
>
>Um....
>
>Car: does high 40s mpg, costs £250 a year to insure, tyres last for
>ever, carries lots of stuff as well as humans, protects me from getting
>wet or cold, has on-board music etc, goes 500+ miles on a tankful.
>
>BMW bike, does similar to the gallon, costs the same to insure, tyres
>shagged in 6k miles, can't carry as many humans or stuff, lets me get
>cold and wet, no entertainment, does 200+ miles on a tank....
>
>As a logical means of transport, except in town, the car wins out every
>time.

Not sure logic applies with some people though TOG. ;-)

For some their bike *is* (delete as applicable) their social life, a
penis extension, a source of excitement, a hobby and all the negatives
you outlined above are simply for them, badges to be worn proudly.

"I rode f'in 10,000 miles at f'in 150 mph, at night, in a f'in
monsoon, got soaked through to the f'in skin and was
out_of_my_f'in_brains. What a great f'in ride!" [1] ... sorta thing.
;-)

As mentioned elsewhere their bike(s) is bought (and sold) on a whim
(like a toy, as the next fastest thing comes out) and the only
spannering they might do to it is to remove the  highly tuned /
matched factory exhaust of it and fit the loudest aftermarket can
there is, that and some coloured brailed brakes hoses and matching
fairing screw and anodized foot pegs kit etc etc.

That's not to say their way is wrong (it isn't) but just not what
motivates many of us.

Personally, whilst I have great respect for those who can and do
actually ride their bikes safely over vast distances (be it on a tour
or regular commuting) and those who wring every last second out of
their machines round a track or over 120 ft jumps whilst holding the
saddle with one hand etc, *I personally*  have more respect for those
who find a wreck of a bike in a barn or ditch and lovingly restore it
to it's former glory (on a budget), because I understand that more.
maybe part of that is that I've never had a lot of money (never bought
a new bike or car etc) so much of my interest was born from a need to
get (and maintain) reliable 'transport' and initially a motorbike was
the easiest way to do that. [2]

I also 'enjoy' looking at some of the custom works_of_art, purely from
the design / effort POV (ie, no use as an everyday motorbike as such).

Sad though it may be to some but I am currently 'looking forward' to
turning up stainless steel replacements for these rusted plain steel
Unitrack bush / sleeves, partly because I like to improve stuff where
I can but also because even to buy the stainless and including the
parts discount I get, they work out cheaper than buying OEM ones, but
mostly because I'd like to think I never have to touch (or de-rust at
least) that area again! ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

p.s. Another biker who missed the point on why I'm currently doing
what I am on this 550 has 1) offered to loan me his 750 Nighthawk
(which was kind) and 2) said "if the bearings have lasted 22 years
already ... " without knowing how many sets the bike may have already
had in it's life and how long it may have been ridden with the
bearings seizing or actually seized up?

[1] No I didn't copy / pase that from anyone here <weg>.

[2] I actually rebuilt my first car (at 15) before my first motorbike.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:53:12 +0100, Eddie  wrote:

>>> Getting better with the crutches, then?
>> 
>> heh - yeah, not bad.
>> 
>>> I found I could maintain a pretty good speed, once I got used to them; 
>>> much faster than normal walking pace.
>> 
>> Oh, I'm nowhere near that fast, but that's because my 'good' leg ain't
>> that good - the knee on the weight-bearing side is pretty swollen and
>> painful.  I'm told that this is normal to some degree when one leg has
>> to take all the weight - did you not suffer from it at all?
>
>Not that I remember, but at the time I was a skint dole bludger, so 
>probably wasn't being as mobile as you are. I can't remember how long I 
>was on crutches, so maybe it wasn't for long enough to become an issue. 

Well, my left knee started hurting within two days of being on
crutches!

My physio has written to the consultant saying my knee needs to be
looked at again.  I'm a bit cheesed off with this, because I know knee
issues can be complicated and take ages.

>Also, I've got very strong legs compared to my upper body, so that might 
>have helped too.

I *did* have very strong legs before the accident.  Two weeks in a
hospital bed followed by 8 weeks in a wheelchair didn't help that,
tho.

-- 
Champ
What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger
ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken)
neal at champ dot org dot uk

Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:53:12 +0100, Eddie  wrote:
> 
>> Not that I remember, but at the time I was a skint dole bludger, so 
>> probably wasn't being as mobile as you are. I can't remember how long I 
>> was on crutches, so maybe it wasn't for long enough to become an issue. 
> 
> Well, my left knee started hurting within two days of being on
> crutches!

That's probably not good.

Oh, there's something else that might be a factor: I was 23-ish at the 
time (actually, I had to be sober on my 23rd birthday because of the 
painkillers and what-not), whereas you're a /little/ bit older...

> My physio has written to the consultant saying my knee needs to be
> looked at again.  I'm a bit cheesed off with this, because I know knee
> issues can be complicated and take ages.

At least they're going to look at it.

>> Also, I've got very strong legs compared to my upper body, so that might 
>> have helped too.
> 
> I *did* have very strong legs before the accident.  Two weeks in a
> hospital bed followed by 8 weeks in a wheelchair didn't help that,
> tho.

True... I was allowed on crutches the next day.

The physio said that I could have crutches as soon as my knee (having 
been battered about while they put the intramedullary nail in) could 
cope with lifting my leg off the bed. "Like this?" was my immediate 
response. I suspect my urge to use a proper toilet may have been a 
strong motivating factor; I got the physio to carry the drain bottle 
that was connected to my knee and put it on the toilet floor. Rarely 
have I known such relief.

-- 
Eddie                                                eddie@deguello.org

His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900                   http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!)

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:32:10 +0100, Champ  wrote:
 
>On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:53:12 +0100, Eddie  wrote:
>
>>>> Getting better with the crutches, then?
>>> 
>>> heh - yeah, not bad.
>>> 
>>>> I found I could maintain a pretty good speed, once I got used to them; 
>>>> much faster than normal walking pace.
>>> 
>>> Oh, I'm nowhere near that fast, but that's because my 'good' leg ain't
>>> that good - the knee on the weight-bearing side is pretty swollen and
>>> painful.  I'm told that this is normal to some degree when one leg has
>>> to take all the weight - did you not suffer from it at all?
>>
>>Not that I remember, but at the time I was a skint dole bludger, so 
>>probably wasn't being as mobile as you are. I can't remember how long I 
>>was on crutches, so maybe it wasn't for long enough to become an issue. 
>
>Well, my left knee started hurting within two days of being on
>crutches!
>
>My physio has written to the consultant saying my knee needs to be
>looked at again.  I'm a bit cheesed off with this, because I know knee
>issues can be complicated and take ages.
>
>>Also, I've got very strong legs compared to my upper body, so that might 
>>have helped too.
>
>I *did* have very strong legs before the accident.  Two weeks in a
>hospital bed followed by 8 weeks in a wheelchair didn't help that,
>tho.

My legs managed to retain their strength when I was down, I guess due
to being able#Wmade to walk, at least a little bit with the physio
assisting, from about ten days after the accident. The relatively
small amount of skiing I did that season (just a 2-3 weeks' worth)
also helped maintain the muscle. 

But the lost core and upper-body strength has taken two years of hard
work, and I'm still not sure it's back to what it was beforehand.

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On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:57:05 +0200, Ace  wrote:

>>>Also, I've got very strong legs compared to my upper body, so that might 
>>>have helped too.
>>
>>I *did* have very strong legs before the accident.  Two weeks in a
>>hospital bed followed by 8 weeks in a wheelchair didn't help that,
>>tho.
>
>My legs managed to retain their strength when I was down, I guess due
>to being able#Wmade to walk, at least a little bit with the physio
>assisting, from about ten days after the accident. The relatively
>small amount of skiing I did that season (just a 2-3 weeks' worth)
>also helped maintain the muscle. 
>
>But the lost core and upper-body strength has taken two years of hard
>work, and I'm still not sure it's back to what it was beforehand.

Interesting - I feel like my upper body has got stronger, initially
using the chair (which is hard work), and now using the crutches
(which is harder).
-- 
Champ
What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger
ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken)
neal at champ dot org dot uk

Champ wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:48:02 +0100, Eddie  wrote:
> 
> > Oh, there's something else that might be a factor: I was 23-ish at
> > the time (actually, I had to be sober on my 23rd birthday because
> > of the painkillers and what-not), whereas you're a little bit
> > older...
> 
> No shit.  I bumped into the doctor who rode in the ambulance with me
> last week - he advised me that the ideal age for my sort of injury was
> 21.

Is there an ideal age for smashing yourself up now?

-- 
Lozzo
SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka
and a shit load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage
I believe in free speech, but I still have to pay my phone bill

On 03 Sep 2008 09:37:46 GMT, crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:

<snip>

>Getting back to the point, when buying a bike some of us go for a 
>practical answer and others go for fancy toys. Its all a matter of 
>objectives. For my purposes since retirement the GS is overpowered for
>the task but has far better brakes etc than the damned 125 that tried
>to kill me instead of stopping.

Indeed, horses for course etc and I'm surprised that within a group
(motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
(here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?

Al the best ..

T i m

In article , T i m says...
> On 03 Sep 2008 09:37:46 GMT, crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> >Getting back to the point, when buying a bike some of us go for a 
> >practical answer and others go for fancy toys. Its all a matter of 
> >objectives. For my purposes since retirement the GS is overpowered for
> >the task but has far better brakes etc than the damned 125 that tried
> >to kill me instead of stopping.
> 
> Indeed, horses for course etc and I'm surprised that within a group
> (motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
> (here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?

So if someone thinks you're a tit they should keep quiet about it, just 
coz you and they ride a bike?
-- 
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport

Champ wrote:
> 
> Interesting - I feel like my upper body has got stronger, initially
> using the chair (which is hard work), and now using the crutches
> (which is harder).

Mine certainly did, at least in places: the muscle on the inside of my 
forearm would pop out like a tennis ball if I bent my fist inward.

-- 
Eddie                                                eddie@deguello.org

His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900                   http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!)

Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:48:02 +0100, Eddie  wrote:
> 
>> Oh, there's something else that might be a factor: I was 23-ish at the 
>> time (actually, I had to be sober on my 23rd birthday because of the 
>> painkillers and what-not), whereas you're a /little/ bit older...
> 
> No shit.  I bumped into the doctor who rode in the ambulance with me
> last week - he advised me that the ideal age for my sort of injury was
> 21.

Yeah, it's shit. I remember being told I was getting on a bit when I did 
mine. :-(

-- 
Eddie                                                eddie@deguello.org

His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900                   http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!)

T i m wrote:
> 
> Indeed, horses for course etc and I'm surprised that within a group
> (motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
> (here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?

"seem" is a key word here. Wind you neck in and stop overreacting.

Oh, and that's not how you spell camaraderie, assuming that's what you 
were trying to spell.

-- 
Eddie                                                eddie@deguello.org

His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900                   http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!)

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:48:22 +0100, T i m  wrote:

>I'm surprised that within a group
>(motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
>(here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?

This 'bikers are all mates' canard is utter nonsense and always has
been.

I've got some great mates who ride bikes.  I've also met some prize
cunts who ride bikes too.
-- 
Champ
What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger
ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken)
neal at champ dot org dot uk

T i m wrote:

> On 03 Sep 2008 09:37:46 GMT, crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Getting back to the point, when buying a bike some of us go for a 
> > practical answer and others go for fancy toys. Its all a matter of 
> > objectives. For my purposes since retirement the GS is overpowered
> > for the task but has far better brakes etc than the damned 125 that
> > tried to kill me instead of stopping.
> 
> Indeed, horses for course etc and I'm surprised that within a group
> (motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
> (here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?

OK a couple of things. Firstly, many of us aren't into the whole bikers
camaraderie thing. A cunt's a cunt no matter what their hobbies are.

Secondly, if you're looking for acceptance from a group of peers based
on how you get from A to B, you're in the wrong place. If someone
thinks you're talking shit, they'll more than likely say so. When that
happens, never apologise, just admit you're a fuckwit, or start getting
shouty & sweary - either will do. Just don't make out you should be
given a break because you're a 'biking comrade'.

And just in case you think I'm being a sheep & picking on you, I've
already stated I agree with you on the 'riding for fun/enjoying the
ride' thing, but you're totally wrong about the Alex/Andy snipping
thing.

Oh, & thirdly, if you could lose this...

> Al the best ..

...it'd be good. It's really wanky, especially when you haven't got a
sig sep.


-- 
Krusty
www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
Off-Road Classifieds

'02 MV Senna  '03 Tiger 955i  '96 Tiger  '79 Fantic Hiro 250

Eddie wrote:

> Champ wrote:
> > 
> > Interesting - I feel like my upper body has got stronger, initially
> > using the chair (which is hard work), and now using the crutches
> > (which is harder).
> 
> Mine certainly did, at least in places: the muscle on the inside of
> my forearm would pop out like a tennis ball if I bent my fist inward.

Careful, you'll get cane all excited.

-- 
Krusty
www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
Off-Road Classifieds

'02 MV Senna  '03 Tiger 955i  '96 Tiger  '79 Fantic Hiro 250

In article , Champ says...

> I've got some great mates who ride bikes.  I've also met some prize
> cunts who ride bikes too.

And some people who manage both categories at once :)
-- 
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:38:05 +0100, Champ  wrote:
 
>On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:57:05 +0200, Ace  wrote:

>>My legs managed to retain their strength when I was down, I guess due
>>to being able#Wmade to walk, at least a little bit with the physio
>>assisting, from about ten days after the accident. The relatively
>>small amount of skiing I did that season (just a 2-3 weeks' worth)
>>also helped maintain the muscle. 
>>
>>But the lost core and upper-body strength has taken two years of hard
>>work, and I'm still not sure it's back to what it was beforehand.
>
>Interesting - I feel like my upper body has got stronger, initially
>using the chair (which is hard work), and now using the crutches
>(which is harder).

Hardly surprising, though. The thing that sufferred most for me was my
overall fitness level - sure, the legs were still strong, but I was
unable to sustain any high level of activity sufficiently long to get
properly fit - the pain would kick in too early - so I think I got
progressively less fit right up until about six months ago. 

Even during this last ski season my fitness didn't improve that much -
I think I was doing too much, such that I was hurting too much to
really push it, if that makes sense. Probably I'd have done better,
fitness-wise, with only about half as much skiing and a lot more gym
work. But sod that, eh? Any day on the mountain is worthwhile in and
for itself, IMO.

-- 
  _______
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 `\\ | //'   BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10
   `\|/`
     `

Bear wrote:

> In article , Champ says...
> 
> > I've got some great mates who ride bikes.  I've also met some prize
> > cunts who ride bikes too.
> 
> And some people who manage both categories at once :)

<waves>

-- 
Lozzo
SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka
and a shit load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage
I believe in free speech, but I still have to pay my phone bill

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:23:00 +0200, Ace  wrote:

>>>But the lost core and upper-body strength has taken two years of hard
>>>work, and I'm still not sure it's back to what it was beforehand.
>>
>>Interesting - I feel like my upper body has got stronger, initially
>>using the chair (which is hard work), and now using the crutches
>>(which is harder).
>
>Hardly surprising, though. The thing that sufferred most for me was my
>overall fitness level - sure, the legs were still strong, but I was
>unable to sustain any high level of activity sufficiently long to get
>properly fit - the pain would kick in too early - so I think I got
>progressively less fit right up until about six months ago. 

Oh sure - I know my general level of fitness has been fucked.  I'm
actually looking forward to being able to train and get it back.

>Even during this last ski season my fitness didn't improve that much -
>I think I was doing too much, such that I was hurting too much to
>really push it, if that makes sense. Probably I'd have done better,
>fitness-wise, with only about half as much skiing and a lot more gym
>work. But sod that, eh? Any day on the mountain is worthwhile in and
>for itself, IMO.

No argument from me :-)
-- 
Champ
What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger
ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken)
neal at champ dot org dot uk

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:02:50 +0100, Bear 
wrote:

>In article , T i m says...
>> On 03 Sep 2008 09:37:46 GMT, crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>> >Getting back to the point, when buying a bike some of us go for a 
>> >practical answer and others go for fancy toys. Its all a matter of 
>> >objectives. For my purposes since retirement the GS is overpowered for
>> >the task but has far better brakes etc than the damned 125 that tried
>> >to kill me instead of stopping.
>> 
>> Indeed, horses for course etc and I'm surprised that within a group
>> (motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
>> (here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?
>
>So if someone thinks you're a tit they should keep quiet about it, just 
>coz you and they ride a bike?

No, like I said elsewhere, I have no issue with that.

All the best ..

T i m

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:05:23 +0100, Eddie  wrote:

>T i m wrote:
>> 
>> Indeed, horses for course etc and I'm surprised that within a group
>> (motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
>> (here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?
>
>"seem" is a key word here. 

Indeed.

>Wind you neck in and stop overreacting.

I don't feel I am Eddie, as in I'm not actually bovvered etc, it's
just chat after all.
>
>Oh, and that's not how you spell camaraderie, assuming that's what you 
>were trying to spell.

I was and thanks. ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:16:30 +0100, Champ  wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:48:22 +0100, T i m  wrote:
>
>>I'm surprised that within a group
>>(motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
>>(here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?
>
>This 'bikers are all mates' canard is utter nonsense and always has
>been.

Well, that may be so in your experience and I'm not saying *all*
bikers a great people of course but I have been offered (and have
offered) more support on the road when on a bike, by bikers than I
have even done when in a car.[1]

That's not to say car drivers are any different just I have no
positive experiences with them to relay here.
>
>I've got some great mates who ride bikes.  I've also met some prize
>cunts who ride bikes too.

Of course, but that wasn't the spirit of my comment.

All the best ..

T i m

[1] The exception is within the kitcar world.

On 3 Sep 2008 10:17:47 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

>T i m wrote:
>
>> On 03 Sep 2008 09:37:46 GMT, crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>> 
>> <snip>
>> 
>> > Getting back to the point, when buying a bike some of us go for a 
>> > practical answer and others go for fancy toys. Its all a matter of 
>> > objectives. For my purposes since retirement the GS is overpowered
>> > for the task but has far better brakes etc than the damned 125 that
>> > tried to kill me instead of stopping.
>> 
>> Indeed, horses for course etc and I'm surprised that within a group
>> (motorcyclists) generally known for their comradery that there are
>> (here) a minority that seem to want to be otherwise?
>
>OK a couple of things. Firstly, many of us aren't into the whole bikers
>camaraderie thing. A cunt's a cunt no matter what their hobbies are.

Agreed.
>
>Secondly, if you're looking for acceptance from a group of peers based
>on how you get from A to B, you're in the wrong place. 

And you know that's not the case (all points).

>If someone
>thinks you're talking shit, they'll more than likely say so.

Good.

> When that
>happens, never apologise, just admit you're a fuckwit, or start getting
>shouty & sweary - either will do.

I thought I had?

> Just don't make out you should be
>given a break because you're a 'biking comrade'.

<sigh> That statement was meant as a generalized comment about how
people with a common purpose might (ideally) react. Now it's obvious
here there are some people who have never actually offered me any
practical advise or help but further feel the need to jump in on every
of my threads with some bizarre side-comments. Now, I have no issues
with that as I slowly get to know who they are and ignore them (or
reply if I'm up for some fun). Look at this thread as an example. A
few decent answers to my actual request for help and all (this) crap
about nothing (who the fuck cares if *I* enjoy or have fun riding a
bike ffs).
>
>And just in case you think I'm being a sheep & picking on you, I've
>already stated I agree with you on the 'riding for fun/enjoying the
>ride' thing, but you're totally wrong about the Alex/Andy snipping
>thing.

I feel that although not the brightest button in the box and being
fairly thick skinned I have a reasonably good idea who the good guys
(n gals) are here. I stand by my justification on the 'mistake' I made
up there ^^ and anyone who doesn't like it can go fuck themselves (<<
is that ok?) ;-)
>
>Oh, & thirdly, if you could lose this...
>
>> Al the best ..
>
>...it'd be good. It's really wanky, especially when you haven't got a
>sig sep.

That's me I'm afraid Krusty (wanky) and if I had a formal / had sig I
guess I could put in a sig sep.

It is me, what I do and I feel no more offensive (to me anyway) than a
4+ line sig full of crap that I have to see over and over again.

But just for you ;-)

T i m

T i m wrote:

> On 3 Sep 2008 10:17:47 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> > Oh, & thirdly, if you could lose this...
> > 
> >> Al the best ..
> > 
> > ...it'd be good. It's really wanky, especially when you haven't got
> > a sig sep.
> 
> That's me I'm afraid Krusty (wanky) and if I had a formal / had sig I
> guess I could put in a sig sep.

It's text you add to every post, therefore it should have a sig sep so
people don't have to manually delete it everytime they reply.
 
> It is me, what I do and I feel no more offensive (to me anyway) than a
> 4+ line sig full of crap that I have to see over and over again.

But which you don't have to manually delete.


-- 
Krusty
www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
Off-Road Classifieds

'02 MV Senna  '03 Tiger 955i  '96 Tiger  '79 Fantic Hiro 250

T i m wrote:
> 
> That's me I'm afraid Krusty (wanky) and if I had a formal / had sig I
> guess I could put in a sig sep.
> 
> It is me, what I do and I feel no more offensive (to me anyway) than a
> 4+ line sig full of crap that I have to see over and over again.
> 


It is considered good manners to conform to the conventions of 
the newsgroup to which you are posting. 

One of the conventions of this newsgroup (and many others), 
is that you can put signatures, witticisms, sign-off text... 
whatever, at the bottom of your post. But it should be separated 
from the main body of the post by a sig. separator, '-- '. 

This allows the reader to automatically cut these texts from 
the message and not see them (should s/he wish).

You may either continue to forge your own (soon to be derided 
and lonely) path and piss off everyone else in the group. 
Or you could show some nous and make a small change to keep 
everyone happy.

Tit education. It's a tough job, but Pip seems to be MIA.

-- 
Alex
BMW R1150GS
DIAABTCOD#3  MSWF#4  UKRMFBC#6  Ibw#35  BOB#8
Windy's "little soldier"

T i m  wrote:

> Me, I don't really give a fuck as long as I can read what the poster
> has written. To me the most important point is helping each other with
> motorcycle issues not punctuation etc.

You don't 'get' ukrm, then.

-- 
BMW K1100LT  Ducati 750SS  Yamaha XT600E  Honda CB400F
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."

T i m  wrote:

> All I
> wanted was advice re the Unitrack. 

OK: let's start with spelling it correctly.


-- 
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chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."

T i m  wrote:

> >You don't 'get' ukrm, then.
> 
> Well I don't get that part of it apparently <sigh>, however luckily
> quite a few others seem not to either so I'm happy. ;-)

As you might have guessed, a great number of people here have got to
know each other personally through this ng.

We go for beers, ride-outs, Continental weekends, even holidays,
together. Ukrm exists beyond cyberspace.

There are plenty of people who post, or just lurk, who never participate
in the irl activities, and that's fine, but the biggest mistake anyone
can make is to assume that all the action happens online.

Now, the next French Run is in May 2009. Some 60 people went on the last
one. Two nights in France in comfortable hotels, epic eating and
drinking, much hilarity[1], cost about £150 a head. Watch for the
announcements.

[1] The regular who filled his bike with paraffin instead of unleaded
will *never* be allowed to forget it.

-- 
BMW K1100LT  Ducati 750SS  Yamaha XT600E  Honda CB400F
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."

In article <1imppe3.bbkrr91qteN%totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk>, The 
Older Gentleman says...

> [1] The regular who filled his bike with paraffin instead of unleaded
> will *never* be allowed to forget it.

Or the bloke who banged on about his "reliable" Ducati ... which got him 
how far?

;)
-- 
Bear
2002 Yamaha R1
Saab Aero Sport

The Older Gentleman  wrote:

> [1] The regular who filled his bike with paraffin instead of unleaded
> will *never* be allowed to forget it.

And I still have a certain empty bottle in the kitchen.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Hongdou GY200 -  - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 Veloce Sportwagon Selespeed -Alfa 156 TSpark- Passat 2.0TDI SE

steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in news:1imtjiy.1815kjlle1nezN%
steve@italiancar.co.uk:

> The Older Gentleman  wrote:
> 
>> [1] The regular who filled his bike with paraffin instead of unleaded
>> will *never* be allowed to forget it.
> 
> And I still have a certain empty bottle in the kitchen.

fill it from the wine box when you have guests, eh?

-- 
wessie at tesco dot net

BMW R1150GS

wessie  wrote:

> steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in news:1imtjiy.1815kjlle1nezN%
> steve@italiancar.co.uk:
> 
> > The Older Gentleman  wrote:
> > 
> >> [1] The regular who filled his bike with paraffin instead of unleaded
> >> will *never* be allowed to forget it.
> > 
> > And I still have a certain empty bottle in the kitchen.
> 
> fill it from the wine box when you have guests, eh?

You know, I'd never thought of that.

I will now, though ;-)
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Hongdou GY200 -  - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 Veloce Sportwagon Selespeed -Alfa 156 TSpark- Passat 2.0TDI SE

wessie  wrote:

> steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote in news:1imtjiy.1815kjlle1nezN%
> steve@italiancar.co.uk:
> 
> > The Older Gentleman  wrote:
> > 
> >> [1] The regular who filled his bike with paraffin instead of unleaded
> >> will *never* be allowed to forget it.
> > 
> > And I still have a certain empty bottle in the kitchen.
> 
> fill it from the wine box when you have guests, eh?

Bloody *genius*


-- 
BMW K1100LT  Ducati 750SS  Yamaha XT600E  Honda CB400F
chateau dot murray at idnet dot com
"What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time
and hassle for no tangible benefit."