It's all ukrm's fault.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm

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Cab

> It's all ukrm's fault.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm

"10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?

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Kev

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:42:54 +0100, "Kevin Stone"
 wrote:
 
>> It's all ukrm's fault.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm
>
>"10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?

Why wouldn't it? 
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>>"10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?
>
> Why wouldn't it?

Because "children up to the age of 10 eat free" doesn't include 10 year 
olds!

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Kevin Stone wrote:
>> It's all ukrm's fault.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm
> 
> "10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?
> 

IWHT 'No' but wibble flip.

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On Aug 31, 4:42 pm, Catman  wrote:
> Kevin Stone wrote:
> >> It's all ukrm's fault.
>
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm
>
> > "10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?
>
> IWHT 'No' but wibble flip.

Why not word it properly and saw "10 items or fewer" as they say in
the article?
That sign always made me go all Radio 4.

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In article 
,
 Speedgazebo  wrote:

> Why not word it properly and saw "10 items or fewer" as they say in
> the article?

'stupidity'.

HTH.

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"Kevin Stone"  wrote in message 
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>>>"10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?
>>
>> Why wouldn't it?
>
> Because "children up to the age of 10 eat free" doesn't include 10 year 
> olds!

Because ten-year-olds are over ten years of age.
-- 
R.

>> Because "children up to the age of 10 eat free" doesn't include 10 year 
>> olds!
>
> Because ten-year-olds are over ten years of age.

Well that's not always true.

I was born at 10am, so on the day of my 10th birthday, I wasn't 10 years of 
age until 10am. However, I was 10 years old from midnight 10 hours earlier.

-- 
Kev

Speedgazebo wrote:
> On Aug 31, 4:42 pm, Catman  wrote:
>> Kevin Stone wrote:
>>>> It's all ukrm's fault.
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm
>>> "10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?
>> IWHT 'No' but wibble flip.
> 
> Why not word it properly and saw "10 items or fewer" as they say in
> the article?

Well, indeed.

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In article , Cab  
wrote:

> It's all ukrm's fault.
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm

In the sense that businesses and government departments are having to 
'dumb down' their message across the board, as education standards 
plummet and people are more concerned with a new iPhone than with 
'boring' stuff like whether 'it's' takes an apostrophe and when, or 
whether countable nouns are 'less' or 'fewer' when there are, erm.. 
fewer of them.

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Speedgazebo  wrote in news:072084e4-36f8-4008-837f-
a109bc317665@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> On Aug 31, 4:42 pm, Catman  wrote:
>> Kevin Stone wrote:
>> >> It's all ukrm's fault.
>>
>> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm
>>
>> > "10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?
>>
>> IWHT 'No' but wibble flip.
> 
> Why not word it properly and saw[1] "10 items or fewer" as they say in
> the article?
> That sign always made me go all Radio 4.
> 

That will be next month's press release, after conducting a customer 
survey, which requested the "10 items or fewer" sign. 

[1] you know that edict about a spelling or grammar flame...

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wessie wrote:
> Speedgazebo  wrote in
> news:072084e4-36f8-4008-837f-
> a109bc317665@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 4:42 pm, Catman  wrote:
>>> Kevin Stone wrote:
>>>>> It's all ukrm's fault.
>>> 
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm
>>> 
>>>> "10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10
>>>> items"? 
>>> 
>>> IWHT 'No' but wibble flip.
>> 
>> Why not word it properly and saw[1] "10 items or fewer" as they say
>> in the article?
>> That sign always made me go all Radio 4.
>> 
> 
> That will be next month's press release, after conducting a customer
> survey, which requested the "10 items or fewer" sign.

They can start working on Orange and their "Racoon" tariff next.

"wessie"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9B0BDE4C35B4Ewtymmmsas@85.214.90.228...
>
>>> >> It's all ukrm's fault.
>>> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm
>>>
>>> > "10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?
>>>
>>> IWHT 'No' but wibble flip.
>>
>> Why not word it properly and saw[1] "10 items or fewer" as they say in
>> the article?
>> That sign always made me go all Radio 4.
>
> That will be next month's press release, after conducting a customer
> survey, which requested the "10 items or fewer" sign.
>
> [1] you know that edict about a spelling or grammar flame...

Along similar lines I emailed Dettol a while ago pointing out that they'd 
used the phrase "one bacteria" in their latest TV ad.

They replied: "We are aware that the correct description for a single 
unicellular prokaryotic organism, which reproduces by cell division, should 
be "one bacterium".  It was felt however that it would be more appropriate 
to use the word "bacteria" as bacteria is a term that more people can relate 
to and more commonly used."

I suppose no-one ever got sacked for overestimating the stupidity of their 
own customers.
-- 
R.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:19:27 +0100, "Rudy Lacchin"
  said

>I suppose no-one ever got sacked for overestimating the stupidity of their 
>own customers.

Ratner... but I suppose he didn't exactly get fired.

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 typed
>"wessie"  wrote in message 
>news:Xns9B0BDE4C35B4Ewtymmmsas@85.214.90.228...
>>
>>>> >> It's all ukrm's fault.
>>>> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7590440.stm
>>>>
>>>> > "10 items or less" includes exactly 10 items. Does "up to 10 items"?
>>>>
>>>> IWHT 'No' but wibble flip.
>>>
>>> Why not word it properly and saw[1] "10 items or fewer" as they say in
>>> the article?
>>> That sign always made me go all Radio 4.
>>
>> That will be next month's press release, after conducting a customer
>> survey, which requested the "10 items or fewer" sign.
>>
>> [1] you know that edict about a spelling or grammar flame...
>
>Along similar lines I emailed Dettol a while ago pointing out that 
>they'd used the phrase "one bacteria" in their latest TV ad.
>
>They replied: "We are aware that the correct description for a single 
>unicellular prokaryotic organism, which reproduces by cell division, 
>should be "one bacterium".  It was felt however that it would be more 
>appropriate to use the word "bacteria" as bacteria is a term that more 
>people can relate to and more commonly used."
>
>I suppose no-one ever got sacked for overestimating the stupidity of 
>their own customers.

Indeed. The ASA were uninterested in my comments on the "contains no 
chemicals" claim for a so-called "organic" fertiliser. Odd, they reckon 
to ensure that adverts are truthful.

Hah!

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My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity.

des wrote:

> In the sense that businesses and government departments are having to 
> 'dumb down' their message across the board, as education standards 
> plummet and people are more concerned with a new iPhone than with 
> 'boring' stuff like whether 'it's' takes an apostrophe and when, or 
> whether countable nouns are 'less' or 'fewer' when there are, erm.. 
> fewer of them.

I blame teachers.

-- 
Chris

In article ,
 "CT"  wrote:

> des wrote:
> 
> > In the sense that businesses and government departments are having to 
> > 'dumb down' their message across the board, as education standards 
> > plummet and people are more concerned with a new iPhone than with 
> > 'boring' stuff like whether 'it's' takes an apostrophe and when, or 
> > whether countable nouns are 'less' or 'fewer' when there are, erm.. 
> > fewer of them.
> 
> I blame teachers.

Most people do.

D.
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