The early ones, that is.

I've noticed the price on these has dropped a fair bit of late and all
of a sudden they look like they're in budget.

So... anyone ridden one?

I seem to remember 'Mike' kept breaking the gearboxes on the ones he
had when they first came out, in between breaking himself on it - are
they prone to doing this?

I've not yet found a Thunderace to replace the VFR with, and given I
really liked the Fazer 600 I had (bar the shite build quality / lack
of top end), a while back, I'm wondering if one of these would be
worth a punt.

I've tried Bandit 1200s and I'm unimpressed... XJR1300 etc seems a bit
too lardy for what I want, hence why one of these appeals.

Not really interested in doing long distance trips - my bike is mainly
used for scratching and generally arsing around on local back roads
etc, and if I am honest, the one thing I would like is enough poke in
second for the front to come up off the power, something the VFR
doesn't quite have enough of.

--
JackH

jackhackettuk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> The early ones, that is.

How early?
-- 
FZ1-N GS650GT Go-Ped Sport
BOMB#14 ibW#40 LotR#0 (RIP) BOTAFOT#157 BotM#3

On 26 Aug, 09:55, "Whinging Courier"
 wrote:
> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > The early ones, that is.
>
> How early?

Seen a 2001 model at the right money, so far... so pretty much one of
the first I should think.

--
JackH

On Aug 26, 10:45 am, jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Seen a 2001 model at the right money, so far... so pretty much one of
> the first I should think.
>

EXUP valves seize up, but apart from that they seem pretty bullet
proof. It's an R1 engine with a heavier crank and different head.

The suspension is a bit soft and the steering a bit slow, but most of
that can be adjusted out or fixed properly with a new shock / spring /
linkage. I think it just adds to the fun.

120 ish bhp at the back wheel, 130 ish with a slip-on and jet kit, 140
with further breathing mods.

Way more fun than a VFR unless you're doing 130mph down a motorway for
hours on end. Several generations more modern than an XJR / ZRX etc.
and doesn't come with the chip-on-the-shoulder that Bandit 12 owners
seem to develop.

jackhackettuk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 26 Aug, 09:55, "Whinging Courier"
>  wrote:
>> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> The early ones, that is.
>> How early?
> 
> Seen a 2001 model at the right money, so far... so pretty much one of
> the first I should think.

I'm still (not really seriously) looking for a buyer for my 2007 but 
don't want to sell it for 2001 money.


-- 
FZ1-N GS650GT Go-Ped Sport
BOMB#14 ibW#40 LotR#0 (RIP) BOTAFOT#157 BotM#3

On 26 Aug, 15:25, Whinging Courier
 wrote:
> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > On 26 Aug, 09:55, "Whinging Courier"
> >  wrote:
> >> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>> The early ones, that is.
> >> How early?
>
> > Seen a 2001 model at the right money, so far... so pretty much one of
> > the first I should think.
>
> I'm still (not really seriously) looking for a buyer for my 2007 but
> don't want to sell it for 2001 money.

Out of my price range, I'm afraid. :-)

--
JackH

On 26 Aug, 12:12, RealMart  wrote:
> On Aug 26, 10:45 am, jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > Seen a 2001 model at the right money, so far... so pretty much one of
> > the first I should think.
>
> EXUP valves seize up, but apart from that they seem pretty bullet
> proof.

That's a Yamaha litre bike given, so it seems.

Others have advised that if you look after the EXUP valve, it'll look
after you - they need regular routine maintenance.

> It's an R1 engine with a heavier crank and different head.

*nods*

> The suspension is a bit soft and the steering a bit slow, but most of
> that can be adjusted out or fixed properly with a new shock / spring /
> linkage. I think it just adds to the fun.
>
> 120 ish bhp at the back wheel, 130 ish with a slip-on and jet kit, 140
> with further breathing mods.
>
> Way more fun than a VFR unless you're doing 130mph down a motorway for
> hours on end. Several generations more modern than an XJR / ZRX etc.
> and doesn't come with the chip-on-the-shoulder that Bandit 12 owners
> seem to develop.

heh

Cheers

--
JackH

jackhackettuk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 26 Aug, 15:25, Whinging Courier
>  wrote:
>> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 26 Aug, 09:55, "Whinging Courier"
>>>  wrote:
>>>> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> The early ones, that is.
>>>> How early?
>>> Seen a 2001 model at the right money, so far... so pretty much one of
>>> the first I should think.
>> I'm still (not really seriously) looking for a buyer for my 2007 but
>> don't want to sell it for 2001 money.
> 
> Out of my price range, I'm afraid. :-)

'sallright :)


-- 
FZ1-N GS650GT Go-Ped Sport
BOMB#14 ibW#40 LotR#0 (RIP) BOTAFOT#157 BotM#3

On 26 Aug, 16:20, Whinging Courier
 wrote:
> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > On 26 Aug, 15:25, Whinging Courier
> >  wrote:
> >> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>> On 26 Aug, 09:55, "Whinging Courier"
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >>>>> The early ones, that is.
> >>>> How early?
> >>> Seen a 2001 model at the right money, so far... so pretty much one of
> >>> the first I should think.
> >> I'm still (not really seriously) looking for a buyer for my 2007 but
> >> don't want to sell it for 2001 money.
>
> > Out of my price range, I'm afraid. :-)
>
> 'sallright :)

And what is Sir thinking of replacing it with... and why?

--
JackH

jackhackettuk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 26 Aug, 16:20, Whinging Courier
>  wrote:
>> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> On 26 Aug, 15:25, Whinging Courier
>>>  wrote:
>>>> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 26 Aug, 09:55, "Whinging Courier"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>>> The early ones, that is.
>>>>>> How early?
>>>>> Seen a 2001 model at the right money, so far... so pretty much one of
>>>>> the first I should think.
>>>> I'm still (not really seriously) looking for a buyer for my 2007 but
>>>> don't want to sell it for 2001 money.
>>> Out of my price range, I'm afraid. :-)
>> 'sallright :)
> 
> And what is Sir thinking of replacing it with...

Cash :)

  and why?

Living beyond my means and a hefty credit card balance ;-)

I have a SOB to tide me over and winter's coming...

-- 
FZ1-N GS650GT Go-Ped Sport
BOMB#14 ibW#40 LotR#0 (RIP) BOTAFOT#157 BotM#3

On 26 Aug, 17:19, Whinging Courier
 wrote:
> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> > And what is Sir thinking of replacing it with...

> Cash :)

Bloody awful time of year to sell IMHO, especially given the current
financial climate.

>   and why?

> Living beyond my means and a hefty credit card balance ;-)

Fair enough.

> I have a SOB to tide me over and winter's coming...

What happened to the rat bike?

--
JackH

jackhackettuk@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> The early ones, that is.
>
> I've noticed the price on these has dropped a fair bit of late and all
> of a sudden they look like they're in budget.
>
> So... anyone ridden one?

Had mine over three years from new.

Somebody else mentioned seized exup valves, but in my case it was the cable 
operating it that seized at the same time as the choke cable seized (this 
may have been a pdi issue as it had always been stiff to operate). The 
seized exup cable put the engine into a 'safe mode' where it wouldn't idle. 
The seized choke cable cured that at the expense of loss of engine braking 
due to a 3000 rpm idle! I spray everything liberally with Scottoil FS365 and 
so far the finish has stood up reasonably well to three winters worth of 
daily commuting. Fitted with chin spoiler and hugger to keep most of the 
crap off. Black finish is starting to fall off from parts of the engine most 
subject to spray and gravel.

Top speed is limited by your neck, but roll-on acceleration is quite 
addictive. There's a bit of hesitation at low revs that doesn't quite 
resolve itself as a stutter nor driveline shunt. I'm told that a 'Ivan's jet 
kit' solves the problem but I haven't got around to trying it yet. Can't say 
how the performance compares to similar bikes because I haven't tried them. 
Riding position suits my stocky (OK Fat) 6' frame. Getting off a 'sports' 
bike and riding it for the first time, it felt like a large trailie. You get 
a pretty good, high up, view in traffic. New stiffer aftermarket rear shock 
helps with 'stockiness' and increases arse to ground distance from 
'dragging' to something which gives a comfortable forward lean.

Fuel consumption on a mixed commute of three lane, town and country road 
varies between 35mpg (max speed 120) and 45mpg (max speed 80 and after a 
'talking to' from an unmarked Janitor). It'll easily do 150 miles from full 
tank to reserve if you want it to.

Tyre's are now Conti Road Attacks, which are OK (and cheap) when new, but 
give a slight hands off weave on slowing down through 40-50 mph when the 
front is worn. I am most definitely not a fast rider, which might explain 
why the handling seemed OK to me despite soft original suspension.

The sidestand can be awkward to get down in the rain (or snow) due to its 
positioning if you have race boots with 'chamfer' on heal. This may just be 
a problem with my ankle articulation. I Solved it by 'roughening' the ball 
on the sidestand to get more purchase.

Oh yeah, the original horn is shit and would be embarrasing on a Honda 
Melody. Budget a tenner or two for some aftermarket horns.

I like it. In fact I may buy a lower mileage, less abused example to replace 
it.

For lots of interesting and exciting things to do with Fazer thou's see:

http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/index.html

-- 
Chris H,
FZS1000, two#55
He's predictable, but that's to be expected.
Please remove the numbers to reply

In article <5f7216db-6c0a-4b42-9d1d-0199c634b8e7@w39g2000prb.googlegroup
s.com>, jackhackettuk@yahoo.co.uk writes
>
>
>What happened to the rat bike?

That is a tale that would be unbelievable were it not for the fact it is
true.

-- 
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

On 26 Aug, 18:07, steve auvache  wrote:
> In article <5f7216db-6c0a-4b42-9d1d-0199c634b...@w39g2000prb.googlegroup
> s.com>, jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk writes
>
>
>
> >What happened to the rat bike?
>
> That is a tale that would be unbelievable were it not for the fact it is
> true.

Ok... so spill the beans or at least point me in the direction of any
thread that covers the basics.

--
JackH

On 26 Aug, 17:57, "Chris H"  wrote:
> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

<Fazer 1000>

> Top speed is limited by your neck, but roll-on acceleration is quite
> addictive.

Good good.  I'm quite partial to off the throttle mingers these days,
(allegedly),  and as per my original post, the VFR is bloody good for
stuff in first gear, but a no show in second... which is where you
need to initially be if you want to progress up the box any further
with clutchless changes.

> There's a bit of hesitation at low revs that doesn't quite
> resolve itself as a stutter nor driveline shunt. I'm told that a 'Ivan's jet
> kit' solves the problem but I haven't got around to trying it yet. Can't say
> how the performance compares to similar bikes because I haven't tried them.
> Riding position suits my stocky (OK Fat) 6' frame.

6'3" and 'stocky', too. ;-)

> Getting off a 'sports'
> bike and riding it for the first time, it felt like a large trailie. You get
> a pretty good, high up, view in traffic. New stiffer aftermarket rear shock
> helps with 'stockiness' and increases arse to ground distance from
> 'dragging' to something which gives a comfortable forward lean.

All sounds good - I was always really impressed with how slingable the
Fazer 600 I had was, especially given how basic the suspension set up
is on those.

> Fuel consumption on a mixed commute of three lane, town and country road
> varies between 35mpg (max speed 120) and 45mpg (max speed 80 and after a
> 'talking to' from an unmarked Janitor). It'll easily do 150 miles from full
> tank to reserve if you want it to.

About the same as the VFR then... and better than the Fazer 600 I had.

> Tyre's are now Conti Road Attacks, which are OK (and cheap) when new, but
> give a slight hands off weave on slowing down through 40-50 mph when the
> front is worn. I am most definitely not a fast rider, which might explain
> why the handling seemed OK to me despite soft original suspension.

Got those on the VFR as well, and had them on the CBR before that -
seem alright really, and no notable weaving as of yet.

> The sidestand can be awkward to get down in the rain (or snow) due to its
> positioning if you have race boots with 'chamfer' on heal. This may just be
> a problem with my ankle articulation. I Solved it by 'roughening' the ball
> on the sidestand to get more purchase.
>
> Oh yeah, the original horn is shit and would be embarrasing on a Honda
> Melody. Budget a tenner or two for some aftermarket horns.
>
> I like it. In fact I may buy a lower mileage, less abused example to replace
> it.
>
> For lots of interesting and exciting things to do with Fazer thou's see:
>
> http://www.cartestsoftware.com/fz1/index.html

Noted.

Many thanks for the advice. :-)

--
JackH

jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> The early ones, that is.
>
> I've noticed the price on these has dropped a fair bit of late and all
> of a sudden they look like they're in budget.
>
> So... anyone ridden one?
>
> I've tried Bandit 1200s and I'm unimpressed... XJR1300 etc seems a bit
> too lardy for what I want, hence why one of these appeals.
>
> the one thing I would like is enough poke in second for the front to come up off the power

You're probably looking at a big V-twin then, they don't need much
coaxing to loft the front on the power.

Have you considered the SV1000 or a Falco ? if you're feeling very
brave, a TL1000 ;)

P.

On 26 Aug, 23:11, zymu...@technologist.com wrote:
> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > The early ones, that is.
>
> > I've noticed the price on these has dropped a fair bit of late and all
> > of a sudden they look like they're in budget.
>
> > So... anyone ridden one?
>
> > I've tried Bandit 1200s and I'm unimpressed... XJR1300 etc seems a bit
> > too lardy for what I want, hence why one of these appeals.
>
> > the one thing I would like is enough poke in second for the front to come up off the power
>
> You're probably looking at a big V-twin then, they don't need much
> coaxing to loft the front on the power.

Call me fussy, but I'm not keen on V-Twins really?

> Have you considered the SV1000 or a Falco ? if you're feeling very
> brave, a TL1000 ;)

I quite like the look of the RSV Mille, if I'm honest... :-)

--
JackH

On 27 Aug, 09:31, "Whinging Courier"
 wrote:
> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> > What happened to the rat bike?
>
> "No comment"

Well... it's not likely that anyone stole it really, is it.

Environmental Health?

--
JackH

jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> On 27 Aug, 09:31, "Whinging Courier"
>  wrote:
> > jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > What happened to the rat bike?
> >
> > "No comment"
>
> Well... it's not likely that anyone stole it really, is it.

lol. You wouldn't believe us if we told you.

P.

On 27 Aug, 14:04, zymu...@technologist.com wrote:
> jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > On 27 Aug, 09:31, "Whinging Courier"
> >  wrote:
> > > jackhacket...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > > What happened to the rat bike?
>
> > > "No comment"
>
> > Well... it's not likely that anyone stole it really, is it.
>
> lol. You wouldn't believe us if we told you.

Bought by National Motorcycle Museum and now on display, what with
them possibly being a bit hard up for exhibits since 'The Fire'?

Mistaken for one of Damien Hursts finest, and sold at auction for $2.2
million to a private collector?

--
JackH