Can anyone recommend a firm either fitting or supplying these in Sussex or 
closest location/

Thanks again.

:o(

"Hilary"  wrote in message 
news:f0r3e4$5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Can anyone recommend a firm either fitting or supplying these in Sussex or 
> closest location/
>
> Thanks again.
>
> :o(


Hilary

Don't know if I am barking up the wrong tree, but

If you are thinking of towing a car behind a motorhome, it is ilegal, unless 
it is under 750Kgs (which there are not many)
'A' frames and Dollies

Q. What is a trailer?
A. A road vehicle, usually (but not necessarily) two wheeled, towed by a 
motor vehicle.Given the above dictionary definition, it is fairly clear that 
anything attached to the towball and having wheels in contact with the 
ground is a trailer. This includes cars on 'A' frames and dollies. Bearing 
in mind that the unbraked towing limit of 750 kgs refers to Maximum Gross 
Weight (i.e. the figure on the towed cars VIN plate) and not to actual 
weight, it severely restricts the options. The only cars I know of with a 
MGW of less than 750 kgs is the Aixam range. These are around 450 to 550 
kgs.

There are strict regulations on braked trailers and, whilst a braked 'A' 
frame attached to a towed car constitutes a braked trailer, it is not legal 
for transportation as it cannot comply with EC71/320. With car dollies, the 
situation is somewhat different. Under regulation 83 of the Road Vehicles 
(construction & Use) Regulations 1986 (SI.1986/1078) Amending Regulations, a 
car dolly, with a car in place, will be considered as two trailers. This is 
legal for recovery but, under the Road Traffic Regulations Act 1984 
(Schedule 6) the combination is limited to 40 mph on motorways and dual 
carriageways and 20 mph elsewhere.

Note that there is a very specific difference between recovery and 
transportation. Recovery is the removal of a broken down vehicle to a place 
of safety. It does not include removing a rotor arm (for instance) and 
travelling the length and breadth of the country. The police are well aware 
of the difference due to the regulations covering Tachographs and Operators 
Licences. Recovery vehicles are exempt.

It is well known that some countries in the EEC tend to overlook the 
regulations (the UK included) but some countries don't. The situation 
regarding enforcement could change at any time and, as a result, the only 
safe way to transport another vehicle behind a motorhome is on a car 
transporter trailer. Play safe! Don't take the risk!

The regulations which cover this aspect of towing are:-
91/438/EEC covers driving licences.
71/320/EEC covers auto reverse braking systems and couplings.
S.I. 1971 No 450 Part III covers the obstruction of number plates.
94/20/EEC covers type approval of towing equipment and 'S' and 'D' values.
95/48/EEC covers Masses and Dimensions of M1 class vehicles.
E.T.R.T.O. 1991 section 13 covers wheels and tyres.
BSAU 113c covers 50mm ball and coupling dimensions.
BSAU 24a (1989) covers eye couplings and pin/jaw arrangements.
98/12/EEC covers brake linings and will be implemented in the UK from 
1/4/01.And not strictly towing but applicable to motorhomes is EN1648-1 
covers extra low voltage installations in Leisure Vehicles and Caravans.

Metwo

"Hilary"  wrote in message 
news:f0r3e4$5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Can anyone recommend a firm either fitting or supplying these in 
> Sussex or closest location/
>

As 'METWO' points out, Sussex police are not very keen on dollies or 
"A" frames AIUI and will pull users of them if spotted - they don't 
even seem keen on their use as 'recovery tools'.

Perhaps the above is why you are having problems finding a 
supplier?....

"METWO"  wrote in message 
news:4631e570$0$70766$7b0f0fd3@mistral.news.newnet.co.uk...
>
> "Hilary"  wrote in message 
> news:f0r3e4$5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Can anyone recommend a firm either fitting or supplying these in Sussex 
>> or closest location/
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> :o(
>
>
> Hilary
>
> Don't know if I am barking up the wrong tree, but

Any input on the subject is gratefully received. So thanks for replying.

> If you are thinking of towing a car behind a motorhome, it is ilegal, 
> unless it is under 750Kgs (which there are not many)
> 'A' frames and Dollies
>

Its not an easy subject I know.  I have read the article before and it seems 
one big grey area, no two driving experts seem to agree. Its very much down 
to interpretation or put another way eventually someone will be procecuted 
and then the resulting court case/s will clarify the situation one way or 
another.  My understanding is that a braked a-frame moves it into a slightly 
different grey area. The police seem to be playing a watch and wait game, 
and only pulling the grossly overloaded or unsafe.

There are quite a few firms up and down the country doing the car-a-tow type 
which is somewhat more substantial than the fold up emergency types, but our 
nearest is in Poole and I was hoping to find someone nearer.  With the chaos 
of our impending move I was hoping to avoid loosing a hubby for the day 
while he takes the car down there.  As they are specifically made for each 
different model and they havent done an mg midget before they need to see it 
first.

:o)

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:46325f79$0$97256$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
> As 'METWO' points out, Sussex police are not very keen on dollies or "A" 
> frames AIUI and will pull users of them if spotted - they don't even seem 
> keen on their use as 'recovery tools'.
>

Its funny you can never find a policeman when you need them, yet they are 
all over the place when you dont. Fortunately we wont be in Sussex for much 
longer. lol!!

We have met some wonderfully helpful (proper?) policemen in our 
travels.There was a very nice beat bobby in St.Ives who cheerfully showed us 
where to park and gave directions to the local chinese restaurant.  He even 
popped his head round the door to make sure we had got there OK. And another 
delightful Scots bobby who got us parked in Dumfries.

Unfortunately we have also met quite a few surly types as well.

:o)

"Hilary"  wrote in message 
news:f0uic6$nq2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:46325f79$0$97256$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> As 'METWO' points out, Sussex police are not very keen on dollies or "A" 
>> frames AIUI and will pull users of them if spotted - they don't even seem 
>> keen on their use as 'recovery tools'.
>>
>
> Its funny you can never find a policeman when you need them, yet they are 
> all over the place when you dont. Fortunately we wont be in Sussex for 
> much longer. lol!!
>
> We have met some wonderfully helpful (proper?) policemen in our 
> travels.There was a very nice beat bobby in St.Ives who cheerfully showed 
> us where to park and gave directions to the local chinese restaurant.  He 
> even popped his head round the door to make sure we had got there OK. And 
> another delightful Scots bobby who got us parked in Dumfries.
>
> Unfortunately we have also met quite a few surly types as well.
>
> :o)

Its not the Police you need to worry about, its the group that call them 
selves "Vossa" and if they pull you over and deem to be in the wrong they 
will just confiscate both car and Motorhome

Metwo

>
> Its not the Police you need to worry about, its the group that call them
> selves "Vossa" and if they pull you over and deem to be in the wrong they
> will just confiscate both car and Motorhome
>
> Metwo


Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.

I wasn't going to get involved in this old chesnut (again).... but on
behalf of the folks who like to see LOGICAL discussions (i.e. ones
that stick generally to the topic in hand without throwing in the odd
curve-ball ... which appear to add nothign except confusion, and
possibly in support of a slightly questionable viewpoint) can I point
out that (sic) "Vossa" ... have effectively got almost b*gger-all to
do with the question asked.  By the way the department of government
you are referring to is the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency
(VOSA). It provides a range of licensing, testing and enforcement
services with the aim of improving the roadworthiness standards of
mainly COMMERCIAL vehicles ensuring the compliance of TRUCK and BUS
operators and drivers, and supporting the independent Traffic
Commissioners.  They also administer the MOT/DoE testing stations.

As far as their 'alleged' powers of confiscation (alleged by METWO
that is) .. it might be worthwhile quoting from the Authority
themselves..

Enforcement and Compliance
(VOSA supports....) ... the Traffic Commissioners' to help them make
informed decision on: operator licensing; vocational drivers and bus
registration requirements; and, identifying operators against whom it
may be appropriate to take disciplinary action by gathering and
evaluating a range of data.
VOSA conduct routine and targeted checks on systems designed to check
compliance with other road traffic legislation (e.g. drivers' hours
and load weights), specialised inspections for premises storing and
vehicle transporting dangerous goods, perishable foodstuffs and goods
sealed or Custom purposes; at the roadside as and at the operators'
premises, which are also examined to ensure compliance. We also
approve applications from operators wanting to run lorries at
increased weights.
The agency administers Vocational Driver Conduct cases referred by the
Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, and, where vocational drivers
have committed non-endorsable road traffic offences. The compliance of
local bus operators with their registered timetables is also monitored
by VOSA.
(source... the Vehicle Operating and Standards Authority).

As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure the
safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.


Confiscation indeed ... ROFL


Ian

"ticktock"  wrote in message 
news:1177937623.805953.18150@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Its not the Police you need to worry about, its the group that call 
>> them
>> selves "Vossa" and if they pull you over and deem to be in the 
>> wrong they
>> will just confiscate both car and Motorhome
>>
>> Metwo
>
>
> Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.
>
> I wasn't going to get involved in this old chesnut (again).... but 
> on
> behalf of the folks who like to see LOGICAL discussions (i.e. ones
> that stick generally to the topic in hand without throwing in the 
> odd
> curve-ball ... which appear to add nothign except confusion, and
> possibly in support of a slightly questionable viewpoint) can I 
> point
> out that (sic) "Vossa" ... have effectively got almost b*gger-all to
> do with the question asked.

Well it wouldn't, would it, considering the question asked was about 
the supply of a 'A' frame rather than it's legality.....

 By the way the department of government
> you are referring to is the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency
> (VOSA). It provides a range of licensing, testing and enforcement
> services with the aim of improving the roadworthiness standards of
> mainly COMMERCIAL vehicles ensuring the compliance of TRUCK and BUS
> operators and drivers, and supporting the independent Traffic
> Commissioners.  They also administer the MOT/DoE testing stations.

If you bother to look back through the posting history of the OP you 
will notice that she is considering the purchase of a motor-home based 
on a 7.5t vehicle - they very much do come under VOSA *if* it's 
considered that the vehicle is not being used for recreational or 
personal purposes.

>
> As far as their 'alleged' powers of confiscation (alleged by METWO
> that is) .. it might be worthwhile quoting from the Authority
> themselves..
>
> Enforcement and Compliance
> (VOSA supports....) ... the Traffic Commissioners' to help them make
> informed decision on: operator licensing; vocational drivers and bus
> registration requirements; and, identifying operators against whom 
> it
> may be appropriate to take disciplinary action by gathering and
> evaluating a range of data.
> VOSA conduct routine and targeted checks on systems designed to 
> check
> compliance with other road traffic legislation (e.g. drivers' hours
> and load weights), specialised inspections for premises storing and
> vehicle transporting dangerous goods, perishable foodstuffs and 
> goods
> sealed or Custom purposes; at the roadside as and at the operators'
> premises, which are also examined to ensure compliance. We also
> approve applications from operators wanting to run lorries at
> increased weights.
> The agency administers Vocational Driver Conduct cases referred by 
> the
> Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, and, where vocational drivers
> have committed non-endorsable road traffic offences. The compliance 
> of
> local bus operators with their registered timetables is also 
> monitored
> by VOSA.
> (source... the Vehicle Operating and Standards Authority).
>
> As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure 
> the
> safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
> concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.
>
>
> Confiscation indeed ... ROFL
>

Perhaps but *Prohibition of use* is possible, meaning that the vehicle 
will either need to be repaired, left were it is or recovered until 
the problem causing the prohibition notice is sorted - AIUI it's 
vehicle weight that is the governing factor and not who owns it.

"ticktock"  wrote in message 
news:1177937623.805953.18150@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.

Thats why I stopped replying.  I was going to enlighten the gentleman and 
started typing a reply including a nice quotation of regulations and VOSA's 
actual powers from a leading truckers site. But then I decided I had better 
things to do. lol!


> As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure the
> safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
> concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.
>
>
> Confiscation indeed ... ROFL
>

I wasnt too worried.lol.  Anyone who thinks our "wagon" looks like a 
commercial vehicle has obviously had a few too many sherbets.

]:o)

We didnt go ahead with the US 32ft part exchange. It was very nice inside 
(few odds and ends needed tidying but nothing to worry about) and , and very 
nice people as well.  They were used to a fixed bed though and the 
difference between a US one and ours I think was a big problem - As you said 
once you've experienced that extra space and luxury its difficult to revert.

Our main problem was it had stood for quite some time, our mechanic mate was 
worried about some of the seals drying out and needing replacing, which 
wouldnt have been a problem if we were staying put for a while and had time 
to play with it.  So with the imminent move we had also decided to stay with 
the old faithful. I'm glad we went up to see it though if we hadnt it we 
would have always wondered.

We havent given up on the idea of a US one but will wait till the dust 
settles and I think we are looking for a 6.5 turbo diesel perhaps with a 
nice cummins pusher (hubby says I'm getting very boring now)?  Hes just 
tastefully (so we can put it back as standard) converted the space above the 
single bed to a full width shelf,  one of the under cupboards now has a cat 
flap in it, and we have just ordered the largest ultrabox on the market. 
Are we completely mad??? No need to answer I think I know already.

:o)

"Hilary"  wrote in message 
news:f0r3e4$5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Can anyone recommend a firm either fitting or supplying these in Sussex or 
> closest location/
>
> Thanks again.
>
> :o(


Hilary

Don't know if I am barking up the wrong tree, but

If you are thinking of towing a car behind a motorhome, it is ilegal, unless 
it is under 750Kgs (which there are not many)
'A' frames and Dollies

Q. What is a trailer?
A. A road vehicle, usually (but not necessarily) two wheeled, towed by a 
motor vehicle.Given the above dictionary definition, it is fairly clear that 
anything attached to the towball and having wheels in contact with the 
ground is a trailer. This includes cars on 'A' frames and dollies. Bearing 
in mind that the unbraked towing limit of 750 kgs refers to Maximum Gross 
Weight (i.e. the figure on the towed cars VIN plate) and not to actual 
weight, it severely restricts the options. The only cars I know of with a 
MGW of less than 750 kgs is the Aixam range. These are around 450 to 550 
kgs.

There are strict regulations on braked trailers and, whilst a braked 'A' 
frame attached to a towed car constitutes a braked trailer, it is not legal 
for transportation as it cannot comply with EC71/320. With car dollies, the 
situation is somewhat different. Under regulation 83 of the Road Vehicles 
(construction & Use) Regulations 1986 (SI.1986/1078) Amending Regulations, a 
car dolly, with a car in place, will be considered as two trailers. This is 
legal for recovery but, under the Road Traffic Regulations Act 1984 
(Schedule 6) the combination is limited to 40 mph on motorways and dual 
carriageways and 20 mph elsewhere.

Note that there is a very specific difference between recovery and 
transportation. Recovery is the removal of a broken down vehicle to a place 
of safety. It does not include removing a rotor arm (for instance) and 
travelling the length and breadth of the country. The police are well aware 
of the difference due to the regulations covering Tachographs and Operators 
Licences. Recovery vehicles are exempt.

It is well known that some countries in the EEC tend to overlook the 
regulations (the UK included) but some countries don't. The situation 
regarding enforcement could change at any time and, as a result, the only 
safe way to transport another vehicle behind a motorhome is on a car 
transporter trailer. Play safe! Don't take the risk!

The regulations which cover this aspect of towing are:-
91/438/EEC covers driving licences.
71/320/EEC covers auto reverse braking systems and couplings.
S.I. 1971 No 450 Part III covers the obstruction of number plates.
94/20/EEC covers type approval of towing equipment and 'S' and 'D' values.
95/48/EEC covers Masses and Dimensions of M1 class vehicles.
E.T.R.T.O. 1991 section 13 covers wheels and tyres.
BSAU 113c covers 50mm ball and coupling dimensions.
BSAU 24a (1989) covers eye couplings and pin/jaw arrangements.
98/12/EEC covers brake linings and will be implemented in the UK from 
1/4/01.And not strictly towing but applicable to motorhomes is EN1648-1 
covers extra low voltage installations in Leisure Vehicles and Caravans.

Metwo

"Hilary"  wrote in message 
news:f0r3e4$5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Can anyone recommend a firm either fitting or supplying these in 
> Sussex or closest location/
>

As 'METWO' points out, Sussex police are not very keen on dollies or 
"A" frames AIUI and will pull users of them if spotted - they don't 
even seem keen on their use as 'recovery tools'.

Perhaps the above is why you are having problems finding a 
supplier?....

"METWO"  wrote in message 
news:4631e570$0$70766$7b0f0fd3@mistral.news.newnet.co.uk...
>
> "Hilary"  wrote in message 
> news:f0r3e4$5d$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Can anyone recommend a firm either fitting or supplying these in Sussex 
>> or closest location/
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> :o(
>
>
> Hilary
>
> Don't know if I am barking up the wrong tree, but

Any input on the subject is gratefully received. So thanks for replying.

> If you are thinking of towing a car behind a motorhome, it is ilegal, 
> unless it is under 750Kgs (which there are not many)
> 'A' frames and Dollies
>

Its not an easy subject I know.  I have read the article before and it seems 
one big grey area, no two driving experts seem to agree. Its very much down 
to interpretation or put another way eventually someone will be procecuted 
and then the resulting court case/s will clarify the situation one way or 
another.  My understanding is that a braked a-frame moves it into a slightly 
different grey area. The police seem to be playing a watch and wait game, 
and only pulling the grossly overloaded or unsafe.

There are quite a few firms up and down the country doing the car-a-tow type 
which is somewhat more substantial than the fold up emergency types, but our 
nearest is in Poole and I was hoping to find someone nearer.  With the chaos 
of our impending move I was hoping to avoid loosing a hubby for the day 
while he takes the car down there.  As they are specifically made for each 
different model and they havent done an mg midget before they need to see it 
first.

:o)

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
news:46325f79$0$97256$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
> As 'METWO' points out, Sussex police are not very keen on dollies or "A" 
> frames AIUI and will pull users of them if spotted - they don't even seem 
> keen on their use as 'recovery tools'.
>

Its funny you can never find a policeman when you need them, yet they are 
all over the place when you dont. Fortunately we wont be in Sussex for much 
longer. lol!!

We have met some wonderfully helpful (proper?) policemen in our 
travels.There was a very nice beat bobby in St.Ives who cheerfully showed us 
where to park and gave directions to the local chinese restaurant.  He even 
popped his head round the door to make sure we had got there OK. And another 
delightful Scots bobby who got us parked in Dumfries.

Unfortunately we have also met quite a few surly types as well.

:o)

"Hilary"  wrote in message 
news:f0uic6$nq2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:46325f79$0$97256$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> As 'METWO' points out, Sussex police are not very keen on dollies or "A" 
>> frames AIUI and will pull users of them if spotted - they don't even seem 
>> keen on their use as 'recovery tools'.
>>
>
> Its funny you can never find a policeman when you need them, yet they are 
> all over the place when you dont. Fortunately we wont be in Sussex for 
> much longer. lol!!
>
> We have met some wonderfully helpful (proper?) policemen in our 
> travels.There was a very nice beat bobby in St.Ives who cheerfully showed 
> us where to park and gave directions to the local chinese restaurant.  He 
> even popped his head round the door to make sure we had got there OK. And 
> another delightful Scots bobby who got us parked in Dumfries.
>
> Unfortunately we have also met quite a few surly types as well.
>
> :o)

Its not the Police you need to worry about, its the group that call them 
selves "Vossa" and if they pull you over and deem to be in the wrong they 
will just confiscate both car and Motorhome

Metwo

>
> Its not the Police you need to worry about, its the group that call them
> selves "Vossa" and if they pull you over and deem to be in the wrong they
> will just confiscate both car and Motorhome
>
> Metwo


Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.

I wasn't going to get involved in this old chesnut (again).... but on
behalf of the folks who like to see LOGICAL discussions (i.e. ones
that stick generally to the topic in hand without throwing in the odd
curve-ball ... which appear to add nothign except confusion, and
possibly in support of a slightly questionable viewpoint) can I point
out that (sic) "Vossa" ... have effectively got almost b*gger-all to
do with the question asked.  By the way the department of government
you are referring to is the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency
(VOSA). It provides a range of licensing, testing and enforcement
services with the aim of improving the roadworthiness standards of
mainly COMMERCIAL vehicles ensuring the compliance of TRUCK and BUS
operators and drivers, and supporting the independent Traffic
Commissioners.  They also administer the MOT/DoE testing stations.

As far as their 'alleged' powers of confiscation (alleged by METWO
that is) .. it might be worthwhile quoting from the Authority
themselves..

Enforcement and Compliance
(VOSA supports....) ... the Traffic Commissioners' to help them make
informed decision on: operator licensing; vocational drivers and bus
registration requirements; and, identifying operators against whom it
may be appropriate to take disciplinary action by gathering and
evaluating a range of data.
VOSA conduct routine and targeted checks on systems designed to check
compliance with other road traffic legislation (e.g. drivers' hours
and load weights), specialised inspections for premises storing and
vehicle transporting dangerous goods, perishable foodstuffs and goods
sealed or Custom purposes; at the roadside as and at the operators'
premises, which are also examined to ensure compliance. We also
approve applications from operators wanting to run lorries at
increased weights.
The agency administers Vocational Driver Conduct cases referred by the
Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, and, where vocational drivers
have committed non-endorsable road traffic offences. The compliance of
local bus operators with their registered timetables is also monitored
by VOSA.
(source... the Vehicle Operating and Standards Authority).

As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure the
safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.


Confiscation indeed ... ROFL


Ian

"ticktock"  wrote in message 
news:1177937623.805953.18150@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Its not the Police you need to worry about, its the group that call 
>> them
>> selves "Vossa" and if they pull you over and deem to be in the 
>> wrong they
>> will just confiscate both car and Motorhome
>>
>> Metwo
>
>
> Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.
>
> I wasn't going to get involved in this old chesnut (again).... but 
> on
> behalf of the folks who like to see LOGICAL discussions (i.e. ones
> that stick generally to the topic in hand without throwing in the 
> odd
> curve-ball ... which appear to add nothign except confusion, and
> possibly in support of a slightly questionable viewpoint) can I 
> point
> out that (sic) "Vossa" ... have effectively got almost b*gger-all to
> do with the question asked.

Well it wouldn't, would it, considering the question asked was about 
the supply of a 'A' frame rather than it's legality.....

 By the way the department of government
> you are referring to is the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency
> (VOSA). It provides a range of licensing, testing and enforcement
> services with the aim of improving the roadworthiness standards of
> mainly COMMERCIAL vehicles ensuring the compliance of TRUCK and BUS
> operators and drivers, and supporting the independent Traffic
> Commissioners.  They also administer the MOT/DoE testing stations.

If you bother to look back through the posting history of the OP you 
will notice that she is considering the purchase of a motor-home based 
on a 7.5t vehicle - they very much do come under VOSA *if* it's 
considered that the vehicle is not being used for recreational or 
personal purposes.

>
> As far as their 'alleged' powers of confiscation (alleged by METWO
> that is) .. it might be worthwhile quoting from the Authority
> themselves..
>
> Enforcement and Compliance
> (VOSA supports....) ... the Traffic Commissioners' to help them make
> informed decision on: operator licensing; vocational drivers and bus
> registration requirements; and, identifying operators against whom 
> it
> may be appropriate to take disciplinary action by gathering and
> evaluating a range of data.
> VOSA conduct routine and targeted checks on systems designed to 
> check
> compliance with other road traffic legislation (e.g. drivers' hours
> and load weights), specialised inspections for premises storing and
> vehicle transporting dangerous goods, perishable foodstuffs and 
> goods
> sealed or Custom purposes; at the roadside as and at the operators'
> premises, which are also examined to ensure compliance. We also
> approve applications from operators wanting to run lorries at
> increased weights.
> The agency administers Vocational Driver Conduct cases referred by 
> the
> Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, and, where vocational drivers
> have committed non-endorsable road traffic offences. The compliance 
> of
> local bus operators with their registered timetables is also 
> monitored
> by VOSA.
> (source... the Vehicle Operating and Standards Authority).
>
> As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure 
> the
> safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
> concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.
>
>
> Confiscation indeed ... ROFL
>

Perhaps but *Prohibition of use* is possible, meaning that the vehicle 
will either need to be repaired, left were it is or recovered until 
the problem causing the prohibition notice is sorted - AIUI it's 
vehicle weight that is the governing factor and not who owns it.

"ticktock"  wrote in message 
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>
>
>
> Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.

Thats why I stopped replying.  I was going to enlighten the gentleman and 
started typing a reply including a nice quotation of regulations and VOSA's 
actual powers from a leading truckers site. But then I decided I had better 
things to do. lol!


> As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure the
> safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
> concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.
>
>
> Confiscation indeed ... ROFL
>

I wasnt too worried.lol.  Anyone who thinks our "wagon" looks like a 
commercial vehicle has obviously had a few too many sherbets.

]:o)

We didnt go ahead with the US 32ft part exchange. It was very nice inside 
(few odds and ends needed tidying but nothing to worry about) and , and very 
nice people as well.  They were used to a fixed bed though and the 
difference between a US one and ours I think was a big problem - As you said 
once you've experienced that extra space and luxury its difficult to revert.

Our main problem was it had stood for quite some time, our mechanic mate was 
worried about some of the seals drying out and needing replacing, which 
wouldnt have been a problem if we were staying put for a while and had time 
to play with it.  So with the imminent move we had also decided to stay with 
the old faithful. I'm glad we went up to see it though if we hadnt it we 
would have always wondered.

We havent given up on the idea of a US one but will wait till the dust 
settles and I think we are looking for a 6.5 turbo diesel perhaps with a 
nice cummins pusher (hubby says I'm getting very boring now)?  Hes just 
tastefully (so we can put it back as standard) converted the space above the 
single bed to a full width shelf,  one of the under cupboards now has a cat 
flap in it, and we have just ordered the largest ultrabox on the market. 
Are we completely mad??? No need to answer I think I know already.

:o)

>
> Its not the Police you need to worry about, its the group that call them
> selves "Vossa" and if they pull you over and deem to be in the wrong they
> will just confiscate both car and Motorhome
>
> Metwo


Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.

I wasn't going to get involved in this old chesnut (again).... but on
behalf of the folks who like to see LOGICAL discussions (i.e. ones
that stick generally to the topic in hand without throwing in the odd
curve-ball ... which appear to add nothign except confusion, and
possibly in support of a slightly questionable viewpoint) can I point
out that (sic) "Vossa" ... have effectively got almost b*gger-all to
do with the question asked.  By the way the department of government
you are referring to is the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency
(VOSA). It provides a range of licensing, testing and enforcement
services with the aim of improving the roadworthiness standards of
mainly COMMERCIAL vehicles ensuring the compliance of TRUCK and BUS
operators and drivers, and supporting the independent Traffic
Commissioners.  They also administer the MOT/DoE testing stations.

As far as their 'alleged' powers of confiscation (alleged by METWO
that is) .. it might be worthwhile quoting from the Authority
themselves..

Enforcement and Compliance
(VOSA supports....) ... the Traffic Commissioners' to help them make
informed decision on: operator licensing; vocational drivers and bus
registration requirements; and, identifying operators against whom it
may be appropriate to take disciplinary action by gathering and
evaluating a range of data.
VOSA conduct routine and targeted checks on systems designed to check
compliance with other road traffic legislation (e.g. drivers' hours
and load weights), specialised inspections for premises storing and
vehicle transporting dangerous goods, perishable foodstuffs and goods
sealed or Custom purposes; at the roadside as and at the operators'
premises, which are also examined to ensure compliance. We also
approve applications from operators wanting to run lorries at
increased weights.
The agency administers Vocational Driver Conduct cases referred by the
Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, and, where vocational drivers
have committed non-endorsable road traffic offences. The compliance of
local bus operators with their registered timetables is also monitored
by VOSA.
(source... the Vehicle Operating and Standards Authority).

As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure the
safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.


Confiscation indeed ... ROFL


Ian

"ticktock"  wrote in message 
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>
>>
>> Its not the Police you need to worry about, its the group that call 
>> them
>> selves "Vossa" and if they pull you over and deem to be in the 
>> wrong they
>> will just confiscate both car and Motorhome
>>
>> Metwo
>
>
> Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.
>
> I wasn't going to get involved in this old chesnut (again).... but 
> on
> behalf of the folks who like to see LOGICAL discussions (i.e. ones
> that stick generally to the topic in hand without throwing in the 
> odd
> curve-ball ... which appear to add nothign except confusion, and
> possibly in support of a slightly questionable viewpoint) can I 
> point
> out that (sic) "Vossa" ... have effectively got almost b*gger-all to
> do with the question asked.

Well it wouldn't, would it, considering the question asked was about 
the supply of a 'A' frame rather than it's legality.....

 By the way the department of government
> you are referring to is the Vehicle and Operator Services Agency
> (VOSA). It provides a range of licensing, testing and enforcement
> services with the aim of improving the roadworthiness standards of
> mainly COMMERCIAL vehicles ensuring the compliance of TRUCK and BUS
> operators and drivers, and supporting the independent Traffic
> Commissioners.  They also administer the MOT/DoE testing stations.

If you bother to look back through the posting history of the OP you 
will notice that she is considering the purchase of a motor-home based 
on a 7.5t vehicle - they very much do come under VOSA *if* it's 
considered that the vehicle is not being used for recreational or 
personal purposes.

>
> As far as their 'alleged' powers of confiscation (alleged by METWO
> that is) .. it might be worthwhile quoting from the Authority
> themselves..
>
> Enforcement and Compliance
> (VOSA supports....) ... the Traffic Commissioners' to help them make
> informed decision on: operator licensing; vocational drivers and bus
> registration requirements; and, identifying operators against whom 
> it
> may be appropriate to take disciplinary action by gathering and
> evaluating a range of data.
> VOSA conduct routine and targeted checks on systems designed to 
> check
> compliance with other road traffic legislation (e.g. drivers' hours
> and load weights), specialised inspections for premises storing and
> vehicle transporting dangerous goods, perishable foodstuffs and 
> goods
> sealed or Custom purposes; at the roadside as and at the operators'
> premises, which are also examined to ensure compliance. We also
> approve applications from operators wanting to run lorries at
> increased weights.
> The agency administers Vocational Driver Conduct cases referred by 
> the
> Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, and, where vocational drivers
> have committed non-endorsable road traffic offences. The compliance 
> of
> local bus operators with their registered timetables is also 
> monitored
> by VOSA.
> (source... the Vehicle Operating and Standards Authority).
>
> As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure 
> the
> safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
> concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.
>
>
> Confiscation indeed ... ROFL
>

Perhaps but *Prohibition of use* is possible, meaning that the vehicle 
will either need to be repaired, left were it is or recovered until 
the problem causing the prohibition notice is sorted - AIUI it's 
vehicle weight that is the governing factor and not who owns it.

"ticktock"  wrote in message 
news:1177937623.805953.18150@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> Oh dear.... I knew I shouldn't have kept reading this thread.

Thats why I stopped replying.  I was going to enlighten the gentleman and 
started typing a reply including a nice quotation of regulations and VOSA's 
actual powers from a leading truckers site. But then I decided I had better 
things to do. lol!


> As is plain for all to see VOSA's primary aim in life is to ensure the
> safe and licensed operation of COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.   As far as your
> concerned Hilary... you can forget about them.
>
>
> Confiscation indeed ... ROFL
>

I wasnt too worried.lol.  Anyone who thinks our "wagon" looks like a 
commercial vehicle has obviously had a few too many sherbets.

]:o)

We didnt go ahead with the US 32ft part exchange. It was very nice inside 
(few odds and ends needed tidying but nothing to worry about) and , and very 
nice people as well.  They were used to a fixed bed though and the 
difference between a US one and ours I think was a big problem - As you said 
once you've experienced that extra space and luxury its difficult to revert.

Our main problem was it had stood for quite some time, our mechanic mate was 
worried about some of the seals drying out and needing replacing, which 
wouldnt have been a problem if we were staying put for a while and had time 
to play with it.  So with the imminent move we had also decided to stay with 
the old faithful. I'm glad we went up to see it though if we hadnt it we 
would have always wondered.

We havent given up on the idea of a US one but will wait till the dust 
settles and I think we are looking for a 6.5 turbo diesel perhaps with a 
nice cummins pusher (hubby says I'm getting very boring now)?  Hes just 
tastefully (so we can put it back as standard) converted the space above the 
single bed to a full width shelf,  one of the under cupboards now has a cat 
flap in it, and we have just ordered the largest ultrabox on the market. 
Are we completely mad??? No need to answer I think I know already.

:o)