Ive got some tempest holographic sand eels. I'd like to try them for 
pollock. They are rubber, with no hook. Obviously I must add a hook and 
swivel to these. Can anyone tell me how to rig these up? Or to point me to a 
website with some information on using them.
Thanks
Ian

In article <QXnWj.25435$j7.469379@news.indigo.ie>, Ian
<URL:mailto:ianplatt@indigo.ie> wrote:
> Ive got some tempest holographic sand eels. I'd like to try them for 
> pollock. They are rubber, with no hook. Obviously I must add a hook and 
> swivel to these. Can anyone tell me how to rig these up? Or to point me to a 
> website with some information on using them.

Cut your trace length, tie on hook.  Push free end through sandeel and out
of 'mouth', pull hook up into eel (the length of the hook's shank should
have been chosen so that the knot is now protected by the rubber body), tie
on swivel and store as usual.

Cheerio,

-- 
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 16:12:58 +0100, "Ian"  wrote:

>Thanks Derek.

Don't listen to moody Moody he's just spent sixteen hours adrift in
his charter wreck with yet another engine breakdown. Still I s'pose it
beats the nervous breakdowns he usually suffers, which means we the
taxpayer must fund his benefits.

Why do people still pay to go on that tub?

>"Derek Moody"  wrote in message 
>news:ant1406271cbBxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
>> In article <QXnWj.25435$j7.469379@news.indigo.ie>, Ian
>> <URL:mailto:ianplatt@indigo.ie> wrote:
>>> Ive got some tempest holographic sand eels. I'd like to try them for
>>> pollock. They are rubber, with no hook. Obviously I must add a hook and
>>> swivel to these. Can anyone tell me how to rig these up? Or to point me 
>>> to a
>>> website with some information on using them.
>>
>> Cut your trace length, tie on hook.  Push free end through sandeel and out
>> of 'mouth', pull hook up into eel (the length of the hook's shank should
>> have been chosen so that the knot is now protected by the rubber body), 
>> tie
>> on swivel and store as usual.
>>
>> Cheerio,
>>
>> -- 
>>  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
>>  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
>>  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
>>            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/
>>

Thanks Derek.I take it that I should rig it so that the hook is about 2/3
down the body of the lure, as most rubber eels.
And as most rubber eel type lures  have a long twisted shank to the hook, to
impart a realistic movement when trolling, this lure does not need that
bend?
Ian
"Derek Moody"  wrote in message 
news:ant1406271cbBxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> In article <QXnWj.25435$j7.469379@news.indigo.ie>, Ian
> <URL:mailto:ianplatt@indigo.ie> wrote:
>> Ive got some tempest holographic sand eels. I'd like to try them for
>> pollock. They are rubber, with no hook. Obviously I must add a hook and
>> swivel to these. Can anyone tell me how to rig these up? Or to point me 
>> to a
>> website with some information on using them.
>
> Cut your trace length, tie on hook.  Push free end through sandeel and out
> of 'mouth', pull hook up into eel (the length of the hook's shank should
> have been chosen so that the knot is now protected by the rubber body), 
> tie
> on swivel and store as usual.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> -- 
>  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
>  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
>  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
>            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/
>

In article , Old Codger
<URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
 ( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)

Pete,

> Don't listen to moody Moody he's just spent sixteen hours adrift in
> his charter wreck with yet another engine breakdown. Still I s'pose it

Please tell us where you read the reports of my nautical misadventures. 
Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the url's of the  CG, RNLI and
Admiralty reports?

They must make fascinating reading.

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:04:17 +0100, Derek Moody
 wrote:

>In article , Old Codger
><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
> ( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
>
>Pete,
>
>> Don't listen to moody Moody he's just spent sixteen hours adrift in
>> his charter wreck with yet another engine breakdown. Still I s'pose it
>
>Please tell us where you read the reports of my nautical misadventures. 

From the victims who were stupid enough to charter you!

>Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the url's of the  CG, RNLI and
>Admiralty reports?

27 breakdowns in three years and four rescues due to incompetence and
"VESSEL, UNSEAWORTHY - If the vessel, or any of its parts or
equipment, is not reasonably fit for its intended purpose or if its
crew is not reasonably adequate or competent to perform the work
assigned" ensure the rescue agencies now treat you with the contempt
you deserve and will no longer attend. Which is yet another reason for
people to avoid going out to sea with you.

Even the duck in your filthy bathwater sunk to the bottom!

List of incompetence

Refusal to use folding fillet knives and insisting it's safe to use  a
fixed blade filleting knife on a seagoing boat.

Insufficient floatsuits and life jackets for the number of people on
the overloaded charter vessel.

Frequent unnecessary cancellations of charter

unreliable engine and radio systems for charter. Both illegal and
dangerous. You cannot charter boats on a private individual licence.
Which also means, even if you had it, that public liability insurance
is invalid.

the list goes on.

In article <6qYWj.25448$j7.469367@news.indigo.ie>, Ian
<URL:mailto:ianplatt@indigo.ie> wrote:
> Thanks Derek.I take it that I should rig it so that the hook is about 2/3

Yes, or maybe not even that much, predators will attempt to take them by the
head.

> down the body of the lure, as most rubber eels.
> And as most rubber eel type lures  have a long twisted shank to the hook, to
> impart a realistic movement when trolling, this lure does not need that

Are they the ones I think they are - actually a small rubber eel rather than
a sandeel, moulded with a swimming curve in the body?

If so, the body straightens a little with the pull and then springs back to
the curve. iIf you get the pull right the change in resistance sets up a
harmonic motion and for the few moments in which a fish must decide whether
to attack it must approximate a swimming movement fairly well.

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

In article , Old Codger
<URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:

( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:04:17 +0100, Derek Moody
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article , Old Codger
> ><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
> > ( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
> >
> >Pete,
> >
> >> Don't listen to moody Moody he's just spent sixteen hours adrift in
> >> his charter wreck with yet another engine breakdown. Still I s'pose it
> >
> >Please tell us where you read the reports of my nautical misadventures. 
> 
> From the victims who were stupid enough to charter you!
> 
> >Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the url's of the  CG, RNLI and
> >Admiralty reports?
> 
> 27 breakdowns in three years and four rescues due to incompetence and

So that's 27 RNLI shout-report URLs Pete - clearly you wouldn't trust -me-
to list them, perhaps you had better do so?

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:15:58 +0100, Derek Moody
 wrote:

>In article , Old Codger
><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>
>( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:04:17 +0100, Derek Moody
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >In article , Old Codger
>> ><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>> > ( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
>> >
>> >Pete,
>> >
>> >> Don't listen to moody Moody he's just spent sixteen hours adrift in
>> >> his charter wreck with yet another engine breakdown. Still I s'pose it
>> >
>> >Please tell us where you read the reports of my nautical misadventures. 
>> 
>> From the victims who were stupid enough to charter you!
>> 
>> >Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the url's of the  CG, RNLI and
>> >Admiralty reports?
>> 
>> 27 breakdowns in three years and four rescues due to incompetence and
>
>So that's 27 RNLI shout-report URLs 

Even you are not stupid enough to call them out any more. Which
endangers your clients even more than usual. Waiting for a salty old
sea dog friend to come past in his fishing boat is hardly recommended
rescue procedure even if he does have a long tow rope. Keep it up and
they'll soon be having you swinging from the yard arm!

>- clearly you wouldn't trust -me-
>to list them, perhaps you had better do so?

Like your criminal record the information is not available due to data
protection legislation. Especially as two of the most recent events
have resulted in your prosecution for A: RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING
ANOTHER PERSON. (Loss or Destruction of a Vessel). B:  RECKLESSLY
ENDANGERING ANOTHER VESSEL. (Loss or Destruction of a Vessel). And
it's not the first time you have been found guilty and in one case the
wreck, sorry, vessel was confiscated and destroyed.

Not to be confused with your pathetic attempts at optional rescue
services disclosures to promote the rescue services. I doubt rescuing
a dirty old man on a wreck with 16 gnomes prepared to pay charter fees
is headline news especially when you failed to get 1km off the coast!

In article , Old Codger
<URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:

( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)

> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:15:58 +0100, Derek Moody
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article , Old Codger
> ><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
> >
> >( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
> >
> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:04:17 +0100, Derek Moody
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >In article , Old Codger
> >> ><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
> >> > ( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
> >> >
> >> >Pete,
> >> >
> >> >> Don't listen to moody Moody he's just spent sixteen hours adrift in
> >> >> his charter wreck with yet another engine breakdown. Still I s'pose it
> >> >
> >> >Please tell us where you read the reports of my nautical misadventures. 
> >> 
> >> From the victims who were stupid enough to charter you!
> >> 
> >> >Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the url's of the  CG, RNLI and
> >> >Admiralty reports?
> >> 
> >> 27 breakdowns in three years and four rescues due to incompetence and
> >
> >So that's 27 RNLI shout-report URLs 
> 
> Even you are not stupid enough to call them out any more. Which

Go-on, not even one or two URL's?

> >- clearly you wouldn't trust -me-
> >to list them, perhaps you had better do so?
> 
> Like your criminal record the information is not available due to data

But the court reports are a matter of public record.  They're meat and drink
to the regional press. I dare say you have the URL's logged?

> protection legislation. Especially as two of the most recent events
> have resulted in your prosecution for A: RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING
> ANOTHER PERSON. (Loss or Destruction of a Vessel). B:  RECKLESSLY
> ENDANGERING ANOTHER VESSEL. (Loss or Destruction of a Vessel). And
> it's not the first time you have been found guilty and in one case the
> wreck, sorry, vessel was confiscated and destroyed.

So those will be in the Admiralty Court's index of cases.  Perhaps you could
point it out?

> Not to be confused with your pathetic attempts at optional rescue
> services disclosures to promote the rescue services. I doubt rescuing
> a dirty old man on a wreck with 16 gnomes prepared to pay charter fees
> is headline news especially when you failed to get 1km off the coast!

It must have been for you to hear of it.  I'm sure everyone would love to
see the original report - you do have the url for that one at least?

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

On Fri, 16 May 2008 21:17:52 +0100, Derek Moody
 wrote:

>In article , Old Codger
><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>
>( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
>
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:15:58 +0100, Derek Moody
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >In article , Old Codger
>> ><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:04:17 +0100, Derek Moody
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >In article , Old Codger
>> >> ><URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:
>> >> > ( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)
>> >> >
>> >> >Pete,
>> >> >
>> >> >> Don't listen to moody Moody he's just spent sixteen hours adrift in
>> >> >> his charter wreck with yet another engine breakdown. Still I s'pose it
>> >> >
>> >> >Please tell us where you read the reports of my nautical misadventures. 
>> >> 
>> >> From the victims who were stupid enough to charter you!
>> >> 
>> >> >Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the url's of the  CG, RNLI and
>> >> >Admiralty reports?
>> >> 
>> >> 27 breakdowns in three years and four rescues due to incompetence and
>> >
>> >So that's 27 RNLI shout-report URLs 
>> 
>> Even you are not stupid enough to call them out any more. Which
>
>Go-on, not even one or two URL's?
>
>> >- clearly you wouldn't trust -me-
>> >to list them, perhaps you had better do so?
>> 
>> Like your criminal record the information is not available due to data
>
>But the court reports are a matter of public record.  They're meat and drink
>to the regional press. I dare say you have the URL's logged?

The only press reports I can see about you are here
http://tinyurl.com/6nt7jk  but as only o.ooo1% of crimes reach the
papers you're lucky.

>
>> protection legislation. Especially as two of the most recent events
>> have resulted in your prosecution for A: RECKLESSLY ENDANGERING
>> ANOTHER PERSON. (Loss or Destruction of a Vessel). B:  RECKLESSLY
>> ENDANGERING ANOTHER VESSEL. (Loss or Destruction of a Vessel). And
>> it's not the first time you have been found guilty and in one case the
>> wreck, sorry, vessel was confiscated and destroyed.
>
>So those will be in the Admiralty Court's index of cases.  Perhaps you could
>point it out?

Stop bluffing Moody. I doubt anyone is stupid enough to fall for your
silly diversionary tactics.

>> Not to be confused with your pathetic attempts at optional rescue
>> services disclosures to promote the rescue services. I doubt rescuing
>> a dirty old man on a wreck with 16 gnomes prepared to pay charter fees
>> is headline news especially when you failed to get 1km off the coast!
>
>It must have been for you to hear of it.  I'm sure everyone would love to
>see the original report - you do have the url for that one at least?

Lets just say I have an inside source close to your seedy little
lifestyle.

People can make their own minds up about you.

OK Derek, Many thanks for your help. I'll be trying these out at the weekend 
here near Kinsale.
It really is a pity that so many newsgroups now have a resident mischief 
maker. I believe the best way to deal with it is to make absolutely no 
comment, regardless to how inflamatory the posts are.  See 
http://wilko.webzone.ru/troll.html
Thanks again
Ian

"Derek Moody"  wrote in message 
news:ant160759d07BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> In article <6qYWj.25448$j7.469367@news.indigo.ie>, Ian
> <URL:mailto:ianplatt@indigo.ie> wrote:
>> Thanks Derek.I take it that I should rig it so that the hook is about 2/3
>
> Yes, or maybe not even that much, predators will attempt to take them by 
> the
> head.
>
>> down the body of the lure, as most rubber eels.
>> And as most rubber eel type lures  have a long twisted shank to the hook, 
>> to
>> impart a realistic movement when trolling, this lure does not need that
>
> Are they the ones I think they are - actually a small rubber eel rather 
> than
> a sandeel, moulded with a swimming curve in the body?
>
> If so, the body straightens a little with the pull and then springs back 
> to
> the curve. iIf you get the pull right the change in resistance sets up a
> harmonic motion and for the few moments in which a fish must decide 
> whether
> to attack it must approximate a swimming movement fairly well.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> -- 
>  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
>  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
>  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
>            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/
>

On Fri, 16 May 2008 21:06:00 +0100, "Ian"  wrote:

>OK Derek, Many thanks for your help. I'll be trying these out at the weekend 
>here near Kinsale.
>It really is a pity that so many newsgroups now have a resident mischief 
>maker. I believe the best way to deal with it is to make absolutely no 
>comment, regardless to how inflamatory the posts are.  See 
>http://wilko.webzone.ru/troll.html
>Thanks again
>Ian

Better off looking at the url that deals with moody the bully and pro
hunt troll then you gnome!
http://tinyurl.com/6m9qds

http://tinyurl.com/59p43q

A classic case of him reaping what he sows I guess. Mind you he does
try hard to keep his bullyboy trolling out of the gnome groups, but we
like to give as good as we get so you get to benefit as well.


>
>"Derek Moody"  wrote in message 
>news:ant160759d07BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
>> In article <6qYWj.25448$j7.469367@news.indigo.ie>, Ian
>> <URL:mailto:ianplatt@indigo.ie> wrote:
>>> Thanks Derek.I take it that I should rig it so that the hook is about 2/3
>>
>> Yes, or maybe not even that much, predators will attempt to take them by 
>> the
>> head.
>>
>>> down the body of the lure, as most rubber eels.
>>> And as most rubber eel type lures  have a long twisted shank to the hook, 
>>> to
>>> impart a realistic movement when trolling, this lure does not need that
>>
>> Are they the ones I think they are - actually a small rubber eel rather 
>> than
>> a sandeel, moulded with a swimming curve in the body?
>>
>> If so, the body straightens a little with the pull and then springs back 
>> to
>> the curve. iIf you get the pull right the change in resistance sets up a
>> harmonic motion and for the few moments in which a fish must decide 
>> whether
>> to attack it must approximate a swimming movement fairly well.
>>
>> Cheerio,
>>
>> -- 
>>  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
>>  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
>>  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
>>            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/
>>

In article <NOlXj.25463$j7.469371@news.indigo.ie>, Ian
<URL:mailto:ianplatt@indigo.ie> wrote:
> OK Derek, Many thanks for your help. I'll be trying these out at the weekend 
> here near Kinsale.
> It really is a pity that so many newsgroups now have a resident mischief 
> maker. I believe the best way to deal with it is to make absolutely no 
> comment, regardless to how inflamatory the posts are.  See 

I hadn't noticed that urfs was in the X-post, sloppy of me.  Pete is a long
time troll, it appears to be his only hobby.

Cheerio,

-- 
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  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

In article , Old Codger
<URL:mailto:oldcodger@anyoldwhere.net> wrote:

( Not the real Old Codger, Pete the Troll is forging headers.)

> >> >> 27 breakdowns in three years and four rescues due to incompetence and

> >> Like your criminal record the information is not available due to data
> >
> >But the court reports are a matter of public record.  They're meat and drink
> >to the regional press. I dare say you have the URL's logged?
> 
> The only press reports I can see about you are here
> http://tinyurl.com/6nt7jk  but as only o.ooo1% of crimes reach the
> papers you're lucky.


So I've had all those breakdowns and rescues whilst serving a life sentence? 
I must be unique.


> >So those will be in the Admiralty Court's index of cases.  Perhaps you could
> >point it out?
> 
> Stop bluffing Moody. I doubt anyone is stupid enough to fall for your
> silly diversionary tactics.

> Lets just say I have an inside source close to your seedy little
> lifestyle.
> 
> People can make their own minds up about you.

Sure.  And you.

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/