Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about why 
my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on a 
cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or three 
times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind from 
the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather than 
just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting this 
frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
pike-lure sized spinner.

Cheers for any advice!

"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

I would simply suggest you change a fixed spool until you get the hang of 
it. IMHO spinning with a multiplier reel is more for the US anglers and 
their more forgiving weather.

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam.invalid.nospam@.MISSING-HOST-NAME.> wrote:
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about why 
> my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on a 
> cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or three 
> times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind from 
> the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather than 
> just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting this 
> frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.

If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps of
seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
allows the reel to turn for too long.

If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if the
line is wound on under minimal tension.

Hmmmm... 

Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look to
your swivels.

Hth. Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
> of
> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>
> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
> the
> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>
> Hmmmm...
>
> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
> to
> your swivels.
>
> Hth. Cheerio,

Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).

I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.

I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
knack of sea casting).

Cheers!

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
> with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
> 
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
> more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
> knack of sea casting).

It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for distance
and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
> especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
> tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
> are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for 
> distance
> and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
any bites...

Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
the place you go to to catch?

Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
matter much?

Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
close to the shore at high tide?

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
> been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
> any bites...

With this unseasonably warm weather I'm thinking maybe I ought to go try
for the first bass of the season rsn...  And the three year pollack should
be inshore any day now too.

> Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
> get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
> the place you go to to catch?

You fish wherever a predator might expect to find a meal - until this years
fry hatch that will be in fast channels, around rocks and among graunch - at
dusk try spinning -just- above the kelp.  In daylight work over drop-offs.
At first light scurry your lure between scattered patches of graunch - where
the odd tiddler might have lingered a little too long. 

> Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
> matter much?

Every venue has its own pattern. In general fish will only come -really-
shallow on a rising tide but back off into postition to catch runoff streams
as the tide drops.

> Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
> three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
> impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Roughly whereabouts are you - there may be someone here with local knowledge.

> Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
> fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
> you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
> close to the shore at high tide? 

First option along the south and west coasts is a floating plug on a rising
tide at -first- light.   In daylight you could do worse than floatfish
between a metre down and the bottom using light floats - chubber for eg. or a
big freshwater slider.

And you can groundbait in the sea too - see:

http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/bait/scroff1.html

Yes - you *can* spin over groundbait.

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

Hiya mate,

Have a look at http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/ you'll find loads of 
info there

-- 

Martyn
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

Hi,

When I began shore fishing with a fixed spool reel as a beginner last year I 
just 'guessed' how to cast. Bad idea!. I too had a load of birds nest on my 
reel. It wasn't until my local tackle shop showed me how to do it that I 
realized I was doing it all wrong.

Here's how to do it:

When casting with a fixed spool reel, you need to hold the line tight under 
your index finger, then OPEN the bail arm. This is the bit of metal that 
guides the line onto the spool. You then cast, releasing the line during the 
chuck. The line will fly off the spool. During the cast, you can control how 
much line is released by using your index finger again. Once the cast is 
complete, you can close the bail arm and fish.

Here's how NOT to do it :-)

Adjust the clutch on the reel so that you can pull line off with no problem. 
Cast. Tidy up the mess.

Regards,

Simon Mc

Anyway, you may be doing it this way already. But if you're not, it may be 
useful to know :-)
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:pLOdnZQR5fpjlK_bnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@bt.com...
>> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
>> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - 
>> cue
>> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
>> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
>> of
>> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
>> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
>> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>>
>> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
>> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
>> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
>> the
>> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>>
>> Hmmmm...
>>
>> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
>> to
>> your swivels.
>>
>> Hth. Cheerio,
>
> Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
> since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
> to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).
>
> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, 
> perhaps with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
>
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so 
> cast more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up 
> the knack of sea casting).
>
> Cheers!
>

"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

I would simply suggest you change a fixed spool until you get the hang of 
it. IMHO spinning with a multiplier reel is more for the US anglers and 
their more forgiving weather.

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam.invalid.nospam@.MISSING-HOST-NAME.> wrote:
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about why 
> my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on a 
> cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or three 
> times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind from 
> the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather than 
> just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting this 
> frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.

If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps of
seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
allows the reel to turn for too long.

If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if the
line is wound on under minimal tension.

Hmmmm... 

Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look to
your swivels.

Hth. Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
> of
> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>
> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
> the
> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>
> Hmmmm...
>
> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
> to
> your swivels.
>
> Hth. Cheerio,

Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).

I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.

I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
knack of sea casting).

Cheers!

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
> with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
> 
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
> more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
> knack of sea casting).

It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for distance
and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
> especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
> tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
> are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for 
> distance
> and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
any bites...

Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
the place you go to to catch?

Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
matter much?

Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
close to the shore at high tide?

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
> been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
> any bites...

With this unseasonably warm weather I'm thinking maybe I ought to go try
for the first bass of the season rsn...  And the three year pollack should
be inshore any day now too.

> Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
> get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
> the place you go to to catch?

You fish wherever a predator might expect to find a meal - until this years
fry hatch that will be in fast channels, around rocks and among graunch - at
dusk try spinning -just- above the kelp.  In daylight work over drop-offs.
At first light scurry your lure between scattered patches of graunch - where
the odd tiddler might have lingered a little too long. 

> Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
> matter much?

Every venue has its own pattern. In general fish will only come -really-
shallow on a rising tide but back off into postition to catch runoff streams
as the tide drops.

> Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
> three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
> impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Roughly whereabouts are you - there may be someone here with local knowledge.

> Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
> fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
> you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
> close to the shore at high tide? 

First option along the south and west coasts is a floating plug on a rising
tide at -first- light.   In daylight you could do worse than floatfish
between a metre down and the bottom using light floats - chubber for eg. or a
big freshwater slider.

And you can groundbait in the sea too - see:

http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/bait/scroff1.html

Yes - you *can* spin over groundbait.

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

Hiya mate,

Have a look at http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/ you'll find loads of 
info there

-- 

Martyn
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

Hi,

When I began shore fishing with a fixed spool reel as a beginner last year I 
just 'guessed' how to cast. Bad idea!. I too had a load of birds nest on my 
reel. It wasn't until my local tackle shop showed me how to do it that I 
realized I was doing it all wrong.

Here's how to do it:

When casting with a fixed spool reel, you need to hold the line tight under 
your index finger, then OPEN the bail arm. This is the bit of metal that 
guides the line onto the spool. You then cast, releasing the line during the 
chuck. The line will fly off the spool. During the cast, you can control how 
much line is released by using your index finger again. Once the cast is 
complete, you can close the bail arm and fish.

Here's how NOT to do it :-)

Adjust the clutch on the reel so that you can pull line off with no problem. 
Cast. Tidy up the mess.

Regards,

Simon Mc

Anyway, you may be doing it this way already. But if you're not, it may be 
useful to know :-)
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:pLOdnZQR5fpjlK_bnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@bt.com...
>> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
>> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - 
>> cue
>> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
>> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
>> of
>> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
>> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
>> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>>
>> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
>> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
>> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
>> the
>> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>>
>> Hmmmm...
>>
>> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
>> to
>> your swivels.
>>
>> Hth. Cheerio,
>
> Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
> since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
> to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).
>
> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, 
> perhaps with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
>
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so 
> cast more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up 
> the knack of sea casting).
>
> Cheers!
>

"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

I would simply suggest you change a fixed spool until you get the hang of 
it. IMHO spinning with a multiplier reel is more for the US anglers and 
their more forgiving weather.

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam.invalid.nospam@.MISSING-HOST-NAME.> wrote:
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about why 
> my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on a 
> cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or three 
> times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind from 
> the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather than 
> just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting this 
> frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.

If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps of
seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
allows the reel to turn for too long.

If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if the
line is wound on under minimal tension.

Hmmmm... 

Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look to
your swivels.

Hth. Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
> of
> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>
> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
> the
> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>
> Hmmmm...
>
> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
> to
> your swivels.
>
> Hth. Cheerio,

Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).

I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.

I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
knack of sea casting).

Cheers!

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
> with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
> 
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
> more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
> knack of sea casting).

It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for distance
and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
> especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
> tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
> are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for 
> distance
> and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
any bites...

Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
the place you go to to catch?

Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
matter much?

Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
close to the shore at high tide?

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
> been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
> any bites...

With this unseasonably warm weather I'm thinking maybe I ought to go try
for the first bass of the season rsn...  And the three year pollack should
be inshore any day now too.

> Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
> get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
> the place you go to to catch?

You fish wherever a predator might expect to find a meal - until this years
fry hatch that will be in fast channels, around rocks and among graunch - at
dusk try spinning -just- above the kelp.  In daylight work over drop-offs.
At first light scurry your lure between scattered patches of graunch - where
the odd tiddler might have lingered a little too long. 

> Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
> matter much?

Every venue has its own pattern. In general fish will only come -really-
shallow on a rising tide but back off into postition to catch runoff streams
as the tide drops.

> Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
> three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
> impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Roughly whereabouts are you - there may be someone here with local knowledge.

> Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
> fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
> you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
> close to the shore at high tide? 

First option along the south and west coasts is a floating plug on a rising
tide at -first- light.   In daylight you could do worse than floatfish
between a metre down and the bottom using light floats - chubber for eg. or a
big freshwater slider.

And you can groundbait in the sea too - see:

http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/bait/scroff1.html

Yes - you *can* spin over groundbait.

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

Hiya mate,

Have a look at http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/ you'll find loads of 
info there

-- 

Martyn
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

Hi,

When I began shore fishing with a fixed spool reel as a beginner last year I 
just 'guessed' how to cast. Bad idea!. I too had a load of birds nest on my 
reel. It wasn't until my local tackle shop showed me how to do it that I 
realized I was doing it all wrong.

Here's how to do it:

When casting with a fixed spool reel, you need to hold the line tight under 
your index finger, then OPEN the bail arm. This is the bit of metal that 
guides the line onto the spool. You then cast, releasing the line during the 
chuck. The line will fly off the spool. During the cast, you can control how 
much line is released by using your index finger again. Once the cast is 
complete, you can close the bail arm and fish.

Here's how NOT to do it :-)

Adjust the clutch on the reel so that you can pull line off with no problem. 
Cast. Tidy up the mess.

Regards,

Simon Mc

Anyway, you may be doing it this way already. But if you're not, it may be 
useful to know :-)
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:pLOdnZQR5fpjlK_bnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@bt.com...
>> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
>> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - 
>> cue
>> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
>> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
>> of
>> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
>> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
>> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>>
>> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
>> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
>> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
>> the
>> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>>
>> Hmmmm...
>>
>> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
>> to
>> your swivels.
>>
>> Hth. Cheerio,
>
> Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
> since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
> to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).
>
> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, 
> perhaps with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
>
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so 
> cast more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up 
> the knack of sea casting).
>
> Cheers!
>

"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

I would simply suggest you change a fixed spool until you get the hang of 
it. IMHO spinning with a multiplier reel is more for the US anglers and 
their more forgiving weather.

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam.invalid.nospam@.MISSING-HOST-NAME.> wrote:
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about why 
> my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on a 
> cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or three 
> times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind from 
> the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather than 
> just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting this 
> frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.

If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps of
seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
allows the reel to turn for too long.

If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if the
line is wound on under minimal tension.

Hmmmm... 

Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look to
your swivels.

Hth. Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
> of
> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>
> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
> the
> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>
> Hmmmm...
>
> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
> to
> your swivels.
>
> Hth. Cheerio,

Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).

I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.

I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
knack of sea casting).

Cheers!

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
> with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
> 
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
> more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
> knack of sea casting).

It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for distance
and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
> especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
> tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
> are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for 
> distance
> and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
any bites...

Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
the place you go to to catch?

Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
matter much?

Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
close to the shore at high tide?

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
> been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
> any bites...

With this unseasonably warm weather I'm thinking maybe I ought to go try
for the first bass of the season rsn...  And the three year pollack should
be inshore any day now too.

> Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
> get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
> the place you go to to catch?

You fish wherever a predator might expect to find a meal - until this years
fry hatch that will be in fast channels, around rocks and among graunch - at
dusk try spinning -just- above the kelp.  In daylight work over drop-offs.
At first light scurry your lure between scattered patches of graunch - where
the odd tiddler might have lingered a little too long. 

> Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
> matter much?

Every venue has its own pattern. In general fish will only come -really-
shallow on a rising tide but back off into postition to catch runoff streams
as the tide drops.

> Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
> three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
> impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Roughly whereabouts are you - there may be someone here with local knowledge.

> Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
> fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
> you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
> close to the shore at high tide? 

First option along the south and west coasts is a floating plug on a rising
tide at -first- light.   In daylight you could do worse than floatfish
between a metre down and the bottom using light floats - chubber for eg. or a
big freshwater slider.

And you can groundbait in the sea too - see:

http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/bait/scroff1.html

Yes - you *can* spin over groundbait.

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

Hiya mate,

Have a look at http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/ you'll find loads of 
info there

-- 

Martyn
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

Hi,

When I began shore fishing with a fixed spool reel as a beginner last year I 
just 'guessed' how to cast. Bad idea!. I too had a load of birds nest on my 
reel. It wasn't until my local tackle shop showed me how to do it that I 
realized I was doing it all wrong.

Here's how to do it:

When casting with a fixed spool reel, you need to hold the line tight under 
your index finger, then OPEN the bail arm. This is the bit of metal that 
guides the line onto the spool. You then cast, releasing the line during the 
chuck. The line will fly off the spool. During the cast, you can control how 
much line is released by using your index finger again. Once the cast is 
complete, you can close the bail arm and fish.

Here's how NOT to do it :-)

Adjust the clutch on the reel so that you can pull line off with no problem. 
Cast. Tidy up the mess.

Regards,

Simon Mc

Anyway, you may be doing it this way already. But if you're not, it may be 
useful to know :-)
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:pLOdnZQR5fpjlK_bnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@bt.com...
>> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
>> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - 
>> cue
>> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
>> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
>> of
>> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
>> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
>> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>>
>> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
>> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
>> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
>> the
>> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>>
>> Hmmmm...
>>
>> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
>> to
>> your swivels.
>>
>> Hth. Cheerio,
>
> Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
> since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
> to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).
>
> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, 
> perhaps with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
>
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so 
> cast more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up 
> the knack of sea casting).
>
> Cheers!
>

"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

I would simply suggest you change a fixed spool until you get the hang of 
it. IMHO spinning with a multiplier reel is more for the US anglers and 
their more forgiving weather.

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam.invalid.nospam@.MISSING-HOST-NAME.> wrote:
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about why 
> my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on a 
> cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or three 
> times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind from 
> the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather than 
> just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting this 
> frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.

If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps of
seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
allows the reel to turn for too long.

If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if the
line is wound on under minimal tension.

Hmmmm... 

Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look to
your swivels.

Hth. Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
> of
> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>
> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
> the
> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>
> Hmmmm...
>
> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
> to
> your swivels.
>
> Hth. Cheerio,

Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).

I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.

I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
knack of sea casting).

Cheers!

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
> with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
> 
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
> more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
> knack of sea casting).

It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for distance
and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
> especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
> tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
> are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for 
> distance
> and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
any bites...

Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
the place you go to to catch?

Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
matter much?

Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
close to the shore at high tide?

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
> been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
> any bites...

With this unseasonably warm weather I'm thinking maybe I ought to go try
for the first bass of the season rsn...  And the three year pollack should
be inshore any day now too.

> Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
> get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
> the place you go to to catch?

You fish wherever a predator might expect to find a meal - until this years
fry hatch that will be in fast channels, around rocks and among graunch - at
dusk try spinning -just- above the kelp.  In daylight work over drop-offs.
At first light scurry your lure between scattered patches of graunch - where
the odd tiddler might have lingered a little too long. 

> Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
> matter much?

Every venue has its own pattern. In general fish will only come -really-
shallow on a rising tide but back off into postition to catch runoff streams
as the tide drops.

> Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
> three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
> impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Roughly whereabouts are you - there may be someone here with local knowledge.

> Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
> fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
> you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
> close to the shore at high tide? 

First option along the south and west coasts is a floating plug on a rising
tide at -first- light.   In daylight you could do worse than floatfish
between a metre down and the bottom using light floats - chubber for eg. or a
big freshwater slider.

And you can groundbait in the sea too - see:

http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/bait/scroff1.html

Yes - you *can* spin over groundbait.

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

Hiya mate,

Have a look at http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/ you'll find loads of 
info there

-- 

Martyn
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

Hi,

When I began shore fishing with a fixed spool reel as a beginner last year I 
just 'guessed' how to cast. Bad idea!. I too had a load of birds nest on my 
reel. It wasn't until my local tackle shop showed me how to do it that I 
realized I was doing it all wrong.

Here's how to do it:

When casting with a fixed spool reel, you need to hold the line tight under 
your index finger, then OPEN the bail arm. This is the bit of metal that 
guides the line onto the spool. You then cast, releasing the line during the 
chuck. The line will fly off the spool. During the cast, you can control how 
much line is released by using your index finger again. Once the cast is 
complete, you can close the bail arm and fish.

Here's how NOT to do it :-)

Adjust the clutch on the reel so that you can pull line off with no problem. 
Cast. Tidy up the mess.

Regards,

Simon Mc

Anyway, you may be doing it this way already. But if you're not, it may be 
useful to know :-)
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:pLOdnZQR5fpjlK_bnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@bt.com...
>> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
>> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - 
>> cue
>> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
>> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
>> of
>> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
>> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
>> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>>
>> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
>> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
>> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
>> the
>> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>>
>> Hmmmm...
>>
>> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
>> to
>> your swivels.
>>
>> Hth. Cheerio,
>
> Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
> since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
> to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).
>
> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, 
> perhaps with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
>
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so 
> cast more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up 
> the knack of sea casting).
>
> Cheers!
>

"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

I would simply suggest you change a fixed spool until you get the hang of 
it. IMHO spinning with a multiplier reel is more for the US anglers and 
their more forgiving weather.

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam.invalid.nospam@.MISSING-HOST-NAME.> wrote:
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about why 
> my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on a 
> cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or three 
> times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind from 
> the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather than 
> just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting this 
> frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.

If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps of
seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
allows the reel to turn for too long.

If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if the
line is wound on under minimal tension.

Hmmmm... 

Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look to
your swivels.

Hth. Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
> of
> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>
> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
> the
> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>
> Hmmmm...
>
> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
> to
> your swivels.
>
> Hth. Cheerio,

Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).

I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.

I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
knack of sea casting).

Cheers!

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
> with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
> 
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
> more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
> knack of sea casting).

It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for distance
and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
> especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
> tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
> are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for 
> distance
> and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
any bites...

Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
the place you go to to catch?

Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
matter much?

Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
close to the shore at high tide?

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
> been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
> any bites...

With this unseasonably warm weather I'm thinking maybe I ought to go try
for the first bass of the season rsn...  And the three year pollack should
be inshore any day now too.

> Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
> get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
> the place you go to to catch?

You fish wherever a predator might expect to find a meal - until this years
fry hatch that will be in fast channels, around rocks and among graunch - at
dusk try spinning -just- above the kelp.  In daylight work over drop-offs.
At first light scurry your lure between scattered patches of graunch - where
the odd tiddler might have lingered a little too long. 

> Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
> matter much?

Every venue has its own pattern. In general fish will only come -really-
shallow on a rising tide but back off into postition to catch runoff streams
as the tide drops.

> Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
> three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
> impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Roughly whereabouts are you - there may be someone here with local knowledge.

> Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
> fishermen go, but all seem to be baiting (which I'm not keen on).  What do 
> you think my best options are? Use a more buyuont plug over the rocks in 
> close to the shore at high tide? 

First option along the south and west coasts is a floating plug on a rising
tide at -first- light.   In daylight you could do worse than floatfish
between a metre down and the bottom using light floats - chubber for eg. or a
big freshwater slider.

And you can groundbait in the sea too - see:

http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/bait/scroff1.html

Yes - you *can* spin over groundbait.

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

Hiya mate,

Have a look at http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/ you'll find loads of 
info there

-- 

Martyn
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

Hi,

When I began shore fishing with a fixed spool reel as a beginner last year I 
just 'guessed' how to cast. Bad idea!. I too had a load of birds nest on my 
reel. It wasn't until my local tackle shop showed me how to do it that I 
realized I was doing it all wrong.

Here's how to do it:

When casting with a fixed spool reel, you need to hold the line tight under 
your index finger, then OPEN the bail arm. This is the bit of metal that 
guides the line onto the spool. You then cast, releasing the line during the 
chuck. The line will fly off the spool. During the cast, you can control how 
much line is released by using your index finger again. Once the cast is 
complete, you can close the bail arm and fish.

Here's how NOT to do it :-)

Adjust the clutch on the reel so that you can pull line off with no problem. 
Cast. Tidy up the mess.

Regards,

Simon Mc

Anyway, you may be doing it this way already. But if you're not, it may be 
useful to know :-)
"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:pLOdnZQR5fpjlK_bnZ2dnUVZ8tKsnZ2d@bt.com...
>> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
>> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - 
>> cue
>> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
>> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
>> of
>> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
>> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
>> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>>
>> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
>> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
>> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
>> the
>> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>>
>> Hmmmm...
>>
>> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
>> to
>> your swivels.
>>
>> Hth. Cheerio,
>
> Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
> since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
> to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).
>
> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, 
> perhaps with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
>
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so 
> cast more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up 
> the knack of sea casting).
>
> Cheers!
>

"nospam@nospam.invalid" <nospam.invalid.nospam> wrote in message 
news:Se2dnYiOL8pWNK3bnZ2dnUVZ8tOmnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about 
> why my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on 
> a cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or 
> three times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind 
> from the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather 
> than just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting 
> this frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.
>
> Cheers for any advice!
>

I would simply suggest you change a fixed spool until you get the hang of 
it. IMHO spinning with a multiplier reel is more for the US anglers and 
their more forgiving weather.

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam.invalid.nospam@.MISSING-HOST-NAME.> wrote:
> Hello - I'm used to fresh water fishing and so this sea fishing malarky is 
> quite a different kettle of fish for me! I've just got a question about why 
> my reel seems to continually get in a tangle with line spooling off on a 
> cast out into a bloody big time-wasting bird's nest at least two or three 
> times a session. Do you think its got anything to do with extra wind from 
> the sea or the weight of the tackle (maybe underweight), etc, rather than 
> just me being crap (this never used to happen on fresh water casting this 
> frequently!). So far, I'm really only spinning from the shore with a 
> pike-lure sized spinner.

If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps of
seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
allows the reel to turn for too long.

If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if the
line is wound on under minimal tension.

Hmmmm... 

Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look to
your swivels.

Hth. Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> If you're using a multiplier or centrepin then wind in the face can cause
> your tackle to stop dead in the air while the drum continues to turn - cue
> nest.  If you 'snatch' the cast - too short an action this too can cause
> underpower at the tip while spinning the reel up more than usual. Scraps 
> of
> seaweed/debris catching briefly in the rings can slow the tackle without
> slowing the reel and of course an underbraked reel (or not enough thumb)
> allows the reel to turn for too long.
>
> If you have a fixed spool then either it is overfilled (with springy,
> heavier line the fill is more critical.) or again you have sticky
> weed/debris causing coils to clump together - usually only a problem if 
> the
> line is wound on under minimal tension.
>
> Hmmmm...
>
> Maybe you're getting line-twist and it's twizzling up in which case look 
> to
> your swivels.
>
> Hth. Cheerio,

Thanks, yes it does help; I don't use a centre pin or multiplier reel (and 
since I didn't mention it at all, I'm not sure why the other poster seemed 
to think I did use one - but thanks for the advice anyway Tetley!).

I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.

I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
knack of sea casting).

Cheers!

In article , nospam@nospam.invalid
<URL:mailto:nospam@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> I reckon as I'm new to it all, I'm probably doing a few of the things you 
> mentioned all at once - slightly snatching, into a slight headwind, perhaps 
> with a bit of weed and swivel twisting going on.
> 
> I guess its not something you notice that frequently in your casting if 
> you're a sit and fish type of person (I like to move about a lot and so cast 
> more often and consequently experience more nests as I'm picking up the 
> knack of sea casting).

It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for distance
and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Cheerio,

-- 
  Fishing:  http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
  Writing:  http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/ 
  uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
            http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

> It's worth pointing out that in much saltwater spinning/plugging -
> especially over rock/graunch most fish take  within ten yards of the rod
> tip.  Twenty five yards is a loooong cast and many fish that hit at range
> are poorly hooked so relax, work close and quiet, don't strain for 
> distance
> and your troubles will evaporate.  (Still check the svivels OK?)

Thanks for the tips Derek - I'm desperately in need of spinning tips - I've 
been sea fishing from the shore about 5 or 6 times now and still haven't had 
any bites...

Funny that you mention it, but I've been avoiding rocks (haven't wanted to 
get caught on them and loose my gear) - but are you saying this should be 
the place you go to to catch?

Also - should I being doing this at high or low tide - or doesn't it really 
matter much?

Where I live, there's been lots of new sea defenses added over the last 
three years and there's lots of boulders and new shingle, so I'm getting the 
impression that there's perhaps not many fish out in these stands.

Along the coast a bit is new shingle, but no rocks or boulders where lots of 
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