Sign petition against it here:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

wrote in message 
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> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.

wrote in message
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>
> > Sadly
> > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>

That was my point.

On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Sadly
> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>
> That was my point.

Right.
What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.

and....... it won't be applied in Scotland! Just like the freshwater 
licences!

and.... the Welsh Assembly will cut the cost to zero, like the 
prescriptions.

Ken Ward

Well if it offends you why not do something about it?

The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if enough 
people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice especially if 
their vote is lost at the next election!

Off my soap box now!

Dave

 wrote in message 
news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Sadly
>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full 
>> > > of
>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>
>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>
>> That was my point.
>
> Right.
> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>

Do most of my fishing in Wales already if we get charged & they reduce it to 
zero I will be doing ALL my fishing there,along with a couple of hundred 
thousand others. Who will profit then.

-- 
         Cliff.

Sea Anglers Have "BIGGER" Tackle.

..
"Dave" <dave.samuel NOSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:sMidnfIpd4tjurnbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
> Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
> The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
> join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
> that is not what you want to do try your own MP.
>
> Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
> about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
> value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if 
> enough people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice 
> especially if their vote is lost at the next election!
>
> Off my soap box now!
>
> Dave
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sadly
>>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be 
>>> > > full of
>>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>>
>>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>
>> Right.
>> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
>> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>>
>
>

In message , Dave 
<dave.samuel@NOSPAM.?.com.invalid> writes
>Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
>The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing,
>join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if
>that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

And be aware of the group's policy. For instance, the NFSA has not made 
a blanket refusal in principle (which would be my stance) but has said 
that;

<http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Political-News/Sea_anglers_fail_
to_bite_license_bait.html>

"The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA) strongly opposes it 
unless Defra first delivers tangible improvements for sea angling."

Which, depending on how you read that and who you believe, means 
anything from "when Hell freezes over" to "when you've put some toilet 
blocks by the beach and funded some coaching for the kids".

There is a lot of political manoeuvring going on, and some anglers are 
willing to compromise the license or bag limit issues as a quid quo pro 
for what they hope will be seats for angling reps at the big table, 
restrictions on the commercial sector or some kind of spurious 
consideration as a source of revenue. Others welcome the idea of tighter 
regulation of anglers who don't conform to their ideas of how angling 
ought to be done, and want a license to fund enforcement of that.

As I said, for me it's a matter of principle, not to be bought or 
traded, but there is no unanimity on the matter.

-- 
Steve Walker

wrote in message 
news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.

wrote in message
news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Sadly
> > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>

That was my point.

On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Sadly
> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>
> That was my point.

Right.
What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.

and....... it won't be applied in Scotland! Just like the freshwater 
licences!

and.... the Welsh Assembly will cut the cost to zero, like the 
prescriptions.

Ken Ward

Well if it offends you why not do something about it?

The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if enough 
people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice especially if 
their vote is lost at the next election!

Off my soap box now!

Dave

 wrote in message 
news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Sadly
>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full 
>> > > of
>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>
>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>
>> That was my point.
>
> Right.
> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>

Do most of my fishing in Wales already if we get charged & they reduce it to 
zero I will be doing ALL my fishing there,along with a couple of hundred 
thousand others. Who will profit then.

-- 
         Cliff.

Sea Anglers Have "BIGGER" Tackle.

..
"Dave" <dave.samuel NOSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:sMidnfIpd4tjurnbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
> Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
> The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
> join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
> that is not what you want to do try your own MP.
>
> Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
> about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
> value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if 
> enough people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice 
> especially if their vote is lost at the next election!
>
> Off my soap box now!
>
> Dave
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sadly
>>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be 
>>> > > full of
>>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>>
>>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>
>> Right.
>> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
>> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>>
>
>

In message , Dave 
<dave.samuel@NOSPAM.?.com.invalid> writes
>Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
>The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing,
>join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if
>that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

And be aware of the group's policy. For instance, the NFSA has not made 
a blanket refusal in principle (which would be my stance) but has said 
that;

<http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Political-News/Sea_anglers_fail_
to_bite_license_bait.html>

"The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA) strongly opposes it 
unless Defra first delivers tangible improvements for sea angling."

Which, depending on how you read that and who you believe, means 
anything from "when Hell freezes over" to "when you've put some toilet 
blocks by the beach and funded some coaching for the kids".

There is a lot of political manoeuvring going on, and some anglers are 
willing to compromise the license or bag limit issues as a quid quo pro 
for what they hope will be seats for angling reps at the big table, 
restrictions on the commercial sector or some kind of spurious 
consideration as a source of revenue. Others welcome the idea of tighter 
regulation of anglers who don't conform to their ideas of how angling 
ought to be done, and want a license to fund enforcement of that.

As I said, for me it's a matter of principle, not to be bought or 
traded, but there is no unanimity on the matter.

-- 
Steve Walker

wrote in message 
news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.

wrote in message
news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Sadly
> > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>

That was my point.

On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Sadly
> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>
> That was my point.

Right.
What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.

and....... it won't be applied in Scotland! Just like the freshwater 
licences!

and.... the Welsh Assembly will cut the cost to zero, like the 
prescriptions.

Ken Ward

Well if it offends you why not do something about it?

The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if enough 
people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice especially if 
their vote is lost at the next election!

Off my soap box now!

Dave

 wrote in message 
news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Sadly
>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full 
>> > > of
>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>
>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>
>> That was my point.
>
> Right.
> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>

Do most of my fishing in Wales already if we get charged & they reduce it to 
zero I will be doing ALL my fishing there,along with a couple of hundred 
thousand others. Who will profit then.

-- 
         Cliff.

Sea Anglers Have "BIGGER" Tackle.

..
"Dave" <dave.samuel NOSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:sMidnfIpd4tjurnbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
> Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
> The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
> join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
> that is not what you want to do try your own MP.
>
> Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
> about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
> value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if 
> enough people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice 
> especially if their vote is lost at the next election!
>
> Off my soap box now!
>
> Dave
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sadly
>>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be 
>>> > > full of
>>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>>
>>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>
>> Right.
>> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
>> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>>
>
>

In message , Dave 
<dave.samuel@NOSPAM.?.com.invalid> writes
>Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
>The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing,
>join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if
>that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

And be aware of the group's policy. For instance, the NFSA has not made 
a blanket refusal in principle (which would be my stance) but has said 
that;

<http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Political-News/Sea_anglers_fail_
to_bite_license_bait.html>

"The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA) strongly opposes it 
unless Defra first delivers tangible improvements for sea angling."

Which, depending on how you read that and who you believe, means 
anything from "when Hell freezes over" to "when you've put some toilet 
blocks by the beach and funded some coaching for the kids".

There is a lot of political manoeuvring going on, and some anglers are 
willing to compromise the license or bag limit issues as a quid quo pro 
for what they hope will be seats for angling reps at the big table, 
restrictions on the commercial sector or some kind of spurious 
consideration as a source of revenue. Others welcome the idea of tighter 
regulation of anglers who don't conform to their ideas of how angling 
ought to be done, and want a license to fund enforcement of that.

As I said, for me it's a matter of principle, not to be bought or 
traded, but there is no unanimity on the matter.

-- 
Steve Walker

wrote in message 
news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.

wrote in message
news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Sadly
> > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>

That was my point.

On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Sadly
> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>
> That was my point.

Right.
What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.

and....... it won't be applied in Scotland! Just like the freshwater 
licences!

and.... the Welsh Assembly will cut the cost to zero, like the 
prescriptions.

Ken Ward

Well if it offends you why not do something about it?

The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if enough 
people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice especially if 
their vote is lost at the next election!

Off my soap box now!

Dave

 wrote in message 
news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Sadly
>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full 
>> > > of
>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>
>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>
>> That was my point.
>
> Right.
> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>

Do most of my fishing in Wales already if we get charged & they reduce it to 
zero I will be doing ALL my fishing there,along with a couple of hundred 
thousand others. Who will profit then.

-- 
         Cliff.

Sea Anglers Have "BIGGER" Tackle.

..
"Dave" <dave.samuel NOSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:sMidnfIpd4tjurnbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
> Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
> The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
> join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
> that is not what you want to do try your own MP.
>
> Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
> about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
> value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if 
> enough people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice 
> especially if their vote is lost at the next election!
>
> Off my soap box now!
>
> Dave
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sadly
>>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be 
>>> > > full of
>>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>>
>>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>
>> Right.
>> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
>> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>>
>
>

In message , Dave 
<dave.samuel@NOSPAM.?.com.invalid> writes
>Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
>The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing,
>join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if
>that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

And be aware of the group's policy. For instance, the NFSA has not made 
a blanket refusal in principle (which would be my stance) but has said 
that;

<http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Political-News/Sea_anglers_fail_
to_bite_license_bait.html>

"The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA) strongly opposes it 
unless Defra first delivers tangible improvements for sea angling."

Which, depending on how you read that and who you believe, means 
anything from "when Hell freezes over" to "when you've put some toilet 
blocks by the beach and funded some coaching for the kids".

There is a lot of political manoeuvring going on, and some anglers are 
willing to compromise the license or bag limit issues as a quid quo pro 
for what they hope will be seats for angling reps at the big table, 
restrictions on the commercial sector or some kind of spurious 
consideration as a source of revenue. Others welcome the idea of tighter 
regulation of anglers who don't conform to their ideas of how angling 
ought to be done, and want a license to fund enforcement of that.

As I said, for me it's a matter of principle, not to be bought or 
traded, but there is no unanimity on the matter.

-- 
Steve Walker

wrote in message 
news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.

wrote in message
news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Sadly
> > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>

That was my point.

On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Sadly
> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>
> That was my point.

Right.
What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.

and....... it won't be applied in Scotland! Just like the freshwater 
licences!

and.... the Welsh Assembly will cut the cost to zero, like the 
prescriptions.

Ken Ward

Well if it offends you why not do something about it?

The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if enough 
people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice especially if 
their vote is lost at the next election!

Off my soap box now!

Dave

 wrote in message 
news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Sadly
>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full 
>> > > of
>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>
>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>
>> That was my point.
>
> Right.
> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>

Do most of my fishing in Wales already if we get charged & they reduce it to 
zero I will be doing ALL my fishing there,along with a couple of hundred 
thousand others. Who will profit then.

-- 
         Cliff.

Sea Anglers Have "BIGGER" Tackle.

..
"Dave" <dave.samuel NOSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:sMidnfIpd4tjurnbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
> Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
> The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
> join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
> that is not what you want to do try your own MP.
>
> Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
> about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
> value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if 
> enough people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice 
> especially if their vote is lost at the next election!
>
> Off my soap box now!
>
> Dave
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sadly
>>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be 
>>> > > full of
>>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>>
>>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>
>> Right.
>> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
>> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>>
>
>

In message , Dave 
<dave.samuel@NOSPAM.?.com.invalid> writes
>Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
>The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing,
>join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if
>that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

And be aware of the group's policy. For instance, the NFSA has not made 
a blanket refusal in principle (which would be my stance) but has said 
that;

<http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Political-News/Sea_anglers_fail_
to_bite_license_bait.html>

"The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA) strongly opposes it 
unless Defra first delivers tangible improvements for sea angling."

Which, depending on how you read that and who you believe, means 
anything from "when Hell freezes over" to "when you've put some toilet 
blocks by the beach and funded some coaching for the kids".

There is a lot of political manoeuvring going on, and some anglers are 
willing to compromise the license or bag limit issues as a quid quo pro 
for what they hope will be seats for angling reps at the big table, 
restrictions on the commercial sector or some kind of spurious 
consideration as a source of revenue. Others welcome the idea of tighter 
regulation of anglers who don't conform to their ideas of how angling 
ought to be done, and want a license to fund enforcement of that.

As I said, for me it's a matter of principle, not to be bought or 
traded, but there is no unanimity on the matter.

-- 
Steve Walker

wrote in message 
news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.

wrote in message
news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Sadly
> > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>

That was my point.

On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Sadly
> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>
> That was my point.

Right.
What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.

and....... it won't be applied in Scotland! Just like the freshwater 
licences!

and.... the Welsh Assembly will cut the cost to zero, like the 
prescriptions.

Ken Ward

Well if it offends you why not do something about it?

The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if enough 
people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice especially if 
their vote is lost at the next election!

Off my soap box now!

Dave

 wrote in message 
news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Sadly
>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full 
>> > > of
>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>
>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>
>> That was my point.
>
> Right.
> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>

Do most of my fishing in Wales already if we get charged & they reduce it to 
zero I will be doing ALL my fishing there,along with a couple of hundred 
thousand others. Who will profit then.

-- 
         Cliff.

Sea Anglers Have "BIGGER" Tackle.

..
"Dave" <dave.samuel NOSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:sMidnfIpd4tjurnbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
> Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
> The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
> join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
> that is not what you want to do try your own MP.
>
> Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
> about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
> value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if 
> enough people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice 
> especially if their vote is lost at the next election!
>
> Off my soap box now!
>
> Dave
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sadly
>>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be 
>>> > > full of
>>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>>
>>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>
>> Right.
>> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
>> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>>
>
>

In message , Dave 
<dave.samuel@NOSPAM.?.com.invalid> writes
>Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
>The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing,
>join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if
>that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

And be aware of the group's policy. For instance, the NFSA has not made 
a blanket refusal in principle (which would be my stance) but has said 
that;

<http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Political-News/Sea_anglers_fail_
to_bite_license_bait.html>

"The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA) strongly opposes it 
unless Defra first delivers tangible improvements for sea angling."

Which, depending on how you read that and who you believe, means 
anything from "when Hell freezes over" to "when you've put some toilet 
blocks by the beach and funded some coaching for the kids".

There is a lot of political manoeuvring going on, and some anglers are 
willing to compromise the license or bag limit issues as a quid quo pro 
for what they hope will be seats for angling reps at the big table, 
restrictions on the commercial sector or some kind of spurious 
consideration as a source of revenue. Others welcome the idea of tighter 
regulation of anglers who don't conform to their ideas of how angling 
ought to be done, and want a license to fund enforcement of that.

As I said, for me it's a matter of principle, not to be bought or 
traded, but there is no unanimity on the matter.

-- 
Steve Walker

wrote in message 
news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.

wrote in message
news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Sadly
> > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>

That was my point.

On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Sadly
> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>
> That was my point.

Right.
What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.

and....... it won't be applied in Scotland! Just like the freshwater 
licences!

and.... the Welsh Assembly will cut the cost to zero, like the 
prescriptions.

Ken Ward

Well if it offends you why not do something about it?

The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if enough 
people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice especially if 
their vote is lost at the next election!

Off my soap box now!

Dave

 wrote in message 
news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Sadly
>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full 
>> > > of
>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>
>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>
>> That was my point.
>
> Right.
> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>

Do most of my fishing in Wales already if we get charged & they reduce it to 
zero I will be doing ALL my fishing there,along with a couple of hundred 
thousand others. Who will profit then.

-- 
         Cliff.

Sea Anglers Have "BIGGER" Tackle.

..
"Dave" <dave.samuel NOSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:sMidnfIpd4tjurnbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
> Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
> The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
> join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
> that is not what you want to do try your own MP.
>
> Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
> about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
> value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if 
> enough people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice 
> especially if their vote is lost at the next election!
>
> Off my soap box now!
>
> Dave
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sadly
>>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be 
>>> > > full of
>>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>>
>>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>
>> Right.
>> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
>> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>>
>
>

In message , Dave 
<dave.samuel@NOSPAM.?.com.invalid> writes
>Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
>The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing,
>join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if
>that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

And be aware of the group's policy. For instance, the NFSA has not made 
a blanket refusal in principle (which would be my stance) but has said 
that;

<http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Political-News/Sea_anglers_fail_
to_bite_license_bait.html>

"The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA) strongly opposes it 
unless Defra first delivers tangible improvements for sea angling."

Which, depending on how you read that and who you believe, means 
anything from "when Hell freezes over" to "when you've put some toilet 
blocks by the beach and funded some coaching for the kids".

There is a lot of political manoeuvring going on, and some anglers are 
willing to compromise the license or bag limit issues as a quid quo pro 
for what they hope will be seats for angling reps at the big table, 
restrictions on the commercial sector or some kind of spurious 
consideration as a source of revenue. Others welcome the idea of tighter 
regulation of anglers who don't conform to their ideas of how angling 
ought to be done, and want a license to fund enforcement of that.

As I said, for me it's a matter of principle, not to be bought or 
traded, but there is no unanimity on the matter.

-- 
Steve Walker

wrote in message 
news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.

wrote in message
news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>
> > Sadly
> > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>

That was my point.

On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Sadly
> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>
> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>
> That was my point.

Right.
What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.

and....... it won't be applied in Scotland! Just like the freshwater 
licences!

and.... the Welsh Assembly will cut the cost to zero, like the 
prescriptions.

Ken Ward

Well if it offends you why not do something about it?

The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if enough 
people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice especially if 
their vote is lost at the next election!

Off my soap box now!

Dave

 wrote in message 
news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > > Sadly
>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full 
>> > > of
>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>
>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>
>> That was my point.
>
> Right.
> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>

Do most of my fishing in Wales already if we get charged & they reduce it to 
zero I will be doing ALL my fishing there,along with a couple of hundred 
thousand others. Who will profit then.

-- 
         Cliff.

Sea Anglers Have "BIGGER" Tackle.

..
"Dave" <dave.samuel NOSPAM@btinternet.com> wrote in message 
news:sMidnfIpd4tjurnbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
> Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
> The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing, 
> join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if 
> that is not what you want to do try your own MP.
>
> Loads of people moan about a situation but will not try to do something 
> about it, then they moan again when something happens they don't like. The 
> value of the sea angler has been proven to be worth £ millions and if 
> enough people complain at least they have to sit up and take notice 
> especially if their vote is lost at the next election!
>
> Off my soap box now!
>
> Dave
>
>  wrote in message 
> news:1176713915.783824.125910@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 16 Apr, 02:47, "Tetley"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1176677257.899572.106310@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > Sadly
>>> > > even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be 
>>> > > full of
>>> > > beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.
>>>
>>> > Most of the money would go into administering itself.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>
>> Right.
>> What pisses me off is that they try this regularly. It usually gets
>> defeated but if for once it doesn't then we get stuck with it.
>>
>
>

In message , Dave 
<dave.samuel@NOSPAM.?.com.invalid> writes
>Well if it offends you why not do something about it?
>
>The least anyone who opposes this is to sign the petition that is ongoing,
>join the NFSA or other major group so that your voice is heard or even if
>that is not what you want to do try your own MP.

And be aware of the group's policy. For instance, the NFSA has not made 
a blanket refusal in principle (which would be my stance) but has said 
that;

<http://www.sacn.org.uk/Conservation-and-Political-News/Sea_anglers_fail_
to_bite_license_bait.html>

"The National Federation of Sea Anglers (NFSA) strongly opposes it 
unless Defra first delivers tangible improvements for sea angling."

Which, depending on how you read that and who you believe, means 
anything from "when Hell freezes over" to "when you've put some toilet 
blocks by the beach and funded some coaching for the kids".

There is a lot of political manoeuvring going on, and some anglers are 
willing to compromise the license or bag limit issues as a quid quo pro 
for what they hope will be seats for angling reps at the big table, 
restrictions on the commercial sector or some kind of spurious 
consideration as a source of revenue. Others welcome the idea of tighter 
regulation of anglers who don't conform to their ideas of how angling 
ought to be done, and want a license to fund enforcement of that.

As I said, for me it's a matter of principle, not to be bought or 
traded, but there is no unanimity on the matter.

-- 
Steve Walker

wrote in message 
news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Sign petition against it here:
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/

another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of 
politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials of 
freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their 
primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.

Derek

"Derek"  wrote in message
news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>  wrote in message
> news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > Sign petition against it here:
> > http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
of
> freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> Derek
>
>

If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue. Sadly
even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
have become tory in just a few years.

On 15 Apr, 22:39, "Tetley"  wrote:
> "Derek"  wrote in message
>
> news:30pUh.364$V7.56@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:1176564515.428197.72780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > Sign petition against it here:
> > >http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anglers/
>
> > another  bloody ludicrous Blairite plan.Its about time the number of
> > politicians on the payroll was drastically reduced to stop these denials
> of
> > freedom and make the buggers concentrate on delivering services.Their
> > primary purpose and one which they seem incapable of delivering at all.
>
> > Derek
>
> If the money went back into fishing I would not have such an issue.

How would it do that? I''d rather have things kept as the are. Next
stage would be licence to dig your own bait, a "worm-tax". After that
it might be bag limits for sea fish (their argument is stock
preservation, as if sea anglers have any impact on stocks)

> Sadly
> even if the money collected did go back into fishing it would be full of
> beauraucratic bull it would be unworkable.

Most of the money would go into administering itself.

>
> Bottom line why does Blair feel the need for a Sea Angling licence? My guess
> is lets tax the working class more as in this years budget. My how labour
> have become tory in just a few years.