Gents,
Firstly is it still worth using this group anymore?
Maybe Usenet is a thing of the past?
Anyway, maybe Bill or some other fly tiers might be able to give me the 
ingredients and instructions for this pattern which came up in 
conversation with a Yorkshire friend of mine. Probably no good for us 
southerners but my friend tells me he knew the originator and a little 
gift of a copy would not go amiss.
Best wishes to all the old crowd and how about a gathering this year. 
Back to Brenig?
Cheers,
Alec
-- 
"The Gods do not subtract from the allotted span of mens lives the hours
spent in fishing......"

In article <yG+BijdnfwlJFwRW@prole.demon.co.uk>, Alec Powell 
 writes
>Gents,
>Firstly is it still worth using this group anymore?
>Maybe Usenet is a thing of the past?
>Anyway, maybe Bill or some other fly tiers might be able to give me the 
>ingredients and instructions for this pattern which came up in 
>conversation with a Yorkshire friend of mine. Probably no good for us 
>southerners but my friend tells me he knew the originator and a little 
>gift of a copy would not go amiss.
>Best wishes to all the old crowd and how about a gathering this year. 
>Back to Brenig?
>Cheers,
>Alec

Sorry Alex - never heard of it.

Can you give a detailed description, maybe then a similar fly may be 
found.  Sometimes flies are tied with a slight variation on a well known 
pattern then given a new name.

E.G.  a large hook - say #6 with a 4 " worm might easily be called 
Andy's Fancy :-).........with a squirrel tail wing - a Dave's Delight!

Only joking Andy :-)
-- 
Bill Grey

In article , W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <yG+BijdnfwlJFwRW@prole.demon.co.uk>, Alec Powell 
>  writes
> >Gents,
> >Firstly is it still worth using this group anymore?

It makes a nice doorstop, genuine antique that y'know.

> >Maybe Usenet is a thing of the past?
> >Anyway, maybe Bill or some other fly tiers might be able to give me the 
> >ingredients and instructions for this pattern which came up in 
> >conversation with a Yorkshire friend of mine. Probably no good for us 
> >southerners but my friend tells me he knew the originator and a little 
> >gift of a copy would not go amiss.

A rough water fly. Basically a red tag with a white hackle - something like:

Hackle: white cock
Body: peacock herl
Tag: Red wool
Thread: To choice - but I have some recollection of purple thread being used to form a small head - Icbw.

My guess is that a conventional red tag with a red-brown hackle would work
at least as well but the white probably makes the fly more visible - to the
angler - on fast, peat tinged water.

> >Best wishes to all the old crowd and how about a gathering this year. 
> >Back to Brenig?
> >Cheers,
> >Alec
> 
> Sorry Alex - never heard of it.
> 
> Can you give a detailed description, maybe then a similar fly may be 
> found.  Sometimes flies are tied with a slight variation on a well known 
> pattern then given a new name.
> 
> E.G.  a large hook - say #6 with a 4 " worm might easily be called 
> Andy's Fancy :-)

Usually the 'garden ranger'

> .........with a squirrel tail wing - a Dave's Delight!

Cheerio,

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"Alec Powell"  wrote in message 
news:yG+BijdnfwlJFwRW@prole.demon.co.uk...
> Gents,
> Firstly is it still worth using this group anymore?
> Maybe Usenet is a thing of the past?
> Anyway, maybe Bill or some other fly tiers might be able to give me the 
> ingredients and instructions for this pattern which came up in 
> conversation with a Yorkshire friend of mine. Probably no good for us 
> southerners but my friend tells me he knew the originator and a little 
> gift of a copy would not go amiss.
> Best wishes to all the old crowd and how about a gathering this year. Back 
> to Brenig?
> Cheers,
> Alec
> -- 
> "The Gods do not subtract from the allotted span of mens lives the hours
> spent in fishing......"
>
Strange but not in my bookshelf ( I have no idea what happened to my one 
grayling patterns book)  . Looking at this image it appears to be a red tag 
tied dry with a white hackle unusually using purple silk   sunstitute red 
silk and a badger hackle and its the fly I used on the upper reaches of the 
River Dane for wild browns
http://www.fishingwithstyle.co.uk/sturdy's%20fancy.JPG

I found this suggestion for the pattern

http://www.flyforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=277206

Hook: 16 down to 20
Thread: Purple (Black or Brown will do if you have no Purple)
Tail: Red Fluorescent Nylon Floss (in the photo mine is too long by about a 
third)
Body: A strand of peacock herl
Rib: the tying thread
Hackle: "Mucky White" was the original but pale cream seems to be very good

Derek W
Makes note renew moth deterrent in dressing box!

"W. D. Grey"  wrote in message 
news:28ItQnB3IylJFwT1@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
> In article <yG+BijdnfwlJFwRW@prole.demon.co.uk>, Alec Powell 
>  writes
>>Gents,
>>Firstly is it still worth using this group anymore?
>>Maybe Usenet is a thing of the past?
>>Anyway, maybe Bill or some other fly tiers might be able to give me the 
>>ingredients and instructions for this pattern which came up in 
>>conversation with a Yorkshire friend of mine. Probably no good for us 
>>southerners but my friend tells me he knew the originator and a little 
>>gift of a copy would not go amiss.
>>Best wishes to all the old crowd and how about a gathering this year. Back 
>>to Brenig?
>>Cheers,
>>Alec
>
> Sorry Alex - never heard of it.
>
> Can you give a detailed description, maybe then a similar fly may be 
> found.  Sometimes flies are tied with a slight variation on a well known 
> pattern then given a new name.
>
> E.G.  a large hook - say #6 with a 4 " worm might easily be called Andy's 
> Fancy :-).........with a squirrel tail wing - a Dave's Delight!
>
> Only joking Andy :-)
> -- 
> Bill Grey
>

Hrmph!

-- 
Andy

size 14 fine wire

double maggot

;o)

-- 
Andy

In article , Andy Lawson 
 writes
>size 14 fine wire
>
>double maggot
>
>;o)
>

Now you're talking!
-- 
Bill Grey

In message , Derek Moody 
 writes
>A rough water fly. Basically a red tag with a white hackle - something like:
>
>Hackle: white cock
>Body: peacock herl
>Tag: Red wool
>Thread: To choice - but I have some recollection of purple thread being used to form a small head - Icbw.
>
>My guess is that a conventional red tag with a red-brown hackle would work
>at least as well but the white probably makes the fly more visible - to the
>angler - on fast, peat tinged water.

Quite agree Derek, but I can't help thinking the purple head is a bit of 
an angler's dream considering all the other colours involved.  A 
wouldn't think a trout would be  /that/ fussy.
-- 
Bill Grey

In article , Bill Grey
<URL:mailto:wdg@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message , Derek Moody 
>  writes
> >A rough water fly. Basically a red tag with a white hackle - something like:

> wouldn't think a trout would be  /that/ fussy.

Oh I agree but the OP was asking for a particular pattern for sentimental
reasons.

Have you had problems with your newsfeed Bill?  This thread, and another
you've posted to, are months old...

Cheerio,

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In message , Derek Moody 
 writes
>Have you had problems with your newsfeed Bill?  This thread, and another
>you've posted to, are months old...

Indeed I have Derek.  I realised that I had a problem when I saw the 
dates of the items to which I responded.

Rather strange that URFG is the only NG which has suffered though.
I've looked in on the group for several months and saw nothing, and was 
beginning to think that everyone had given up posting !

Best wishes to all
-- 
Bill Grey

In article , Bill Grey
<URL:mailto:wdg@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message , Derek Moody 
>  writes
> >Have you had problems with your newsfeed Bill?  This thread, and another
> >you've posted to, are months old...
> 
> Indeed I have Derek.  I realised that I had a problem when I saw the 
> dates of the items to which I responded.
> 
> Rather strange that URFG is the only NG which has suffered though.
> I've looked in on the group for several months and saw nothing, and was 
> beginning to think that everyone had given up posting !

Well, it -has- been quiet, I assumed they were all fishing.

Cheerio,

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