Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't about your
fishing method, it's about something completely different.

http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/

In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac  
writes
>Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't about your
>fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>
>http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>
>

Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
-- 
Bill Grey

"W. D. Grey"  wrote in message 
news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac  
> writes
>>Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't about your
>>fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>
>>http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>
> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
> -- 
> Bill Grey
>

'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)

Andy

In article , Andy Lawson 
 writes
>
>"W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac 
>> writes
>>>Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't about your
>>>fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>>
>>>http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
>> --
>> Bill Grey
>>
>
>'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)
>
>Andy
>
>

Hi Andy - you doin Ok ?

Is Alec treating you well ?
-- 
Bill Grey

W. D. Grey wrote:
> In article , Andy Lawson 
>  writes
>>
>> "W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>> news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>>> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac 
>>> writes
>>>> Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't about 
>>>> your
>>>> fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>>>
>>>> http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
>>> -- 
>>> Bill Grey
>>>
>>
>> 'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
> 
> Hi Andy - you doin Ok ?
> 
> Is Alec treating you well ?



  no, but he's outfishing him......  :+)

Dave

In article <fj0j00$2pf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
 writes
>W. D. Grey wrote:
>> In article , Andy Lawson 
>> writes
>>>
>>> "W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>>> news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>>>> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac 
>>>> writes
>>>>> Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't 
>>>>>about your
>>>>> fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
>>>> --  Bill Grey
>>>>
>>>
>>> 'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>  Hi Andy - you doin Ok ?
>>  Is Alec treating you well ?
>
>
>
> no, but he's outfishing him......  :+)
>
>Dave
>
>
OK lads!    What's Santa brining you ?
-- 
Bill Grey

W. D. Grey wrote:
> In article <fj0j00$2pf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
>  writes
>> W. D. Grey wrote:
>>> In article , Andy Lawson 
>>>  writes
>>>>
>>>> "W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>>>> news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>>>>> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac 
>>>>> writes
>>>>>> Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't 
>>>>>> about your
>>>>>> fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
>>>>> --  Bill Grey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  Hi Andy - you doin Ok ?
>>>  Is Alec treating you well ?
>>
>>
>>
>> no, but he's outfishing him......  :+)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
> OK lads!    What's Santa brining you ?


  that 14 ft salmon rod wot I bought on Ebay last night.... :+)

In article <fjj205$la0$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
 writes
>W. D. Grey wrote:
>> In article <fj0j00$2pf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
>> writes
>>> W. D. Grey wrote:
>>>> In article , Andy Lawson 
>>>> writes
>>>>>
>>>>> "W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac 
>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>> Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't 
>>>>>>>about your
>>>>>>> fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
>>>>>> --  Bill Grey
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  Hi Andy - you doin Ok ?
>>>>  Is Alec treating you well ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> no, but he's outfishing him......  :+)
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>> OK lads!    What's Santa brining you ?
>
>
> that 14 ft salmon rod wot I bought on Ebay last night.... :+)
>

Don't forget - Use two hands :-)
-- 
Bill Grey

W. D. Grey wrote:
> In article <fjj205$la0$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
>  writes
>> W. D. Grey wrote:
>>> In article <fj0j00$2pf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
>>>  writes
>>>> W. D. Grey wrote:
>>>>> In article , Andy Lawson 
>>>>>  writes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>>> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>> Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't 
>>>>>>>> about your
>>>>>>>> fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
>>>>>>> --  Bill Grey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Andy - you doin Ok ?
>>>>>  Is Alec treating you well ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no, but he's outfishing him......  :+)
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>> OK lads!    What's Santa brining you ?
>>
>>
>> that 14 ft salmon rod wot I bought on Ebay last night.... :+)
>>
> 
> Don't forget - Use two hands :-)

  I always do, Bill.  D'you think that this is where I could be going 
wrong?  Hmm, now all I need is a reel to go with it..

In article <fjllk3$evl$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
 writes
>W. D. Grey wrote:
>> In article <fjj205$la0$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
>> writes
>>> W. D. Grey wrote:
>>>> In article <fj0j00$2pf$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane 
>>>> writes
>>>>> W. D. Grey wrote:
>>>>>> In article , Andy Lawson 
>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>>>>>>>> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>> Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't 
>>>>>>>>>about your
>>>>>>>>> fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
>>>>>>>> --  Bill Grey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi Andy - you doin Ok ?
>>>>>>  Is Alec treating you well ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> no, but he's outfishing him......  :+)
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> OK lads!    What's Santa brining you ?
>>>
>>>
>>> that 14 ft salmon rod wot I bought on Ebay last night.... :+)
>>>
>>  Don't forget - Use two hands :-)
>
> I always do, Bill.  D'you think that this is where I could be going 
>wrong? Hmm, now all I need is a reel to go with it..
>
Attach the reel just below your elbow - this virtually extends the 
length of the rod :-0

I'd love to cast a two handed salmon rod.!
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <mMm9VbA+AnXHFwrh@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I'd love to cast a two handed salmon rod.!

You don't =have= to wait for a chance at a salmon to use double hander.

<OT>
I use one in the sea sometimes and they can be useful for pike too. In a
tideway with a decent shoal of fish in front of you you want to get the fly
out there again before the shoal moves.

A Spey is great for getting the fly out again as long as there isn't a fish
already on.  If you're getting one a chuck you discover that Spey casting is
much more about casting than about catching fish.   

And with pike you find that the standard advice to release a yard of line,
count to three and tighten is a sure way to fail.  Instead strike hard or
the hook won't move among all those teeth until the fish decides it tastes
wrong and ejects it.
</OT>

Then when you can eventually afford a squillion quid to stand up to your
armpits in melting ice you have to unlearn the above.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>> I'd love to cast a two handed salmon rod.!
>
>You don't =have= to wait for a chance at a salmon to use double hander.

You're getting ahead of me Derek. I'm not interested in salmon or any 
other fish - I just would like to cast a two handed rod.

  Happy Xmas
-- 
Bill Grey

In article , W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article , Derek Moody 
>  writes
> >> I'd love to cast a two handed salmon rod.!
> >
> >You don't =have= to wait for a chance at a salmon to use double hander.
> 
> You're getting ahead of me Derek. I'm not interested in salmon or any 
> other fish - I just would like to cast a two handed rod.

Er, yes.  Actually I forgot to tell you to scrape the worst of the fish
scales off the corks before taking it on an upmarket beat - some people
don't understand you know.

As for the casting you just waggle it around a lot and hit the forward cast
a bit harder than you'd expect.  You don't actually do anything you couldn't
do with a single hander.  Admittedly the long rod gives you more time to set
the line up...

  for eg the double spey with a #10 and a 15' rod....
  ....this way, that way, swing the loop behind lift the rod and punch as
opposed to whipwhipswishwhip which is how it goes with a 6' #4.

>   Happy Xmas

Have a cool Yule,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
> for eg the double spey with a #10 and a 15' rod....
>  ....this way, that way, swing the loop behind lift the rod and punch as
>opposed to whipwhipswishwhip which is how it goes with a 6' #4.

Yeh! Yeh.  Spey cast indeed - a name invented to make someone loadsa 
cash teaching gullible anglers the "correct" method.

There is soooo much hype spoken/written about the SPEY cast !!! Any 
angler with half a brain will know it is pretty obvious what needs to be 
done to retrieve the line and cast in the right direction.

An example of the "naming" of a particular cast reminds me of when I was 
a lad.  I was performing a roll cast years before I heard the name 
"Roll" cast. It just naturally became part of fishing for me.
-- 
Bill Grey

In article , W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Yeh! Yeh.  Spey cast indeed - a name invented to make someone loadsa 
> cash teaching gullible anglers the "correct" method.

On this occasion I'll take exception - usually you'd be right to debunk. 
The Spey casts have the huge advantage of needing very little space behind
the angler which originally came from the very bushed-in banks of the river. 
It's not as good as an overhead when there is room behind but it's quicker
than setting up a roll cast from scratch.  I really notice the difference
when fishing in the sea with vertical rock behind: I can get an empty hook
back out much faster with a Spey but if I'm taking a fish (or a lump of
seaweed) a chuck then it's back to rolling.

You don't need lessons for the double spey, for the single it might help if
a mate videos you in action and you'll see at once where timing errors
occur.

> There is soooo much hype spoken/written about the SPEY cast !!! Any 
> angler with half a brain will know it is pretty obvious what needs to be 
> done to retrieve the line and cast in the right direction.

Of I agree, the really hard part is working out which is the right directon.

> An example of the "naming" of a particular cast reminds me of when I was 
> a lad.  I was performing a roll cast years before I heard the name 
> "Roll" cast. It just naturally became part of fishing for me.

I have been asked 'What sort of cast do you call that?' - so there must be
some interest ;-)

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>
>On this occasion I'll take exception - usually you'd be right to debunk.
>The Spey casts have the huge advantage of needing very little space behind
>the angler which originally came from the very bushed-in banks of the river.
>It's not as good as an overhead when there is room behind but it's quicker
>than setting up a roll cast from scratch.  I really notice the difference
>when fishing in the sea with vertical rock behind: I can get an empty hook
>back out much faster with a Spey but if I'm taking a fish (or a lump of
>seaweed) a chuck then it's back to rolling.

Exception - why?  A Spey cast /is/ a roll cast, at least it may be that 
the Spey bit is just to get the line in a position to roll cast the fly 
in the right direction.
-- 
Bill Grey

W. D. Grey wrote:
> In article , Derek Moody 
>  writes
>>
>> On this occasion I'll take exception - usually you'd be right to debunk.
>> The Spey casts have the huge advantage of needing very little space 
>> behind
>> the angler which originally came from the very bushed-in banks of the 
>> river.
>> It's not as good as an overhead when there is room behind but it's 
>> quicker
>> than setting up a roll cast from scratch.  I really notice the difference
>> when fishing in the sea with vertical rock behind: I can get an empty 
>> hook
>> back out much faster with a Spey but if I'm taking a fish (or a lump of
>> seaweed) a chuck then it's back to rolling.
> 
> Exception - why?  A Spey cast /is/ a roll cast, at least it may be that 
> the Spey bit is just to get the line in a position to roll cast the fly 
> in the right direction.


  heh, keep it going fellers, I'm enjoying this.  I've been wondering 
about whether to treat meself to a double-hander for some time, as my 
trout rod wouldn't last 5 mins on the river when it's up - and seeing 
someone down there with such, just at the end of the season made my mind 
up.  Amazing easy, it looked, to roll cast a line right across the 
river.  At 14 ft, this is a bit bigger than I had thought best, but the 
deal going on ebay was very tempting (Daiwa WF98 14ft and an Evans 
Arrowhead line) - partly because my trout outtfit is  a the WF98 9'6", 
with - an Arrowhead line.. :+)  I'm a bit fed up with chucking bits of 
ironmongery around the river, haven't the time to be digging for worms, 
and had decided to really give the fly a go next year.


  ok, seconds out, round 2:

In article <fjoc4j$9tc$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane
<URL:mailto:pss005@bangor.ac.uk> wrote:

>   heh, keep it going fellers, I'm enjoying this.  I've been wondering 
> about whether to treat meself to a double-hander for some time, as my 
> trout rod wouldn't last 5 mins on the river when it's up - and seeing 
> someone down there with such, just at the end of the season made my mind 
> up.  Amazing easy, it looked, to roll cast a line right across the 
> river.  At 14 ft, this is a bit bigger than I had thought best, but the 
> deal going on ebay was very tempting (Daiwa WF98 14ft and an Evans 
> Arrowhead line) - partly because my trout outtfit is  a the WF98 9'6",

He (Evans) used to have a how-to-do-it video which shows pretty much all
you'll need.

> with - an Arrowhead line.. :+)  I'm a bit fed up with chucking bits of 
> ironmongery around the river, haven't the time to be digging for worms, 
> and had decided to really give the fly a go next year.

But you'll catch more if you take it down to the swillies and cast something
about #2/0 tandem...

Cheerio,

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In article , W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Exception - why?  A Spey cast /is/ a roll cast, at least it may be that 
> the Spey bit is just to get the line in a position to roll cast the fly 
> in the right direction.

Yes.  But for me at least, a roll cast from a standing start takes more
effort - in fact a second roll is often needed.

My main point was that just because the rod has the word 'salmon' printed on
it it doesn't mean you can't use it for something else - in fact if you want
to be well practised then far better to start on something else.

Cheerio,

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Derek Moody wrote:

> 
> But you'll catch more if you take it down to the swillies and cast something
> about #2/0 tandem...
> 


  ah  - now yer talkin' - this is supposed to be a chrissy present from 
El Presidente, and I had been wondering how to deal with the fact that I 
wouldn't be able even to give it a go over water until next March (our 
Olympic swimming pool has been drained for the winter) - hadn't thought 
of nipping down the beach...hmmm. hmmmm

thanks for the ideas...

In article <fjp43v$h72$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, Dave Lane
<URL:mailto:pss005@bangor.ac.uk> wrote:
> Derek Moody wrote:
> 
> > 
> > But you'll catch more if you take it down to the swillies and cast something
> > about #2/0 tandem...
> > 
> 
> 
>   ah  - now yer talkin' - this is supposed to be a chrissy present from 
> El Presidente, and I had been wondering how to deal with the fact that I 
> wouldn't be able even to give it a go over water until next March (our 
> Olympic swimming pool has been drained for the winter) - hadn't thought 
> of nipping down the beach...hmmm. hmmmm
> 
> thanks for the ideas...

De nada.

Far from the best time of year for swoffing but better than nowt.

Cheerio,

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"W. D. Grey"  wrote in message 
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> In article , Andy Lawson 
>  writes
>>
>>"W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>>news:7Az6GaE6dqTHFw4s@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>>> In article <figf5r$bch$1@sopnews2.vip.hr>, Dinac 
>>> writes
>>>>Many anglers don't realize that sometimes catching fish isn't about your
>>>>fishing method, it's about something completely different.
>>>>
>>>>http://fishing-hint.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeh!...Luck - ask Andy :-)
>>> --
>>> Bill Grey
>>>
>>
>>'scuse me? Wot you inseminatin' ? ;o)
>>
>>Andy
>>
>>
>
> Hi Andy - you doin Ok ?
>
> Is Alec treating you well ?
> -- 
> Bill Grey
>

Hiya Bill. Sorry for the late reply but I've been really busy with work.

I'm doing fine. I hope you're keeping well.

Alec and I went to Farmoor about 4 weeks ago. Weather wasn't too bad, broken 
cloud with a light but cold Northerly wind and the fish were just not 
playing. Alec absolutley stuffed me out of site with two takes! He missed 
one and broke off on the other. I said I'll buy him a book on fishing knots 
for Christmas ;o) Meanwhile, I just couldn't get a take no matter what I 
tried. The fishery warden came past in his van and offered some mince pies 
his wife had made earlier. They were really nice as well!

After just short of 4 hours, we decided to call it a day and retired to the 
local inn for some scoff and a warm through.

All the best,

Andy

In article , Andy Lawson 
 writes
>Hiya Bill. Sorry for the late reply but I've been really busy with work.

Glad to hear someone is actually working :-)
>
>I'm doing fine. I hope you're keeping well.

OK thanks I try to keep going - walking the dog helps a lot on that 
score.
>
>Alec and I went to Farmoor about 4 weeks ago. Weather wasn't too bad, broken
>cloud with a light but cold Northerly wind and the fish were just not
>playing. Alec absolutley stuffed me out of site with two takes! He missed
>one and broke off on the other. I said I'll buy him a book on fishing knots
>for Christmas ;o) Meanwhile, I just couldn't get a take no matter what I
>tried. The fishery warden came past in his van and offered some mince pies
>his wife had made earlier. They were really nice as well!

The last time I was out was in September. After fruitless lure bashing - 
the same as the rest of the crew, I gave up and went back onto a long 
leader and buzzer fished verrry slowly. My success rate changed for the 
better instantly - four rainbows of about 3.5 lbs each.


P'raps you should have tried a mince pie fished deep - you'll never know 
:-)
>
>After just short of 4 hours, we decided to call it a day and retired to the
>local inn for some scoff and a warm through.

The only way to finish the day.

Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year to you, Alec, Dave, Reg and anyone 
else I can't think of right now.
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <0mIZ$IB2GNbHFwq$@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> The last time I was out was in September. After fruitless lure bashing - 

> P'raps you should have tried a mince pie fished deep - you'll never know 

Last time I was out *and on topic for this group* I found a nice shoal of
grayling in an eddy - along with a few brownies.  Despite there being far
more grayling visible than trout, of the dozen or so I caught only three
were grayling ... 

In the ordinary way I wouldn't mind catching near 2lb brownies - but when I
landed the third of that size I recognised it. I was the first one again and
now I'm none too sure about the second, the d**** things were going round
and around and queing up for another go.

> Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year to you, Alec, Dave, Reg and anyone 
> else I can't think of right now.

Have a real cool Yule chaps!

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