....come another washing day!

Andy

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River.  To encourage more 
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some 
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon 
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage 
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning 
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently 
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

-- 
Bill Grey

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River.  To encourage more 
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some 
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon 
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage 
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning 
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently 
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

-- 
Bill Grey

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River.  To encourage more 
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some 
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon 
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage 
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning 
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently 
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

-- 
Bill Grey

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River.  To encourage more 
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some 
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon 
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage 
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning 
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently 
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

-- 
Bill Grey

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River.  To encourage more 
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some 
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon 
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage 
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning 
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently 
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

-- 
Bill Grey

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

-- 
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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River.  To encourage more 
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some 
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon 
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage 
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning 
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently 
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

-- 
Bill Grey

In article , W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
> too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 

Is there a counter on the river?

Cheerio,

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In article , Andy Lawson
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> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River.  To encourage more 
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some 
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon 
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage 
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning 
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently 
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

-- 
Bill Grey

In article , W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
> too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 

Is there a counter on the river?

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
>> too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen
>
>Is there a counter on the river?
>
>Cheerio,
>
Don't think so - it was the failure to accurately monitor fish migration 
that cocked up the study. The study took place after the fish-pass cills 
where modified to make the torrent less violent.

Nogood Boyo will have the answer if he reads this.
-- 
Bill Grey

"W. D. Grey"  wrote in message 
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> In article , Derek Moody 
>  writes
>>In article , W. D. Grey
>><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
>>> too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen
>>
>>Is there a counter on the river?
>>
>>Cheerio,
>>
> Don't think so - it was the failure to accurately monitor fish migration 
> that cocked up the study. The study took place after the fish-pass cills 
> where modified to make the torrent less violent.
>
> Nogood Boyo will have the answer if he reads this.

As far as I am aware here is no fish counter, fish were trapped or seine 
netted and tagged with combined acoustic and radio tags then tracked by a 
combination of sonar bouys and radio trackers.

In article , Andy Lawson
<URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> ...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , Andy Lawson
><URL:mailto:litter.bin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> ...come another washing day!
>
>The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
>off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
>rain came back and it coloured up again.
>
>Cheerio,
>

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
-- 
Bill Grey

In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and 
> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt 
> the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,                

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
>In article <RpXgMjBopijGFw6+@graigroad.demon.co.uk>, W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
>> looking like  chocolate.  The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
>> the unwary salmon - to no avail !
>
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?
>
Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
below 20th.

>Cheerio,
>
>* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
>ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
>leave red to port - er, oops.
>
Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

-- 
Nogood Boyo

In article <dZ+ha4AGH2jGFw5s@ynystawe.demon.co.uk>, Nogood Boyo
<URL:mailto:NogoodBoyo@bwllfa.co.uk> wrote:

> Basically it's completely fucked the runs of sea trout.  The fish pass 
> doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to 
> below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

> Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in 
> the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users. 
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.
        
Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
>Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
>do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River.  To encourage more 
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some 
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon 
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage 
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning 
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently 
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

-- 
Bill Grey

In article , W. D. Grey
<URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was 
> too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen 

Is there a counter on the river?

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody 
 writes
>In article , W. D. Grey
><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
>> too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen
>
>Is there a counter on the river?
>
>Cheerio,
>
Don't think so - it was the failure to accurately monitor fish migration 
that cocked up the study. The study took place after the fish-pass cills 
where modified to make the torrent less violent.

Nogood Boyo will have the answer if he reads this.
-- 
Bill Grey

"W. D. Grey"  wrote in message 
news:kTENyvB9fIlGFwvK@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
> In article , Derek Moody 
>  writes
>>In article , W. D. Grey
>><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
>>> too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen
>>
>>Is there a counter on the river?
>>
>>Cheerio,
>>
> Don't think so - it was the failure to accurately monitor fish migration 
> that cocked up the study. The study took place after the fish-pass cills 
> where modified to make the torrent less violent.
>
> Nogood Boyo will have the answer if he reads this.

As far as I am aware here is no fish counter, fish were trapped or seine 
netted and tagged with combined acoustic and radio tags then tracked by a 
combination of sonar bouys and radio trackers.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 at 12:58:34 in uk.rec.fishing.game suspicious minds 
wrote:
>
>"W. D. Grey"  wrote in message
>news:kTENyvB9fIlGFwvK@graigroad.demon.co.uk...
>> In article , Derek Moody
>>  writes
>>>In article , W. D. Grey
>>><URL:mailto:Bill@graigroad.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
>>>> too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen
>>>
>>>Is there a counter on the river?
>>>
>>>Cheerio,
>>>
>> Don't think so - it was the failure to accurately monitor fish migration
>> that cocked up the study. The study took place after the fish-pass cills
>> where modified to make the torrent less violent.
>>
>> Nogood Boyo will have the answer if he reads this.
>
>As far as I am aware here is no fish counter, fish were trapped or seine
>netted and tagged with combined acoustic and radio tags then tracked by a
>combination of sonar bouys and radio trackers.
>
Hmmm...  someone who knows his stuff...

There is no counter.  Apparently traditional counters don't work well in 
salt water.  And the barrage location means that all sorts of things 
pass by...

There were tagging and tracking studies as described (before and after 
construction) to monitor migration.  They showed that fish weren't using 
the pass and didn't like going over the top either (when it was topped 
by the tide).  But they were never able to tag as many fish as they 
wanted to for a convincing study and some wondered whether a fish that 
had a cigar sized tag shoved inside it would behave normally anyway...

There was also a later attempt to use other electronic gadgets and video 
but they don't seem to have been successful.

Some mods were made to the fish pass but by then funds for proper 
monitoring had petered out.

At the moment most of those who fished for sewin before the construction 
are convinced the sewin runs have gone.  Some people s