OK, its not a car, but it's also not a van.

I am talking about a Danbury VW type 2. Which is basically the old shape 
VW campervan, but made NEW in Brazil, with a watercooled engine, then 
shipped over here and modified to meet UK requirements, etc.

Danbury go to great lengths to confirm this is a new vehicle.

I have contacted Danbury - because I couldn't find any MPG or CO2 
figures on their website.

They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new water-cooled 
VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40 miles to the gallon. 
CO2 emissions have yet to be published.

Should all new vehicles on sale in the UK have a 'published' MPG and CO2 
figures, or do some type of vehicles have exemptions?

Thanks

-- 
Clive

We don't die, we just stop paying taxes.

Clive Sinclair  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> Should all new vehicles on sale in the UK have a 'published' MPG and CO2
> figures, or do some type of vehicles have exemptions?

Yep, there do appear to be exemptions for very low production stuff.

Clive Sinclair wrote:

> OK, its not a car, but it's also not a van.
>
> I am talking about a Danbury VW type 2. Which is basically the old shape
> VW campervan, but made NEW in Brazil, with a watercooled engine, then
> shipped over here and modified to meet UK requirements, etc.
>
> Danbury go to great lengths to confirm this is a new vehicle.
>
> I have contacted Danbury - because I couldn't find any MPG or CO2
> figures on their website.
>
> They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new water-cooled
> VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40 miles to the gallon.
> CO2 emissions have yet to be published.
>
> Should all new vehicles on sale in the UK have a 'published' MPG and CO2
> figures, or do some type of vehicles have exemptions?

Well to be honest, from the mpg you can pretty easily calculate the
equivalent CO2 figure. It's not rocket science.

40 mpg sounds good to me.

Graham

"Eeyore"  wrote in message 
news:48E35A5B.4251A4EA@hotmail.com...
>
>
> Clive Sinclair wrote:
>
>> OK, its not a car, but it's also not a van.
>>
>> I am talking about a Danbury VW type 2. Which is basically the old shape
>> VW campervan, but made NEW in Brazil, with a watercooled engine, then
>> shipped over here and modified to meet UK requirements, etc.
>>
>> Danbury go to great lengths to confirm this is a new vehicle.
>>
>> I have contacted Danbury - because I couldn't find any MPG or CO2
>> figures on their website.
>>
>> They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new water-cooled
>> VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40 miles to the gallon.
>> CO2 emissions have yet to be published.
>>
>> Should all new vehicles on sale in the UK have a 'published' MPG and CO2
>> figures, or do some type of vehicles have exemptions?
>
> Well to be honest, from the mpg you can pretty easily calculate the
> equivalent CO2 figure. It's not rocket science.
>
> 40 mpg sounds good to me.

The family had one in the 70's and early 80's and used to only get about 
25mpg tops, nearer 22mpg on average. That was with the 1.7 petrol engine. 
I'm very impressed if they now claim 40mpg.

OG wrote:
> "Eeyore"  wrote in message 
> news:48E35A5B.4251A4EA@hotmail.com...
>>
>> Clive Sinclair wrote:
>>
>>> OK, its not a car, but it's also not a van.
>>>
>>> I am talking about a Danbury VW type 2. Which is basically the old shape
>>> VW campervan, but made NEW in Brazil, with a watercooled engine, then
>>> shipped over here and modified to meet UK requirements, etc.
>>>
>>> Danbury go to great lengths to confirm this is a new vehicle.
>>>
>>> I have contacted Danbury - because I couldn't find any MPG or CO2
>>> figures on their website.
>>>
>>> They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new water-cooled
>>> VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40 miles to the gallon.
>>> CO2 emissions have yet to be published.
>>>
>>> Should all new vehicles on sale in the UK have a 'published' MPG and CO2
>>> figures, or do some type of vehicles have exemptions?
>> Well to be honest, from the mpg you can pretty easily calculate the
>> equivalent CO2 figure. It's not rocket science.
>>
>> 40 mpg sounds good to me.
> 
> The family had one in the 70's and early 80's and used to only get about 
> 25mpg tops, nearer 22mpg on average. That was with the 1.7 petrol engine. 
> I'm very impressed if they now claim 40mpg.
> 
> 
> 
I was pleased to see a figure of 40mpg. I plan on using it for a tour of 
europe lasting 6-9 months.

I loooked at a rebuilt 70's model and found the low mpg a bit of a shock 
- didn't expect it to be that bad.

-- 
Clive

We don't die, we just stop paying taxes.

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:08:36 +0100, "OG" 
wrote:

>
>"Eeyore"  wrote in message 
>news:48E35A5B.4251A4EA@hotmail.com...
>>
>>
>> Clive Sinclair wrote:
>>
>>> OK, its not a car, but it's also not a van.
>>>
>>> I am talking about a Danbury VW type 2. Which is basically the old shape
>>> VW campervan, but made NEW in Brazil, with a watercooled engine, then
>>> shipped over here and modified to meet UK requirements, etc.
>>>
>>> Danbury go to great lengths to confirm this is a new vehicle.
>>>
>>> I have contacted Danbury - because I couldn't find any MPG or CO2
>>> figures on their website.
>>>
>>> They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new water-cooled
>>> VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40 miles to the gallon.
>>> CO2 emissions have yet to be published.
>>>
>>> Should all new vehicles on sale in the UK have a 'published' MPG and CO2
>>> figures, or do some type of vehicles have exemptions?
>>
>> Well to be honest, from the mpg you can pretty easily calculate the
>> equivalent CO2 figure. It's not rocket science.
>>
>> 40 mpg sounds good to me.
>
>The family had one in the 70's and early 80's and used to only get about 
>25mpg tops, nearer 22mpg on average. That was with the 1.7 petrol engine. 
>I'm very impressed if they now claim 40mpg.
>
>

Nothing like the same engine - it's currently a Polo engine, I think.

-- 

Ian D

Clive Sinclair  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

>>>> They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new
>>>> water-cooled VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40
>>>> miles to the gallon. CO2 emissions have yet to be published.

>> The family had one in the 70's and early 80's and used to only get
>> about 25mpg tops, nearer 22mpg on average. That was with the 1.7 petrol
>> engine. I'm very impressed if they now claim 40mpg.

> I was pleased to see a figure of 40mpg.

I'd be amazed if it's even vaguely possible under any conditions than a 
straight flat motorway at a relatively low speed cruise. Probably with a 
tail-wind.

They're clearly not official figures, presumably under a similar volume 
exemption to the CO2 figure.

> I loooked at a rebuilt 70's model and found the low mpg a bit of a shock
> - didn't expect it to be that bad.

God knows why not. It's a heavy underpowered low-tech beast with the 
aerodynamics of a barn.

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:6kh8k4F7spqbU1@mid.individual.net...
> Clive Sinclair  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying:
>
>>>>> They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new
>>>>> water-cooled VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40
>>>>> miles to the gallon. CO2 emissions have yet to be published.
>
>>> The family had one in the 70's and early 80's and used to only get
>>> about 25mpg tops, nearer 22mpg on average. That was with the 1.7 petrol
>>> engine. I'm very impressed if they now claim 40mpg.
>
>> I was pleased to see a figure of 40mpg.
>
> I'd be amazed if it's even vaguely possible under any conditions than a
> straight flat motorway at a relatively low speed cruise. Probably with a
> tail-wind.
>
> They're clearly not official figures, presumably under a similar volume
> exemption to the CO2 figure.
>
>> I loooked at a rebuilt 70's model and found the low mpg a bit of a shock
>> - didn't expect it to be that bad.
>
> God knows why not. It's a heavy underpowered low-tech beast with the
> aerodynamics of a barn.

I think you mean "With the drag coeffiecent of a Lamborghini Countach". Not 
the same frontal area mind...

"Doki"  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>>> I loooked at a rebuilt 70's model and found the low mpg a bit of a
>>> shock - didn't expect it to be that bad.

>> God knows why not. It's a heavy underpowered low-tech beast with the
>> aerodynamics of a barn.

> I think you mean "With the drag coeffiecent of a Lamborghini Countach".

It's not quite THAT bad.

Clive Sinclair  wrote:

> OK, its not a car, but it's also not a van.
> 
> I am talking about a Danbury VW type 2. Which is basically the old shape
> VW campervan, but made NEW in Brazil, with a watercooled engine, then
> shipped over here and modified to meet UK requirements, etc.
> 
> Danbury go to great lengths to confirm this is a new vehicle.
> 
> I have contacted Danbury - because I couldn't find any MPG or CO2 
> figures on their website.
> 
> They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new water-cooled
> VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40 miles to the gallon.
> CO2 emissions have yet to be published.
> 
> Should all new vehicles on sale in the UK have a 'published' MPG and CO2
> figures, or do some type of vehicles have exemptions?

They're importing them and putting them through an SVA test, which
results in a tax band of 'PLG', or £185 / year.

My 56 plate 156 was brought in and SVA tested, so I only pay £185 tax,
rather than the £300-ish it would cost if you'd bought the same car from
a franchised dealer.


-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed
Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS

Ian Dalziel wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:08:36 +0100, "OG" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Eeyore"  wrote in message
>> news:48E35A5B.4251A4EA@hotmail.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Clive Sinclair wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, its not a car, but it's also not a van.
>>>>
>>>> I am talking about a Danbury VW type 2. Which is basically the old
>>>> shape VW campervan, but made NEW in Brazil, with a watercooled
>>>> engine, then shipped over here and modified to meet UK
>>>> requirements, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Danbury go to great lengths to confirm this is a new vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> I have contacted Danbury - because I couldn't find any MPG or CO2
>>>> figures on their website.
>>>>
>>>> They responded pretty quick with 40MPG with, "the brand new
>>>> water-cooled VW Type 2 Campervans, you will typically achieve 40
>>>> miles to the gallon. CO2 emissions have yet to be published.
>>>>
>>>> Should all new vehicles on sale in the UK have a 'published' MPG
>>>> and CO2 figures, or do some type of vehicles have exemptions?
>>>
>>> Well to be honest, from the mpg you can pretty easily calculate the
>>> equivalent CO2 figure. It's not rocket science.
>>>
>>> 40 mpg sounds good to me.
>>
>> The family had one in the 70's and early 80's and used to only get
>> about 25mpg tops, nearer 22mpg on average. That was with the 1.7
>> petrol engine. I'm very impressed if they now claim 40mpg.
>>
>>
>
> Nothing like the same engine - it's currently a Polo engine, I think.

Yes, it's a 1.6 Polo engine from the 90s, rear mounted with the rad at the 
front and quite an ugly grill.- can't mount the spare there. Practical 
Classics tested one a few months ago and said it was ok, and the performance 
was stunning compared to the original, with interesting handling to boot - 
more than double the power of the original, but with little else done to the 
underpinnings :-)

MIke P