On 30 Sep, 16:15, g...@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:48:41 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard
>
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>  wrote:
> >On 29 Sep, 10:42, g...@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
> >> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:20:45 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard
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> >>  wrote:
> >> >On 28 Sep, 19:54, g...@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard
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> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >On 25 Sep, 14:39, g...@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:07:49 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard
> >> >> >> >On 25 Sep, 10:54, g...@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
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> >> >> >> >You are the one saying these limits aren't in the policy and you only
> >> >> >> >find out when you check - however you've yet to show even one policy
> >> >> >> >or name one company which doesn't clearly specify geographical limits.
> >> >> >> >We're waiting....is there a problem?
>
> >> >> >> Keep waiting. =A0I'll tell you if there's a problem.-
>
> >> >> >We're still waiting for your example of a standard motor policy with
> >> >> >no specified geographical limits. Can you point us to one.
>
> >> >> No specified geographical limits for what?
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> >> >You were the one who raised the issue. So absolutely no evidence for
> >> >you claim then - but we knew that.
>
> >> Remind me - which issue?- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> >Check back on thread - you can provide no evidence, therefore, as in
> >court, you lose.
>
> That's not much of a cross-examination.  You lose.- Hide quoted text -
>
 No, because if you have no evidence to support a ludicrous claim,
then you lose sunbeam.

Toom

Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
     just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking 
about having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend 
was reading her book whilst I was driving.

He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"

me "no, not really"

"that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"

me "don't be silly"

"I ensure you my friend I'm not, your not allowed to drive with it on. 
Can you please turn it off"

me "I'm not in motion now"

"when you are in motion can you please turn it off"

me "yes"

"have a nice evenin"

me "mumbles tosser in my mind"

what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth 
to that or just a bored copper ?

I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did 
think maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and 
was working and thought was possible.

A total waste of time.

On 30 Sep 2008 at 22:56, Maxi wrote:
> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the
> a316 just after the current road works pulled over and got a
> bollocking about having the little white light on above the rear door.
> My friend was reading her book whilst I was driving.
>
> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"

I'll sleep safer in my bed tonight knowing that the police are getting
to the heart of the country's crime problem!

What a dickhead!

Coming soon to a street near you: reading-light cameras... reading
lights kill, and the latest infrared "safety" camera technology will
help police make the roads safer by issuing a £60 fine + 3 points to
anyone caught in this deadly practice.

Then a little while after that, we'll have serial drink-driver Alastair
Stewart giving us prissy little lectures on the dangers of reading
lights on primetime TV.

Honestly, what is this country coming to?

"Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to 
> that or just a bored copper ?
>
> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did think 
> maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and was 
> working and thought was possible.

The policeman is correct, all internal lights should be off when the car is 
moving. They should only be used when the car is stationary.

"Road_Hog"  wrote in message 
news:gbv2ln$3cs$1@energise.enta.net...
>
> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to 
>> that or just a bored copper ?
>>
>> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did 
>> think maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and 
>> was working and thought was possible.
>
> The policeman is correct, all internal lights should be off when the car 
> is moving. They should only be used when the car is stationary.

Eh? I've been in umpteen cars with map lights which give a bit of a glow to 
the passenger side, and big cars often have specific reading lamps which 
cannot be see from the rear of the car as they're usually some sort of 
spotlamp or are louvred to avoid light spillage.

"Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about 
> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was 
> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>
> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>
> me "no, not really"
>
> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>

You aren't allowed to display white lights to the rear of your car unless 
it's a reversing light , but I very much doubt that a small interior light 
in the back would be visible like this.
Sounds like the police officer was being a jobsworth tit
-- 
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:gbv787$vrh$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
>> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
>> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about 
>> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was 
>> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>>
>> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>>
>> me "no, not really"
>>
>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>>
>
> You aren't allowed to display white lights to the rear of your car unless 
> it's a reversing light , but I very much doubt that a small interior light 
> in the back would be visible like this.
> Sounds like the police officer was being a jobsworth tit
> -- 
> Alex
>
> "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"
>
> www.drzoidberg.co.uk


I thought it was illegal to have any interior light on when driving.  This 
more to do with the internal light actually illuminating the "inside" of the 
car (nothing to do with reversing light thingie) as this prevents the driver 
from seeing any cars in the rear view mirror. ie driver looks in RVM but 
sees white light rather than the car behind because of the white light 
"blanket" between RVM and rear screen window.

"Frank Incense"  wrote in message 
news:1222850390.18450.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:gbv787$vrh$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
>>> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
>>> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about 
>>> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was 
>>> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>>>
>>> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>>>
>>> me "no, not really"
>>>
>>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
>>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>>>
>>
>> You aren't allowed to display white lights to the rear of your car unless 
>> it's a reversing light , but I very much doubt that a small interior 
>> light in the back would be visible like this.
>> Sounds like the police officer was being a jobsworth tit
>> -- 
>> Alex
>>
>> "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"
>>
>> www.drzoidberg.co.uk
>
>
> I thought it was illegal to have any interior light on when driving.

There is no such offence.



-- 
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

"Frank Incense"  wrote in message 
news:1222850390.18450.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:gbv787$vrh$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
>>> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
>>> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about 
>>> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was 
>>> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>>>
>>> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>>>
>>> me "no, not really"
>>>
>>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
>>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>>>
>>
>> You aren't allowed to display white lights to the rear of your car unless 
>> it's a reversing light , but I very much doubt that a small interior 
>> light in the back would be visible like this.
>> Sounds like the police officer was being a jobsworth tit
>> -- 
>> Alex
>>
>> "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"
>>
>> www.drzoidberg.co.uk
>
>
> I thought it was illegal to have any interior light on when driving.  This 
> more to do with the internal light actually illuminating the "inside" of 
> the car (nothing to do with reversing light thingie) as this prevents the 
> driver from seeing any cars in the rear view mirror. ie driver looks in 
> RVM but sees white light rather than the car behind because of the white 
> light "blanket" between RVM and rear screen window.

Whether illegal or not, there is no doubt that a light on inside a car (or a 
room) restricts the ability of a person inside that car (or room) to see 
outside.  Stand in your living room tonight when it's dark, and with the 
main light on and look out the window. What can you see? Very little. Turn 
the light off and it's a different matter. Surely anything that reduces the 
ability of a driver to maximise his vision outside of the car is a road 
safety issue?

Ret.

Maxi wrote:

> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316
> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking
> about having the little white light on above the rear door.

What kind of light is that ?

Showing a white light to the rear IS an offence.

Graham

Keith wrote:

> Then a little while after that, we'll have serial drink-driver Alastair
> Stewart giving us prissy little lectures on the dangers of reading
> lights on primetime TV.

Oh I was so impressed when the police pulled over a Cavalier and found a
torn rubber ball joint cover. They're notorious for it.  Had several
replaced myself.

What did dear Alastair say ? He said "the axle was broken". UTTER TWAT. He
should be banned from TV.

Graham

Road_Hog wrote:

> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
> > "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
> > motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
> > what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to
> > that or just a bored copper ?
> >
> > I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did think
> > maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and was
> > working and thought was possible.
>
> The policeman is correct, all internal lights should be off when the car is
> moving. They should only be used when the car is stationary.

Reading lights for rear passengers ? That point forwards and illuminate the
cabin only ? My Saab has them.

Graham

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
> > Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316
> > just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about
> > having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was
> > reading her book whilst I was driving.
> >
> > He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
> >
> > me "no, not really"
> >
> > "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
> > motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>
> You aren't allowed to display white lights to the rear of your car

Absolutely !

I got pulled over once for a slightly broken lens on a friend's rear lights.
They were fine about it though, explained,  and just said 'get it fixed'.


> unless it's a reversing light , but I very much doubt that a small interior
> light
> in the back would be visible like this.
> Sounds like the police officer was being a jobsworth tit

Sounds increasingly like it and more disturbingly means he doesn't know the
law.

Graham

Frank Incense wrote:

> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote
> > "Maxi"  wrote
> >> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316
> >> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about
> >> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was
> >> reading her book whilst I was driving.
> >>
> >> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
> >>
> >> me "no, not really"
> >>
> >> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
> >> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
> >>
> >
> > You aren't allowed to display white lights to the rear of your car unless
> > it's a reversing light , but I very much doubt that a small interior light
> > in the back would be visible like this.
> > Sounds like the police officer was being a jobsworth tit
> >
> > "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"
> >
> > www.drzoidberg.co.uk
>
> I thought it was illegal to have any interior light on when driving.  This
> more to do with the internal light actually illuminating the "inside" of the
> car (nothing to do with reversing light thingie) as this prevents the driver
> from seeing any cars in the rear view mirror. ie driver looks in RVM but
> sees white light rather than the car behind because of the white light
> "blanket" between RVM and rear screen window.

I'll check my Saab manual. It has twin 'reading lights' in the rear at either
side and a focussed white overhead light (like in aircraft) for map reading and
the like in the front. Plus the usual interior light.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:
> 
> Maxi wrote:
> 
>> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316
>> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking
>> about having the little white light on above the rear door.
> 
> What kind of light is that ?
> 
> Showing a white light to the rear IS an offence.
> 
> Graham
> 

Its a bog standard manufacturer fitted light, above the rear door on a 
mk4 golf tdi.

I think its some kind of festoon lightbulb all standard and not that 
bright barely enough to read.

I'm shocked at all the posts saying its illegal. Currently googling for 
the specially legal literature out of interest.

Hardly worht pulling someone over and making them feel like a crook though.

Anyway light went right back on after he left :-) ... for the further 10 
mins home on an empty road.

If people are too stupid to mistake a reading light for a reversing 
light of a cars that going forward they should not drive.

Perhaps I should put a read bulb in it ? would that be acceptable ?

Although it would make the rear of the golf look like a porn wagon methinks.

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

> "Frank Incense"  wrote in message
>
> > I thought it was illegal to have any interior light on when driving.
>
> There is no such offence.

Bloody right too or they shouldn't fit them.

I can find no cautions about the use of reading lights in my Saab manual.

Graham

Maxi wrote:
> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
>     just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking 
> about having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend 
> was reading her book whilst I was driving.
> 
> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
> 
> me "no, not really"
> 
> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
> 
> me "don't be silly"
> 
> "I ensure you my friend I'm not, your not allowed to drive with it on. 
> Can you please turn it off"
> 
> me "I'm not in motion now"
> 
> "when you are in motion can you please turn it off"
> 
> me "yes"
> 
> "have a nice evenin"
> 
> me "mumbles tosser in my mind"
> 
> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth 
> to that or just a bored copper ?
> 
> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did 
> think maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and 
> was working and thought was possible.
> 
> A total waste of time.

No visible rear white light should be visible whilst the vehicle is in 
motion. unless the light is a reversing light and the vehicle is reversing.

That goes for tail lights with a broken cover, or badly placed number 
plate light, etc.

-- 
Clive

We don't die, we just stop paying taxes.

Eeyore wrote:
> 
> Road_Hog wrote:
> 
>> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
>>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
>>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>>> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to
>>> that or just a bored copper ?
>>>
>>> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did think
>>> maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and was
>>> working and thought was possible.
>> The policeman is correct, all internal lights should be off when the car is
>> moving. They should only be used when the car is stationary.
> 
> Reading lights for rear passengers ? That point forwards and illuminate the
> cabin only ? My Saab has them.
> 
> Graham
> 
> 

Bang on. The reading lights for the rear passenger on one side was on.

I left it on when I parked got out and had a look and couldn't see it 
from the outside. Stood in many different positions barely visible. As 
its sort of mounted just before the door frame bits curves up 
resitrcting overspill I guess, so hardly a lot of light"

Eeyore wrote:
> 
> Frank Incense wrote:
> 
>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote
>>> "Maxi"  wrote
>>>> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316
>>>> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about
>>>> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was
>>>> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>>>>
>>>> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>>>>
>>>> me "no, not really"
>>>>
>>>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
>>>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>>>>
>>> You aren't allowed to display white lights to the rear of your car unless
>>> it's a reversing light , but I very much doubt that a small interior light
>>> in the back would be visible like this.
>>> Sounds like the police officer was being a jobsworth tit
>>>
>>> "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"
>>>
>>> www.drzoidberg.co.uk
>> I thought it was illegal to have any interior light on when driving.  This
>> more to do with the internal light actually illuminating the "inside" of the
>> car (nothing to do with reversing light thingie) as this prevents the driver
>> from seeing any cars in the rear view mirror. ie driver looks in RVM but
>> sees white light rather than the car behind because of the white light
>> "blanket" between RVM and rear screen window.
> 
> I'll check my Saab manual. It has twin 'reading lights' in the rear at either
> side and a focussed white overhead light (like in aircraft) for map reading and
> the like in the front. Plus the usual interior light.
> 
> Graham
> 
> 

Mins has the front map lights aswell overhead. I guess in that officers 
eyes thats fine as it at the fornt of the vehicle.

I wonder if my sat nav is a problem at in night visions its setup to 
show my routes in red and blue ok I'm being pathetic as the copper now lol.

Eeyore wrote:
> 
> Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> 
>> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
>>> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316
>>> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about
>>> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was
>>> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>>>
>>> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>>>
>>> me "no, not really"
>>>
>>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
>>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>> You aren't allowed to display white lights to the rear of your car
> 
> Absolutely !
> 
> I got pulled over once for a slightly broken lens on a friend's rear lights.
> They were fine about it though, explained,  and just said 'get it fixed'.
> 
> 
>> unless it's a reversing light , but I very much doubt that a small interior
>> light
>> in the back would be visible like this.
>> Sounds like the police officer was being a jobsworth tit
> 
> Sounds increasingly like it and more disturbingly means he doesn't know the
> law.
> 
> Graham
> 

I think he was just a jobsworth. He looked about five minutes old tbh. 
Idiot triped on my own foot walking back to his plod mobile.

A waste of time in my opinion.

Perhaps some limo tints in the rear and then lights on lol.

Maxi wrote:

> Eeyore wrote:
> > Road_Hog wrote:
> >> "Maxi"  wrote
> >>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
> >>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
> >>> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to
> >>> that or just a bored copper ?
> >>>
> >>> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did think
> >>> maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and was
> >>> working and thought was possible.
> >> The policeman is correct, all internal lights should be off when the car is
> >> moving. They should only be used when the car is stationary.
> >
> > Reading lights for rear passengers ? That point forwards and illuminate the
> > cabin only ? My Saab has them.
>
> Bang on. The reading lights for the rear passenger on one side was on.
>
> I left it on when I parked got out and had a look and couldn't see it
> from the outside. Stood in many different positions barely visible. As
> its sort of mounted just before the door frame bits curves up
> resitrcting overspill I guess, so hardly a lot of light"

AFAIK, you were totally in the right.

You didn't get the PC's badge number did you. You could probably ask for it.

He needs re-education and taking off trafpol duty.

Graham

On Oct 1, 11:18 am, Eeyore 
wrote:
> Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> > "Frank Incense"  wrote in message
>
> > > I thought it was illegal to have any interior light on when driving.
>
> > There is no such offence.
>
> Bloody right too or they shouldn't fit them.
>
> I can find no cautions about the use of reading lights in my Saab manual.

Does it caution against heating the cigar lighter and sticking it on
the end of your knob?

MBQ

"Ret."  wrote in message 
news:ndidnai5zdzY2n7VRVnyhQA@pipex.net...
> Whether illegal or not, there is no doubt that a light on inside a car (or 
> a room) restricts the ability of a person inside that car (or room) to see 
> outside.  Stand in your living room tonight when it's dark, and with the 
> main light on and look out the window. What can you see? Very little.

Now sit in the lounge , with your car outside and the headlights 
illuminating the road.
Then turn on a low powered pocket torch behind you and see if it makes any 
noticable difference.

That's a more accurate comparison unless you have a very high powered 
interior light and drive round with your headlights off.

> Turn the light off and it's a different matter. Surely anything that 
> reduces the ability of a driver to maximise his vision outside of the car 
> is a road safety issue?
>
That would also include a small sticker on a window , sunglasses on an 
average day , etc , etc



-- 
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

On Sep 30, 11:56 pm, Maxi  wrote:
> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316
>      just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking
> about having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend
> was reading her book whilst I was driving.
>
> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>
> me "no, not really"
>
> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>
> me "don't be silly"
>
> "I ensure you my friend I'm not, your not allowed to drive with it on.
> Can you please turn it off"
>
> me "I'm not in motion now"
>
> "when you are in motion can you please turn it off"
>
> me "yes"
>
> "have a nice evenin"
>
> me "mumbles tosser in my mind"
>
> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth
> to that or just a bored copper ?
>
> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did
> think maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and
> was working and thought was possible.
>
> A total waste of time.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_3.htm#(Tii)iicolourlightshownlampreflector

PART II


REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE FITTING OF LAMPS, REFLECTORS, REAR MARKINGS
AND DEVICES
Colour of light shown by lamps and reflectors
    11.—(1)  No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable
of showing a red light to the front, except-


(a)  a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red and white
segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire service
control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an emergency;


(b)  a side marker lamp or a side retro reflector;


(c)  retro reflective material or a retro reflector designed primarily
to reflect light to one or both sides of the vehicle and attached to
or incorporated in any wheel or tyre of-


(i)  a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;


(ii)  a solo motor bicycle or a motor bicycle combination; or


(iii)  an invalid carriage; or


(d)  a traffic sign.

    (2)  No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of
showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-


(a)  amber light from a direction indicator or side marker lamp;


(b)  white light from a reversing lamp;


(c)  white light from a work lamp;


(d)  light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;


(e)  light from an illuminated rear registration plate;


(f)  light for the purposes of illuminating a taxi meter;


(g)  in the case of a bus, light for the purposes of illuminating a
route indicator;


(h)  blue light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to
a police control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an
emergency;


(i)  white light from a red and white chequered domed lamp, or a red
and white segmented mast-mounted warning beacon, fitted to a fire
service control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an
emergency;


(j)  green light and white light from a chequered domed lamp fitted to
an ambulance control vehicle and intended for use at the scene of an
emergency;


(k)  blue light from a warning beacon or rear special warning lamp
fitted to an emergency vehicle, or from any device fitted to a vehicle
used for police purposes;


(l)  amber light from a warning beacon fitted to-


(i)  a road clearance vehicle;


(ii)  a vehicle constructed or adapted for the purpose of collecting
refuse;


(iii)  a breakdown vehicle;


(iv)  a vehicle having a maximum speed not exceeding 25 mph or any
trailer drawn by such a vehicle;


(v)  a vehicle having an overall width (including any load) exceeding
2.9 m;


(vi)  a vehicle used for the purposes of testing, maintaining,
improving, cleansing or watering roads or for any purpose incidental
to any such use;


(vii)  a vehicle used for the purpose of inspecting, cleansing,
maintaining, adjusting, renewing or installing any apparatus which is
in, on, under or over a road, or for any purpose incidental to any
such use;


(viii)  a vehicle used for or in connection with any purpose for which
it is authorised to be used on roads by an order under section 44 of
the Act;


(ix)  a vehicle used for escort purposes when travelling at a speed
not exceeding 25 mph;


(x)  a vehicle used by the Commissioners of Customs and Excise for the
purpose of testing fuels;


(xi)  a vehicle used for the purpose of surveying;


(xii)  a vehicle used for the removal or immobilisation of vehicles in
exercise of a statutory power or duty;


(m)  green light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle used by a
medical practitioner registered by the General Medical Council
(whether with full, provisional or limited registration);


(n)  yellow light from a warning beacon fitted to a vehicle for use at
airports;


(o)  light of any colour from a traffic sign which is attached to a
vehicle;


(p)  reflected light from amber pedal retro reflectors;


(q)  reflected light of any colour from retro reflective material or a
retro reflector designed primarily to reflect light to one or both
sides of the vehicle and attached to or incorporated in any wheel or
tyre of-


(i)  a pedal cycle and any sidecar attached to it;


(ii)  a solo motor bicycle or motor bicycle combination; or


(iii)  an invalid carriage;


(r)  reflected light from amber retro reflective material on a road
clearance vehicle;


(s)  reflected light from yellow retro reflective registration plates;


(t)  reflected light from yellow retro reflective material
incorporated in a rear marking of a type specified in Part I Section B
of Schedule 19 and fitted to-


(i)  a motor vehicle having a maximum gross weight exceeding 7500 kg;


(ii)  a motor vehicle first used before 1st August 1982 having an
unladen weight exceeding 3000 kg;


(iii)  a trailer having a maximum gross weight exceeding 3500 kg;


(iv)  a trailer manufactured before 1st August 1982 having an unladen
weight exceeding 1000 kg;


(v)  a trailer which forms part of a combination of vehicles one of
which is of a type mentioned in a previous item of this sub-paragraph;


(vi)  a load carried by any vehicle; or


(u)  reflected light from orange retro reflective material
incorporated in a sign fitted to the rear of a vehicle carrying a
dangerous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances
(Conveyance by Road in Road Tankers and Tank Containers) Regulations
1981[16] or the Road Traffic (Carriage of Dangerous Substances in
Packages etc) Regulations 1986[17]

Nkosi@Work

Nkosi wrote:

>     (2)  No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of
> showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-
>
> (d)  light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;

Get that PC's number (they are obliged to tell you this) and have him walk the beat for 6 months
!

Graham

"Eeyore"  wrote in message 
news:48E36D5A.87AF9AD4@hotmail.com...
>
>
> Nkosi wrote:
>
>>     (2)  No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of
>> showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-
>>
>> (d)  light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;
>
> Get that PC's number (they are obliged to tell you this)

No they aren't. Not in these circumstances

> and have him walk the beat for 6 months

On what grounds?


-- 
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

"Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about 
> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was 
> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>
> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>
> me "no, not really"
>
> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>
> me "don't be silly"
>
> "I ensure you my friend I'm not, your not allowed to drive with it on. Can 
> you please turn it off"
>
> me "I'm not in motion now"
>
> "when you are in motion can you please turn it off"
>
> me "yes"
>
> "have a nice evenin"
>
> me "mumbles tosser in my mind"
>
> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to 
> that or just a bored copper ?
>
> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did think 
> maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and was 
> working and thought was possible.
>
> A total waste of time.
>

You may not like it but the plods correct. Did you know a vehicle will fail 
an aMoT test if it shows a white light from the rear while not engaged in 
reverse gear?
And I hope him picking drivers up on more little things like this will make 
them think twice about even bigger things.

McK.
McK.

Road_Hog  wrote:

> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
> > "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
> > motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
> > what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to
> > that or just a bored copper ?
> >
> > I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did think
> > maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and was
> > working and thought was possible.
> 
> The policeman is correct, all internal lights should be off when the car is
> moving. They should only be used when the car is stationary. 

My old Daimler had reading lights in the back. And whenever I have been
passed on the M4 by cabinet ministers in Daimlers/Jags they have had the
reading lights switched on at night, and they are surrounded by plod.

I do realise one law for them, another for us.

And I do realise that it is illegal to show a white light to the rear,
but as far as I was aware that only applied to the light clusters not to
internal illumination.

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

> "Eeyore"  wrote
> > Nkosi wrote:
> >
> >>     (2)  No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of
> >> showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-
> >>
> >> (d)  light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;
> >
> > Get that PC's number (they are obliged to tell you this)
>
> No they aren't. Not in these circumstances

I think they are in ANY circumstances.


> > and have him walk the beat for 6 months
>
> On what grounds?

Incompetence.

Graham

Steve Firth wrote:

> Road_Hog  wrote:
> > "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
> > > "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
> > > motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
> > > what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to
> > > that or just a bored copper ?
> > >
> > > I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did think
> > > maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and was
> > > working and thought was possible.
> >
> > The policeman is correct, all internal lights should be off when the car is
> > moving. They should only be used when the car is stationary.
>
> My old Daimler had reading lights in the back. And whenever I have been
> passed on the M4 by cabinet ministers in Daimlers/Jags they have had the
> reading lights switched on at night, and they are surrounded by plod.
>
> I do realise one law for them, another for us.
>
> And I do realise that it is illegal to show a white light to the rear,
> but as far as I was aware that only applied to the light clusters not to
> internal illumination.

Correct.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:
> 
> Maxi wrote:
> 
>> Eeyore wrote:
>>> Road_Hog wrote:
>>>> "Maxi"  wrote
>>>>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in
>>>>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>>>>> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to
>>>>> that or just a bored copper ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did think
>>>>> maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and was
>>>>> working and thought was possible.
>>>> The policeman is correct, all internal lights should be off when the car is
>>>> moving. They should only be used when the car is stationary.
>>> Reading lights for rear passengers ? That point forwards and illuminate the
>>> cabin only ? My Saab has them.
>> Bang on. The reading lights for the rear passenger on one side was on.
>>
>> I left it on when I parked got out and had a look and couldn't see it
>> from the outside. Stood in many different positions barely visible. As
>> its sort of mounted just before the door frame bits curves up
>> resitrcting overspill I guess, so hardly a lot of light"
> 
> AFAIK, you were totally in the right.
> 
> You didn't get the PC's badge number did you. You could probably ask for it.
> 
> He needs re-education and taking off trafpol duty.
> 
> Graham
> 
> 

I did actually, for the "just in case". I think I'll give the met a call 
tommorow and make a complaint.

Eeyore  wrote:

> > And I do realise that it is illegal to show a white light to the rear,
> > but as far as I was aware that only applied to the light clusters not to
> > internal illumination.
> 
> Correct.

If it is, and I'm not dogmatic enough to assert that it is, then it
wouldn't be the first time that plod have got it wrong about car
lighting regulations.

They had a big downer on green and blue lights being shown on the front
of cars a few years ago. Then they found that they had been persecuting
drivers illegally (only illegal if flashing, not if steady
illumination).

In article <e6ba2888-aa20-4497-afad-
41fb3b5be69b@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, manatbandq@hotmail.com 
says...
> On Oct 1, 11:18 am, Eeyore 
> wrote:
> > Dr Zoidberg wrote:
> > > "Frank Incense"  wrote in message
> >
> > > > I thought it was illegal to have any interior light on when driving> > > There is no such offence.
> >
> > Bloody right too or they shouldn't fit them.
> >
> > I can find no cautions about the use of reading lights in my Saab manual.
> 
> Does it caution against heating the cigar lighter and sticking it on
> the end of your knob?
> 
> MBQ
> 
It's a swedish car. The swedes are very liberated. I will need to check 
mine, they might even recommend it.
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In article <F8IEk.65057$E41.40503@text.news.virginmedia.com>, 
clive@cs.com says...
> 
> That goes for tail lights with a broken cover, or badly placed number 
> plate light, etc.
> 
What about interior lights, satnav and mobile phone illumination?
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In article <t7OEk.1415$8B1.1033@newsfe29.ams2>, me@here.com says...
> Did you know a vehicle will fail 
> an aMoT test if it shows a white light from the rear while not engaged in 
> reverse gear?
> 
> 
Did you know that an MOT tester won't switch on an interior light to see 
if it is visible from the rear of the vehicle.
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"C. U. Jimmy"  wrote in message 
news:t7OEk.1415$8B1.1033@newsfe29.ams2...
>
> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
>> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
>> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about 
>> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was 
>> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>>
>> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>>
>> me "no, not really"
>>
>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>>
>> me "don't be silly"
>>
>> "I ensure you my friend I'm not, your not allowed to drive with it on. 
>> Can you please turn it off"
>>
>> me "I'm not in motion now"
>>
>> "when you are in motion can you please turn it off"
>>
>> me "yes"
>>
>> "have a nice evenin"
>>
>> me "mumbles tosser in my mind"
>>
>> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth to 
>> that or just a bored copper ?
>>
>> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did 
>> think maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and 
>> was working and thought was possible.
>>
>> A total waste of time.
>>
>
> You may not like it but the plods correct. Did you know a vehicle will 
> fail an aMoT test if it shows a white light from the rear while not 
> engaged in reverse gear?
> And I hope him picking drivers up on more little things like this will 
> make them think twice about even bigger things.
>

Thankfully, you're wrong.  Why would you pretend you knew when you didn't?

""http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1989/Uksi_19891796_en_3.htm#(Tii)iicolourlightshownlampreflector

PART II

REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE FITTING OF LAMPS, REFLECTORS, REAR MARKINGS
AND DEVICES
Colour of light shown by lamps and reflectors

>     (2)  No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of
> showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-
>
> (d)  light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;""


-- 
Dan B

"DanB"  wrote in message 
news:6kick6F837nhU1@mid.individual.net...
> "C. U. Jimmy"  wrote in message 
> news:t7OEk.1415$8B1.1033@newsfe29.ams2...
>>
>> "Maxi"  wrote in message news:gbuarq$5v1$1@aioe.org...
>>> Done absolutely nothing wrong so I thought. 7.34pm driving down the a316 
>>> just after the current road works pulled over and got a bollocking about 
>>> having the little white light on above the rear door. My friend was 
>>> reading her book whilst I was driving.
>>>
>>> He was saying "I bet you know why I pulled you over"
>>>
>>> me "no, not really"
>>>
>>> "that little white light on in the rear shouldn't be when the cars in 
>>> motion, as someone might mistake it for a reverse light"
>>>
>>> me "don't be silly"
>>>
>>> "I ensure you my friend I'm not, your not allowed to drive with it on. 
>>> Can you please turn it off"
>>>
>>> me "I'm not in motion now"
>>>
>>> "when you are in motion can you please turn it off"
>>>
>>> me "yes"
>>>
>>> "have a nice evenin"
>>>
>>> me "mumbles tosser in my mind"
>>>
>>> what the heck was that about. I've never heard of such bull. Any truth 
>>> to that or just a bored copper ?
>>>
>>> I knew I hadn't done everything wrong, cars tip top as always. I did 
>>> think maybe a light blew out. I did check everything before i left and 
>>> was working and thought was possible.
>>>
>>> A total waste of time.
>>>
>>
>> You may not like it but the plods correct. Did you know a vehicle will 
>> fail an aMoT test if it shows a white light from the rear while not 
>> engaged in reverse gear?
>> And I hope him picking drivers up on more little things like this will 
>> make them think twice about even bigger things.
>>
>
> Thankfully, you're wrong.  Why would you pretend you knew when you didn't?
>

Habit?

-- 
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

"
> REGULATIONS GOVERNING THE FITTING OF LAMPS, REFLECTORS, REAR MARKINGS
> AND DEVICES
> Colour of light shown by lamps and reflectors
>
>>     (2)  No vehicle shall be fitted with a lamp which is capable of
>> showing any light to the rear, other than a red light, except-
>>
>> (d)  light to illuminate the interior of a vehicle;""
>
> -- 
> Dan B

So you can turn the light on?
BB