Not my car I can assure you :-)

A friend has just bought a car with a few days tax remaining and an 8 
month MOT, but unfortunately with absolutely no documentation with it.

How does he go about sorting the mess out please?

First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the MOT was 
done.

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Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

"Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in 
message news:mn.bc867d89ddc4b03d.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
> Not my car I can assure you :-)
>
> A friend has just bought a car with a few days tax remaining 
> and an 8 month MOT, but unfortunately with absolutely no 
> documentation with it.
>
> How does he go about sorting the mess out please?
>
> First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the 
> MOT was done.

If I were in his position I'd forget about trying to get a copy 
of the MOT.
If you have insurance you can tax it online, without the MOT 
certificate itself as the MOT record should be in the database.
Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier than 
trying to get a copy of the MOT certificate.
Mike.

Mike G laid this down on his screen :
> "Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in message 
> news:mn.bc867d89ddc4b03d.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
>> Not my car I can assure you :-)
>>
>> A friend has just bought a car with a few days tax remaining and an 8 month 
>> MOT, but unfortunately with absolutely no documentation with it.
>>
>> How does he go about sorting the mess out please?
>>
>> First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the MOT was 
>> done.
>
> If I were in his position I'd forget about trying to get a copy of the MOT.
> If you have insurance you can tax it online, without the MOT certificate 
> itself as the MOT record should be in the database.
> Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier than trying to get a 
> copy of the MOT certificate.
> Mike.

How do you do that, I thought you needed a reference number from the 
renewal form?

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Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:25:40 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
 wrote:


>
>How do you do that, I thought you needed a reference number from the 
>renewal form?

You do.

But the seller will only have received that in the last 2/3 weeks if
there's a few days tax left. Is it certain it's lost?

Derek

On 2008-09-23, Mike G  wrote:
>
> If I were in his position I'd forget about trying to get a copy 
> of the MOT.
> If you have insurance you can tax it online, without the MOT 
> certificate itself as the MOT record should be in the database.
> Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier than 
> trying to get a copy of the MOT certificate.

It didn't cost any more when I taxed mine on line last month.
Why should it?

-- 
David Taylor

Derek Geldard formulated on Tuesday :
> You do.
>
> But the seller will only have received that in the last 2/3 weeks if
> there's a few days tax left. Is it certain it's lost?

I thought so.

The seller, a garage, said the safe had been either broken into or 
taken away (not sure which) with all of the documentation in it gone.

Is there any other way to get hold of that reference number - ring DVLA 
as the new owner perhaps?



-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

"Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in 
message news:mn.bcc97d89a7079c8c.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
> Mike G laid this down on his screen :
>> "Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in 
>> message news:mn.bc867d89ddc4b03d.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
>>> Not my car I can assure you :-)
>>>
>>> A friend has just bought a car with a few days tax remaining 
>>> and an 8 month MOT, but unfortunately with absolutely no 
>>> documentation with it.
>>>
>>> How does he go about sorting the mess out please?
>>>
>>> First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where 
>>> the MOT was done.
>>
>> If I were in his position I'd forget about trying to get a 
>> copy of the MOT.
>> If you have insurance you can tax it online, without the MOT 
>> certificate itself as the MOT record should be in the 
>> database.
>> Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier than 
>> trying to get a copy of the MOT certificate.
>> Mike.
>
> How do you do that, I thought you needed a reference number 
> from the renewal form?

You don't. You can do it using the 'logbook', by entering the 
Reg'n No and the Document Reference Number from it.
I know that is the case as I recently taxed my car without the 
reminder or MOT certificate.
Mike.

"David Taylor"  wrote in message 
news:slrngdih2r.5tc.davidt-news@outcold.yadt.co.uk...
> On 2008-09-23, Mike G  wrote:
>>
>> If I were in his position I'd forget about trying to get a 
>> copy
>> of the MOT.
>> If you have insurance you can tax it online, without the MOT
>> certificate itself as the MOT record should be in the 
>> database.
>> Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier than
>> trying to get a copy of the MOT certificate.
>
> It didn't cost any more when I taxed mine on line last month.
> Why should it?

It costs an extra £2.50 if you use a Credit Card. Nothing extra 
if you pay by Debit Card, Which I assume is how you paid.
Mike.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:51:44 +0100, "Mike G" 
wrote:


>>> If I were in his position I'd forget about trying to get a 
>>> copy of the MOT.
>>> If you have insurance you can tax it online, without the MOT 
>>> certificate itself as the MOT record should be in the 
>>> database.
>>> Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier than 
>>> trying to get a copy of the MOT certificate.
>>> Mike.
>>
>> How do you do that, I thought you needed a reference number 
>> from the renewal form?
>
>You don't. You can do it using the 'logbook', by entering the 
>Reg'n No and the Document Reference Number from it.
>I know that is the case as I recently taxed my car without the 
>reminder or MOT certificate.

I took it that was lost.

Derek

Mike G wrote :
> You don't. You can do it using the 'logbook', by entering the Reg'n No and 
> the Document Reference Number from it.
> I know that is the case as I recently taxed my car without the reminder or 
> MOT certificate.

He has no documentation at all.

-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

"Derek Geldard"  wrote in message 
news:ddiid45c3ipm493v006785rijgeloj2gfo@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:51:44 +0100, "Mike G" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> If I were in his position I'd forget about trying to get a
>>>> copy of the MOT.
>>>> If you have insurance you can tax it online, without the MOT
>>>> certificate itself as the MOT record should be in the
>>>> database.
>>>> Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier 
>>>> than
>>>> trying to get a copy of the MOT certificate.
>>>> Mike.
>>>
>>> How do you do that, I thought you needed a reference number
>>> from the renewal form?
>>
>>You don't. You can do it using the 'logbook', by entering the
>>Reg'n No and the Document Reference Number from it.
>>I know that is the case as I recently taxed my car without the
>>reminder or MOT certificate.
>
> I took it that was lost.

Yup. In the couple of weeks between receiving the reminder and 
the tax running out, it went walkies. Turned up a few days later.
Mike.

"Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in message 
news:mn.bc867d89ddc4b03d.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
> Not my car I can assure you :-)
>
> A friend has just bought a car with a few days tax remaining and an 8 
> month MOT, but unfortunately with absolutely no documentation with it.
>
> How does he go about sorting the mess out please?
>
> First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the MOT was 
> done.

Can he even prove title to the car? To buy a car without seeing the V5 (I 
know, that shows registered keeper, not necessarily owner) was surely the 
first mistake.

"Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in 
message news:mn.bce97d89b2dbe667.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
> Mike G wrote :
>> You don't. You can do it using the 'logbook', by entering the 
>> Reg'n No and the Document Reference Number from it.
>> I know that is the case as I recently taxed my car without the 
>> reminder or MOT certificate.
>
> He has no documentation at all.

In that case I think he's stuffed, until he's confirmed as the 
current owner, and registered as such, so he can be sent a 
duplicate reg'n document.
Forget the MOT certificate, even if he had it, he still couldn't 
tax the car, and AFAIK he can't tax it online until it's 
registered in his name at the DVLA.
Mike.

Graculus pretended :
> Can he even prove title to the car? To buy a car without seeing the V5 (I 
> know, that shows registered keeper, not necessarily owner) was surely the 
> first mistake.

Only a receipt for the sum paid and the registration number from the 
garage - hence the smiley in my original post.

-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On 2008-09-23, Harry Bloomfield  wrote:
> Mike G wrote :
>> You don't. You can do it using the 'logbook', by entering the Reg'n No and 
>> the Document Reference Number from it.
>> I know that is the case as I recently taxed my car without the reminder or 
>> MOT certificate.
>
> He has no documentation at all.

Even if he somehow found the reference, he couldn't tax it online.

The DVLA would send the tax disc to the registered keeper's address.

-- 
David Taylor

On 2008-09-23, Mike G  wrote:
> "David Taylor"  wrote in message 
> news:slrngdih2r.5tc.davidt-news@outcold.yadt.co.uk...
>> On 2008-09-23, Mike G  wrote:
>>> Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier than
>>> trying to get a copy of the MOT certificate.
>>
>> It didn't cost any more when I taxed mine on line last month.
>> Why should it?
>
> It costs an extra £2.50 if you use a Credit Card. Nothing extra 
> if you pay by Debit Card, Which I assume is how you paid.

Ah, right.  I knew that, but didn't really consider that a cost of
paying online, just a cost of paying by credit card.  You can't
pay by credit card at the post office, at any price.

-- 
David Taylor

Harry Bloomfield  gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

> A friend has just bought a car with a few days tax remaining and an 8
> month MOT, but unfortunately with absolutely no documentation with it.

Not even a V5?

> How does he go about sorting the mess out please?

First get a V5. He'll need to apply to DVLA, and it costs about £20.

> First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the MOT was
> done.

Just get it re-tested.

Harry Bloomfield  gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:

>> Can he even prove title to the car? To buy a car without seeing the V5
>> (I know, that shows registered keeper, not necessarily owner) was
>> surely the first mistake.

> Only a receipt for the sum paid and the registration number from the
> garage - hence the smiley in my original post.

He'd better hope it's not hooky, then...

G'wan - what and how much?

"David Taylor"  wrote in message 
news:slrngdinuj.aoo.davidt-news@outcold.yadt.co.uk...
> On 2008-09-23, Harry Bloomfield 
>  wrote:
>> Mike G wrote :
>>> You don't. You can do it using the 'logbook', by entering the 
>>> Reg'n No and
>>> the Document Reference Number from it.
>>> I know that is the case as I recently taxed my car without 
>>> the reminder or
>>> MOT certificate.
>>
>> He has no documentation at all.
>
> Even if he somehow found the reference, he couldn't tax it 
> online.

I know.
My reply was in answer to Harry's question about taxing a car 
without the reference number from the renewal reminder
Mike.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:34:11 +0000 (UTC), David Taylor
 wrote:

>On 2008-09-23, Mike G  wrote:
>> "David Taylor"  wrote in message 
>> news:slrngdih2r.5tc.davidt-news@outcold.yadt.co.uk...
>>> On 2008-09-23, Mike G  wrote:
>>>> Costs a little more to tax it that way, but a lot easier than
>>>> trying to get a copy of the MOT certificate.
>>>
>>> It didn't cost any more when I taxed mine on line last month.
>>> Why should it?
>>
>> It costs an extra £2.50 if you use a Credit Card. Nothing extra 
>> if you pay by Debit Card, Which I assume is how you paid.
>
>Ah, right.  I knew that, but didn't really consider that a cost of
>paying online, just a cost of paying by credit card.  You can't
>pay by credit card at the post office, at any price.

Not even a Post Office credit card.

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:18:45 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
 wrote:

>Not my car I can assure you :-)
>
>A friend has just bought a car with a few days tax remaining and an 8 
>month MOT, but unfortunately with absolutely no documentation with it.
>
>How does he go about sorting the mess out please?
>
>First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the MOT was 
>done.

How does he know there's a 8-month MOT?

"Graz"  wrote in message 
news:48d9d898.7521968@news.motzarella.org...
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:18:45 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
>  wrote:
>
>>Not my car I can assure you :-)
>>
>>A friend has just bought a car with a few days tax remaining and an 8
>>month MOT, but unfortunately with absolutely no documentation with it.
>>
>>How does he go about sorting the mess out please?
>>
>>First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the MOT was
>>done.
>
> How does he know there's a 8-month MOT?
>

If he had document reference number from the V5C, he could check it on the 
Vosa site. Not sure if the DVLA would have it/give it to him.

http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/internet/jsp/ECHID-Internet-History-Request.jsp

"Road_Hog"  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

>>>First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the MOT was
>>>done.

>> How does he know there's a 8-month MOT?

> If he had document reference number from the V5C, he could check it on
> the Vosa site. Not sure if the DVLA would have it/give it to him.

He doesn't have the V5C, remember? It's gone walkies, too.

A slightly more obvious answer is that the sticker in the windscreen says 
there's eight months MOT left...

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:6ju83fF5343mU5@mid.individual.net...
 Not sure if the DVLA would have it/give it to him.
>
> He doesn't have the V5C, remember? It's gone walkies, too.
>

What part of, "not sure if the DVLA would have it/give it to him" did you 
not understand?

In article , Adrian says...
> "Road_Hog"  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying:
> 
> >>>First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where the MOT was
> >>>done.
> 
> >> How does he know there's a 8-month MOT?
> 
> > If he had document reference number from the V5C, he could check it on
> > the Vosa site. Not sure if the DVLA would have it/give it to him.
> 
> He doesn't have the V5C, remember? It's gone walkies, too.
> 
> A slightly more obvious answer is that the sticker in the windscreen says 
> there's eight months MOT left...
> 
And on that sticker should be a reference number which might be of some 
use for getting a replacement certificate.

-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Conor  gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

>> A slightly more obvious answer is that the sticker in the windscreen
>> says there's eight months MOT left...

> And on that sticker should be a reference number which might be of some
> use for getting a replacement certificate.

Indeed - but we all know what a 4-month old MOT of dubious history is 
worth...

Adrian used his keyboard to write :
> Harry Bloomfield  gurgled happily,
> sounding much like they were saying:
>
>>> Can he even prove title to the car? To buy a car without seeing the V5
>>> (I know, that shows registered keeper, not necessarily owner) was
>>> surely the first mistake.
>
>> Only a receipt for the sum paid and the registration number from the
>> garage - hence the smiley in my original post.
>
> He'd better hope it's not hooky, then...
>
> G'wan - what and how much?

1.6 16v Astra Y reg I believe, with some superficial damage, 102K and 
very clean.

-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

Graz used his keyboard to write :
> How does he know there's a 8-month MOT?

He was provided with a print out of the details from the DVLA (I 
think).

-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

"Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in message 
news:mn.c3d07d89fbd12318.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...

>>
>> G'wan - what and how much?
>
> 1.6 16v Astra Y reg I believe, with some superficial damage, 102K and very 
> clean.
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
> http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

That's a lot of fucking money for 7/8 year old car, I don't remember them 
costing that much new.

Road_Hog used his keyboard to write :
> "Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in message 
> news:mn.c3d07d89fbd12318.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk...
>
>>>
>>> G'wan - what and how much?
>>
>> 1.6 16v Astra Y reg I believe, with some superficial damage, 102K and very 
>> clean.
>>
>> -- Regards,
>>        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
>> http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk
>
> That's a lot of fucking money for 7/8 year old car, I don't remember them 
> costing that much new.

102K miles. I think he ended up paying 1.1K pounds for it, sorry :-)

-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:6jufieF56pmfU1@mid.individual.net...
> In article , Adrian says...
>> "Road_Hog"  gurgled happily, sounding much 
>> like they
>> were saying:
>>
>> >>>First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where 
>> >>>the MOT was
>> >>>done.
>>
>> >> How does he know there's a 8-month MOT?
>>
>> > If he had document reference number from the V5C, he could 
>> > check it on
>> > the Vosa site. Not sure if the DVLA would have it/give it to 
>> > him.
>>
>> He doesn't have the V5C, remember? It's gone walkies, too.
>>
>> A slightly more obvious answer is that the sticker in the 
>> windscreen says
>> there's eight months MOT left...
>>
> And on that sticker should be a reference number which might be 
> of some
> use for getting a replacement certificate.

There little point in getting a copy of the MOT certificate. It 
should be recorded on the DVLA database, so if he has current 
insurance and the original or copy V5C it can be taxed on line.
Mike.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:40:31 +0100, "Mike G" 
wrote:

>
>"Conor"  wrote in message 
>news:6jufieF56pmfU1@mid.individual.net...
>> In article , Adrian says...
>>> "Road_Hog"  gurgled happily, sounding much 
>>> like they
>>> were saying:
>>>
>>> >>>First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know where 
>>> >>>the MOT was
>>> >>>done.
>>>
>>> >> How does he know there's a 8-month MOT?
>>>
>>> > If he had document reference number from the V5C, he could 
>>> > check it on
>>> > the Vosa site. Not sure if the DVLA would have it/give it to 
>>> > him.
>>>
>>> He doesn't have the V5C, remember? It's gone walkies, too.
>>>
>>> A slightly more obvious answer is that the sticker in the 
>>> windscreen says
>>> there's eight months MOT left...
>>>
>> And on that sticker should be a reference number which might be 
>> of some
>> use for getting a replacement certificate.
>
>There little point in getting a copy of the MOT certificate. It 
>should be recorded on the DVLA database, so if he has current 
>insurance and the original or copy V5C it can be taxed on line.

So if he gets a producer he can refer plod to the DVLA database?

"Graz"  wrote in message 
news:48db5813.105692890@news.motzarella.org...
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:40:31 +0100, "Mike G" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Conor"  wrote in message
>>news:6jufieF56pmfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> In article , Adrian 
>>> says...
>>>> "Road_Hog"  gurgled happily, sounding 
>>>> much
>>>> like they
>>>> were saying:
>>>>
>>>> >>>First he needs a copy of the MOT and he does not know 
>>>> >>>where
>>>> >>>the MOT was
>>>> >>>done.
>>>>
>>>> >> How does he know there's a 8-month MOT?
>>>>
>>>> > If he had document reference number from the V5C, he could
>>>> > check it on
>>>> > the Vosa site. Not sure if the DVLA would have it/give it 
>>>> > to
>>>> > him.
>>>>
>>>> He doesn't have the V5C, remember? It's gone walkies, too.
>>>>
>>>> A slightly more obvious answer is that the sticker in the
>>>> windscreen says
>>>> there's eight months MOT left...
>>>>
>>> And on that sticker should be a reference number which might 
>>> be
>>> of some
>>> use for getting a replacement certificate.
>>
>>There little point in getting a copy of the MOT certificate. It
>>should be recorded on the DVLA database, so if he has current
>>insurance and the original or copy V5C it can be taxed on line.
>
> So if he gets a producer he can refer plod to the DVLA 
> database?

They'll probably check in any case.
In the numorous TV police car progs, they don't seem to give 
producers if the insurance, MOT, and tax are confirmed as in 
order on the ANPR database.

AFAIK you have to pay for a copy MOT certificate, so why waste 
time and money getting a copy, when the chances are that it'll 
never be needed. In 8 months time he'll need a new MOT cerificate 
anyway.
Mike.