On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:47:02 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:

>On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:35:12 +0100, "M............"
> wrote:
>
>>Following up to Graz  
>>
>>> And yet when they engage in their sport of choice, they're physically
>>> active.  As opposed to sitting in a tight F1 cockpit, being barely
>>> able to move.
>>
>>so your single "valid" objection to F1 is that you don't exercise as you do
>>it. Fine. So just say "I wouldn't do F1 because I want to do a sport where
>>you exercise as you do it". 
>
>I can do better than that:
>Any "sport" in which you don't exercise while you're doing it isn't a
>sport.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/moslive/article-1024235/Drivers-Anatomy-The-200-mph-workout.html

"It's one of the world's most physically demanding sports - now Live
dissects the anatomy of the ultimate F1 machine: the driver"

"A typical F1 driver’s body-fat percentage is just seven, equivalent
to that of an elite marathon runner"

"F1 drivers can sweat out up to three litres of fluid during the
hottest races"

"Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s. The adrenaline
released just sitting on the grid raises his heart rate to around
150bpm"

Following up to Ed Chilada  

> "Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
> A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s.

thats as much proof as any sensible person needs.
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:14:16 +0100, Ed Chilada 
wrote:

>On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:47:02 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:35:12 +0100, "M............"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Following up to Graz  
>>>
>>>> And yet when they engage in their sport of choice, they're physically
>>>> active.  As opposed to sitting in a tight F1 cockpit, being barely
>>>> able to move.
>>>
>>>so your single "valid" objection to F1 is that you don't exercise as you do
>>>it. Fine. So just say "I wouldn't do F1 because I want to do a sport where
>>>you exercise as you do it". 
>>
>>I can do better than that:
>>Any "sport" in which you don't exercise while you're doing it isn't a
>>sport.
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/moslive/article-1024235/Drivers-Anatomy-The-200-mph-workout.html
>
>"It's one of the world's most physically demanding sports - now Live
>dissects the anatomy of the ultimate F1 machine: the driver"
>
>"A typical F1 driver’s body-fat percentage is just seven, equivalent
>to that of an elite marathon runner"
>
>"F1 drivers can sweat out up to three litres of fluid during the
>hottest races"
>
>"Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s. The adrenaline
>released just sitting on the grid raises his heart rate to around
>150bpm"

Daily Mail???  LOL

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:27:11 +0100, "M............"
 wrote:

>Following up to Ed Chilada  
>
>> "Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>> A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s.
>
>thats as much proof as any sensible person needs.

A dead person's heart ticks over in the mid-zeros.  What does that
prove?

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:02:44 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:14:16 +0100, Ed Chilada 
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:47:02 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:35:12 +0100, "M............"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Following up to Graz  
>>>>
>>>>> And yet when they engage in their sport of choice, they're physically
>>>>> active.  As opposed to sitting in a tight F1 cockpit, being barely
>>>>> able to move.
>>>>
>>>>so your single "valid" objection to F1 is that you don't exercise as you do
>>>>it. Fine. So just say "I wouldn't do F1 because I want to do a sport where
>>>>you exercise as you do it". 
>>>
>>>I can do better than that:
>>>Any "sport" in which you don't exercise while you're doing it isn't a
>>>sport.
>>
>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/moslive/article-1024235/Drivers-Anatomy-The-200-mph-workout.html
>>
>>"It's one of the world's most physically demanding sports - now Live
>>dissects the anatomy of the ultimate F1 machine: the driver"
>>
>>"A typical F1 driver’s body-fat percentage is just seven, equivalent
>>to that of an elite marathon runner"
>>
>>"F1 drivers can sweat out up to three litres of fluid during the
>>hottest races"
>>
>>"Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>>A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s. The adrenaline
>>released just sitting on the grid raises his heart rate to around
>>150bpm"
>
>Daily Mail???  LOL

Is that the best you could come up with in the face of huge evidence
proving you wrong?


You can find similar stats on many other sites, including:

http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/2672/392/


"Improving a F1 driver's muscular mass and endurance implies a very
localised bodybuilding: any car designer will indeed tell you that the
thinner, the lighter, the better to fit in the tiny F1 car cockpit. It
is then important to develop strength without increasing volume and
weight too much. Some specific muscles groups particularly need to be
developed, one of the most important being without doubt the driver's
neck.  

Some activities are commonly integrated to all drivers fitness
programme:

- indoor activities: running and cycling on machines, weight-lifting
as well as training on special equipment designed to reproduce F1
racing conditions.
- outdoor activities: mountain biking, race cycling, jogging, tennis,
kayak (which is excellent for cardio-vascular training)"

Following up to Graz  

>>> "Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>>> A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s.
>>
>>thats as much proof as any sensible person needs.
> 
> A dead person's heart ticks over in the mid-zeros.  What does that
> prove?

that you are running out of arguments
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:17:24 +0100, "M............"
 wrote:

>Following up to Graz  
>
>>>> "Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>>>> A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s.
>>>
>>>thats as much proof as any sensible person needs.
>> 
>> A dead person's heart ticks over in the mid-zeros.  What does that
>> prove?
>
>that you are running out of arguments

Have you considered the possibility that a "typical F1 driver's" heart
ticks over in the mid-40s because they're a step away from being brain
dead?  Think about it - they spend hours in a hot cockpit getting
dehydrated and as soon as they win they drink...alcohol!

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:16:39 +0100, Ed Chilada 
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:02:44 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:14:16 +0100, Ed Chilada 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:47:02 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:35:12 +0100, "M............"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Following up to Graz  
>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet when they engage in their sport of choice, they're physically
>>>>>> active.  As opposed to sitting in a tight F1 cockpit, being barely
>>>>>> able to move.
>>>>>
>>>>>so your single "valid" objection to F1 is that you don't exercise as you do
>>>>>it. Fine. So just say "I wouldn't do F1 because I want to do a sport where
>>>>>you exercise as you do it". 
>>>>
>>>>I can do better than that:
>>>>Any "sport" in which you don't exercise while you're doing it isn't a
>>>>sport.
>>>
>>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/moslive/article-1024235/Drivers-Anatomy-The-200-mph-workout.html
>>>
>>>"It's one of the world's most physically demanding sports - now Live
>>>dissects the anatomy of the ultimate F1 machine: the driver"
>>>
>>>"A typical F1 driver’s body-fat percentage is just seven, equivalent
>>>to that of an elite marathon runner"
>>>
>>>"F1 drivers can sweat out up to three litres of fluid during the
>>>hottest races"
>>>
>>>"Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>>>A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s. The adrenaline
>>>released just sitting on the grid raises his heart rate to around
>>>150bpm"
>>
>>Daily Mail???  LOL
>
>Is that the best you could come up with in the face of huge evidence
>proving you wrong?
>
>
>You can find similar stats on many other sites, including:
>
>http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/2672/392/

This gets better - a F1 website!  LOL

>
>"Improving a F1 driver's muscular mass and endurance implies a very
>localised bodybuilding: any car designer will indeed tell you that the
>thinner, the lighter, the better to fit in the tiny F1 car cockpit. It
>is then important to develop strength without increasing volume and
>weight too much. Some specific muscles groups particularly need to be
>developed, one of the most important being without doubt the driver's
>neck.  
>
>Some activities are commonly integrated to all drivers fitness
>programme:
>
>- indoor activities: running and cycling on machines, weight-lifting
>as well as training on special equipment designed to reproduce F1
>racing conditions.
>- outdoor activities: mountain biking, race cycling, jogging, tennis,
>kayak (which is excellent for cardio-vascular training)"

Obviously a F1 website isn't going to admit that motor racing is all
about sitting and steering!

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:02:24 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:16:39 +0100, Ed Chilada 
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:02:44 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:14:16 +0100, Ed Chilada 
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:47:02 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:35:12 +0100, "M............"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Following up to Graz  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet when they engage in their sport of choice, they're physically
>>>>>>> active.  As opposed to sitting in a tight F1 cockpit, being barely
>>>>>>> able to move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>so your single "valid" objection to F1 is that you don't exercise as you do
>>>>>>it. Fine. So just say "I wouldn't do F1 because I want to do a sport where
>>>>>>you exercise as you do it". 
>>>>>
>>>>>I can do better than that:
>>>>>Any "sport" in which you don't exercise while you're doing it isn't a
>>>>>sport.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/moslive/article-1024235/Drivers-Anatomy-The-200-mph-workout.html
>>>>
>>>>"It's one of the world's most physically demanding sports - now Live
>>>>dissects the anatomy of the ultimate F1 machine: the driver"
>>>>
>>>>"A typical F1 driver’s body-fat percentage is just seven, equivalent
>>>>to that of an elite marathon runner"
>>>>
>>>>"F1 drivers can sweat out up to three litres of fluid during the
>>>>hottest races"
>>>>
>>>>"Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>>>>A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s. The adrenaline
>>>>released just sitting on the grid raises his heart rate to around
>>>>150bpm"
>>>
>>>Daily Mail???  LOL
>>
>>Is that the best you could come up with in the face of huge evidence
>>proving you wrong?
>>
>>
>>You can find similar stats on many other sites, including:
>>
>>http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/2672/392/
>
>This gets better - a F1 website!  LOL
>
>>
>>"Improving a F1 driver's muscular mass and endurance implies a very
>>localised bodybuilding: any car designer will indeed tell you that the
>>thinner, the lighter, the better to fit in the tiny F1 car cockpit. It
>>is then important to develop strength without increasing volume and
>>weight too much. Some specific muscles groups particularly need to be
>>developed, one of the most important being without doubt the driver's
>>neck.  
>>
>>Some activities are commonly integrated to all drivers fitness
>>programme:
>>
>>- indoor activities: running and cycling on machines, weight-lifting
>>as well as training on special equipment designed to reproduce F1
>>racing conditions.
>>- outdoor activities: mountain biking, race cycling, jogging, tennis,
>>kayak (which is excellent for cardio-vascular training)"
>
>Obviously a F1 website isn't going to admit that motor racing is all
>about sitting and steering!

You claiming that they made all that up? And that the Daily Mail did
too?

What counter evidence do *you* have?

Following up to Graz  

> Have you considered the possibility that a "typical F1 driver's" heart
> ticks over in the mid-40s because they're a step away from being brain
> dead?  Think about it - they spend hours in a hot cockpit getting
> dehydrated and as soon as they win they drink...alcohol!

Ive never considered it, no. They have low rates because they are very fit.
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Following up to Graz  

> Obviously a F1 website isn't going to admit that motor racing is all
> about sitting and steering!

find any website that does.
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:05:48 +0100, "M............"
 wrote:

>Following up to Graz  
>
>> Have you considered the possibility that a "typical F1 driver's" heart
>> ticks over in the mid-40s because they're a step away from being brain
>> dead?  Think about it - they spend hours in a hot cockpit getting
>> dehydrated and as soon as they win they drink...alcohol!
>
>Ive never considered it, no. 

It's the worst possible thing to drink in that situation.  And the
dickheads manage to spill most of it.

>They have low rates because they are very fit.

Or bordering on brain dead.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:33:56 +0100, Ed Chilada 
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:02:24 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:16:39 +0100, Ed Chilada 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:02:44 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:14:16 +0100, Ed Chilada 
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:47:02 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:35:12 +0100, "M............"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Following up to Graz  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet when they engage in their sport of choice, they're physically
>>>>>>>> active.  As opposed to sitting in a tight F1 cockpit, being barely
>>>>>>>> able to move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>so your single "valid" objection to F1 is that you don't exercise as you do
>>>>>>>it. Fine. So just say "I wouldn't do F1 because I want to do a sport where
>>>>>>>you exercise as you do it". 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can do better than that:
>>>>>>Any "sport" in which you don't exercise while you're doing it isn't a
>>>>>>sport.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/moslive/article-1024235/Drivers-Anatomy-The-200-mph-workout.html
>>>>>
>>>>>"It's one of the world's most physically demanding sports - now Live
>>>>>dissects the anatomy of the ultimate F1 machine: the driver"
>>>>>
>>>>>"A typical F1 driver’s body-fat percentage is just seven, equivalent
>>>>>to that of an elite marathon runner"
>>>>>
>>>>>"F1 drivers can sweat out up to three litres of fluid during the
>>>>>hottest races"
>>>>>
>>>>>"Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>>>>>A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s. The adrenaline
>>>>>released just sitting on the grid raises his heart rate to around
>>>>>150bpm"
>>>>
>>>>Daily Mail???  LOL
>>>
>>>Is that the best you could come up with in the face of huge evidence
>>>proving you wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>>You can find similar stats on many other sites, including:
>>>
>>>http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/2672/392/
>>
>>This gets better - a F1 website!  LOL
>>
>>>
>>>"Improving a F1 driver's muscular mass and endurance implies a very
>>>localised bodybuilding: any car designer will indeed tell you that the
>>>thinner, the lighter, the better to fit in the tiny F1 car cockpit. It
>>>is then important to develop strength without increasing volume and
>>>weight too much. Some specific muscles groups particularly need to be
>>>developed, one of the most important being without doubt the driver's
>>>neck.  
>>>
>>>Some activities are commonly integrated to all drivers fitness
>>>programme:
>>>
>>>- indoor activities: running and cycling on machines, weight-lifting
>>>as well as training on special equipment designed to reproduce F1
>>>racing conditions.
>>>- outdoor activities: mountain biking, race cycling, jogging, tennis,
>>>kayak (which is excellent for cardio-vascular training)"
>>
>>Obviously a F1 website isn't going to admit that motor racing is all
>>about sitting and steering!
>
>You claiming that they made all that up? And that the Daily Mail did
>too?

The F1 website is obviously biased.  And the Daily Mail is...the Daily
Mail.

>What counter evidence do *you* have?

Can't you *see* that all these people do is sit and steer?

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:06:14 +0100, "M............"
 wrote:

>Following up to Graz  
>
>> Obviously a F1 website isn't going to admit that motor racing is all
>> about sitting and steering!
>
>find any website that does.

For what purpose?

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:00:59 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:17:24 +0100, "M............"
> wrote:
>
>>Following up to Graz  
>>
>>>>> "Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>>>>> A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s.
>>>>
>>>>thats as much proof as any sensible person needs.
>>> 
>>> A dead person's heart ticks over in the mid-zeros.  What does that
>>> prove?
>>
>>that you are running out of arguments
>
>Have you considered the possibility that a "typical F1 driver's" heart
>ticks over in the mid-40s because they're a step away from being brain
>dead?  Think about it - they spend hours in a hot cockpit getting
>dehydrated

"An on-board drinking bottle with a capacity of up to one litre
carries an electrolyte-rich solution specially tailored to replace
lost salts, in order to maintain brain and muscle function. It’s
connected to a drinking tube in the driver’s helmet"

You telling me that you didn't know that? Really? Sheesh I thought
everyone knew that.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:24:01 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:06:14 +0100, "M............"
> wrote:
>
>>Following up to Graz  
>>
>>> Obviously a F1 website isn't going to admit that motor racing is all
>>> about sitting and steering!
>>
>>find any website that does.
>
>For what purpose?

To prove that you're not just a tit who doesn't know when to stop
digging?

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:14:56 +0100, Ed Chilada 
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:00:59 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:17:24 +0100, "M............"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Following up to Graz  
>>>
>>>>>> "Most mortals have a resting heart rate of around 70bpm. 
>>>>>> A typical F1 driver’s heart ticks over in the mid-40s.
>>>>>
>>>>>thats as much proof as any sensible person needs.
>>>> 
>>>> A dead person's heart ticks over in the mid-zeros.  What does that
>>>> prove?
>>>
>>>that you are running out of arguments
>>
>>Have you considered the possibility that a "typical F1 driver's" heart
>>ticks over in the mid-40s because they're a step away from being brain
>>dead?  Think about it - they spend hours in a hot cockpit getting
>>dehydrated
>
>"An on-board drinking bottle with a capacity of up to one litre
>carries an electrolyte-rich solution specially tailored to replace
>lost salts, in order to maintain brain and muscle function. It’s
>connected to a drinking tube in the driver’s helmet"
>
>You telling me that you didn't know that? Really? Sheesh I thought
>everyone knew that.

One litre?  Do they refill it at pit stops?  LOL

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:15:32 +0100, Ed Chilada 
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:24:01 GMT, graz@gmail.com (Graz) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:06:14 +0100, "M............"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Following up to Graz  
>>>
>>>> Obviously a F1 website isn't going to admit that motor racing is all
>>>> about sitting and steering!
>>>
>>>find any website that does.
>>
>>For what purpose?
>
>To prove that you're not just a tit who doesn't know when to stop
>digging?

Are you one of the speed-obsessed tits on this group?