Hi

Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
avoiding the Snake Pass?  My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!

Cheers and tia

Dave

d@bt.com wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
> avoiding the Snake Pass?  

  Yes, nearly all of the cross-Pennine routes can be recommended.

>My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
> now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!

  Which bit of Sheffield, what time of day/ week ?

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:27:19 +0100, Nick Finnigan 
wrote:

>d@bt.com wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
>> avoiding the Snake Pass?  
>
>  Yes, nearly all of the cross-Pennine routes can be recommended.
>
>>My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
>> now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
>> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!
>
>  Which bit of Sheffield, what time of day/ week ?

Pretty much city centre; this week she set off tea time thursday for
an early meeting friday then  leaving 2.30pm and home at 5.30.  Coming
home she went north on M1 to leeds then picked up M62 to M6 then M56.

Cheers Nick

Dave

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> Hi
>
> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
> avoiding the Snake Pass?  My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
> now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!
>
> Cheers and tia
>
> Dave

There are lots of sites such as www.streetmap.co.uk   you can look at.

d@bt.com gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
> avoiding the Snake Pass?  My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
> now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!

Get her a more fun car.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:35:16 +0100, d@bt.com wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:27:19 +0100, Nick Finnigan 
>wrote:
>
>>d@bt.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
>>> avoiding the Snake Pass?  
>>
>>  Yes, nearly all of the cross-Pennine routes can be recommended.
>>
>>>My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
>>> now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
>>> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!
>>
>>  Which bit of Sheffield, what time of day/ week ?
>
>Pretty much city centre; this week she set off tea time thursday for
>an early meeting friday then  leaving 2.30pm and home at 5.30.  Coming
>home she went north on M1 to leeds then picked up M62 to M6 then M56.
>

Kinda hard to help.

She wouldn't want to cross the Pennines north of the M62 because of
extra distance, although the "best" route in a bad winter before the
M62 was built used to be be via Halifax  - Rochdale.

If the A57 is reckoned toooo - risky then the route over Holme Moss
would be out of the question.

Ashton-under-Lyne > Huddersfield (the so - called "Floating Light"
route, is less so but is built up nearly all the way.

Saddleworth > Huddersfield is within sight of the M62 over most of
it's distance, and sheep are a hazard. 

Best stick to the motorways is the best advice especially if the
weather might be "umpty". Of course if the government had actually
built the motorway from Sheffield to Greater Manchester that would
have been the best option. But, despite Lugless Duhgless Bollen's
frequent assertions that the government is addicted to "Perpetual
Roadbuilding" they didn't, save "niether use nor ornament" bits at the
ends, so it's either take the long way round on the motorways we have
or use a mountainous route built to take 1920s standard traffic.

Derek

Adrian wrote:
> d@bt.com gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
>
>> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
>> avoiding the Snake Pass?  My wife will be doing the run fairly
>> regular now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
>> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!
>
> Get her a more fun car.

Can we be sure it's the car that needs upgrading?

d@bt.com wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:27:19 +0100, Nick Finnigan 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>d@bt.com wrote:
>>
>>>Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
>>>avoiding the Snake Pass?  
>>
>> Yes, nearly all of the cross-Pennine routes can be recommended.
>>
>>
>>>My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
>>>now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
>>>Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!
>>
>> Which bit of Sheffield, what time of day/ week ?
> 
> 
> Pretty much city centre; this week she set off tea time thursday for
> an early meeting friday then  leaving 2.30pm and home at 5.30.  Coming
> home she went north on M1 to leeds then picked up M62 to M6 then M56.

  Getting up to the M62 is massively out of the way. It will take three 
hours, and for city centre Sheffield you could leave the car in Chester.

  I would suggest Woodhead A628 / A616 / A61 as the best quality, 
easiest to follow route which will save time.

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:02:06 +0100, Nick Finnigan 
wrote:

>d@bt.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:27:19 +0100, Nick Finnigan 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>d@bt.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
>>>>avoiding the Snake Pass?  
>>>
>>> Yes, nearly all of the cross-Pennine routes can be recommended.
>>>
>>>
>>>>My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
>>>>now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
>>>>Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!
>>>
>>> Which bit of Sheffield, what time of day/ week ?
>> 
>> 
>> Pretty much city centre; this week she set off tea time thursday for
>> an early meeting friday then  leaving 2.30pm and home at 5.30.  Coming
>> home she went north on M1 to leeds then picked up M62 to M6 then M56.
>
>  Getting up to the M62 is massively out of the way. It will take three 
>hours, and for city centre Sheffield you could leave the car in Chester.
>
>  I would suggest Woodhead A628 / A616 / A61 as the best quality, 
>easiest to follow route which will save time.

Cheers Nick

"Derek"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:35:16 +0100, d@bt.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:27:19 +0100, Nick Finnigan 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>d@bt.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
>>>> avoiding the Snake Pass?
>>>
>>>  Yes, nearly all of the cross-Pennine routes can be recommended.
>>>
>>>>My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
>>>> now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
>>>> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!
>>>
>>>  Which bit of Sheffield, what time of day/ week ?
>>
>>Pretty much city centre; this week she set off tea time thursday for
>>an early meeting friday then  leaving 2.30pm and home at 5.30.  Coming
>>home she went north on M1 to leeds then picked up M62 to M6 then M56.
>>
>
> Kinda hard to help.
>
> She wouldn't want to cross the Pennines north of the M62 because of
> extra distance, although the "best" route in a bad winter before the
> M62 was built used to be be via Halifax  - Rochdale.
>
> If the A57 is reckoned toooo - risky then the route over Holme Moss
> would be out of the question.
>
> Ashton-under-Lyne > Huddersfield (the so - called "Floating Light"
> route, is less so but is built up nearly all the way.
>
> Saddleworth > Huddersfield is within sight of the M62 over most of
> it's distance, and sheep are a hazard.
>
> Best stick to the motorways is the best advice especially if the
> weather might be "umpty". Of course if the government had actually
> built the motorway from Sheffield to Greater Manchester that would
> have been the best option. But, despite Lugless Duhgless Bollen's
> frequent assertions that the government is addicted to "Perpetual
> Roadbuilding" they didn't, save "niether use nor ornament" bits at the
> ends, so it's either take the long way round on the motorways we have
> or use a mountainous route built to take 1920s standard traffic.

It's never going to happen now though. Motorway straight through the middle 
of the world's second most visited national park?

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:45:40 +0100, "Doki"  wrote:

>
>> Best stick to the motorways is the best advice especially if the
>> weather might be "umpty". Of course if the government had actually
>> built the motorway from Sheffield to Greater Manchester that would
>> have been the best option. But, despite Lugless Duhgless Bollen's
>> frequent assertions that the government is addicted to "Perpetual
>> Roadbuilding" they didn't, save "niether use nor ornament" bits at the
>> ends, so it's either take the long way round on the motorways we have
>> or use a mountainous route built to take 1920s standard traffic.
>
>It's never going to happen now though. Motorway straight through the middle 
>of the world's second most visited national park? 

Well they managed to build a motorway from Exeter across the Somerset
Levels (proposed world heritage site status), through the Cotswolds
(the country's largest {not 2nd largest} officially designated 'Area
of Outstanding Natural Beauty'), through/skirting the Lake District
National park (you can see the lakes from the Motorway and vica-versa)
and through the Scottish Borders and up the Clyde Valley to Glasgow,
443 milesin total.

To say that it will be impossible for all eternity to build another 25
miles to join Manchester with Sheffield is just being disingenuous. 

Remember, they didn't build the Aire Valley Motorway either. 

Derek

wrote in message 
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> Hi
>
> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
> avoiding the Snake Pass?  My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
> now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!


Train or coach is what I would recommend for a nervous driver.

-- 
MrBitsy
Rover 75 CDTi

"Nick Finnigan"  wrote in message 
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>  Getting up to the M62 is massively out of the way.

Good option for a nervous driver though.

-- 
MrBitsy
Rover 75 CDTi

"Derek"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:45:40 +0100, "Doki"  wrote:
>
>>
>>> Best stick to the motorways is the best advice especially if the
>>> weather might be "umpty". Of course if the government had actually
>>> built the motorway from Sheffield to Greater Manchester that would
>>> have been the best option. But, despite Lugless Duhgless Bollen's
>>> frequent assertions that the government is addicted to "Perpetual
>>> Roadbuilding" they didn't, save "niether use nor ornament" bits at the
>>> ends, so it's either take the long way round on the motorways we have
>>> or use a mountainous route built to take 1920s standard traffic.
>>
>>It's never going to happen now though. Motorway straight through the 
>>middle
>>of the world's second most visited national park?
>
> Well they managed to build a motorway from Exeter across the Somerset
> Levels (proposed world heritage site status), through the Cotswolds
> (the country's largest {not 2nd largest} officially designated 'Area
> of Outstanding Natural Beauty'), through/skirting the Lake District
> National park (you can see the lakes from the Motorway and vica-versa)
> and through the Scottish Borders and up the Clyde Valley to Glasgow,
> 443 milesin total.
>
> To say that it will be impossible for all eternity to build another 25
> miles to join Manchester with Sheffield is just being disingenuous.
>
> Remember, they didn't build the Aire Valley Motorway either.

I'll put things another way. The field I work in is environment and 
planning, so I know a little about this stuff. You CAN build anything almost 
anywhere if you're willing to throw enough money at it or you're the 
government. As far as designations go, AONB is a long way below National 
Park.

There'd need to be serious demand for a link between the two cities, and I 
can't see it happening as the M62 and A628 are both fairly acceptable ways 
of getting from one place to the other, if not ideal. The terrain would make 
motorway building a very difficult business, and the objections from locals 
and pressure groups would be immense. The EIA would be an absolutely immense 
and costly document - I suspect that almost any route through the Peak 
District would probably hit several SSSIs. I read an EIA for a pipeline that 
was built a few years ago that travelled through numerous designated sites 
in an AONB and it was enormous, and that's for something with zero post 
construction visual impact, noise, or ecological impact.

The other factors are that we just don't seem to be keen on building East - 
West motorways in this country, and that we're not that keen on building 
motorways at all. If we were to start serious roadbuilding again, I suspect 
it would be focused on the south east and the M5 around Brum.

"Derek"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:45:40 +0100, "Doki"  wrote:
>
>>
>>> Best stick to the motorways is the best advice especially if the
>>> weather might be "umpty". Of course if the government had actually
>>> built the motorway from Sheffield to Greater Manchester that would
>>> have been the best option. But, despite Lugless Duhgless Bollen's
>>> frequent assertions that the government is addicted to "Perpetual
>>> Roadbuilding" they didn't, save "niether use nor ornament" bits at the
>>> ends, so it's either take the long way round on the motorways we have
>>> or use a mountainous route built to take 1920s standard traffic.
>>
>>It's never going to happen now though. Motorway straight through the 
>>middle
>>of the world's second most visited national park?
>
> Well they managed to build a motorway from Exeter across the Somerset
> Levels (proposed world heritage site status), through the Cotswolds
> (the country's largest {not 2nd largest} officially designated 'Area
> of Outstanding Natural Beauty'), through/skirting the Lake District
> National park (you can see the lakes from the Motorway and vica-versa)
> and through the Scottish Borders and up the Clyde Valley to Glasgow,
> 443 milesin total.

And of course, when did they build that? Back in the good old days when you 
could build anything anywhere...

MrBitsy wrote:
> "Nick Finnigan"  wrote in message 
> news:g9b235$g4a$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> 
>>  Getting up to the M62 is massively out of the way.
> 
> 
> Good option for a nervous driver though.

  Only in the North West would nervous drivers prefer motorways.
In other areas you get used to driving on SC NSL trunk roads.

On 2008-08-29, Adrian  wrote:
> d@bt.com gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
>
>> Can anyone recommend other routes from the Chester area to Sheffield
>> avoiding the Snake Pass?  My wife will be doing the run fairly regular
>> now and isn't too keen on the views offered by the Snake
>> Pass...'specially with the winter months fast approaching!
>
> Get her a more fun car.

http://www.bowler-offroad.com/nemesis.htm

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