On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:46:51 +0100, "Brimstone"
 wrote:

>MrBitsy wrote:
>> "Brimstone"  wrote in message
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>>> MrBitsy wrote:
>>>> "Brimstone"  wrote in message
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>>>>> MrBitsy wrote:
>>>>>> "DavidR"  wrote in message
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>>>>>>> "MrBitsy"  wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I moved ahead when the road ahead of the crossing was clear AND
>>>>>>>> the lights
>>>>>>>> were still green for road traffic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You didn't answer the question. Did you move merely to catch up
>>>>>>> with vehicles waiting at the roundabout? The light is still
>>>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You still miss the point entirely - person soft and car hard -
>>>>>> this fact for the logical thinker should be a warning to make
>>>>>> allowances for the mistakes of others. I would never put myself
>>>>>> in front of a car sitting at a green light, IF there is a
>>>>>> possibility of that car moving at some point.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you're happy to drive through people who do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course not.
>>>
>>> So you didn't move off from rest through a stream of people crossing
>>> the road in front of you?
>>
>> No, I moved forward slowly, proceeding once the crossing was clear.
>
>Thus you moved off from rest through (i.e. after bullying them into 
>stopping) a stream of people crossing in front of you. 

Ray has specifically said that he proceeded once the crossing was
clear.  I interpret that to mean that he started moving when there was
nobody crossing.

Steve in Herts wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:46:51 +0100, "Brimstone"
>  wrote:
>
>> MrBitsy wrote:
>>> "Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>> news:lMidnbz3_exzgBHVnZ2dnUVZ8s_inZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> MrBitsy wrote:
>>>>> "Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:zpqdnQavavc8HhbVnZ2dnUVZ8umdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>> MrBitsy wrote:
>>>>>>> "DavidR"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:6f0sf4F8gcjuU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> "MrBitsy"  wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I moved ahead when the road ahead of the crossing was clear
>>>>>>>>> AND the lights
>>>>>>>>> were still green for road traffic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You didn't answer the question. Did you move merely to catch up
>>>>>>>> with vehicles waiting at the roundabout? The light is still
>>>>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You still miss the point entirely - person soft and car hard -
>>>>>>> this fact for the logical thinker should be a warning to make
>>>>>>> allowances for the mistakes of others. I would never put myself
>>>>>>> in front of a car sitting at a green light, IF there is a
>>>>>>> possibility of that car moving at some point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you're happy to drive through people who do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not.
>>>>
>>>> So you didn't move off from rest through a stream of people
>>>> crossing the road in front of you?
>>>
>>> No, I moved forward slowly, proceeding once the crossing was clear.
>>
>> Thus you moved off from rest through (i.e. after bullying them into
>> stopping) a stream of people crossing in front of you.
>
> Ray has specifically said that he proceeded once the crossing was
> clear.  I interpret that to mean that he started moving when there was
> nobody crossing.

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=6ekfp2F7itt1U1@mid.individual.net

Quote:-
I had another example today - approached a crossing with the light green for
me. I stopped before the crossing, because there was not enough room ahead
to clear it. People started to cross because they all assumed the light had
changed for them. It was they who started moaning when I moved forward as
the queue ahead cleared - at least five cars behind me passed the crossing
before the lights changed.

No, I didn't attempt to run them over, rev the engine, sound the horn or any
other daft assumption you likely will make.
End quote.

Nothing there about moving off only after the pedestrians had cleared the 
crossing, note especially the line, "It was they who started moaning when I 
moved forward as the queue ahead cleared". The indication is that Ray had to 
persuade people to allow him through

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:42:17 +0100, "Brimstone"
 wrote:

>Steve in Herts wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:46:51 +0100, "Brimstone"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> MrBitsy wrote:
>>>> "Brimstone"  wrote in message
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>>>>> MrBitsy wrote:
>>>>>> "Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:zpqdnQavavc8HhbVnZ2dnUVZ8umdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>> MrBitsy wrote:
>>>>>>>> "DavidR"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:6f0sf4F8gcjuU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> "MrBitsy"  wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I moved ahead when the road ahead of the crossing was clear
>>>>>>>>>> AND the lights
>>>>>>>>>> were still green for road traffic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You didn't answer the question. Did you move merely to catch up
>>>>>>>>> with vehicles waiting at the roundabout? The light is still
>>>>>>>>> irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You still miss the point entirely - person soft and car hard -
>>>>>>>> this fact for the logical thinker should be a warning to make
>>>>>>>> allowances for the mistakes of others. I would never put myself
>>>>>>>> in front of a car sitting at a green light, IF there is a
>>>>>>>> possibility of that car moving at some point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you're happy to drive through people who do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course not.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you didn't move off from rest through a stream of people
>>>>> crossing the road in front of you?
>>>>
>>>> No, I moved forward slowly, proceeding once the crossing was clear.
>>>
>>> Thus you moved off from rest through (i.e. after bullying them into
>>> stopping) a stream of people crossing in front of you.
>>
>> Ray has specifically said that he proceeded once the crossing was
>> clear.  I interpret that to mean that he started moving when there was
>> nobody crossing.
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=6ekfp2F7itt1U1@mid.individual.net
>
>Quote:-
>I had another example today - approached a crossing with the light green for
>me. I stopped before the crossing, because there was not enough room ahead
>to clear it. People started to cross because they all assumed the light had
>changed for them. It was they who started moaning when I moved forward as
>the queue ahead cleared - at least five cars behind me passed the crossing
>before the lights changed.
>
>No, I didn't attempt to run them over, rev the engine, sound the horn or any
>other daft assumption you likely will make.
>End quote.
>
>Nothing there about moving off only after the pedestrians had cleared the 
>crossing, note especially the line, "It was they who started moaning when I 
>moved forward as the queue ahead cleared". The indication is that Ray had to 
>persuade people to allow him through 

Ok, fair enough!