Hi,

I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't afford 
lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood but you do 
get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've only held a 
license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. Would I need to 
add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L plateson the car 
aswell.

To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is what 
they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost was too 
much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.

Any advice on this is much welcomed.

Thanks

"Sarah"  wrote in message 
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> Hi,
>
> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood 
> but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've only 
> held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. Would I 
> need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L plateson 
> the car aswell.
>
You need to be a full licence holder for 3 years, I seem to remember.
They would have to be on your insurance
L plates should be removed when the learner is not driving, although this 
isn't really enforced.

"Sarah"  wrote


> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
> profession tuition




If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.



-- 
Regards, Vince.

Long Distance Diary 30th May 2008-  Switzerland

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"Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> "Sarah"  wrote
>
>
>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>> profession tuition
>
>
>
>
> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
>
>
>
>

Thats a bit harsh. We all learn at different rates she may very well be a 
great driver. Although on the other hand she could be a a nightmare.

Sarah wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't afford 
> lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood but you do 
> get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've only held a 
> license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. Would I need to 
> add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L plateson the car 
> aswell.
> 
> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is what 
> they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost was too 
> much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
> 
> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
> 
> Thanks 
> 

There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.

Sarah wrote:
> "Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
> news:Gs-dnTtJ5a5k8efVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Sarah"  wrote
>>
>>
>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>> profession tuition
>>
>>
>>
>> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Thats a bit harsh. We all learn at different rates she may very well be a 
> great driver. Although on the other hand she could be a a nightmare. 
> 
> 


Note the correct usage of the words ' she' and 'nightmare' in a thread
concerning drivers. 10/10

"Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
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> Sarah wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood 
>> but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've 
>> only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. 
>> Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L 
>> plateson the car aswell.
>>
>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is 
>> what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost 
>> was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>
>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>
>
>

Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet!

Sarah wrote:
> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>> Sarah wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood 
>>> but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've 
>>> only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. 
>>> Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L 
>>> plateson the car aswell.
>>>
>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is 
>>> what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost 
>>> was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>
>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet! 
> 
> 

Never ever get a friend or relative to try to teach you to drive. They 
won't suceed.

"Sarah"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>> Sarah wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood 
>>> but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've 
>>> only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. 
>>> Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L 
>>> plateson the car aswell.
>>>
>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is 
>>> what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost 
>>> was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>
>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet!
>
You also require an additional mirror for the supervising driver.

Terrys

"Sarah"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>
>> "Sarah"  wrote
>>
>>
>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>> profession tuition
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thats a bit harsh. We all learn at different rates she may very well be a 
> great driver. Although on the other hand she could be a a nightmare.

A member of my family had about 35 lessons, many of them with a bitch of a 
driving instructor who was very negative about his driving skills and was 
plainly determined to make as much money out of him as she could. He was 
sure he would fail, so was reluctant to book a test.  He changed instructor, 
took the test and passed it the first time.

"terrys"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Sarah"  wrote in message 
> news:wsednaw7W8vm7efVRVnyuAA@bt.com...
>>
>> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
>> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood 
>>>> but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've 
>>>> only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. 
>>>> Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L 
>>>> plateson the car aswell.
>>>>
>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is 
>>>> what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost 
>>>> was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
>> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet!
>>
> You also require an additional mirror for the supervising driver.
>
> Terrys

Is that the law or just a helpfulaid ?

terrys wrote:
> 
> "Sarah"  wrote in message 
> news:wsednaw7W8vm7efVRVnyuAA@bt.com...
>>
>> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
>> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the 
>>>> wood but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. 
>>>> Basically I've only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have 
>>>> fully comp insurance. Would I need to add them to my insurance ? 
>>>> Also I know I need to put L plateson the car aswell.
>>>>
>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the 
>>>> road, reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard 
>>>> which is what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons 
>>>> as the cost was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping 
>>>> them out.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
>> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet!
>>
> You also require an additional mirror for the supervising driver.
> 
> Terrys

You mean apart from the lippy one?

Sarah wrote:
> "terrys"  wrote in message 
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>> "Sarah"  wrote in message 
>> news:wsednaw7W8vm7efVRVnyuAA@bt.com...
>>> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
>>> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood 
>>>>> but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've 
>>>>> only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. 
>>>>> Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L 
>>>>> plateson the car aswell.
>>>>>
>>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>>>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is 
>>>>> what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost 
>>>>> was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
>>> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet!
>>>
>> You also require an additional mirror for the supervising driver.
>>
>> Terrys
> 
> Is that the law or just a helpfulaid ? 
> 
> 

PMSL. Sarah you are a windup AICMFP!

"Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
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> terrys wrote:
>>
>> "Sarah"  wrote in message 
>> news:wsednaw7W8vm7efVRVnyuAA@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
>>> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the 
>>>>> wood but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically 
>>>>> I've only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp 
>>>>> insurance. Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I 
>>>>> need to put L plateson the car aswell.
>>>>>
>>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>>>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which 
>>>>> is what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the 
>>>>> cost was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
>>> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet!
>>>
>> You also require an additional mirror for the supervising driver.
>>
>> Terrys
>
> You mean apart from the lippy one?
>

Cheeky. I use my portable for that.

Sarah wrote:
> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
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>> terrys wrote:
>>> "Sarah"  wrote in message 
>>> news:wsednaw7W8vm7efVRVnyuAA@bt.com...
>>>> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>>>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the 
>>>>>> wood but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically 
>>>>>> I've only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp 
>>>>>> insurance. Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I 
>>>>>> need to put L plateson the car aswell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>>>>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which 
>>>>>> is what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the 
>>>>>> cost was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
>>>> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet!
>>>>
>>> You also require an additional mirror for the supervising driver.
>>>
>>> Terrys
>> You mean apart from the lippy one?
>>
> 
> Cheeky. I use my portable for that. 
> 
> 

What area will all of this happen in Sarah so that I know
where to avoid.

"Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
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> Sarah wrote:
>> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
>> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as 
>>>> they can't afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in 
>>>> this neck of the wood but you do get professional tuition 
>>>> and dual controls. Basically I've only held a license for 2 
>>>> years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. Would I need to 
>>>> add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L 
>>>> plateson the car aswell.
>>>>
>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 
>>>> 20 hours profession tuition and just need some help with the 
>>>> turn in the road, reverse park other than that they claim to 
>>>> be at test standard which is what they was told by the 
>>>> instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost was too much. 
>>>> I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. 
>> I'm only planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere 
>> extremely quiet!
>
> Never ever get a friend or relative to try to teach you to 
> drive. They won't suceed.

Many many years ago I taught a work colleague to drive. He passed 
at his first attempt.
Maybe he was an exceptional pupil, but it does show that 
'friends' can be successful.
OTOH I gave up trying to teach my wife after just a couple of 
lessons, and let a driving school take the strain.
Mike.

"Sarah"  wrote




> Thats a bit harsh. We all learn at different rates she may very well be a 
> great driver.




That's fair comment, apologies.



-- 
Regards, Vince.

Long Distance Diary 30th May 2008-  Switzerland

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"Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> "Sarah"  wrote
>
>
>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>> profession tuition
>
>
>
>
> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
>
>


That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years. Everyone learns at 
a different rate. Driving is a very complex skill. I always thought that 
parents and friends were much braver / stupid than me. I could always take 
control of a situation with my controls and take over, a parent had to hope 
for the best.

My longest serving pupil took over 160 lessons, she had a large number of 
lessons from another instructor before me,  and even then I would not like 
to have met them in a narrow street. They passed because on the day nobody 
around them did anything unpredicted. If they had then they would have 
failed.

I wonder if you really want to do this, as an instructor I had seen many 
pupils make the same mistake at the same corner and was mentally prepared to 
solve the problem before it even happened. For you every corner will be a 
new experience. Not every driving instructor is compatible with every pupil, 
maybe a new instructor is the solution. I can not claim that every pupil 
that started with me finished with me.

Ask your friends for recomendations, did they feel comfortable, was the 
instructor friendly, calm, patient, on time and last of all did they 
ass?  - friendly, calm, patient and much more important than anything else.

Most accidents happen at a right turn, say you are turning right from a main 
road into a side street and they make a mistake. A car on the main road 
drives into you. Make a rough calculation of the damages to both vehicles, 
personal injuries claims and then divide that by the cost of a lesson. What 
is your prediction?

I know that passing the test is the end for most people. About six months 
after passing her test one of my pupils was killed, 20 years later I can 
still remember her, her name, what she did and where she lived. I talked to 
the traffic police about it and read the reports and she was not at fault, 
the conclusion was that although the other driver was totally at fault and 
there was a "successful" court case. However the sub text was that had she 
been a more experienced driver then there was a good chance that the impact 
would have been much much less serious. Are you happy to deal with that 
situation?

So think long and hard about this.

alan

Alan wrote:

> 
> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.

Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?

Sarah wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't
> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the
> wood but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically
> I've only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp
> insurance. Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I
> need to put L plateson the car aswell.
>
> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours
> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road,
> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which
> is what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the
> cost was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>
> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>
> Thanks

NO.  You may not supervise a learner, you have not held a licence for the 
requisite time.  A couple of seconds on google gives:
http://www.helpingldrivers.com/law/supervisor.htm

"Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
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> Alan wrote:
>
>>
>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>
> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?

People can not reverse because of lack of practice and confidence. The fact 
that you store your reproductive organs externally or internally does not 
make the slightest difference. Boys believe that they can do it , because of 
peer group and historic arrogance, they are over confident in their ability 
to master complex situations as the death rates in young drivers show.



alan

Animal Crackers wrote:
> Alan wrote:
> 
>>
>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
> 
> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?


Women have more appreciation than men of the dangers of speed - but are 
poorer at spacial orientation.

Sarah wrote:
> "Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Sarah"  wrote
>>
>>
>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>> profession tuition
>>
>>
>>
>> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Thats a bit harsh. We all learn at different rates she may very well be a 
> great driver. Although on the other hand she could be a a nightmare. 

A rule of thumb which I found sound as a driving instructor was that 
pupils needed 1 to 1.5 lessons for each year of their age. There were 
exceptions of course.

On 2008-07-13, Sarah  wrote:
> "terrys"  wrote in message 
> news:QYGdnbfj9u7w7OfVRVnytAA@bt.com...
>>>
>> You also require an additional mirror for the supervising driver.
>>
>
> Is that the law or just a helpfulaid ? 

Unless the law has changed it is not legally required, just insane not
to have.

Also, a second mirror for the examiner's use _is_ now required for the
driving test.

-- 
David Taylor

"Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
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> Alan wrote:
>
>>
>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>
> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?

As someone who was a driving instructor for five years, I can tell you, 
women make far better drivers than men.

tox

"Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> "Sarah"  wrote
>
>
>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>> profession tuition
>
> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
>

Is completely the wrong answer

-- 
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

"Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
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> Alan wrote:
>
>>
>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>
> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?

It has been conclusively demonstrated that women's brains work differently 
in many areas from men's brains.  While men's brains have the advantage over 
women's in some areas, this is balanced by the fact that women's brains work 
better than men's in others.

For example, men can visualise the three dimensional space around their car 
without actually being able to see the boundaries.  Women have difficulty 
doing this, which is why they have difficulty parallel parking.  They cannot 
visualise the car's wheels and the kerb without being able to see them. 
Many women have to position their seat such that they can see the front of 
the car (and consequently risk injuring themselves if the airbag blows).

Women can't mentally rotate a map in their mind which is why they are not 
very good at map reading, unless they are actually heading North.

To provide balance.

Women are much better at recognising shapes, which is why they can see an 
object in a cupboard instantly, but men will spend time looking even though 
the object is at the front.

Women can remember exactly where in a cupboard or drawer that they put 
something and can go instantly to it.  Men have difficulty here, and will 
rumage around for several minutes (and may even announce that the object 
isn't there).  Along comes a woman who goes immediately to it.

This list is not exhaustive.  Unfortunately the things women are bad at are 
the skills that are useful in driving.

None of this prevented a group of feminists at Kiele university 'proving' 
that women were better drivers than men, and other feminists regularly quote 
the conclusion.  Fortunately, since it was university research, the source 
data was freely available.  It turned out that the researchers had compared 
men who were in occupations where they drove large annual mileages with 
women in the 24 to 35 year age group where all the driving was either taking 
the kids to and from school and nipping down the supermarket.  The surprise 
was that even with that data, the women had only 15% fewer accidents, 
whereas if they were actally equally skilled, then on the cherry picked 
source data, they should have been at least an order of magnitude better.

"Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
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> Alan wrote:
>
>>
>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>
> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?

Ahh the class clown.

"Mrcheerful"  wrote in message 
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> Sarah wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't
>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the
>> wood but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically
>> I've only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp
>> insurance. Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I
>> need to put L plateson the car aswell.
>>
>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours
>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road,
>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which
>> is what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the
>> cost was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>
>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> NO.  You may not supervise a learner, you have not held a licence for the 
> requisite time.  A couple of seconds on google gives:
> http://www.helpingldrivers.com/law/supervisor.htm
>

Silly me off I should've googled it!

What a shame. Only by a few months. Maybe in a few months time then.

Alan wrote:
> "Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
> news:g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org...
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
> 
> People can not reverse because of lack of practice and confidence. The fact 
> that you store your reproductive organs externally or internally does not 
> make the slightest difference. Boys believe that they can do it , because of 
> peer group and historic arrogance, they are over confident in their ability 
> to master complex situations as the death rates in young drivers show.
> 
> 
> 
> alan
> 
> 

Answer the question. Why can't women reverse a car Alan

The Legend Returns wrote:
> "Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
> news:g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org...
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
> 
> As someone who was a driving instructor for five years, I can tell you, 
> women make far better drivers than men.
> 
> tox 
> 
> 

So why is it that in 20 years faultless driving I have
been shunted up the rear twice BY WOMEN!

Sarah wrote:
> "Mrcheerful"  wrote in message 
> news:kPuek.26233$E41.13370@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Sarah wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't
>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the
>>> wood but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically
>>> I've only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp
>>> insurance. Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I
>>> need to put L plateson the car aswell.
>>>
>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours
>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road,
>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which
>>> is what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the
>>> cost was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>
>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>> NO.  You may not supervise a learner, you have not held a licence for the 
>> requisite time.  A couple of seconds on google gives:
>> http://www.helpingldrivers.com/law/supervisor.htm
>>
> 
> Silly me off I should've googled it!
> 
> What a shame. Only by a few months. Maybe in a few months time then. 
> 
> 

You can jump in the car with me any time Sarah

In article , Sarah says...

> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is what 
> they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost was too 
> much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
> 
> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
> 
You need to have held a licence for 3 years.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I don't think you're experienced enough to teach 
them. I'm a professional driver. I have a vocational driving licence. 
I've passed FOUR driving tests first time (two of them vocational and a 
lot harder than a standard car test) and I do around 2000 miles a week 
having covered over 1.7 million miles since I started driving in 1988 
yet I still don't think I'd be able to teach my kids to the standard 
for the UK driving test. There's always something you miss and always 
some procedure you get wrong in your head but think its right.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
> Alan wrote:
> 
> > 
> > That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
> 
> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
> 
Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as 
blokes.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , Sarah says...

> 
> Is that the law or just a helpfulaid ? 
> 
I thought you claimed you thought you knew enough to teach her? 

If you don't know the answer to that one...


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:17:22 +0100, Adam Nevit 
wrote:

>Sarah wrote:
>> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
>> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood 
>>>> but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've 
>>>> only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. 
>>>> Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L 
>>>> plateson the car aswell.
>>>>
>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is 
>>>> what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost 
>>>> was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.

>>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.

>> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
>> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet! 

>Never ever get a friend or relative to try to teach you to drive. They 
>won't suceed.

Perhaps, but it's very valuable for a partly taught driver (like the
OP's friend) to have the opportunity for plenty of practice without
having to pay a fortune per hour.

-- 
Max Demian

"Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
news:g5f54a$ta9$4@aioe.org...
> Sarah wrote:
>> "Mrcheerful"  wrote in message 
>> news:kPuek.26233$E41.13370@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't
>>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the
>>>> wood but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically
>>>> I've only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp
>>>> insurance. Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I
>>>> need to put L plateson the car aswell.
>>>>
>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours
>>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road,
>>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which
>>>> is what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the
>>>> cost was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>> NO.  You may not supervise a learner, you have not held a licence for 
>>> the requisite time.  A couple of seconds on google gives:
>>> http://www.helpingldrivers.com/law/supervisor.htm
>>>
>>
>> Silly me off I should've googled it!
>>
>> What a shame. Only by a few months. Maybe in a few months time then.
>
> You can jump in the car with me any time Sarah
>

I don't get in cars with animals.

Animal Crackers wrote:
> The Legend Returns wrote:
>> "Animal Crackers"  wrote in message
>> news:g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org...
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>
>> As someone who was a driving instructor for five years, I can tell
>> you, women make far better drivers than men.
>>
>> tox
>>
>>
>
> So why is it that in 20 years faultless driving I have
> been shunted up the rear twice BY WOMEN!

perhaps you have faulty brake lights?  or drive in an unpredictable way?

"Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
news:Gs-dnTtJ5a5k8efVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
> "Sarah"  wrote
>
>
>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>> profession tuition
>
>
>
>
> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.



Rubbish. Before being a driving instructor I may have had a similar view, 
but the average these days is around 30-40hrs.

-- 
MrBitsy
Rover 75 CDTi

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>> Alan wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>
>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>
> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as
> blokes.

You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow gaps'. Males 
appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between, say, a car waiting to 
turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide enough for their car to fit 
through. Women drivers often stop and wait even though there is ample room.

I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female driver in, say, a 
Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have driven through in my 
large family car. This is despite the fact that they have just witnessed me 
drive through, in a larger car, without diffculty. Very strange.

Ret.

"Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
news:g5drd4$fgb$3@aioe.org...
> Sarah wrote:
>> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message 
>> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't 
>>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood 
>>>> but you do get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've 
>>>> only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. 
>>>> Would I need to add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L 
>>>> plateson the car aswell.
>>>>
>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
>>>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is 
>>>> what they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost 
>>>> was too much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hehe I did think that aswell but I'm a sucker to help people. I'm only 
>> planning on teaching the excercises though, somewhere extremely quiet!
>
> Never ever get a friend or relative to try to teach you to drive. They 
> won't suceed.

Cobblers. I have taught my wife, son and daughter to drive and am currently 
teaching my granddaughter. Son and daughter passed on first attempt and wife 
on second. None of them had a single 'professional' lesson.
There is nothing magical about teaching someone to drive (so long as you are 
a good driver yourself!)

Ret.

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:6e0jsvF4ohqdU4@mid.individual.net...
> In article , Sarah says...
>
>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours
>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road,
>> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is 
>> what
>> they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost was too
>> much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>>
>> Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>
> You need to have held a licence for 3 years.
>
> BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I don't think you're experienced enough to teach
> them. I'm a professional driver. I have a vocational driving licence.
> I've passed FOUR driving tests first time (two of them vocational and a
> lot harder than a standard car test) and I do around 2000 miles a week
> having covered over 1.7 million miles since I started driving in 1988
> yet I still don't think I'd be able to teach my kids to the standard
> for the UK driving test. There's always something you miss and always
> some procedure you get wrong in your head but think its right.

But you can rapidly bring yourself up to date by buying one of the approved 
'Pass your Driving Test' books or CD Roms. That's what I have done after my 
granddaughter recently asked me to teach her to drive. She knew I had taught 
my wife, son and daughter to drive - but that was some years ago. There have 
been some changes - but it didn't take me long to pick those up. She's doing 
well and I've every confidence that she will pass when she goes for the 
test.

Ret.

Ret. wrote:
> "Conor"  wrote in message
> news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
>> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>>
>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>>
>> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as
>> blokes.
>
> You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow gaps'.
> Males appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between, say, a
> car waiting to turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide enough for
> their car to fit through. Women drivers often stop and wait even
> though there is ample room.
> I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female driver in,
> say, a Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have driven
> through in my large family car. This is despite the fact that they
> have just witnessed me drive through, in a larger car, without
> diffculty. Very strange.

I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel parking:)

-- 
Life sometimes gives you a second chance.

"Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
news:g5f51k$ta9$3@aioe.org...

>> As someone who was a driving instructor for five years, I can tell you, 
>> women make far better drivers than men.
>>
>> tox
>
> So why is it that in 20 years faultless driving I have
> been shunted up the rear twice BY WOMEN!

I've been driving for nearly forty years and have never been hit by a woman. 
However, when I was driving instructing, I was shunted up the rear four 
times (3 cars and a bus), everyone of them males who seemed to have 
forgotten, they were learners once.

tox

"The Legend Returns" <trabant owners club@Nicks place.comco> wrote in 
message news:fZGek.246117$8k.211888@newsfe18.ams2...
>
> "Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
> news:g5f51k$ta9$3@aioe.org...
>
>>> As someone who was a driving instructor for five years, I can tell you, 
>>> women make far better drivers than men.
>>>
>>> tox
>>
>> So why is it that in 20 years faultless driving I have
>> been shunted up the rear twice BY WOMEN!
>
> I've been driving for nearly forty years and have never been hit by a 
> woman. However, when I was driving instructing, I was shunted up the rear 
> four times (3 cars and a bus), everyone of them males who seemed to have 
> forgotten, they were learners once.

I've been shunted twice while I was stationary - both times by male drivers. 
I don't particularly agree with the statement that women are *better* 
drivers - but I don't doubt that, generally speaking, they are *safer* 
drivers because they tend not to drive so fast as men, tend not to overtake 
as often, and tend to be far more cautious and patient before making 
manoeuvres.

Ret.

"Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
news:g5f51k$ta9$3@aioe.org...
> The Legend Returns wrote:
>> "Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
>> news:g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org...
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>
>> As someone who was a driving instructor for five years, I can tell you, 
>> women make far better drivers than men.
>>
>> tox
>
> So why is it that in 20 years faultless driving I have
> been shunted up the rear twice BY WOMEN!

Were they wearing strap-ons?

McK.

"Ret."  wrote in message 
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>
> "The Legend Returns" <trabant owners club@Nicks place.comco> wrote in 
> message news:fZGek.246117$8k.211888@newsfe18.ams2...
>>
>> "Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
>> news:g5f51k$ta9$3@aioe.org...
>>
>>>> As someone who was a driving instructor for five years, I can tell you, 
>>>> women make far better drivers than men.
>>>>
>>>> tox
>>>
>>> So why is it that in 20 years faultless driving I have
>>> been shunted up the rear twice BY WOMEN!
>>
>> I've been driving for nearly forty years and have never been hit by a 
>> woman. However, when I was driving instructing, I was shunted up the rear 
>> four times (3 cars and a bus), everyone of them males who seemed to have 
>> forgotten, they were learners once.
>
> I've been shunted twice while I was stationary - both times by male 
> drivers. I don't particularly agree with the statement that women are 
> *better* drivers - but I don't doubt that, generally speaking, they are 
> *safer* drivers because they tend not to drive so fast as men, tend not to 
> overtake as often, and tend to be far more cautious and patient before 
> making manoeuvres.
>

Agreed. Before I started driving for a living I couldnt understand why the 
traffic plods kept charging male drivers with offences and rarely pulled 
woen drivers over.
Then I passed my class 1 and became a truck driver. Now its crystal clear 
just why they do.

McK.

"Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
> Ret. wrote:
>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>> news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
>>> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>>>
>>> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as
>>> blokes.
>>
>> You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow gaps'.
>> Males appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between, say, a
>> car waiting to turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide enough for
>> their car to fit through. Women drivers often stop and wait even
>> though there is ample room.
>> I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female driver in,
>> say, a Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have driven
>> through in my large family car. This is despite the fact that they
>> have just witnessed me drive through, in a larger car, without
>> diffculty. Very strange.
>
> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel parking:)
>
> -- 


Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! dont admit to anything in this newsgroup.

McK.

"Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
> Ret. wrote:
>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>> news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
>>> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>>>
>>> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial 
>>> awareness as
>>> blokes.
>>
>> You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow 
>> gaps'.
>> Males appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between, 
>> say, a
>> car waiting to turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide 
>> enough for
>> their car to fit through. Women drivers often stop and wait 
>> even
>> though there is ample room.
>> I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female 
>> driver in,
>> say, a Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have 
>> driven
>> through in my large family car. This is despite the fact that 
>> they
>> have just witnessed me drive through, in a larger car, without
>> diffculty. Very strange.
>
> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel 
> parking:)

TBH I don't think anyone finds that easy. Especially when the 
space is only just big enough.
Mike.

On 2008-07-14, Mike G  wrote:
> "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel 
>> parking:)
>
> TBH I don't think anyone finds that easy. Especially when the 
> space is only just big enough.

With the right technique it can be quite easy, even for relatively tight
spaces.

OTOH, it is also very easy to get it wrong and end up in a bit of a
mess.  It's usually easier just to give up and start again rather than
desperately trying to rotate the car in a way that isn't really
possible...

-- 
David Taylor

rainandsnow wrote:
> Sarah wrote:
>> "Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
>> news:Gs-dnTtJ5a5k8efVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "Sarah"  wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>> profession tuition
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thats a bit harsh. We all learn at different rates she may very well 
>> be a great driver. Although on the other hand she could be a a nightmare. 
> 
> A rule of thumb which I found sound as a driving instructor was that 
> pupils needed 1 to 1.5 lessons for each year of their age. There were 
> exceptions of course.

The Latest DSA information (I pcompleted my part 3 driving instructor 
test in Feb this year).

The DSA say that if a pupil (new driver) asks how long it will take to 
learn..... the information given? 'About 40 hours'.

True this may vary a lot, but that is the current information.

20 hours is probably enough time to teach the basics of driving and an 
introduction to all the manourvres (as per the current test).

-- 
Clive

We don't die, we just stop paying taxes.

In article , 
russiatrucking@hotmail.com says...
> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
> 
I had 20 lessons, passed first time, 4 minors. Basically instructor gave 
me lessons until I was competent and had passed the theory, then told me 
to book the test and continue having lessons until test day.

Worked out as about 14 weeks with a couple of two hours lessons closer 
to the test and with a week off here and there for his.my holidays.

Anyway, that will be nothing if they bring in the compulsory 100 hours 
training.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

In article <g5f4vj$ta9$2@aioe.org>, acforuandme@btconnect.co.uk says...
> Answer the question. Why can't women reverse a car Alan
> 
I think what he was saying is they can, they just don't know/believe it.
Blokes on the other hand go in gung ho, somtimes it works, sometimes it 
doesn't, sometimes it really doesn't.
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

In article <g5drd4$fgb$3@aioe.org>, paradise@hotmail.com says...
> Never ever get a friend or relative to try to teach you to drive. They 
> won't suceed.
> 
After I had done my first 10 lessons, I got my GF to sit in with me. Not 
teach me, just sit in with me.

I new the procedures to perform manourvres, just needed the practice.
So whenever we went anywhere that was non motorway, I drove, even some 
long runs with scenic views. I put in about 1000 miles in my own car as 
a learner, and passed first time (alongside formal lessons).
-- 
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

It happens that Sarah formulated :
> Hi,
>
> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't afford 
> lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood but you do 
> get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've only held a 
> license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. Would I need to 
> add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L plateson the car 
> aswell.

You need to have held a license for at least three years and unless you 
have a great deal of experience and the right sort of attitude for it, 
then it is better not too.

If it is just a matter of gaining some practice and confidence in the 
basic manouvers, then perhaps you could find somewhere quiet and off 
the public roads to do it?

-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:34:48 +0100, Elder
 wrote:

>In article <g5f4vj$ta9$2@aioe.org>, acforuandme@btconnect.co.uk says...
>> Answer the question. Why can't women reverse a car Alan
>> 
>I think what he was saying is they can, they just don't know/believe it.
>Blokes on the other hand go in gung ho, somtimes it works, sometimes it 
>doesn't, sometimes it really doesn't.


However it is true that if you give a bloke 6 pints of beer he turns
into a woman. He babbles incessantly and can't reverse park a car

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

> "Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message
> news:Gs-dnTtJ5a5k8efVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> > 
> > 
> >"Sarah"  wrote
> > 
> > 
> > > To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20
> > > hours  profession tuition
> > 
> > If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
> > 
> 
> Is completely the wrong answer

But extracts the next polite question. How long did it take the KOTR to
pass?  Guess at answer =<20hrs.

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"David Taylor"  wrote in message 
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> On 2008-07-14, Mike G  wrote:
>> "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at 
>>> parallel
>>> parking:)
>>
>> TBH I don't think anyone finds that easy. Especially when the
>> space is only just big enough.
>
> With the right technique it can be quite easy, even for 
> relatively tight
> spaces.

I have no problem if there is a foot or two to spare. But, park a 
car close to the kerb, then park another behind it almost 
touching, then park another in front, so the middle car can just 
drive out without touching it, and drive away.
I think the vast majority of drivers would find it difficult to 
put the car back as neatly as it was without a certain amount of 
shuffling.
>
> OTOH, it is also very easy to get it wrong and end up in a bit 
> of a
> mess.  It's usually easier just to give up and start again 
> rather than
> desperately trying to rotate the car in a way that isn't really
> possible...

When the space is tight though, it can be difficult to guage if 
it is actually big enough until you try it.
Mike.

Ophelia wrote:
> Ret. wrote:
>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>> news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
>>> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>>>
>>> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as
>>> blokes.
>>
>> You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow gaps'.
>> Males appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between, say, a
>> car waiting to turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide enough for
>> their car to fit through. Women drivers often stop and wait even
>> though there is ample room.
>> I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female driver in,
>> say, a Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have driven
>> through in my large family car. This is despite the fact that they
>> have just witnessed me drive through, in a larger car, without
>> diffculty. Very strange.
>
> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel
> parking:)

I can't parallel park for toffee in a RHD car.  OTOH my missus can park the 
Xantia into a space 2ft longer than it first time every time. The most 
infuriating part is that I taught her to do it!

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Mike P

Sarah wrote:
> "Adam Nevit"  wrote in message
> news:g5dr6f$fgb$1@aioe.org...
>> Sarah wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't
>>> afford lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the
>>> wood but you do get professional tuition and dual controls.
>>> Basically I've only held a license for 2 years 9 months. I have
>>> fully comp insurance. Would I need to add them to my insurance ?
>>> Also I know I need to put L plateson the car aswell.
>>>
>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours
>>> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the
>>> road, reverse park other than that they claim to be at test
>>> standard which is what they was told by the instructor. They
>>> stopped lessons as the cost was too much. I'm trying to do my good
>>> deed in helping them out. Any advice on this is much welcomed.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> There's a recipe for disaster if ever I read one.
>>

I'm with you on that one. Not for the reasons you think, but because of the 
arguments and stress it can cause between friends/family members ;-)

Mike P

"Mike G"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
>> Ret. wrote:
>>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>>> news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
>>>> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>>>>
>>>> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as
>>>> blokes.
>>>
>>> You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow gaps'.
>>> Males appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between, say, a
>>> car waiting to turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide enough for
>>> their car to fit through. Women drivers often stop and wait even
>>> though there is ample room.
>>> I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female driver in,
>>> say, a Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have driven
>>> through in my large family car. This is despite the fact that they
>>> have just witnessed me drive through, in a larger car, without
>>> diffculty. Very strange.
>>
>> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel parking:)
>
> TBH I don't think anyone finds that easy. Especially when the space is 
> only just big enough.

It's a damn-sight easier when your car is fitted with reverse parking 
sensors!

Ret.

Clive Sinclair wrote:
> rainandsnow wrote:
>> Sarah wrote:
>>> "Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message 
>>> news:Gs-dnTtJ5a5k8efVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Sarah"  wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
>>>>> profession tuition
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If she hasn't passed after 20 hours, she never will.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thats a bit harsh. We all learn at different rates she may very well 
>>> be a great driver. Although on the other hand she could be a a 
>>> nightmare. 
>>
>> A rule of thumb which I found sound as a driving instructor was that 
>> pupils needed 1 to 1.5 lessons for each year of their age. There were 
>> exceptions of course.
> 
> The Latest DSA information (I pcompleted my part 3 driving instructor 
> test in Feb this year).
> 
> The DSA say that if a pupil (new driver) asks how long it will take to 
> learn..... the information given? 'About 40 hours'.

Amazing. I found that, with some notable exceptions, age seemed to make 
a big difference.

Animal Crackers wrote:
> The Legend Returns wrote:
>> "Animal Crackers"  wrote in message 
>> news:g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org...
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>
>> As someone who was a driving instructor for five years, I can tell 
>> you, women make far better drivers than men.
>>
>> tox
>>
> 
> So why is it that in 20 years faultless driving I have
> been shunted up the rear twice BY WOMEN!

Perhaps you've get a cute rear end.

-- 
Moving things in still pictures!

"Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
> Ret. wrote:
>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>> news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
>>> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>>>
>>> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as
>>> blokes.
>>
>> You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow gaps'.
>> Males appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between, say, a
>> car waiting to turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide enough for
>> their car to fit through. Women drivers often stop and wait even
>> though there is ample room.
>> I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female driver in,
>> say, a Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have driven
>> through in my large family car. This is despite the fact that they
>> have just witnessed me drive through, in a larger car, without
>> diffculty. Very strange.
>
> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel parking:)
>
>

Forward bay parking gets me now and then :-)

But I usually reverse in for a quick get away, not that I'm robbin banks or 
anything.

"David Taylor"  wrote in message 
news:slrng7mom5.k6m.davidt-news@outcold.yadt.co.uk...
> On 2008-07-14, Mike G  wrote:
>> "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel
>>> parking:)
>>
>> TBH I don't think anyone finds that easy. Especially when the
>> space is only just big enough.
>
> With the right technique it can be quite easy, even for relatively tight
> spaces.
>
> OTOH, it is also very easy to get it wrong and end up in a bit of a
> mess.  It's usually easier just to give up and start again rather than
> desperately trying to rotate the car in a way that isn't really
> possible...
>
>

Guilty of that when I just passed. Now its a easy peasy :) ... to add I only 
do it when theres tons and tons of space.

Sarah wrote:
> 
> Forward bay parking gets me now and then :-)
> 
> But I usually reverse in for a quick get away, not that I'm robbin banks or 
> anything. 
> 
I usually reverse in because it's easier and safer.  Unfortunately, I 
then have a problem loading the shopping into the back.

-- 
Mike

"Mike"  wrote in message 
news:487bddb1$0$638$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> Sarah wrote:
>>
>> Forward bay parking gets me now and then :-)
>>
>> But I usually reverse in for a quick get away, not that I'm robbin banks 
>> or anything.
> I usually reverse in because it's easier and safer.  Unfortunately, I then 
> have a problem loading the shopping into the back.

I just hope that in trying to solve that problem you are not one of those 
that places your shopping on the bonnet of the car that is butting up to 
your boot!! I've come back to my (nose-in) car to find just that.

Ret.

McKev (yay!) wrote:
> "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
>> Ret. wrote:
>>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>>> news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
>>>> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>>>>
>>>> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as
>>>> blokes.
>>>
>>> You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow
>>> gaps'. Males appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between,
>>> say, a car waiting to turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide
>>> enough for their car to fit through. Women drivers often stop and
>>> wait even though there is ample room.
>>> I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female driver
>>> in, say, a Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have
>>> driven through in my large family car. This is despite the fact
>>> that they have just witnessed me drive through, in a larger car,
>>> without diffculty. Very strange.
>>
>> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel
>> parking:) --
>
>
> Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! dont admit to anything in this newsgroup.
>
> McK.

<G>
-- 
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On 2008-07-13, Sarah  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to teach a friend to drive (more there request) as they can't afford 
> lessons which are very high £26 an hour in this neck of the wood but you do 
> get professional tuition and dual controls. Basically I've only held a 
> license for 2 years 9 months. I have fully comp insurance. Would I need to 
> add them to my insurance ? Also I know I need to put L plateson the car 
> aswell.
>
> To add: they are not ocmpletely new to driving they've had 20 hours 
> profession tuition and just need some help with the turn in the road, 
> reverse park other than that they claim to be at test standard which is what 
> they was told by the instructor. They stopped lessons as the cost was too 
> much. I'm trying to do my good deed in helping them out.
>
> Any advice on this is much welcomed.

I wouldn't ask on uk.rec.driving.


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                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
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"Sarah"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:6e0sa5F4o0k6U4@mid.individual.net...
>> Ret. wrote:
>>> "Conor"  wrote in message
>>> news:6e0jusF4ohqdU5@mid.individual.net...
>>>> In article <g5dtft$o7a$1@aioe.org>, Animal Crackers says...
>>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not true. I was a driving instructor for 19 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, an expert. Why can't women reverse a car Alan?
>>>>>
>>>> Spatial awareness. They don't have as good a spatial awareness as
>>>> blokes.
>>>
>>> You notice this phenomenon particularly in relation to 'narrow gaps'.
>>> Males appear to be able to rapidly judge if a gap (between, say, a
>>> car waiting to turn right, and the nearside kerb) is wide enough for
>>> their car to fit through. Women drivers often stop and wait even
>>> though there is ample room.
>>> I often look in my rear view mirror and note that a female driver in,
>>> say, a Micra has not followed me through a gap that I have driven
>>> through in my large family car. This is despite the fact that they
>>> have just witnessed me drive through, in a larger car, without
>>> diffculty. Very strange.
>>
>> I don't have a problem with that, but I am rubbish at parallel parking:)
>>
>>
>
> Forward bay parking gets me now and then :-)
>
> But I usually reverse in for a quick get away, not that I'm robbin banks 
> or anything.

I am always amused by public car parks in Germany.  Tne frequently have 
women only parking spaces, characterised by there being designed that women 
drivers can drive into and out of them without having to reverse.

"Ret."  wrote in message 
news:3IidnbFDN6YtxOHVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> "Mike"  wrote in message 
> news:487bddb1$0$638$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
>> Sarah wrote:
>>>
>>> Forward bay parking gets me now and then :-)
>>>
>>> But I usually reverse in for a quick get away, not that I'm robbin banks 
>>> or anything.
>> I usu