On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:46:28 +0000, Phil W Lee
<phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:

>Mark Goodge  considered Sat, 07 Nov
>2009 21:14:49 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>
>>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:36:32 +0000, Phil W Lee
>><phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
>>
>>>Of course, all this encouragement to drive as fast as legally possible
>>>is completely missing the point that IT'S A LIMIT, NOT A TARGET.
>>
>>The target is to make progress as efficiently as possible within the
>>constraints of the road, the vehicle and the law. If the only one of
>>those preventing you from making more efficient progress is the law,
>>then you should make full use of what the law permits.
>>
>And fuck all the other traffic?

Try reading what I wrote. If the *only* constraint is the law, then
make full use of what it allows. If road conditions (which includes
other traffic) require a lower speed, then travel at the speed set by
the conditions.

Mark
-- 
Blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk
Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk

In article , Adrian says...
> 
> Mark McNeill  gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
> 
> >> > >> There is no such thing as perfectly safe.
> 
> >> > >Rubbish.
> 
> >> > That one statement undermines your claim to be a professional driver.
> >> I'm currently sat on a settee tapping away on my laptop. Perhaps you'll
> >> tell me what could happen?
> >> 
> >> BTW, that's actually happen and not some fantasist scenario.
> 
> > <Doug> A killer motorist terrorist could crash into your house and kill 
> > you. A cyclist wouldn't. Oh, no. Unless, of course, they were a closet 
> > killer motorist terrorist  </Doug>
> 
> Typo corrected.

Heh-heh.

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Mark Goodge  considered Tue, 10 Nov
2009 21:15:50 +0000 the perfect time to write:

>On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:14:51 +0000, Phil W Lee
><phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
>
>>Mark Goodge  considered Mon, 09 Nov
>>2009 18:14:50 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>>
>>>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:09:14 +0000, Phil W Lee
>>><phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
>>>
>>>>Mark Goodge  considered Sun, 08 Nov
>>>>2009 09:21:00 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>>>>>
>>>>There is no requirement that you should "make full use" of the maximum
>>>>speed allowed (by any of those conditions).
>>>>You are merely permitted to.
>>>
>>>No legal requirement, no. Just common courtesy to those behind you.
>>>
>>Unless you are deliberately blocking, or driving so erratically that
>>overtaking would be dangerous, I don't think there's any increased
>>courtesy in driving faster than you are comfortable with.
>
>No, but if you're not comfortable with driving at a speed that is
>otherwise perfectly safe then you're probably not a very good driver.
>
I wouldn't say "probably" - not being a good driver is only one of
many reasons to travel more slowly than the maximum safe & legal
speed.

Conor  considered Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:01:58 -0000 the
perfect time to write:

>In article <hde0gg$pjd$1@news.eternal-september.org>, mileburner says...
>
>> There is no such thing as perfectly safe.
>> 
>Rubbish.

That one statement undermines your claim to be a professional driver.

<plonk>

"Phil W Lee" <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote in message 
news:7msmf55r4h8qv500ehqqbdh5a3rnv1meol@4ax.com...
> Conor  considered Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:01:58 -0000 the
> perfect time to write:
>
>>In article <hde0gg$pjd$1@news.eternal-september.org>, mileburner says...
>>
>>> There is no such thing as perfectly safe.
>>>
>>Rubbish.
>
> That one statement undermines your claim to be a professional driver.

Professional, in this respect only means they are the monkey steering the 
wheel and stepping on the pedals while getting paid to do it.

Some of the so-called professional drivers are the worst on the roads (eg. 
taxi drivers).

Please do not confuse "professional" with "expert".

In article , Phil W Lee 
says...
> 
> Conor  considered Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:01:58 -0000 the
> perfect time to write:
> 
> >In article <hde0gg$pjd$1@news.eternal-september.org>, mileburner says...
> >
> >> There is no such thing as perfectly safe.
> >> 
> >Rubbish.
> 
> That one statement undermines your claim to be a professional driver.
> 
I'm currently sat on a settee tapping away on my laptop. Perhaps you'll 
tell me what could happen?

BTW, that's actually happen and not some fantasist scenario.



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Conor  wrote:

> I'm currently sat on a settee tapping away on my laptop. Perhaps you'll
> tell me what could happen?

http://tinyurl.com/sz95k

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:35:05 -0000, mileburner put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>
>"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
>news:9uljf515f5ig7mqihs2844247luh8chnbt@news.markshouse.net...
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:14:51 +0000, Phil W Lee
>> <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
>
>>>Unless you are deliberately blocking, or driving so erratically that
>>>overtaking would be dangerous, I don't think there's any increased
>>>courtesy in driving faster than you are comfortable with.
>>
>> No, but if you're not comfortable with driving at a speed that is
>> otherwise perfectly safe then you're probably not a very good driver.
>
>There is no such thing as perfectly safe.

Hence the "otherwise". In the absence of hazards that would be a
reason for travelling below the posted limit.

>A good driver will take account of things which could happen, such as 
>traffic pulling out and people crossing the road. This may mean driving 
>below the posted speed limit, especially in urban environments. 

If the conditions (which includes things like other traffic, the
proximity of parked cars, junctions, etc) are such that the safe limit
is below the posted limit then yes, of course, you drive at no more
than the safe limit. I was referring to situations where teh safe
limit is above the posted limit.

Mark
-- 
Blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk
Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk

"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:v26mf5h2psirjm6upvanqd00aami57r45k@news.markshouse.net...
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:35:05 -0000, mileburner put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>A good driver will take account of things which could happen, such as
>>traffic pulling out and people crossing the road. This may mean driving
>>below the posted speed limit, especially in urban environments.
>
> If the conditions (which includes things like other traffic, the
> proximity of parked cars, junctions, etc) are such that the safe limit
> is below the posted limit then yes, of course, you drive at no more
> than the safe limit. I was referring to situations where teh safe
> limit is above the posted limit.

It is not just a case of "being comfortable" at that speed. From a purely 
selfish point of view, most drivers would be quite able to drive well in 
excess of speed limits, most of the time, without worry that they might 
cause an accident. But from a self*less* point, it is important to be able 
to avoid accidents which would not necessarily be your own fault, and that 
means taking into account all the possibilities of what could happen and 
driving slower, especially if there is anything ahead or someone tailgating.

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:09:14 +0000, Phil W Lee
<phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:

>Mark Goodge  considered Sun, 08 Nov
>2009 09:21:00 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>>
>There is no requirement that you should "make full use" of the maximum
>speed allowed (by any of those conditions).
>You are merely permitted to.

No legal requirement, no. Just common courtesy to those behind you.

Mark
-- 
Blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk
Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk

Mark Goodge  considered Mon, 09 Nov
2009 18:14:50 +0000 the perfect time to write:

>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:09:14 +0000, Phil W Lee
><phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
>
>>Mark Goodge  considered Sun, 08 Nov
>>2009 09:21:00 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>>>
>>There is no requirement that you should "make full use" of the maximum
>>speed allowed (by any of those conditions).
>>You are merely permitted to.
>
>No legal requirement, no. Just common courtesy to those behind you.
>
Unless you are deliberately blocking, or driving so erratically that
overtaking would be dangerous, I don't think there's any increased
courtesy in driving faster than you are comfortable with.

Of course, that is rather the opposite of the behaviour of the typical
tailgating motorist, who become irrational at the prospect of ever
doing LESS than the speed limit and sits 0.5M from the bumper of those
who prefer to, flashing his lights.

THAT is discourteous, dangerous and illegal.

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:14:51 +0000, Phil W Lee
<phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:

>Mark Goodge  considered Mon, 09 Nov
>2009 18:14:50 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:09:14 +0000, Phil W Lee
>><phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
>>
>>>Mark Goodge  considered Sun, 08 Nov
>>>2009 09:21:00 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>>>>
>>>There is no requirement that you should "make full use" of the maximum
>>>speed allowed (by any of those conditions).
>>>You are merely permitted to.
>>
>>No legal requirement, no. Just common courtesy to those behind you.
>>
>Unless you are deliberately blocking, or driving so erratically that
>overtaking would be dangerous, I don't think there's any increased
>courtesy in driving faster than you are comfortable with.

No, but if you're not comfortable with driving at a speed that is
otherwise perfectly safe then you're probably not a very good driver.

Mark
-- 
Blog: http://mark.goodge.co.uk
Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk

"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:9uljf515f5ig7mqihs2844247luh8chnbt@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:14:51 +0000, Phil W Lee
> <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:

>>Unless you are deliberately blocking, or driving so erratically that
>>overtaking would be dangerous, I don't think there's any increased
>>courtesy in driving faster than you are comfortable with.
>
> No, but if you're not comfortable with driving at a speed that is
> otherwise perfectly safe then you're probably not a very good driver.

There is no such thing as perfectly safe.

A good driver will take account of things which could happen, such as 
traffic pulling out and people crossing the road. This may mean driving 
below the posted speed limit, especially in urban environments.

In article <hde0gg$pjd$1@news.eternal-september.org>, mileburner says...

> There is no such thing as perfectly safe.
> 
Rubbish.



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"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.25649bee7707bb9198995d@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <hde0gg$pjd$1@news.eternal-september.org>, mileburner says...
>
>> There is no such thing as perfectly safe.
>>
> Rubbish.

Which can carry germs, chemicals, heavy and sharp objects. Your point?

Mark Goodge  considered Sun, 08 Nov
2009 09:21:00 +0000 the perfect time to write:

>On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:46:28 +0000, Phil W Lee
><phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
>
>>Mark Goodge  considered Sat, 07 Nov
>>2009 21:14:49 +0000 the perfect time to write:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:36:32 +0000, Phil W Lee
>>><phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> put finger to keyboard and typed:
>>>
>>>>Of course, all this encouragement to drive as fast as legally possible
>>>>is completely missing the point that IT'S A LIMIT, NOT A TARGET.
>>>
>>>The target is to make progress as efficiently as possible within the
>>>constraints of the road, the vehicle and the law. If the only one of
>>>those preventing you from making more efficient progress is the law,
>>>then you should make full use of what the law permits.
>>>
>>And fuck all the other traffic?
>
>Try reading what I wrote. If the *only* constraint is the law, then
>make full use of what it allows. If road conditions (which includes
>other traffic) require a lower speed, then travel at the speed set by
>the conditions.
>
There is no requirement that you should "make full use" of the maximum
speed allowed (by any of those conditions).
You are merely permitted to.