On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:11:00 +0100
"Just zis Guy, you know?"  wrote:

> Nym-shifting is the surest sign of a troll.
> 
> Back in the killfile with you.


Remember the old saying?  If three mates tell you you're drunk, then
you're drunk?  Well, here's another person who's giving up on you.  If
you *really* still can't or won't learn to deal with trolls, you're part
of the problem.

-- 
Mark, UK

If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
(hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
bikes. Good bikes for that matter.

Chavez will swap gas-guzzlers for clean cars
CARACAS, Venezuela - Give up your gas-guzzler and get a free car.
That's President Hugo Chavez's offer to Venezuelans.

Chavez says he plans to start a program next year that will give away
cars running on less-polluting natural gas to people who turn in old
cars that consume "too much gasoline."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081005/...uela_free_cars

***

So what would you do if you had a revolution?

WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
(reason #101: because bananas power bikes!)

http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution

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Interesting.  I guess he realizes oil is in decline.  Still, the top 
selling Hummer dealership is in Caracas.

- -- 
John Mayson 
Austin, Texas, USA
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"ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.

In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as many 
third world people as possible.

"Jack May"  wrote in
news:SYKdndhFWpG6ZXXVnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com: 

> 
> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> .. 
>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out
>> there (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd
>> probably take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap
>> cars for bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
> 
> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off
> as many third world people as possible.
> 
According to the Commandante's teachings, it's the law of the jungle,
but one must also mention that lions, monkeys, and bananas figure
into the equation. In what way? I don't know. My understanding of
Banana Epistemology is lacking.

Jack May wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
> 
> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as many 
> third world people as possible.
> 
And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical 
activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the 
makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake 
in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?

We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and 
soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.

[1] Maize for people in .uk.

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If my posts in general annoy or offend, please kill-file.

"Tom Sherman"  wrote in message 
news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Jack May wrote:
>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>
>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as 
>> many third world people as possible.
>>
> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical activity 
> for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the makers of 
> "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake in needless 
> physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?

Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems is not 
remotely food to fuel conversion.  That is one reason Kaiser is the lowest 
cost medical and tends to have the best results.  But you are in the very 
stupid approach that the solution to all resource management is conservation 
instead of technology development to expand the options for being "green". 
As always your ignorance of almost everything in society is extremely 
apparent.
>
> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and soy 
> beans) being used to make motor fuel.

The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food sources 
for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.

I exercise to keep myself very health.  My "gym" is an Olympic size 
trampoline in my back yard I have had for years.  I am the only person at 
Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has ever taken their entire bank of 
test where they found no detectible medical problems.  Kaiser keeps a large 
computer database of all their medical activities.  They know what is 
happening and what has happened there.   The doctors have often made 
comments to others about my unique health characteristics.  My family 
history is that of a very long life.

I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of antibodies 
which would be impossible to prevent with exercise.  I just finished 10 days 
at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a small amount at a 
time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate the antibodies by 
molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending antibodies with albumen 
(blood product) and remove them from my body where they are discarded. 
Could give me maybe as much as few years with out the problem.   The process 
can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up again.

The process is a low energy treatment.

By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford Medical 
and me at Kaiser that have the disease.  All three of us are being treated 
with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression of the offending 
anti-bodies for life.

OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded comments 
that technology laggards so often do because of their deep inferiority 
complex.

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message 
> news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
>>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as 
>>> many third world people as possible.
>>>
>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical activity 
>> for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the makers of 
>> "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake in needless 
>> physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
> 
> Staying health[y] takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems is not 
> remotely food to fuel conversion.  That is one reason Kaiser is the lowest 
> cost medical and tends to have the best results.  But you are in the very 
> stupid approach that the solution to all resource management is conservation 
> instead of technology development to expand the options for being "green". 
> As always your ignorance of almost everything in society is extremely 
> apparent.

This hurts is much as an insult from Ed Dolan, considering the source. 
Not to mention the several false assumptions Mr. May makes.

>> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and soy 
>> beans) being used to make motor fuel.
> 
> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food sources 
> for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.
> 
Most biofuels in the US involve corn and soy.

> I exercise to keep myself very health.  My "gym" is an Olympic size 
> trampoline in my back yard I have had for years.  I am the only person at 
> Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has ever taken their entire bank of 
> test where they found no detectible medical problems.  Kaiser keeps a large 
> computer database of all their medical activities.  They know what is 
> happening and what has happened there.   The doctors have often made 
> comments to others about my unique health characteristics.  My family 
> history is that of a very long life.
> 
For that same energy in non-productive exercising on the trampoline, you 
could commute to work by bicycle.

> I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of antibodies 
> which would be impossible to prevent with exercise.  I just finished 10 days 
> at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a small amount at a 
> time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate the antibodies by 
> molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending antibodies with albumen 
> (blood product) and remove them from my body where they are discarded. 
> Could give me maybe as much as few years with out the problem.   The process 
> can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up again.
> 
> The process is a low energy treatment.
> 
> By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford Medical 
> and me at Kaiser that have the disease.  All three of us are being treated 
> with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression of the offending 
> anti-bodies for life.
> 
Which has what to do with transportation?

> OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded comments 
> that technology laggards so often do because of their deep inferiority 
> complex. 
> 
He aims for the broadside of a barn at 10 paces, and MISSES!

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If my posts in general annoy or offend, please kill-file.

Jack May wrote:
> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message 
> news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
>>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as 
>>> many third world people as possible.
>>>
>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical activity 
>> for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the makers of 
>> "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake in needless 
>> physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
> 
> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems

How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of 
public health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to 
increase overall health in societies?

> is not 
> remotely food to fuel conversion.  That is one reason Kaiser is the lowest 
> cost medical and tends to have the best results.  But you are in the very 
> stupid approach that the solution to all resource management is conservation 
> instead of technology development to expand the options for being "green". 
> As always your ignorance of almost everything in society is extremely 
> apparent.
>> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and soy 
>> beans) being used to make motor fuel.
> 
> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food sources 
> for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.

Maybe, in the future, somewhen. But right now, a lot - don't have the 
percentage at hand - of the biofuel resources is standing in the way of 
food resources.

> I exercise to keep myself very health. 

Shouldn't there be an adjective?

> My "gym" is an Olympic size 
> trampoline in my back yard I have had for years.  I am the only person at 
> Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has ever taken their entire bank of 
> test where they found no detectible medical problems.  Kaiser keeps a large 
> computer database of all their medical activities.  They know what is 
> happening and what has happened there.   The doctors have often made 
> comments to others about my unique health characteristics.  My family 
> history is that of a very long life.
> 
> I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of antibodies 
> which would be impossible to prevent with exercise.  I just finished 10 days 
> at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a small amount at a 
> time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate the antibodies by 
> molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending antibodies with albumen 
> (blood product) and remove them from my body where they are discarded. 
> Could give me maybe as much as few years with out the problem.   The process 
> can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up again.
> 
> The process is a low energy treatment.
> 
> By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford Medical 
> and me at Kaiser that have the disease.  All three of us are being treated 
> with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression of the offending 
> anti-bodies for life.
 >
> OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded comments 
> that technology laggards so often do because of their deep inferiority 
> complex. 

What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how 
interesting it may be,
or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of 
transport,
its contribution to public health and the likes?

You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think, 
  your case must some of a social laggard.

best regards
Tadej
-- 
"Vergleich es mit einer Pflanze - die wächst auch nur dann gut, wenn du
sie nicht jeden zweiten Tag aus der Erde reißt, um nachzusehen, ob sie
schon Wurzeln geschlagen hat."
<Martina Diel in d.t.r>
-- 
(PC TUW-IVV)

On Oct 5, 1:19 pm, John Mayson  wrote:
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> Interesting.  I guess he realizes oil is in decline.  Still, the top
> selling Hummer dealership is in Caracas.

Maybe he's playing camouflage (trying to look good) when promoting
efficient cars while keeping the gallon of gas at 12 cents. ;)

I think Big Oil and him are one big happy family.

On Oct 5, 1:23 pm, "Jack May"  wrote:
> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
>
> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
> > (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> > take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> > bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>
> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as many
> third world people as possible.

You don't seem to know much about energy efficiency, do you?

When you are powered by bananas, you only carry yourself plus the
weight of the bicycle, say, 1/20th the weight of you carrying an SUV.

So you can still cause some minor suffering, but nothing comparable to
what you do with an SUV.

And then if we have a revolution down there too, we can have the
banana workers work in coops with all the benefits and perks --
including healthcare-- normal to the civilized nations outside the
USA.

On Oct 5, 4:16 pm, Little Meow  wrote:
> "Jack May"  wrote innews:SYKdndhFWpG6ZXXVnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>
>
> > "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
> >news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.
> > ..
> >> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out
> >> there (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd
> >> probably take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap
> >> cars for bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>
> > In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off
> > as many third world people as possible.
>
> According to the Commandante's teachings, it's the law of the jungle,
> but one must also mention that lions, monkeys, and bananas figure
> into the equation. In what way? I don't know. My understanding of
> Banana Epistemology is lacking.

You don't seem to watch Animal Planet let alone political debates.

Like in the jungle, politics is about camouflage (lies) by which you
hide the fact that the big predators (lion) eat the common people (the
sheep). Then the monkey realizes this game of deceit and cries: LION!

Oh, the banana is for the lion trying to eat the monkey. ;)

On Oct 5, 4:23 pm, Tom Sherman 
wrote:
> Jack May wrote:
> > "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
> >news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
> >> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> >> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> >> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>
> > In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as many
> > third world people as possible.
>
> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical
> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>
> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and
> soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.
>
> [1] Maize for people in .uk.

Yeap, we shall export the American way of life where the fatter you
are the better.

It feeds the Healthcare Industry for one. ;)

On Oct 6, 2:04 am, "Jack May"  wrote:

> > We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and soy
> > beans) being used to make motor fuel.
>
> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food sources
> for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.
>
> I exercise to keep myself very health.  My "gym" is an Olympic size
> trampoline in my back yard I have had for years.

Are you promoting trampolines? They sound fun, but do they get
something accomplished, like when you commute by bike?

And are they kind of boring after jumping on it for half an hour?

OK, if we had a revolution in this country (fill in the blank), we
could put in place a BICYCLE PROGRAM like this. Notice this is
someone's contribution to the revolution...

(I quote, link below)

If we have a revolution in this country:

1) We should make cycling a pre-requisite for driver's ed. lessons.

2) We should give cyclists a tax break for cycling to work (this is
already in progress, maybe the revolution has already started).

3) Motorists who approach bicycles should be treated the same way as
any child molester. Children ride bicycles, therefore anyone who
approaches a bicycle is a child-molester.

4) We should build a system of super-bikeways. Every Interstate
highway and parkway should have a parallel bikeway. The super-bikeways
should be wide enough for streamlined recumbent bikes to run at speed
(~80MPH). The superbikeways should have elevated flyover bridges to
avoid highway crossings.

5) Privatize the highways- Let bicycle clubs in on the bidding to buy
highways and charge heavy tolls on cars.

6) Institute the Death Penalty for any motorist who kills a cyclist.
(Or at least life in prison.)

7) Work proactively with Trucking Companies and Teamsters to get roads
widened, and get inept motorists off the road.

8) Double or triple the number of Amtrak trains.

9) Install light-rail back in every city street which once had
trolleys.

10) Install a device in every car to limit the speed to the actual
posted speed-limit. (The technology is coming, we already have GPS.
Every car should have an RFID chip and every speed-limit sign could
have a scanner to read said RFID chip.)

11) Give 100 million dollars to Nascar to expand the Nascar track
circuit to keep motorists happy. Motorists will still be allowed to
drive faster than the speed limit, they will just have to do it at the
nearest motor-sport park.

12) Make Cycling a sport at every high school. Funds should at least
match what they are paying for school football.

13) Install signs reading "SHARE THE ROAD" on more roads.

14) Double the frequency of road sweeping.

15) Do more brush cutting to clear roadside vegetation.

16) Give bicycle companies "Equal Time" with car companies. Television
and Radio stations will be required to air a bike commercial for every
car advertisement they run.

17) install video surveillance at every bicycle rack, to eliminate the
need for heavy U-locks. Plus install more bicycle racks.

18) Eliminate street parking for automobiles, make the kerb-side
(curbside) lane a bike lane.

-Finis-

There may be more good ideas to institute. Thank you, Mr. Quixote1954,
for starting this thread.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=473460

(Refers to the BICYCLE PROGRAM above, and the constiutionality of the
death penalty. Notice that now the fact of riding a bike often amounts
to a death penalty)

Originally Posted by Roughstuff

"I like the numbers I have highlighted.

(6) which proves the death penalty IS, indeed, constitutional!"

***


Not sure about that, but I'm sure that if bicycles had been around
when the Constitution was written, it would had been a different
story...

"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happines... guaranteed by the
bicycle"...

"Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message 
news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message 
>> news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as 
>>>> many third world people as possible.
>>>>
>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical 
>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the 
>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake 
>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>>
>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>
> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public 
> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase 
> overall health in societies?

Because if you're not a technology laggard, no amount of proof will convince 
you that something that's not on the TFIOS (Technology for its Own Sake) 
list is something that you'd ever remotely want to support, let alone fail 
to oppose.

;-)

(Can you believe some people are already worried about the revolution?
But it's for Venezuela, right?)

(I answer at bottom)

Originally Posted by Viva.Viagra

1 - Then let's make sure the cyclist is also licensed. And failure to
obey the posted laws results in the egregious fines.

2 - Why does the goverment need to be involved? You can't have a
revolution and ask for goverment intervention at the same time.

3 - Way to paint with a broad brush. Should the next step be to label
all black cyclists as potential terrorists? All male cyclists as
rapists?

4 - Great. Where's that funding going to come from?

5 - So you want the goverment to subsidize cycling, build super
bikeways but privatize them? What happens when the owner of the
private highway now decides he doesn't like the cyclist using it?

7 - Make sure you remove the inept cyclists at the same time. Those
that don't conform must be eliminated.

10 - So our revolution leads to back to 1984 and the abolition of
privacy? Why should only the car have a chip. Why not every vehicle.
Heck, let's impant the chip into every citizen at birth. The Nazi's
made the Jews wear flair, it's the next logical step.

16 - Bicycle companys are free to purchase commercial air time, just
like any other free enterprize


In closing...........Viva La Stupidity !!


Be careful of the revolution you advocate. People like you are likely
to be the first lined up against a wall.

***


No, only the motorized people need to be licensed. There's very little
damage a bicycle can do.

2- Under the revolution the goverment will be on the side of the weak
and rightful. Nothing wrong with that.

3- Those minorities would only be potential terrorists if they are
behind the wheel of an SUV. THEY TERRORIZED PEOPLE.

4- The funding is coming from stopping the wars over oil. I don't
think we would need wars over bananas, right?

5- People to drive SUVs are fine with paying tolls. They advocate
hands off from the government (Libertarian Party in United Selfish of
America).

7- Inept cyclists remove themselves from the gene pool. They don't
kill others like reckless SUV drivers do.

10- No, the revolution doesn't need to see your underwear at airports,
just make sure the proles on bikes are safe from the predators out
there.


NOTE: I DON'T EVEN DREAM OF SURVIVING THE REVOLUTION, but I've had
some close calls by doing nothing else than riding a bike in traffic!
Besides, the revolution is for Venezuela or something, right?

Hey, VIVA LA BANANA!

On Oct 6, 5:22 am, Tadej Brezina  wrote:

> What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how
> interesting it may be,
> or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of
> transport,
> its contribution to public health and the likes?
>
> You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think,
>   your case must some of a social laggard.

They love technology not for the sake of technology, but for the fact
that they don't have to do anything about it now, and if it ever comes
it will cost you an arm and a leg.

Bicycles are too cheap and simple to be a viable solution where
everything is about money, I say.

(More debates with Viva Viagra. Good thing this contagious disease is
mostly present in the American psyche. Something to keep in check like
the bird flu)

Originally Posted by Viva.Viagra

"So I give up my rights to privacy upon entering a vehicle? I alow the
goverment to montior and track my movements?

Sounds pretty Orwellian to me. But then again, this would be in
keeping with being a Citizen of the Socialist Revolution. Giving up
liberty, freedom and self determination for the collective good."

***

You already do when Big Brother issues you a ticket for speeding. And
yet you get away with intimidating bicyclists and pedestrians as well
as drivers of smaller cars.

In Germany on the other hand you can run as fast as you want in many
(safe) places, and yet they give you a ticket for, say, chatting on
the phone.

I don't see the problem as much as having a Big Brother, but having
one that only cares for the big, fat, reckless, stupid drivers.

Of course, the same ones that have money to burn and vote for oil
drilling --and war.

"Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message 
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> Jack May wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message 
>> news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as 
>>>> many third world people as possible.
>>>>
>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical 
>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the 
>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake 
>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>>
>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>
> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public 
> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase 
> overall health in societies?
>
>> is not remotely food to fuel conversion.  That is one reason Kaiser is 
>> the lowest cost medical and tends to have the best results.  But you are 
>> in the very stupid approach that the solution to all resource management 
>> is conservation instead of technology development to expand the options 
>> for being "green". As always your ignorance of almost everything in 
>> society is extremely apparent.
>>> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and 
>>> soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.
>>
>> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food 
>> sources for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.
>
> Maybe, in the future, somewhen. But right now, a lot - don't have the 
> percentage at hand - of the biofuel resources is standing in the way of 
> food resources.
>
>> I exercise to keep myself very health.
>
> Shouldn't there be an adjective?
>
>> My "gym" is an Olympic size trampoline in my back yard I have had for 
>> years.  I am the only person at Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has 
>> ever taken their entire bank of test where they found no detectible 
>> medical problems.  Kaiser keeps a large computer database of all their 
>> medical activities.  They know what is happening and what has happened 
>> there.   The doctors have often made comments to others about my unique 
>> health characteristics.  My family history is that of a very long life.
>>
>> I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of 
>> antibodies which would be impossible to prevent with exercise.  I just 
>> finished 10 days at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a 
>> small amount at a time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate 
>> the antibodies by molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending 
>> antibodies with albumen (blood product) and remove them from my body 
>> where they are discarded. Could give me maybe as much as few years with 
>> out the problem.   The process can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up 
>> again.
>>
>> The process is a low energy treatment.
>>
>> By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford 
>> Medical and me at Kaiser that have the disease.  All three of us are 
>> being treated with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression 
>> of the offending anti-bodies for life.
> >
>> OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded 
>> comments that technology laggards so often do because of their deep 
>> inferiority complex.
>
> What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how 
> interesting it may be,
> or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of 
> transport,
> its contribution to public health and the likes?

The writer was talking about the bike for extended transportation, not 
exercise.  A lot more food to energy wasted than just for exercise.  Now 
technology can mitigate those problems, but the human powered vehicle people 
tend to hate technology advances and want to push for maximum wastefulness 
of food to energy.
>
> You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think, 
> your case must some of a social laggard.

I am at the opposite end of the curve with the innovators and early 
adopters.   We are the most advanced people pushing the design of society to 
improve, not pull it back into a long dead past.  We are the people that 
design the future that people tend to want as what is most desirable for 
their lives.   Its is more complex than that, but you must realize that a 
lot of things go on in society that are not related to technology laggard 
concepts of the world.

You really should try to understand how the culture works at different parts 
of the curve rather than just making uneducated reformatting of my 
statements

In general the technology laggard segment of society has been show in 
research to be the most socially probamatic segment.  The laggards have been 
found to often fail in many of the key social characteristics such as 
connections with people, less than average intelligence, lower income, and 
far fewer accomplishments in life.

The other end of the curve with early adopters and innovators tend to have 
the most successes in most of the key indicators of a healthy life with 
networks of friends, higher intelligence, higher income, much more diverse 
lives, and a richer cultural environment.

You are just objecting to my views which are not the lowest end views that 
you believe in.

"Amy Blankenship"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message 
> news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message 
>>> news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out 
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off 
>>>>> as many third world people as possible.
>>>>>
>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical 
>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the 
>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake 
>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>>>
>>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>>
>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public 
>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase 
>> overall health in societies?
>
> Because if you're not a technology laggard, no amount of proof will 
> convince you that something that's not on the TFIOS (Technology for its 
> Own Sake) list is something that you'd ever remotely want to support, let 
> alone fail to oppose.

Wow do you have a really incompetent understanding of society.   What you 
are saying is exactly the opposite of the technological culture which you 
apparently don't even remotely understand.  In technology, the goal is to 
advance society which is extremely difficult and not just waste time on 
meaningless diversions.  We don't have time to do what your ignorance of 
society claims.

Jack May wrote:
> Wow do you have a really incompetent understanding of society.   What you 
> are saying is exactly the opposite of the technological culture which you 
> apparently don't even remotely understand.  In technology, the goal is to 
> advance society which is extremely difficult and not just waste time on 
> meaningless diversions.  We don't have time to do what your ignorance of 
> society claims.

Go fondle your iPhone.

On Oct 6, 11:00 am, ComandanteBanana 
wrote:
> OK, if we had a revolution in this country (fill in the blank), we
> could put in place a BICYCLE PROGRAM like this. Notice this is
> someone's contribution to the revolution...
>
> (I quote, link below)
>
> If we have a revolution in this country:
>
> 1) We should make cycling a pre-requisite for driver's ed. lessons.
>
> 2) We should give cyclists a tax break for cycling to work (this is
> already in progress, maybe the revolution has already started).
>
> 3) Motorists who approach bicycles should be treated the same way as
> any child molester. Children ride bicycles, therefore anyone who
> approaches a bicycle is a child-molester.
>
> 4) We should build a system of super-bikeways. Every Interstate
> highway and parkway should have a parallel bikeway. The super-bikeways
> should be wide enough for streamlined recumbent bikes to run at speed
> (~80MPH). The superbikeways should have elevated flyover bridges to
> avoid highway crossings.
>
> 5) Privatize the highways- Let bicycle clubs in on the bidding to buy
> highways and charge heavy tolls on cars.
>
> 6) Institute the Death Penalty for any motorist who kills a cyclist.
> (Or at least life in prison.)
>
> 7) Work proactively with Trucking Companies and Teamsters to get roads
> widened, and get inept motorists off the road.
>
> 8) Double or triple the number of Amtrak trains.
>
> 9) Install light-rail back in every city street which once had
> trolleys.
>
> 10) Install a device in every car to limit the speed to the actual
> posted speed-limit. (The technology is coming, we already have GPS.
> Every car should have an RFID chip and every speed-limit sign could
> have a scanner to read said RFID chip.)
>
> 11) Give 100 million dollars to Nascar to expand the Nascar track
> circuit to keep motorists happy. Motorists will still be allowed to
> drive faster than the speed limit, they will just have to do it at the
> nearest motor-sport park.
>
> 12) Make Cycling a sport at every high school. Funds should at least
> match what they are paying for school football.
>
> 13) Install signs reading "SHARE THE ROAD" on more roads.
>
> 14) Double the frequency of road sweeping.
>
> 15) Do more brush cutting to clear roadside vegetation.
>
> 16) Give bicycle companies "Equal Time" with car companies. Television
> and Radio stations will be required to air a bike commercial for every
> car advertisement they run.
>
> 17) install video surveillance at every bicycle rack, to eliminate the
> need for heavy U-locks. Plus install more bicycle racks.
>
> 18) Eliminate street parking for automobiles, make the kerb-side
> (curbside) lane a bike lane.
>
> -Finis-
>
> There may be more good ideas to institute. Thank you, Mr. Quixote1954,
> for starting this thread.
>
> http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=473460

I think you get at least as much bang outta just lowering the speed
limit on all the non-hiway roads to 30mph.

On Oct 7, 1:57 pm, DennisTheBald  wrote:
> On Oct 6, 11:00 am, ComandanteBanana 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > OK, if we had a revolution in this country (fill in the blank), we
> > could put in place a BICYCLE PROGRAM like this. Notice this is
> > someone's contribution to the revolution...
>
> > (I quote, link below)
>
> > If we have a revolution in this country:
>
> > 1) We should make cycling a pre-requisite for driver's ed. lessons.
>
> > 2) We should give cyclists a tax break for cycling to work (this is
> > already in progress, maybe the revolution has already started).
>
> > 3) Motorists who approach bicycles should be treated the same way as
> > any child molester. Children ride bicycles, therefore anyone who
> > approaches a bicycle is a child-molester.
>
> > 4) We should build a system of super-bikeways. Every Interstate
> > highway and parkway should have a parallel bikeway. The super-bikeways
> > should be wide enough for streamlined recumbent bikes to run at speed
> > (~80MPH). The superbikeways should have elevated flyover bridges to
> > avoid highway crossings.
>
> > 5) Privatize the highways- Let bicycle clubs in on the bidding to buy
> > highways and charge heavy tolls on cars.
>
> > 6) Institute the Death Penalty for any motorist who kills a cyclist.
> > (Or at least life in prison.)
>
> > 7) Work proactively with Trucking Companies and Teamsters to get roads
> > widened, and get inept motorists off the road.
>
> > 8) Double or triple the number of Amtrak trains.
>
> > 9) Install light-rail back in every city street which once had
> > trolleys.
>
> > 10) Install a device in every car to limit the speed to the actual
> > posted speed-limit. (The technology is coming, we already have GPS.
> > Every car should have an RFID chip and every speed-limit sign could
> > have a scanner to read said RFID chip.)
>
> > 11) Give 100 million dollars to Nascar to expand the Nascar track
> > circuit to keep motorists happy. Motorists will still be allowed to
> > drive faster than the speed limit, they will just have to do it at the
> > nearest motor-sport park.
>
> > 12) Make Cycling a sport at every high school. Funds should at least
> > match what they are paying for school football.
>
> > 13) Install signs reading "SHARE THE ROAD" on more roads.
>
> > 14) Double the frequency of road sweeping.
>
> > 15) Do more brush cutting to clear roadside vegetation.
>
> > 16) Give bicycle companies "Equal Time" with car companies. Television
> > and Radio stations will be required to air a bike commercial for every
> > car advertisement they run.
>
> > 17) install video surveillance at every bicycle rack, to eliminate the
> > need for heavy U-locks. Plus install more bicycle racks.
>
> > 18) Eliminate street parking for automobiles, make the kerb-side
> > (curbside) lane a bike lane.
>
> > -Finis-
>
> > There may be more good ideas to institute. Thank you, Mr. Quixote1954,
> > for starting this thread.
>
> >http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=473460
>
> I think you get at least as much bang outta just lowering the speed
> limit on all the non-hiway roads to 30mph.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Don't quite understand. I would lower the speed on the right lane to
20 MPH to accomodate bicycle traffic. Then allow higher speeds on
passing lanes regulated both by speed cameras.

On Oct 7, 12:22 am, "Jack May"  wrote:
> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message
>
> news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jack May wrote:
> >> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message
> >>news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
> >>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> >>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> >>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
> >>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as
> >>>> many third world people as possible.
>
> >>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical
> >>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
> >>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
> >>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>
> >> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>
> > How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public
> > health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase
> > overall health in societies?
>
> >> is not remotely food to fuel conversion.  That is one reason Kaiser is
> >> the lowest cost medical and tends to have the best results.  But you are
> >> in the very stupid approach that the solution to all resource management
> >> is conservation instead of technology development to expand the options
> >> for being "green". As always your ignorance of almost everything in
> >> society is extremely apparent.
> >>> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and
> >>> soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.
>
> >> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food
> >> sources for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.
>
> > Maybe, in the future, somewhen. But right now, a lot - don't have the
> > percentage at hand - of the biofuel resources is standing in the way of
> > food resources.
>
> >> I exercise to keep myself very health.
>
> > Shouldn't there be an adjective?
>
> >> My "gym" is an Olympic size trampoline in my back yard I have had for
> >> years.  I am the only person at Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has
> >> ever taken their entire bank of test where they found no detectible
> >> medical problems.  Kaiser keeps a large computer database of all their
> >> medical activities.  They know what is happening and what has happened
> >> there.   The doctors have often made comments to others about my unique
> >> health characteristics.  My family history is that of a very long life.
>
> >> I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of
> >> antibodies which would be impossible to prevent with exercise.  I just
> >> finished 10 days at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a
> >> small amount at a time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate
> >> the antibodies by molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending
> >> antibodies with albumen (blood product) and remove them from my body
> >> where they are discarded. Could give me maybe as much as few years with
> >> out the problem.   The process can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up
> >> again.
>
> >> The process is a low energy treatment.
>
> >> By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford
> >> Medical and me at Kaiser that have the disease.  All three of us are
> >> being treated with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression
> >> of the offending anti-bodies for life.
>
> >> OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded
> >> comments that technology laggards so often do because of their deep
> >> inferiority complex.
>
> > What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how
> > interesting it may be,
> > or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of
> > transport,
> > its contribution to public health and the likes?
>
> The writer was talking about the bike for extended transportation, not
> exercise.  A lot more food to energy wasted than just for exercise.  Now
> technology can mitigate those problems, but the human powered vehicle people
> tend to hate technology advances and want to push for maximum wastefulness
> of food to energy.
>
>
>
> > You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think> > your case must some of a social laggard.
>
> I am at the opposite end of the curve with the innovators and early
> adopters.   We are the most advanced people pushing the design of society to
> improve, not pull it back into a long dead past.  We are the people that
> design the future that people tend to want as what is most desirable for
> their lives.   Its is more complex than that, but you must realize that a
> lot of things go on in society that are not related to technology laggard
> concepts of the world.
>
> You really should try to understand how the culture works at different parts
> of the curve rather than just making uneducated reformatting of my
> statements
>
> In general the technology laggard segment of society has been show in
> research to be the most socially probamatic segment.  The laggards have been
> found to often fail in many of the key social characteristics such as
> connections with people, less than average intelligence, lower income, and
> far fewer accomplishments in life.

I think you are about to prove that walking is obsolete in America...

Source: Talking Point, BBC News

Having lived in the US last year, I can say most of the comments here
belittling this lawsuit stem from ignorance of life in the US. People
here in the UK are MUCH more aware of what is healthy. In the US "Big
Food" dominates the airwaves and the vast majority of people are
genuinely misinformed. Americans live off processed food regularly
now.
Having said that, I think the lawsuit is partially misguided because
bad
food is no more than half the problem of obesity that is now coming
to
the fore in the US. The other half is the lifestyle the country
imposes
on people. In the US you are literally FORCED to drive everywhere -
even
a 5 minute hop to a local supermarket. People live in a system where
they do everything sitting down. So it is not just that massive
amounts
of calories (with little nutrition) are readily and cheaply on offer,
but that burning any of it off in the normal course of a day is near
impossible.
James, UK

Luckily, America offers a substitute to it...

(I think is on sale now)

http://www.thescooterstore.com/products/

Jack May wrote:
> [...]
> The writer was talking about the bike for extended transportation, not 
> exercise.  A lot more food to energy wasted than just for exercise.  Now 
> technology can mitigate those problems, but the human powered vehicle people 
> tend to hate technology advances and want to push for maximum wastefulness 
> of food to energy.

The amount of extra energy spent in "exercise" could transport a person 
to work and back (assuming they live a reasonable distance away). A 
bicycle is extremely efficient.

>> You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think, 
>> your case must some of a social laggard.
> 
> I am at the opposite end of the curve with the innovators and early 
> adopters.   We are the most advanced people pushing the design of society to 
> improve, not pull it back into a long dead past.  We are the people that 
> design the future that people tend to want as what is most desirable for 
> their lives.   Its is more complex than that, but you must realize that a 
> lot of things go on in society that are not related to technology laggard 
> concepts of the world.
> 
> You really should try to understand how the culture works at different parts 
> of the curve rather than just making uneducated reformatting of my 
> statements
> 
> In general the technology laggard segment of society has been show in 
> research to be the most socially probamatic segment.  The laggards have been 
> found to often fail in many of the key social characteristics such as 
> connections with people, less than average intelligence, lower income, and 
> far fewer accomplishments in life.
> 
Citation? Or more kookieness from Mr. May?

> The other end of the curve with early adopters and innovators tend to have 
> the most successes in most of the key indicators of a healthy life with 
> networks of friends, higher intelligence, higher income, much more diverse 
> lives, and a richer cultural environment.
> 
Like bouncing on a trampoline?

> You are just objecting to my views which are not the lowest end views that 
> you believe in.
> 
Any more baseless accusations?

-- 
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If my posts in general annoy or offend, please kill-file.

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	"Jack May"  writes:
> 
> "Amy Blankenship"  wrote in message 
> news:x9rGk.44536$rD2.27291@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message 
>> news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out 
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off 
>>>>>> as many third world people as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical 
>>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the 
>>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake 
>>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>>>>
>>>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>>>
>>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public 
>>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase 
>>> overall health in societies?
>>
>> Because if you're not a technology laggard, no amount of proof will 
>> convince you that something that's not on the TFIOS (Technology for its 
>> Own Sake) list is something that you'd ever remotely want to support, let 
>> alone fail to oppose.
> 
> Wow do you have a really incompetent understanding of society.   What you 
> are saying is exactly the opposite of the technological culture which you 
> apparently don't even remotely understand.  In technology, the goal is to 
> advance society which is extremely difficult and not just waste time on 
> meaningless diversions.  We don't have time to do what your ignorance of 
> society claims.

You forgot to submit a link to a Technocracy propaganda site.

Who's this "we" anyways?  Fellow Technocracy nuts?  I hope so,
'cuz it could be worse.  And who's this collective "you" to whom
you refer, who possesses this allegedly ignorant society?

It's easy to advance society.  Just be nice to people.  Or at least,
don't step on people's toes.  And share somewhat of what you've got
with others.  Don't need no hi-falootin' EMP-sensitive
microcircuitry to accomplish that.

Perhaps some of us have a really incompetent understanding of
/ant/ society.  But we aren't ants.

Gary Numan warned us of people like you.  Actually, so did
H.G. Wells, et al.



-- 
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Jack May schrieb:
> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message 
> news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
>> Jack May wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message 
>>> news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as 
>>>>> many third world people as possible.
>>>>>
>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical 
>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the 
>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake 
>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public 
>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase 
>> overall health in societies?
>>
>>> is not remotely food to fuel conversion.  That is one reason Kaiser is 
>>> the lowest cost medical and tends to have the best results.  But you are 
>>> in the very stupid approach that the solution to all resource management 
>>> is conservation instead of technology development to expand the options 
>>> for being "green". As always your ignorance of almost everything in 
>>> society is extremely apparent.
>>>> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and 
>>>> soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.
>>> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food 
>>> sources for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.
>> Maybe, in the future, somewhen. But right now, a lot - don't have the 
>> percentage at hand - of the biofuel resources is standing in the way of 
>> food resources.
>>
>>> I exercise to keep myself very health.
>> Shouldn't there be an adjective?
>>
>>> My "gym" is an Olympic size trampoline in my back yard I have had for 
>>> years.  I am the only person at Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has 
>>> ever taken their entire bank of test where they found no detectible 
>>> medical problems.  Kaiser keeps a large computer database of all their 
>>> medical activities.  They know what is happening and what has happened 
>>> there.   The doctors have often made comments to others about my unique 
>>> health characteristics.  My family history is that of a very long life.
>>>
>>> I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of 
>>> antibodies which would be impossible to prevent with exercise.  I just 
>>> finished 10 days at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a 
>>> small amount at a time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate 
>>> the antibodies by molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending 
>>> antibodies with albumen (blood product) and remove them from my body 
>>> where they are discarded. Could give me maybe as much as few years with 
>>> out the problem.   The process can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up 
>>> again.
>>>
>>> The process is a low energy treatment.
>>>
>>> By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford 
>>> Medical and me at Kaiser that have the disease.  All three of us are 
>>> being treated with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression 
>>> of the offending anti-bodies for life.
>>>
>>> OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded 
>>> comments that technology laggards so often do because of their deep 
>>> inferiority complex.
>> What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how 
>> interesting it may be,
>> or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of 
>> transport,
>> its contribution to public health and the likes?
> 
> The writer was talking about the bike for extended transportation, not 
> exercise.  A lot more food to energy wasted than just for exercise.  Now 
> technology can mitigate those problems, but the human powered vehicle people 
> tend to hate technology advances and want to push for maximum wastefulness 
> of food to energy.

Hej Jack, did/do you evert think about - in a sense of reflecting - the 
meaning what you are saying?
How comes that cycling for recreation uses less energy than cycling as a 
mode of transport?
If your'e refferring to body energy used, than recreational uses at 
least as much body energy. Presumably or very likely way much, if you 
consider the higher speeds that sportive cyclers use. Hell of a 
difference in riding 30 km/h or just 15 km/h on an average over lets say 
4 to 5 hours.
If you consider the enrgy bound in the bike, I do not know, why for 
example a roadbike should have higher production energie tied to it, 
than some city bike? There might be some differences, as those high 
class bikes have many exotic materials. But on the other hand high class 
bikes have many more parts constructed not in far eastern asia and 
therefore less transportation energy to the delivery area.

>> You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think, 
>> your case must some of a social laggard.
> 
> I am at the opposite end of the curve with the innovators and early 
> adopters.
> We are the most advanced people pushing the design of society to 
> improve, not pull it back into a long dead past.  We are the people that 
> design the future that people tend to want as what is most desirable for 
> their lives.   Its is more complex than that, but you must realize that a 
> lot of things go on in society that are not related to technology laggard 
> concepts of the world.

There's a saying in my country, that those cocks that crow the loudest, 
are the worst with the hens.
Dont' people looking at a nuthouse - from the inside - quite ofteh share 
similar views (reffering to we, when sharing personal views, accusing 
all others of being the bad ones/stupid/without 
understanding/agressive/etc. etc. etc. ?

> You really should try to understand how the culture works at different parts 
> of the curve rather than just making uneducated reformatting of my 
> statements.

Quite a good idea, why don't you start with it?

> In general the technology laggard segment of society has been show in 
> research to be the most socially probamatic segment.

Quote? Or just a product of your imagination?

> The laggards have been 
> found to often fail in many of the key social characteristics such as 
> connections with people, less than average intelligence, lower income, and 
> far fewer accomplishments in life.

Buahhaaa, what are those cheap implications you're transporting with 
this crudely simplistic world view?
How about some source, that all those laggards notoriously annoying you 
from the other end, might get a chance to read what they selves are up to?

> The other end of the curve with early adopters and innovators tend to have 
> the most successes in most of the key indicators of a healthy life with 
> networks of friends, higher intelligence, higher income, much more diverse 
> lives, and a richer cultural environment.

Yeah seems plainly logic, that higher intelligence correlates positively 
with higher income and better health.
Does it also correlate with tolerance, empathy, humanism and the likes 
positively?
But please have mercy with the scum and show me and all the other 
alleged scum from the "other" end of that curve (bzw. is this in this 
case a gaussian curve or something else?) those correlative contexts.
But nevertheless, all members of homo sapiens sapiens to be bound to 
their natural boundaries, some more some less: I do not see a little bit 
of hopping on a trampolin as the crest of human physical deployment.

Does my comparatively rather intense sporting life, including cycling as 
a means of transport, also make me member of group laggard xyz (insert 
field of personal favour here)?

Tadej
-- 
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it."
<Upton Sinclair in The Jungle>

ComandanteBanana schrieb:
> On Oct 7, 12:22 am, "Jack May"  wrote:
>> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message
>>>> news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Jack May wrote:
>>>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
>>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
>>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
>>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
>>>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as
>>>>>> many third world people as possible.
>>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical
>>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
>>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
>>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>>>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public
>>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase
>>> overall health in societies?
>>>> is not remotely food to fuel conversion.  That is one reason Kaiser is
>>>> the lowest cost medical and tends to have the best results.  But you are
>>>> in the very stupid approach that the solution to all resource management
>>>> is conservation instead of technology development to expand the options
>>>> for being "green". As always your ignorance of almost everything in
>>>> society is extremely apparent.
>>>>> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and
>>>>> soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.
>>>> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food
>>>> sources for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.
>>> Maybe, in the future, somewhen. But right now, a lot - don't have the
>>> percentage at hand - of the biofuel resources is standing in the way of
>>> food resources.
>>>> I exercise to keep myself very health.
>>> Shouldn't there be an adjective?
>>>> My "gym" is an Olympic size trampoline in my back yard I have had for
>>>> years.  I am the only person at Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has
>>>> ever taken their entire bank of test where they found no detectible
>>>> medical problems.  Kaiser keeps a large computer database of all their
>>>> medical activities.  They know what is happening and what has happened
>>>> there.   The doctors have often made comments to others about my unique
>>>> health characteristics.  My family history is that of a very long life.
>>>> I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of
>>>> antibodies which would be impossible to prevent with exercise.  I just
>>>> finished 10 days at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a
>>>> small amount at a time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate
>>>> the antibodies by molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending
>>>> antibodies with albumen (blood product) and remove them from my body
>>>> where they are discarded. Could give me maybe as much as few years with
>>>> out the problem.   The process can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up
>>>> again.
>>>> The process is a low energy treatment.
>>>> By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford
>>>> Medical and me at Kaiser that have the disease.  All three of us are
>>>> being treated with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression
>>>> of the offending anti-bodies for life.
>>>> OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded
>>>> comments that technology laggards so often do because of their deep
>>>> inferiority complex.
>>> What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how
>>> interesting it may be,
>>> or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of
>>> transport,
>>> its contribution to public health and the likes?
>> The writer was talking about the bike for extended transportation, not
>> exercise.  A lot more food to energy wasted than just for exercise.  Now
>> technology can mitigate those problems, but the human powered vehicle people
>> tend to hate technology advances and want to push for maximum wastefulness
>> of food to energy.
>>
>>
>>
>>> You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think,
>>> your case must some of a social laggard.
>> I am at the opposite end of the curve with the innovators and early
>> adopters.   We are the most advanced people pushing the design of society to
>> improve, not pull it back into a long dead past.  We are the people that
>> design the future that people tend to want as what is most desirable for
>> their lives.   Its is more complex than that, but you must realize that a
>> lot of things go on in society that are not related to technology laggard
>> concepts of the world.
>>
>> You really should try to understand how the culture works at different parts
>> of the curve rather than just making uneducated reformatting of my
>> statements
>>
>> In general the technology laggard segment of society has been show in
>> research to be the most socially probamatic segment.  The laggards have been
>> found to often fail in many of the key social characteristics such as
>> connections with people, less than average intelligence, lower income, and
>> far fewer accomplishments in life.
> 
> I think you are about to prove that walking is obsolete in America...
> 
> Source: Talking Point, BBC News
> 
> Having lived in the US last year, I can say most of the comments here
> belittling this lawsuit stem from ignorance of life in the US. People
> here in the UK are MUCH more aware of what is healthy. In the US "Big
> Food" dominates the airwaves and the vast majority of people are
> genuinely misinformed. Americans live off processed food regularly
> now.
> Having said that, I think the lawsuit is partially misguided because
> bad
> food is no more than half the problem of obesity that is now coming
> to
> the fore in the US. The other half is the lifestyle the country
> imposes
> on people. In the US you are literally FORCED to drive everywhere -
> even
> a 5 minute hop to a local supermarket. People live in a system where
> they do everything sitting down. So it is not just that massive
> amounts
> of calories (with little nutrition) are readily and cheaply on offer,
> but that burning any of it off in the normal course of a day is near
> impossible.
> James, UK
> 
> Luckily, America offers a substitute to it...
> 
> (I think is on sale now)

I do think that all intelligent people around the world wonder about 
this rather strange Mumbo Jumbo behaviour. Although the health 
destroying convenience illusion is rapidly progressing around the world, 
including it's obesity and health "side effects".

But hey, didn't last year Conklin and May try to explain us, that 
obesity increases life length and health?

Tadej
-- 
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary
depends upon his not understanding it.”
<Upton Sinclair in The Jungle>

On Oct 7, 10:04 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article ,
>         "Jack May"  writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Amy Blankenship"  wrote in message
> >news:x9rGk.44536$rD2.27291@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> >> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message
> >>news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> >>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>>>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out
> >>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> >>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> >>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
> >>>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off
> >>>>>> as many third world people as possible.
>
> >>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical
> >>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
> >>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
> >>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>
> >>>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>
> >>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public
> >>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase
> >>> overall health in societies?
>
> >> Because if you're not a technology laggard, no amount of proof will
> >> convince you that something that's not on the TFIOS (Technology for its
> >> Own Sake) list is something that you'd ever remotely want to support, let
> >> alone fail to oppose.
>
> > Wow do you have a really incompetent understanding of society.   What you
> > are saying is exactly the opposite of the technological culture which you
> > apparently don't even remotely understand.  In technology, the goal is to
> > advance society which is extremely difficult and not just waste time on
> > meaningless diversions.  We don't have time to do what your ignorance of
> > society claims.
>
> You forgot to submit a link to a Technocracy propaganda site.
>
> Who's this "we" anyways?  Fellow Technocracy nuts?  I hope so,
> 'cuz it could be worse.  And who's this collective "you" to whom
> you refer, who possesses this allegedly ignorant society?
>
> It's easy to advance society.  Just be nice to people.  Or at least,
> don't step on people's toes.  And share somewhat of what you've got
> with others.  Don't need no hi-falootin' EMP-sensitive
> microcircuitry to accomplish that.
>
> Perhaps some of us have a really incompetent understanding of
> /ant/ society.  But we aren't ants.

We may not be ants, but they sound like dinosaurs to me... ;)

EVOLVE OR...

Once upon a time lived a race of dinosaurs whose violence and appetite
alarmed everybody... One day a Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped
upon, and worried about her cooperative enterprise, came up to the
Americanus Raptor --the biggest dinosaur of them all-- and asked: "Why
you eat and eat everything in your path? Why don't you slim down? Why
can't we little animals at least have our own way? You can't deny
evolution, you know." Then the dinosaur, blowing the Little Ant away,
shouted: "Bigger is better, so get lost!"

And it is said that the Little Ant, later, gathered the whole
cooperative and said: "Comrades, our world is being threatened by the
dinosaurs, so..." And at that precise moment the Earth was hit by a
big ball of fire, destroying all but the small animals...

Moral: "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the
most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." -Charles
Darwin

On Oct 8, 6:15 am, Tadej Brezina  wrote:
> ComandanteBanana schrieb:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 12:22 am, "Jack May"  wrote:
> >> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
>
> >>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >>>>> Jack May wrote:
> >>>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there
> >>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> >>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> >>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
> >>>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as
> >>>>>> many third world people as possible.
> >>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical
> >>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
> >>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
> >>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
> >>>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
> >>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public
> >>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase
> >>> overall health in societies?
> >>>> is not remotely food to fuel conversion.  That is one reason Kaiser is
> >>>> the lowest cost medical and tends to have the best results.  But you are
> >>>> in the very stupid approach that the solution to all resource management
> >>>> is conservation instead of technology development to expand the options
> >>>> for being "green". As always your ignorance of almost everything in
> >>>> society is extremely apparent.
> >>>>> We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and
> >>>>> soy beans) being used to make motor fuel.
> >>>> The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food
> >>>> sources for fuel.  You are way out of touch with what is going on.
> >>> Maybe, in the future, somewhen. But right now, a lot - don't have the
> >>> percentage at hand - of the biofuel resources is standing in the way of
> >>> food resources.
> >>>> I exercise to keep myself very health.
> >>> Shouldn't there be an adjective?
> >>>> My "gym" is an Olympic size trampoline in my back yard I have had for
> >>>> years.  I am the only person at Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has
> >>>> ever taken their entire bank of test where they found no detectible
> >>>> medical problems.  Kaiser keeps a large computer database of all their
> >>>> medical activities.  They know what is happening and what has happened
> >>>> there.   The doctors have often made comments to others about my unique
> >>>> health characteristics.  My family history is that of a very long life.
> >>>> I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of
> >>>> antibodies which would be impossible to prevent with exercise.  I just
> >>>> finished 10 days at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a
> >>>> small amount at a time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate
> >>>> the antibodies by molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending
> >>>> antibodies with albumen (blood product) and remove them from my body
> >>>> where they are discarded. Could give me maybe as much as few years with
> >>>> out the problem.   The process can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up
> >>>> again.
> >>>> The process is a low energy treatment.
> >>>> By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford
> >>>> Medical and me at Kaiser that have the disease.  All three of us are
> >>>> being treated with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression
> >>>> of the offending anti-bodies for life.
> >>>> OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded
> >>>> comments that technology laggards so often do because of their deep
> >>>> inferiority complex.
> >>> What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how
> >>> interesting it may be,
> >>> or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of
> >>> transport,
> >>> its contribution to public health and the likes?
> >> The writer was talking about the bike for extended transportation, not
> >> exercise.  A lot more food to energy wasted than just for exercise.  Now
> >> technology can mitigate those problems, but the human powered vehicle people
> >> tend to hate technology advances and want to push for maximum wastefulness
> >> of food to energy.
>
> >>> You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think,
> >>> your case must some of a social laggard.
> >> I am at the opposite end of the curve with the innovators and early
> >> adopters.   We are the most advanced people pushing the design of society to
> >> improve, not pull it back into a long dead past.  We are the people that
> >> design the future that people tend to want as what is most desirable for
> >> their lives.   Its is more complex than that, but you must realize that a
> >> lot of things go on in society that are not related to technology laggard
> >> concepts of the world.
>
> >> You really should try to understand how the culture works at different parts
> >> of the curve rather than just making uneducated reformatting of my
> >> statements
>
> >> In general the technology laggard segment of society has been show in
> >> research to be the most socially probamatic segment.  The laggards have been
> >> found to often fail in many of the key social characteristics such as
> >> connections with people, less than average intelligence, lower income, and
> >> far fewer accomplishments in life.
>
> > I think you are about to prove that walking is obsolete in America...
>
> > Source: Talking Point, BBC News
>
> > Having lived in the US last year, I can say most of the comments here
> > belittling this lawsuit stem from ignorance of life in the US. People
> > here in the UK are MUCH more aware of what is healthy. In the US "Big
> > Food" dominates the airwaves and the vast majority of people are
> > genuinely misinformed. Americans live off processed food regularly
> > now.
> > Having said that, I think the lawsuit is partially misguided because
> > bad
> > food is no more than half the problem of obesity that is now coming
> > to
> > the fore in the US. The other half is the lifestyle the country
> > imposes
> > on people. In the US you are literally FORCED to drive everywhere -
> > even
> > a 5 minute hop to a local supermarket. People live in a system where
> > they do everything sitting down. So it is not just that massive
> > amounts
> > of calories (with little nutrition) are readily and cheaply on offer,
> > but that burning any of it off in the normal course of a day is near
> > impossible.
> > James, UK
>
> > Luckily, America offers a substitute to it...
>
> > (I think is on sale now)
>
> I do think that all intelligent people around the world wonder about
> this rather strange Mumbo Jumbo behaviour. Although the health
> destroying convenience illusion is rapidly progressing around the world,
> including it's obesity and health "side effects".
>
> But hey, didn't last year Conklin and May try to explain us, that
> obesity increases life length and health?

It's funnny that the there's a certain behavior (let's call it the
"American way of life") in which being a perfect couch potato is
considered bliss...

So everything is AUTOMATIC, the car you drive (saves you the "work" to
shift gears), the stairs, the motorboat (who cares about those sails
or paddles) and finally the electric scooter to save you from walking
in old age. Of course, EVERYTHING AUTOMATIC HAS A PRICE, whether
thats' a price tag, or an OBESITY DISEASE.

Then again HEALTHCARE HAS PRICE TAG TOO, so we are back to square one.

http://www.sethbarnes.com/imagefolder/seth/ske_couch_potato_lg.jpg

On Oct 8, 10:11 am, ComandanteBanana 
wrote:
> On Oct 7, 10:04 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article ,
> >         "Jack May"  writes:
>
> > > "Amy Blankenship"  wrote in message
> > >news:x9rGk.44536$rD2.27291@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> > >> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message
> > >>news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> > >>> Jack May wrote:
> > >>>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message
> > >>>>news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > >>>>> Jack May wrote:
> > >>>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
> > >>>>>>news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out
> > >>>>>>> there
> > >>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> > >>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> > >>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
> > >>>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off
> > >>>>>> as many third world people as possible.
>
> > >>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical
> > >>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
> > >>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
> > >>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
>
> > >>>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
>
> > >>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public
> > >>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase
> > >>> overall health in societies?
>
> > >> Because if you're not a technology laggard, no amount of proof will
> > >> convince you that something that's not on the TFIOS (Technology for its
> > >> Own Sake) list is something that you'd ever remotely want to support, let
> > >> alone fail to oppose.
>
> > > Wow do you have a really incompetent understanding of society.   What you
> > > are saying is exactly the opposite of the technological culture which you
> > > apparently don't even remotely understand.  In technology, the goal is to
> > > advance society which is extremely difficult and not just waste time on
> > > meaningless diversions.  We don't have time to do what your ignorance of
> > > society claims.
>
> > You forgot to submit a link to a Technocracy propaganda site.
>
> > Who's this "we" anyways?  Fellow Technocracy nuts?  I hope so,
> > 'cuz it could be worse.  And who's this collective "you" to whom
> > you refer, who possesses this allegedly ignorant society?
>
> > It's easy to advance society.  Just be nice to people.  Or at least> > don't step on people's toes.  And share somewhat of what you've got
> > with others.  Don't need no hi-falootin' EMP-sensitive
> > microcircuitry to accomplish that.
>
> > Perhaps some of us have a really incompetent understanding of
> > /ant/ society.  But we aren't ants.
>
> We may not be ants, but they sound like dinosaurs to me... ;)
>
> EVOLVE OR...
>
> Once upon a time lived a race of dinosaurs whose violence and appetite
> alarmed everybody... One day a Little Ant, tired of feeling stepped
> upon, and worried about her cooperative enterprise, came up to the
> Americanus Raptor --the biggest dinosaur of them all-- and asked: "Why
> you eat and eat everything in your path? Why don't you slim down? Why
> can't we little animals at least have our own way? You can't deny
> evolution, you know." Then the dinosaur, blowing the Little Ant away,
> shouted: "Bigger is better, so get lost!"
>
> And it is said that the Little Ant, later, gathered the whole
> cooperative and said: "Comrades, our world is being threatened by the
> dinosaurs, so..." And at that precise moment the Earth was hit by a
> big ball of fire, destroying all but the small animals...
>
> Moral: "It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the
> most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." -Charles
> Darwin

You make no sense whatsover.  You should not NGWI.

On Oct 8, 12:44 pm, Pat  wrote:
> On Oct 8, 10:11 am, ComandanteBanana 
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> > On Oct 7, 10:04 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
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> > > In article ,
> > >         "Jack May"  writes:
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> > > > "Amy Blankenship"  wrote in message
> > > >news:x9rGk.44536$rD2.27291@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
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> > > >> "Tadej Brezina"  wrote in message
> > > >>news:48e9d8de$0$12126$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
> > > >>> Jack May wrote:
> > > >>>> "Tom Sherman"  wrote in message
> > > >>>>news:gcb7lj$846$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > > >>>>> Jack May wrote:
> > > >>>>>> "ComandanteBanana"  wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>news:a0ce8f49-f74e-40e0-bec3-41b02f212ef2@y29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > > >>>>>>> If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out
> > > >>>>>>> there
> > > >>>>>>> (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably
> > > >>>>>>> take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for
> > > >>>>>>> bikes. Good bikes for that matter.
> > > >>>>>> In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off
> > > >>>>>> as many third world people as possible.
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> > > >>>>> And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical
> > > >>>>> activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the
> > > >>>>> makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake
> > > >>>>> in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no?
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> > > >>>> Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems
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> > > >>> How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public
> > > >>> health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to incr