On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:36:12 퍝, Graz  wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:21:27 퍝, "Peter Hucker" 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:50:08 퍝, Graz  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:04:06 퍝, "Peter Hucker" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:58:20 퍝, Graz  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:23:11 퍝, "Peter Hucker" >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:29:33 퍝, Graz  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:42:15 퍝, "Peter Hucker" =
>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:54:07 퍝, Graz  wrote>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:26:00 퍝, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.co=
>> m>=3D
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you being deliberately obtuse?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Realistic =3D3D3D3D obtuse?.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are appearing not very bright.  You will feel 70 at 80, you w=
>> il=3D
>>>> l =3D3D
>>>>>> fee=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> l 60 at 70, you will feel 50 at 60, you will feel 40 at 50.  You'=
>> ll=3D
>>>> f=3D3D
>>>>>> eel=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> younger all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, you will feel 50 at 50, 60 at 60 and then you die!  LOL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you think people that live to 100 feel the same when they are 60=
>> a=3D
>>>> s s=3D3D
>>>>>> omeone who is about to die at 60?
>>>>>
>>>>> Those who are about to die at 60 usually don't know they're about to=
>>
>>>>> die, so yes.
>>>>
>>>> They usually know they are more likely to die.  Unless it's a hit and=
>> ru=3D
>>>> n.
>>>
>>> Nobody thinks it's gonna happen until it happens.
>>
>> If you've got cancer I think you know.
>
> And if you haven't you don't!

FFS, my point is a person who lives only to 60 is at 100% of their life when they're 60.  A person who lives to 100 is only at 60% of their life when they are 60, so they are the way the first person was when they were 36!


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On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:07:52 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:36:12 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:21:27 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:50:08 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:04:06 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:58:20 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:23:11 +0100, "Peter Hucker" =
>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:29:33 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:42:15 +0100, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.co=
>m>=3D
>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:54:07 +0100, Graz  wrote=
>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:26:00 +0100, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.=
>co=3D
>>> m>=3D3D
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you being deliberately obtuse?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Realistic =3D3D3D3D3D obtuse?.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are appearing not very bright.  You will feel 70 at 80, you=
> w=3D
>>> il=3D3D
>>>>> l =3D3D3D
>>>>>>> fee=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> l 60 at 70, you will feel 50 at 60, you will feel 40 at 50.  Yo=
>u'=3D
>>> ll=3D3D
>>>>> f=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> eel=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> younger all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, you will feel 50 at 50, 60 at 60 and then you die!  LOL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you think people that live to 100 feel the same when they are =
>60=3D
>>> a=3D3D
>>>>> s s=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> omeone who is about to die at 60?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those who are about to die at 60 usually don't know they're about =
>to=3D
>>>
>>>>>> die, so yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> They usually know they are more likely to die.  Unless it's a hit a=
>nd=3D
>>> ru=3D3D
>>>>> n.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody thinks it's gonna happen until it happens.
>>>
>>> If you've got cancer I think you know.
>>
>> And if you haven't you don't!
>
>FFS, my point is a person who lives only to 60 is at 100% of their life =
>when they're 60.  A person who lives to 100 is only at 60% of their life=
> when they are 60, so they are the way the first person was when they we=
>re 36!

Someone at 60 is never the same as someone at 36.  Can't be done!

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:05:37 퍝, Graz  wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:07:52 퍝, "Peter Hucker" 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:36:12 퍝, Graz  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:21:27 퍝, "Peter Hucker" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:50:08 퍝, Graz  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:04:06 퍝, "Peter Hucker" >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:58:20 퍝, Graz  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:23:11 퍝, "Peter Hucker" =
>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:29:33 퍝, Graz  wrote>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:42:15 퍝, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.co=
>> m>=3D
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:54:07 퍝, Graz  wrote=
>> :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:26:00 퍝, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.=
>> co=3D
>>>> m>=3D3D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you being deliberately obtuse?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Realistic =3D3D3D3D3D obtuse?.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are appearing not very bright.  You will feel 70 at 80, you=
>> w=3D
>>>> il=3D3D
>>>>>> l =3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> fee=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> l 60 at 70, you will feel 50 at 60, you will feel 40 at 50.  Yo=
>> u'=3D
>>>> ll=3D3D
>>>>>> f=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> eel=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> younger all the time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, you will feel 50 at 50, 60 at 60 and then you die!  LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you think people that live to 100 feel the same when they are =
>> 60=3D
>>>> a=3D3D
>>>>>> s s=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> omeone who is about to die at 60?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those who are about to die at 60 usually don't know they're about =
>> to=3D
>>>>
>>>>>>> die, so yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They usually know they are more likely to die.  Unless it's a hit a=
>> nd=3D
>>>> ru=3D3D
>>>>>> n.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody thinks it's gonna happen until it happens.
>>>>
>>>> If you've got cancer I think you know.
>>>
>>> And if you haven't you don't!
>>
>> FFS, my point is a person who lives only to 60 is at 100% of their life =
>> when they're 60.  A person who lives to 100 is only at 60% of their life=
>> when they are 60, so they are the way the first person was when they we=
>> re 36!
>
> Someone at 60 is never the same as someone at 36.  Can't be done!

If yu drink and smoke heavily, yes.


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There were no injuries.

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:45:00 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:05:37 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:07:52 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:36:12 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:21:27 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:50:08 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:04:06 +0100, "Peter Hucker" =
>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:58:20 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:23:11 +0100, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.co=
>m>=3D
>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:29:33 +0100, Graz  wrote=
>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:42:15 +0100, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.=
>co=3D
>>> m>=3D3D
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:54:07 +0100, Graz  wro=
>te=3D
>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:26:00 +0100, "Peter Hucker" <none@spa=
>m.=3D
>>> co=3D3D
>>>>> m>=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you being deliberately obtuse?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Realistic =3D3D3D3D3D3D obtuse?.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are appearing not very bright.  You will feel 70 at 80, y=
>ou=3D
>>> w=3D3D
>>>>> il=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> l =3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> fee=3D3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>> l 60 at 70, you will feel 50 at 60, you will feel 40 at 50.  =
>Yo=3D
>>> u'=3D3D
>>>>> ll=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> f=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> eel=3D3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>> younger all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, you will feel 50 at 50, 60 at 60 and then you die!  LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you think people that live to 100 feel the same when they ar=
>e =3D
>>> 60=3D3D
>>>>> a=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> s s=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>> omeone who is about to die at 60?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those who are about to die at 60 usually don't know they're abou=
>t =3D
>>> to=3D3D
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> die, so yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They usually know they are more likely to die.  Unless it's a hit=
> a=3D
>>> nd=3D3D
>>>>> ru=3D3D3D
>>>>>>> n.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody thinks it's gonna happen until it happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you've got cancer I think you know.
>>>>
>>>> And if you haven't you don't!
>>>
>>> FFS, my point is a person who lives only to 60 is at 100% of their li=
>fe =3D
>>> when they're 60.  A person who lives to 100 is only at 60% of their l=
>ife=3D
>>> when they are 60, so they are the way the first person was when they =
>we=3D
>>> re 36!
>>
>> Someone at 60 is never the same as someone at 36.  Can't be done!
>
>If yu drink and smoke heavily, yes.

If you drink and smoke heavily at 60, all the less so.

In uk.rec.cycling Graz  wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:07:52 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
> wrote:

>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:36:12 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:21:27 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 05:50:08 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 00:04:06 +0100, "Peter Hucker" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:58:20 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:23:11 +0100, "Peter Hucker" =
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:29:33 +0100, Graz  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:42:15 +0100, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.co=
>>m>=3D
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:54:07 +0100, Graz  wrote=
>>:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:26:00 +0100, "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.=
>>co=3D
>>>> m>=3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> You are appearing not very bright.  You will feel 70 at 80, you=
>> w=3D
>>>> il=3D3D
>>>>>> l =3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> fee=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> l 60 at 70, you will feel 50 at 60, you will feel 40 at 50.  Yo=
>>u'=3D
>>>> ll=3D3D
>>>>>> f=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> eel=3D3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> younger all the time.

>>>>>>>>> No, you will feel 50 at 50, 60 at 60 and then you die!  LOL

>>>>>>>> So you think people that live to 100 feel the same when they are =
>>60=3D
>>>> a=3D3D
>>>>>> s s=3D3D3D
>>>>>>>> omeone who is about to die at 60?

>>>>>>> Those who are about to die at 60 usually don't know they're about =
>>to=3D
>>>>
>>>>>>> die, so yes.

>>>>>> They usually know they are more likely to die.  Unless it's a hit a=
>>nd=3D
>>>> ru=3D3D
>>>>>> n.

>>>>> Nobody thinks it's gonna happen until it happens.

>>>> If you've got cancer I think you know.

>>> And if you haven't you don't!

>>FFS, my point is a person who lives only to 60 is at 100% of their life =
>>when they're 60.  A person who lives to 100 is only at 60% of their life=
>> when they are 60, so they are the way the first person was when they we=
>>re 36!

> Someone at 60 is never the same as someone at 36.  Can't be done!

There are too many factors for unarguable identity to be possible, but
in general terms of health, fitness, energy, etc., I have been rather
startled to notice on occasional spontaneous short hill walks in
lovely weather that it's not hard to find people in their mid 30s who
become distressingly exhausted trying to keep up with what I, in my
mid 60s, thought was a slow amble up a hill, and who complain of more
joint pains in the knees than I have ever suffered from. Generally
speaking they're overweight car owners with desk jobs who take no
exercise who hadn't realised how far their fitness had degenerated in
the ten years since they last walked up a steep hill.

A few hundred yards up a steep hill I think it's not unreasonable to
say that I feel a lot younger than they do, despite being 30 years
older.

-- 
Chris Malcolm, IPAB, School of Informatics,
Informatics Forum, 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB

"Chris Malcolm"  wrote in message 
news:gb54h9$95a$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk...
>
> There are too many factors for unarguable identity to be possible, but
> in general terms of health, fitness, energy, etc., I have been rather
> startled to notice on occasional spontaneous short hill walks in
> lovely weather that it's not hard to find people in their mid 30s who
> become distressingly exhausted trying to keep up with what I, in my
> mid 60s, thought was a slow amble up a hill, and who complain of more
> joint pains in the knees than I have ever suffered from. Generally
> speaking they're overweight car owners with desk jobs who take no
> exercise who hadn't realised how far their fitness had degenerated in
> the ten years since they last walked up a steep hill.
>
> A few hundred yards up a steep hill I think it's not unreasonable to
> say that I feel a lot younger than they do, despite being 30 years
> older.
>

Being off the bike at the moment, I'm both looking forward to and dreading 
getting back on the bike. I *know* I've had a loss in fitness. When I get 
back on the bike, it's going to hurt, but at the same time, I want to get 
back on. I'm desparately missing it - especially on a day like today. Doing 
lots of chauffeur duties has given me a nasty case of chauffeur's 4r$3... 
bah!

Also when cycling regularly, even when obese, I have experienced occasions 
when my level of fitness was demonstrably higher than some slim, young thing 
who obviously takes no exercise. I have allowed myself the odd smug moment 
when as a fat-forty-something, I've sped past the 
slim-but-unfit-twenty-something who is out of breath walking up stairs...