Another scrape last night (12 stitches). I've decided to get a little more
pro-active about dealing with problem motorists. Anybody got some
suggesstions on gathering evidence, I was looking at

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/0363826/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CSports+and+leisure%7C10199392/c_2/2%7Ccat_10199392%7CBikes+and+cycling%7C10199440.htm

but looks like it might be a bit of a toy. Is there a body of knowledge
somone could direct me to or some product suggestions ?

Cheers,

Bruce.

anern said the following on 30/08/2008 09:34:

> but looks like it might be a bit of a toy. Is there a body of knowledge
> somone could direct me to or some product suggestions ?

It's actually not that bad a camera for the price - I stick one on my 
MTB now and then, but I think it's really too big to put on a helmet. 
It's fairly rugged and waterproof.  The model that Argos is selling has 
been superseded though by the ATC3K, so you might want to shop around.

What you won't get with these cheap cameras is the resolution to capture 
number plates from any distance, and their low light capabilities aren't 
brilliant.  For that, you're looking at a lot more money.

-- 
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

> anern said the following on 30/08/2008 09:34:
>
> > but looks like it might be a bit of a toy. Is there a body of knowledge
> > somone could direct me to or some product suggestions ?
>
> It's actually not that bad a camera for the price - I stick one on my
> MTB now and then, but I think it's really too big to put on a helmet.
> It's fairly rugged and waterproof.  The model that Argos is selling has
> been superseded though by the ATC3K, so you might want to shop around.
>
> What you won't get with these cheap cameras is the resolution to capture
> number plates from any distance, and their low light capabilities aren't
> brilliant.  For that, you're looking at a lot more money.
>
I spotted the new version on wiggle - thanks. Since it's got audio too, do
you think you could dictate a vehicles registration and description whilst
videoing its behaviour ?

The videos I've seen of camera's mounted on handlebars are usually
unviewable becuase of the shaking. What you say seems to suggest that you
get a reasonable picture from mounting directly on the bike - is this the
case ?

Thanks again,

Bruce.

On 30/08/2008 11:36, anern said,

> I spotted the new version on wiggle - thanks. Since it's got audio too, do
> you think you could dictate a vehicles registration and description whilst
> videoing its behaviour ?

That would work, but whether it would be acceptable in a court is 
another matter.  Then again, I think it's a bit of a grey area for even 
the video to be accepted.  The law seems to work on the basis that if 
you don't warn the offender that they're being taped, then it didn't happen.

> The videos I've seen of camera's mounted on handlebars are usually
> unviewable becuase of the shaking. What you say seems to suggest that you
> get a reasonable picture from mounting directly on the bike - is this the
> case ?

Ah - depends on the bike and the terrain!  On tarmac, with a 
knobbly-tyred MTB (forks locked out), it's fine.  I can't watch off-road 
clips without feeling sick though!  Head-mounting would be better if you 
don't mind that big lump sat on your head/helmet :-)  The smaller bullet 
cameras would be better for that but they're a lot more money and you 
need a recorder tucked away somewhere.

-- 
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

On 30 Aug, 11:36, "anern" <a...@aner.anern> wrote:
> > anern said the following on 30/08/2008 09:34:
>
> > > but looks like it might be a bit of a toy. Is there a body of knowledge
> > > somone could direct me to or some product suggestions ?
>
> > It's actually not that bad a camera for the price - I stick one on my
> > MTB now and then, but I think it's really too big to put on a helmet.
> > It's fairly rugged and waterproof.  The model that Argos is selling has
> > been superseded though by the ATC3K, so you might want to shop around.
>
> > What you won't get with these cheap cameras is the resolution to capture
> > number plates from any distance, and their low light capabilities aren't
> > brilliant.  For that, you're looking at a lot more money.
>
> I spotted the new version on wiggle - thanks. Since it's got audio too, do
> you think you could dictate a vehicles registration and description whilst
> videoing its behaviour ?
>

Well, if it were me on the mike, all anyone would get from the
recording would be some combination of "What!", "Jesus!", "Mummy", and
doubtless "Shit!" and "Owwww!"

Probably inadmissable.

anern wrote:
>> anern said the following on 30/08/2008 09:34:
>>
>>> but looks like it might be a bit of a toy. Is there a body of knowledge
>>> somone could direct me to or some product suggestions ?
>> It's actually not that bad a camera for the price - I stick one on my
>> MTB now and then, but I think it's really too big to put on a helmet.
>> It's fairly rugged and waterproof.  The model that Argos is selling has
>> been superseded though by the ATC3K, so you might want to shop around.
>>
>> What you won't get with these cheap cameras is the resolution to capture
>> number plates from any distance, and their low light capabilities aren't
>> brilliant.  For that, you're looking at a lot more money.
>>
> I spotted the new version on wiggle - thanks. 


> Since it's got audio too, do
> you think you could dictate a vehicles registration and description whilst
> videoing its behaviour ?

No, not unless you shout into the microphone. When viewing the playback 
from my ATC2k, most of the sound is white noise type from, I presume, 
the tyres on the road and wind. I often get klunks when I change gear, 
but the sound is no good at all.

> The videos I've seen of camera's mounted on handlebars are usually
> unviewable becuase of the shaking. What you say seems to suggest that you
> get a reasonable picture from mounting directly on the bike - is this the
> case ?

Yes, and I would not want an ATC2k mounted on my head.

Martin.

On Aug 30, 3:34 pm, "anern" <a...@aner.anern> wrote:
> but looks like it might be a bit of a toy. Is there a body of knowledge
> somone could direct me to or some product suggestions ?

I bought a bullet camera and dvr package from this company a couple of
years ago and the resolution is excellent and the sound acceptable.
http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/index.html We've used it mounted on the
bars and on the helmet - both give decent results. The only issue is
routing the cables when you get on the bike. I've found putting the
dvr in my jersey pocket and routing the cables inside my jersey (when
I've mounted the camera on my helment) works ok, although it's a bit
of a faff. However you do though, don't be tempted to poke the
microphone outside so it's exposed - I've found you get much better
results if the mic is protected from the wind.

hth
--
Nige Danton
For all your UK legal jobs contact
www.magenta-consulting.co.uk

anern;1797684 Wrote: 
> Another scrape last night (12 stitches). I've decided to get a little
> more
> pro-active about dealing with problem motorists. Anybody got some
> suggesstions on gathering evidence, I was looking at
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/6oj3td
> 
> but looks like it might be a bit of a toy. Is there a body of
> knowledge
> somone could direct me to or some product suggestions ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bruce.

I have lots of experience with helmet cameras. The one I currently use
and would recommend above all others is the vio pov.1. The unit is
super durable, uses 4 double AAs for tons of battery time, it's super
simple, and the video quality simply smashes the other brands. I got
mine from 'helmet camera central' (http://hcc.tv), their an american
company but ship internationally. Even with shipping and VAT, it is
still cheaper than buying one in the uk. Make sure to read the reviews,
as they are very helpful.

Cheers.




-- 
erkle