Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
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Dystopia

"Dystopia"  wrote in message 
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> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
> -- 
>
> Dystopia

Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
into the mains socket.
Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
I did this, works fine for me.

Wally

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:02:10 +0100, "Wally" 
wrote:

>
>"Dystopia"  wrote in message 
>news:vec784h6vai59fvv13j2uluu1mljgqqsvc@4ax.com...
>> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
>> -- 
>>
>> Dystopia
>
>Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
>into the mains socket.
>Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
>I did this, works fine for me.
>
>Wally
>
Yes most will work on 12v without the PSU but will they tune into the
new Freestat signal? 
-- 

Dystopia

Dystopia said the following on 21/07/2008 08:31:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:02:10 +0100, "Wally" 
> wrote:
> 
>> "Dystopia"  wrote in message 
>> news:vec784h6vai59fvv13j2uluu1mljgqqsvc@4ax.com...
>>> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Dystopia
>> Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
>> into the mains socket.
>> Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
>> I did this, works fine for me.
>>
>> Wally
>>
> Yes most will work on 12v without the PSU but will they tune into the
> new Freestat signal? 

Freestat and Freeview are two totally different services, a Freesat 
receiver will tune into satellite signals (new and old! - they still show 
Bonanza). Freeview is for digital terrestrial signals - these are the ones 
that are commonly with an external 12v PSU (but beware some Pace receivers 
are 6V) and will run direct on 12 - 14v If it should go 'bang' after a 
couple of years of over voltage at around £15-00 not too expensive to replace

Roy

Dystopia said the following on 21/07/2008 08:31:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:02:10 +0100, "Wally" 
> wrote:
> 
>> "Dystopia"  wrote in message 
>> news:vec784h6vai59fvv13j2uluu1mljgqqsvc@4ax.com...
>>> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Dystopia
>> Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
>> into the mains socket.
>> Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
>> I did this, works fine for me.
>>
>> Wally
>>
> Yes most will work on 12v without the PSU but will they tune into the
> new Freestat signal? 

Freestat and Freeview are two totally different services, a Freesat 
receiver will tune into satellite signals (new and old! - they still show 
Bonanza). Freeview is for digital terrestrial signals - these are the ones 
that are commonly with an external 12v PSU (but beware some Pace receivers 
are 6V) and will run direct on 12 - 14v If it should go 'bang' after a 
couple of years of over voltage at around £15-00 not too expensive to replace

Be careful on the 12 volts issue. A pal had a fibre optic Christmas tree and 
noticed the thing was 12 volts.

So he cut off the transformer and fitted it with a cigar plug. On going away 
for Christmas the lights worked but the thing would not change colour. On 
his return he had a chat with various people who know about such thing only 
to be told the little motor for changing the lights (a little coloured disc) 
was a 12 volt AC not DC.

Case explained.



Mike














"Roy"  wrote in message 
news:4884b258_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Dystopia said the following on 21/07/2008 08:31:
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:02:10 +0100, "Wally" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Dystopia"  wrote in message 
>>> news:vec784h6vai59fvv13j2uluu1mljgqqsvc@4ax.com...
>>>> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> Dystopia
>>> Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
>>> into the mains socket.
>>> Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
>>> I did this, works fine for me.
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>> Yes most will work on 12v without the PSU but will they tune into the
>> new Freestat signal?
>
> Freestat and Freeview are two totally different services, a Freesat 
> receiver will tune into satellite signals (new and old! - they still show 
> Bonanza). Freeview is for digital terrestrial signals - these are the ones 
> that are commonly with an external 12v PSU (but beware some Pace receivers 
> are 6V) and will run direct on 12 - 14v If it should go 'bang' after a 
> couple of years of over voltage at around £15-00 not too expensive to 
> replace
>
> Roy

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:59:16 +0100, Roy  wrote:

>Dystopia said the following on 21/07/2008 08:31:
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:02:10 +0100, "Wally" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> "Dystopia"  wrote in message 
>>> news:vec784h6vai59fvv13j2uluu1mljgqqsvc@4ax.com...
>>>> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> Dystopia
>>> Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
>>> into the mains socket.
>>> Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
>>> I did this, works fine for me.
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>> Yes most will work on 12v without the PSU but will they tune into the
>> new Freestat signal? 
>
>Freestat and Freeview are two totally different services, a Freesat 
>receiver will tune into satellite signals (new and old! - they still show 
>Bonanza). Freeview is for digital terrestrial signals - these are the ones 
>that are commonly with an external 12v PSU (but beware some Pace receivers 
>are 6V) and will run direct on 12 - 14v If it should go 'bang' after a 
>couple of years of over voltage at around £15-00 not too expensive to replace
>
>Roy
It is the satellite signal I am interested in.

I have a dish, LNB and tuner from Maplin that receives the old
satellite signal but this does not include BBC2 or Channel 4 and is
also not available in the north of Scotland.   I understand that the
Freesat signal is available country wide and enables BBC2 and Channel
4 reception.   I am seeking a new tuner to get the new Freesat signal
but have searched Google in vain.
-- 

Dystopia

Dystopia said the following on 22/07/2008 15:04:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:59:16 +0100, Roy  wrote:
> 
>> Dystopia said the following on 21/07/2008 08:31:
>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:02:10 +0100, "Wally" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dystopia"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:vec784h6vai59fvv13j2uluu1mljgqqsvc@4ax.com...
>>>>> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> Dystopia
>>>> Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
>>>> into the mains socket.
>>>> Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
>>>> I did this, works fine for me.
>>>>
>>>> Wally
>>>>
>>> Yes most will work on 12v without the PSU but will they tune into the
>>> new Freestat signal? 
>> Freestat and Freeview are two totally different services, a Freesat 
>> receiver will tune into satellite signals (new and old! - they still show 
>> Bonanza). Freeview is for digital terrestrial signals - these are the ones 
>> that are commonly with an external 12v PSU (but beware some Pace receivers 
>> are 6V) and will run direct on 12 - 14v If it should go 'bang' after a 
>> couple of years of over voltage at around £15-00 not too expensive to replace
>>
>> Roy
> It is the satellite signal I am interested in.
> 
> I have a dish, LNB and tuner from Maplin that receives the old
> satellite signal but this does not include BBC2 or Channel 4 and is
> also not available in the north of Scotland.   I understand that the
> Freesat signal is available country wide and enables BBC2 and Channel
> 4 reception.   I am seeking a new tuner to get the new Freesat signal
> but have searched Google in vain.

Your old receiver will receive all Freestat channels but without the EPG, 
just requires rescanning & transponders adding. The free Channel 4 has a 
channel identity of 8530 It is on transponder 42 at 10729V 22.0 5/6 of 
Astra 2D. A bigger dish and/or amplifier is probably needed for the more 
northern colonies.

Roy

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:22:18 +0100, Roy  wrote:

>Dystopia said the following on 22/07/2008 15:04:
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:59:16 +0100, Roy  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dystopia said the following on 21/07/2008 08:31:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:02:10 +0100, "Wally" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Dystopia"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:vec784h6vai59fvv13j2uluu1mljgqqsvc@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dystopia
>>>>> Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
>>>>> into the mains socket.
>>>>> Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
>>>>> I did this, works fine for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>> Yes most will work on 12v without the PSU but will they tune into the
>>>> new Freestat signal? 
>>> Freestat and Freeview are two totally different services, a Freesat 
>>> receiver will tune into satellite signals (new and old! - they still show 
>>> Bonanza). Freeview is for digital terrestrial signals - these are the ones 
>>> that are commonly with an external 12v PSU (but beware some Pace receivers 
>>> are 6V) and will run direct on 12 - 14v If it should go 'bang' after a 
>>> couple of years of over voltage at around £15-00 not too expensive to replace
>>>
>>> Roy
>> It is the satellite signal I am interested in.
>> 
>> I have a dish, LNB and tuner from Maplin that receives the old
>> satellite signal but this does not include BBC2 or Channel 4 and is
>> also not available in the north of Scotland.   I understand that the
>> Freesat signal is available country wide and enables BBC2 and Channel
>> 4 reception.   I am seeking a new tuner to get the new Freesat signal
>> but have searched Google in vain.
>
>Your old receiver will receive all Freestat channels but without the EPG, 
>just requires rescanning & transponders adding. The free Channel 4 has a 
>channel identity of 8530 It is on transponder 42 at 10729V 22.0 5/6 of 
>Astra 2D. A bigger dish and/or amplifier is probably needed for the more 
>northern colonies.
>
>Roy
I have spend most of my working life in the electronics field but,
like many others, have no specialist knowledge of satellite
technology.   Could you perhaps elaborate on your reply in less
technical terms please?
-- 

Dystopia

Dystopia said the following on 22/07/2008 23:28:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:22:18 +0100, Roy  wrote:
> 
>> Dystopia said the following on 22/07/2008 15:04:
>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:59:16 +0100, Roy  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dystopia said the following on 21/07/2008 08:31:
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:02:10 +0100, "Wally" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dystopia"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:vec784h6vai59fvv13j2uluu1mljgqqsvc@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Anyone know of a Freesat tuner that will operate on 12V
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dystopia
>>>>>> Most of them do, just don't use the transformer the plugs
>>>>>> into the mains socket.
>>>>>> Make up or buy a lead to plug into the 12v.
>>>>>> I did this, works fine for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes most will work on 12v without the PSU but will they tune into the
>>>>> new Freestat signal? 
>>>> Freestat and Freeview are two totally different services, a Freesat 
>>>> receiver will tune into satellite signals (new and old! - they still show 
>>>> Bonanza). Freeview is for digital terrestrial signals - these are the ones 
>>>> that are commonly with an external 12v PSU (but beware some Pace receivers 
>>>> are 6V) and will run direct on 12 - 14v If it should go 'bang' after a 
>>>> couple of years of over voltage at around £15-00 not too expensive to replace
>>>>
>>>> Roy
>>> It is the satellite signal I am interested in.
>>>
>>> I have a dish, LNB and tuner from Maplin that receives the old
>>> satellite signal but this does not include BBC2 or Channel 4 and is
>>> also not available in the north of Scotland.   I understand that the
>>> Freesat signal is available country wide and enables BBC2 and Channel
>>> 4 reception.   I am seeking a new tuner to get the new Freesat signal
>>> but have searched Google in vain.
>> Your old receiver will receive all Freestat channels but without the EPG, 
>> just requires rescanning & transponders adding. The free Channel 4 has a 
>> channel identity of 8530 It is on transponder 42 at 10729V 22.0 5/6 of 
>> Astra 2D. A bigger dish and/or amplifier is probably needed for the more 
>> northern colonies.
>>
>> Roy
> I have spend most of my working life in the electronics field but,
> like many others, have no specialist knowledge of satellite
> technology.   Could you perhaps elaborate on your reply in less
> technical terms please?


Will try to do so later, when I have a few more minutes

Roy

> Dystopia said the following on 22/07/2008 23:28:

>> I have spend most of my working life in the electronics field but,
>> like many others, have no specialist knowledge of satellite
>> technology.   Could you perhaps elaborate on your reply in less
>> technical terms please?
> 

EPG - electronic program guide and control. this is transmitted by both Sky 
and Freesat to their respective branded receivers, which together with 
software in the receiver allocates user channel numbers to transponder 
channels. So for Sky, channel 101 is always BBC1, 102 BBC2 etc. As channels 
change transponders from time to time as a result of a fault or to make 
room for a HD channel for instance, this change is broadcast via the EPG to 
update the receiver and channel BBC1 remains as channel 101 as far as the 
user is concerned, similarly if a TV station changes its name.
With a FTA (Free to Air) receiver ie Maplins the EPG is ignored and channel 
numbers are allocated by the manufacturer or the user but is capable of 
receiving all un-scrambled channels transmitted from the satellite that it 
is aligned to, whether they are broadcast by Sky, Freesat or any other 
provider.

If you have had the receiver for sometime many channel allocations may have 
changed, so you may have to rescan all the channels - details of how to do 
this should be in the user guide for your particular system and/or in the 
set-up menus (if you need a password to access the set-up menu it is 
usually 0000) this will store all the channels that are transmitting into 
the next free channel number available on the receiver upwards in the order 
that they are detected, you will have to then manually edit and swap 
channel numbers to what you want them to be.(Make sure that the receiver is 
receiving a strong signal from the correct satellite before scanning)
Channel 4 for contractual reasons with Sky will not be identified as 
Channel 4 but will show as 8530 you can however rename it to what you like.
If you do not want to scan for all the channels, an individual transponder 
can be scanned and by entering the frequency 10729, polarity V, symbol rate 
22.0 or 22000 and FEC 5/6 in the appropriate set-up menu of your receiver 
(refer to user guide for your particular receiver) it should find channel 8350
Hope that helps,
  as for Northern areas it is a matter of trying it and see, the small dish 
is in fact quite sensitive and with no obstructions may work fairly well on 
the stronger stations.

Dependent on the time of day that you scan you may see CBBC and CBEBIEs or 
BBC3 and BBC4 but not both as channel identities as they share the same 
transponder, the receiver will identify them with the channel that is being 
broadcast at that time.

Hope that helps and makes sense.

Roy

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:15:18 +0100, Roy  wrote:

>
>> Dystopia said the following on 22/07/2008 23:28:
>
>>> I have spend most of my working life in the electronics field but,
>>> like many others, have no specialist knowledge of satellite
>>> technology.   Could you perhaps elaborate on your reply in less
>>> technical terms please?
>> 
>
>EPG - electronic program guide and control. this is transmitted by both Sky 
>and Freesat to their respective branded receivers, which together with 
>software in the receiver allocates user channel numbers to transponder 
>channels. So for Sky, channel 101 is always BBC1, 102 BBC2 etc. As channels 
>change transponders from time to time as a result of a fault or to make 
>room for a HD channel for instance, this change is broadcast via the EPG to 
>update the receiver and channel BBC1 remains as channel 101 as far as the 
>user is concerned, similarly if a TV station changes its name.
>With a FTA (Free to Air) receiver ie Maplins the EPG is ignored and channel 
>numbers are allocated by the manufacturer or the user but is capable of 
>receiving all un-scrambled channels transmitted from the satellite that it 
>is aligned to, whether they are broadcast by Sky, Freesat or any other 
>provider.
>
>If you have had the receiver for sometime many channel allocations may have 
>changed, so you may have to rescan all the channels - details of how to do 
>this should be in the user guide for your particular system and/or in the 
>set-up menus (if you need a password to access the set-up menu it is 
>usually 0000) this will store all the channels that are transmitting into 
>the next free channel number available on the receiver upwards in the order 
>that they are detected, you will have to then manually edit and swap 
>channel numbers to what you want them to be.(Make sure that the receiver is 
>receiving a strong signal from the correct satellite before scanning)
>Channel 4 for contractual reasons with Sky will not be identified as 
>Channel 4 but will show as 8530 you can however rename it to what you like.
>If you do not want to scan for all the channels, an individual transponder 
>can be scanned and by entering the frequency 10729, polarity V, symbol rate 
>22.0 or 22000 and FEC 5/6 in the appropriate set-up menu of your receiver 
>(refer to user guide for your particular receiver) it should find channel 8350
>Hope that helps,
>  as for Northern areas it is a matter of trying it and see, the small dish 
>is in fact quite sensitive and with no obstructions may work fairly well on 
>the stronger stations.
>
>Dependent on the time of day that you scan you may see CBBC and CBEBIEs or 
>BBC3 and BBC4 but not both as channel identities as they share the same 
>transponder, the receiver will identify them with the channel that is being 
>broadcast at that time.
>
>Hope that helps and makes sense.
>
>Roy
Thanks Roy.  That is very comprehensive and I am sure I can sort
things out now.   Sorry to have caused you the extra work.
-- 

Dystopia

Dystopia said the following on 25/07/2008 11:20:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:15:18 +0100, Roy  wrote:
> 
>>> Dystopia said the following on 22/07/2008 23:28:
>>>> I have spend most of my working life in the electronics field but,
>>>> like many others, have no specialist knowledge of satellite
>>>> technology.   Could you perhaps elaborate on your reply in less
>>>> technical terms please?
>> EPG - electronic program guide and control. this is transmitted by both Sky 
>> and Freesat to their respective branded receivers, which together with 
>> software in the receiver allocates user channel numbers to transponder 
>> channels. So for Sky, channel 101 is always BBC1, 102 BBC2 etc. As channels 
>> change transponders from time to time as a result of a fault or to make 
>> room for a HD channel for instance, this change is broadcast via the EPG to 
>> update the receiver and channel BBC1 remains as channel 101 as far as the 
>> user is concerned, similarly if a TV station changes its name.
>> With a FTA (Free to Air) receiver ie Maplins the EPG is ignored and channel 
>> numbers are allocated by the manufacturer or the user but is capable of 
>> receiving all un-scrambled channels transmitted from the satellite that it 
>> is aligned to, whether they are broadcast by Sky, Freesat or any other 
>> provider.
>>
>> If you have had the receiver for sometime many channel allocations may have 
>> changed, so you may have to rescan all the channels - details of how to do 
>> this should be in the user guide for your particular system and/or in the 
>> set-up menus (if you need a password to access the set-up menu it is 
>> usually 0000) this will store all the channels that are transmitting into 
>> the next free channel number available on the receiver upwards in the order 
>> that they are detected, you will have to then manually edit and swap 
>> channel numbers to what you want them to be.(Make sure that the receiver is 
>> receiving a strong signal from the correct satellite before scanning)
>> Channel 4 for contractual reasons with Sky will not be identified as 
>> Channel 4 but will show as 8530 you can however rename it to what you like.
>> If you do not want to scan for all the channels, an individual transponder 
>> can be scanned and by entering the frequency 10729, polarity V, symbol rate 
>> 22.0 or 22000 and FEC 5/6 in the appropriate set-up menu of your receiver 
>> (refer to user guide for your particular receiver) it should find channel 8350
>> Hope that helps,
>>  as for Northern areas it is a matter of trying it and see, the small dish 
>> is in fact quite sensitive and with no obstructions may work fairly well on 
>> the stronger stations.
>>
>> Dependent on the time of day that you scan you may see CBBC and CBEBIEs or 
>> BBC3 and BBC4 but not both as channel identities as they share the same 
>> transponder, the receiver will identify them with the channel that is being 
>> broadcast at that time.
>>
>> Hope that helps and makes sense.
>>
>> Roy
> Thanks Roy.  That is very comprehensive and I am sure I can sort
> things out now.   Sorry to have caused you the extra work.

No Problem

To sum up - You could pay £100-00 for a Freesat receiver that is ready 
programed (ideal for 'couch potatoes') or exercise your remote control 
finger, save money, receive far more channels and impress your neighbours!

Roy