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"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
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Taking your subject header, as long as we can over take these lorries on the 
hard shoulder using the normal lanes fine, but if we banned then it will be 
awefull for us crawling behind a slow lorry.
They do 58mph maximum I do 60mph with ease.

The item itself belongs to Gordon Brown and his Green friends.   He loves to 
be Green in order to get more of my money.

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Regards,
David

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"David"  wrote in message 
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> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
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> Taking your subject header, as long as we can over take these lorries on 
> the hard shoulder using the normal lanes fine, but if we banned then it 
> will be awefull for us crawling behind a slow lorry.
> They do 58mph maximum I do 60mph with ease.

Well yes, but just think, we could hold up all the lorries by doing 55 or 
less, then they'd complain and regain the status quo!

Not that I'd mind doing under 60, it does cut does fuel use.
>
> The item itself belongs to Gordon Brown and his Green friends.   He loves 
> to be Green in order to get more of my money.

Brown isn't green. He's just trying to seem it. If he were green I'd have 
time for him, as it is ... well, don't get me started!

Mary

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> Taking your subject header, as long as we can over take these lorries
> on the hard shoulder using the normal lanes fine, but if we banned
> then it will be awefull for us crawling behind a slow lorry.
> They do 58mph maximum I do 60mph with ease.

When they tried to banish all trailers to the inside lane up Naish Hill on 
the M5 it worsened, not eased, congestion. The problem was that caravans 
backed up behind something doing (say) 40 mph and were not permitted to 
overtake, so a rigid HGV going up the hill a little faster than the 
slowcoach didn't just have the slowcoach to pass but over a mile tailback 
of caravans and articulated HGVs.

It should be interesting if they implement "Lexus lanes". Presumably, 
that'll be the outside lane and if so I wonder how many will miss their 
exit because "lesser mortals" in the other lanes won't let them in to get 
to the off-slips.

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> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
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> Taking your subject header, as long as we can over take these lorries on the 
> hard shoulder using the normal lanes fine, but if we banned then it will be 
> awefull for us crawling behind a slow lorry.
> They do 58mph maximum I do 60mph with ease.
>
> The item itself belongs to Gordon Brown and his Green friends.   He loves to be 
> Green in order to get more of my money.
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> David
>
> Please reply to News Group

When I sit behind a lorry doing 58 MPH ( NOT tailgating )

I go from 26 MPG to 32 MPG ,

A worthwhile saving

On a 300 mile trip how much sooner are you going to get there

DieSea

"DieSea" <DieSea.NoSpamPlease@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote in message 
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> When I sit behind a lorry doing 58 MPH ( NOT tailgating )
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> I go from 26 MPG to 32 MPG ,
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> A worthwhile saving
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> On a 300 mile trip how much sooner are you going to get there
>

It is not that it is the looking at the back of a great big trailer all the 
time with no idea of what the road ahead is like, leads to boredom.  Maybe 
some drivers might be effected and loose concentration on their driving.
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Regards,
David

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"David"  wrote in
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> It is not that it is the looking at the back of a great big trailer
> all the time with no idea of what the road ahead is like, leads to
> boredom.  Maybe some drivers might be effected and loose concentration
> on their driving. 

FWIW, I have that argument with some Americans recently. They couldn't 
believe that you can get better "gas mileage" by following a heavy a 
hundred feet behind. I get about 20% improvement from following a heavy at 
two seconds (which is 165 feet at 56 mph). However, I suspect that some of 
that is due to keeping the same speed with no large changes in throttle 
opening and no braking.

At that sort of distance, you can still see the scenery and the 
concentration required to constantly check you haven't crept up behind your 
"windbreak", anticipate what faster traffic behind is going to do, etc. 
prevents boredom.

Geoff

I agree - unless its a loaded car transporter when the ride is far from 
comfortable.

"Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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> "David"  wrote in
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>> It is not that it is the looking at the back of a great big trailer
>> all the time with no idea of what the road ahead is like, leads to
>> boredom.  Maybe some drivers might be effected and loose concentration
>> on their driving.
>
> FWIW, I have that argument with some Americans recently. They couldn't
> believe that you can get better "gas mileage" by following a heavy a
> hundred feet behind. I get about 20% improvement from following a heavy at
> two seconds (which is 165 feet at 56 mph). However, I suspect that some of
> that is due to keeping the same speed with no large changes in throttle
> opening and no braking.
>
> At that sort of distance, you can still see the scenery and the
> concentration required to constantly check you haven't crept up behind 
> your
> "windbreak", anticipate what faster traffic behind is going to do, etc.
> prevents boredom.
>
> Geoff

"David"  wrote in message 
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> "DieSea" <DieSea.NoSpamPlease@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote in message 
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>> When I sit behind a lorry doing 58 MPH ( NOT tailgating )
>>
>> I go from 26 MPG to 32 MPG ,
>>
>> A worthwhile saving
>>
>> On a 300 mile trip how much sooner are you going to get there
>>
>
> It is not that it is the looking at the back of a great big trailer all 
> the time with no idea of what the road ahead is like, leads to boredom. 
> Maybe some drivers might be effected and loose concentration on their 
> driving.

I hate driving behind any deisel powered vehicle which has particulate 
emissions. There are very few which don't.

Mary

"Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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> "David"  wrote in
> news:HJ5gk.644$WX2.482@newsfe18.ams2:
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>> It is not that it is the looking at the back of a great big trailer
>> all the time with no idea of what the road ahead is like, leads to
>> boredom.  Maybe some drivers might be effected and loose concentration
>> on their driving.
>
> FWIW, I have that argument with some Americans recently. They couldn't
> believe that you can get better "gas mileage" by following a heavy a
> hundred feet behind. I get about 20% improvement from following a heavy at
> two seconds (which is 165 feet at 56 mph). However, I suspect that some of
> that is due to keeping the same speed with no large changes in throttle
> opening and no braking.
>
> At that sort of distance, you can still see the scenery and the
> concentration required to constantly check you haven't crept up behind 
> your
> "windbreak", anticipate what faster traffic behind is going to do, etc.
> prevents boredom.

Boredom when driving? That's dangerous.

But being bored at any time is a waste of life. There's always some way of 
keeping mentally active - even on Usenet :-)

Mary
>
> Geoff

"DieSea" <DieSea.NoSpamPlease@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote in message 
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> When I sit behind a lorry doing 58 MPH ( NOT tailgating )
>
> I go from 26 MPG to 32 MPG ,
>
> A worthwhile saving
>
> On a 300 mile trip how much sooner are you going to get there
>
> DieSea

I found this to be true on a recent tour of Germany where there are strict 
regulations about using the outside lane with a caravan if its an autobahn 
with just two lanes. It was pleasing to see the extra economy, unfortunately 
not to the same level as yours!

David - Milton Keynes
www.caravantravels.co.uk

>>When they tried to banish all trailers to the inside lane up Naish Hill on
>>the M5 it worsened, not eased, congestion. The problem was that caravans
>>backed up behind something doing (say) 40 mph and were not permitted to
>>overtake, so a rigid HGV going up the hill a little faster than the
>>slowcoach didn't just have the slowcoach to pass but over a mile tailback
>>of caravans and articulated HGVs.

I ignored it and used the middle lane as normal