Spouse thinks he remembers someone advising spraying mantles with hair 
lacquer to protect them during towing. It holds the mesh together and is 
burned off on lighting.

Does anyone remember giving this tip or has anyone any experience of it?

Mary

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
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> Spouse thinks he remembers someone advising spraying mantles with hair 
> lacquer to protect them during towing. It holds the mesh together and is 
> burned off on lighting.
>
> Does anyone remember giving this tip or has anyone any experience of it?

Yes, it works beautifully.  You must do it while the lamp is alight though.

Very best wishes

Andy R

"Andy R"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
> news:48678806$0$764$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
>> Spouse thinks he remembers someone advising spraying mantles with hair 
>> lacquer to protect them during towing. It holds the mesh together and is 
>> burned off on lighting.
>>
>> Does anyone remember giving this tip or has anyone any experience of it?
>
> Yes, it works beautifully.  You must do it while the lamp is alight 
> though.
>
> Very best wishes
>
> Andy R

Yeah, right ...

Mary

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
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> "Andy R"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
>> news:48678806$0$764$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
>>> Spouse thinks he remembers someone advising spraying mantles with hair 
>>> lacquer to protect them during towing. It holds the mesh together and is 
>>> burned off on lighting.
>>>
>>> Does anyone remember giving this tip or has anyone any experience of it?
>>
>> Yes, it works beautifully.  You must do it while the lamp is alight 
>> though.
>>
>> Very best wishes
>>
>> Andy R
>
> Yeah, right ...
>
> Mary

Wouldn't advise that, you will have a bigger light than you expect, and it 
will take some blowing out

lofty
>
>

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> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Andy R"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
>>> news:48678806$0$764$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
>>>> Spouse thinks he remembers someone advising spraying mantles with hair 
>>>> lacquer to protect them during towing. It holds the mesh together and 
>>>> is burned off on lighting.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone remember giving this tip or has anyone any experience of 
>>>> it?
>>>
>>> Yes, it works beautifully.  You must do it while the lamp is alight 
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Very best wishes
>>>
>>> Andy R
>>
>> Yeah, right ...
>>
>> Mary
>
> Wouldn't advise that, you will have a bigger light than you expect, and it 
> will take some blowing out

Is that so? Perhaps that's why I said yeah right ... :-)

Mary

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in news:4869e909$0$18188
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> Is that so? Perhaps that's why I said yeah right ... :-)

I was so glad you did. I didn't then feel compelled to point out Top Gear 
or Brainiac would have been proud of the results!

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> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in news:4869e909$0$18188
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>
>> Is that so? Perhaps that's why I said yeah right ... :-)
>
> I was so glad you did. I didn't then feel compelled to point out Top Gear
> or Brainiac would have been proud of the results!

Top Gear?

Brainiac?

Mary

After serious thinking Mary Fisher wrote :
> Spouse thinks he remembers someone advising spraying mantles with hair 
> lacquer to protect them during towing. It holds the mesh together and is 
> burned off on lighting.
>
> Does anyone remember giving this tip or has anyone any experience of it?

That might have been me, I discovered it long ago. It works a treat!

Basically I learned you have to do it very gently initially, from a 
distance so as not to damage the mantle with the pressure of the spray, 
let it dry, then move in closer with another coating.

It didn't work everytime, but did more often than not and was well 
worth while with the then cost of mantles.

-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

It happens that Mary Fisher formulated :
> "Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:Xns9ACE8ACF16C27geoffnospam097akdsh@138.199.67.64...
>> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in news:4869e909$0$18188
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>>
>>> Is that so? Perhaps that's why I said yeah right ... :-)
>>
>> I was so glad you did. I didn't then feel compelled to point out Top Gear
>> or Brainiac would have been proud of the results!
>
> Top Gear?

Probably a reference to destroying caravans.

> Brainiac?

A very missable low budget program based on (un)scientific experiments.


> Mary

-- 
Regards,
        Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk

Just seen this thread so sorry if already covered.

Is it legal you know the Health and Safety to use this type of lighting in a 
caravan these days?

Also caravan insurers how do they view the use of gas lighting, claims 
rejected?

-- 
Regards,
David

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"Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in message 
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> It happens that Mary Fisher formulated :
>> "Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:Xns9ACE8ACF16C27geoffnospam097akdsh@138.199.67.64...
>>> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in news:4869e909$0$18188
>>> $4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net:
>>>
>>>> Is that so? Perhaps that's why I said yeah right ... :-)
>>>
>>> I was so glad you did. I didn't then feel compelled to point out Top 
>>> Gear
>>> or Brainiac would have been proud of the results!
>>
>> Top Gear?
>
> Probably a reference to destroying caravans.
>
>> Brainiac?
>
> A very missable low budget program based on (un)scientific experiments.

Still no wiser ...

Mary

"David"  wrote in message 
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> Just seen this thread so sorry if already covered.
>
> Is it legal you know the Health and Safety to use this type of lighting in 
> a caravan these days?

It's legal, we checked.
>
> Also caravan insurers how do they view the use of gas lighting, claims 
> rejected?

Our vans aren't insured. Nobody will insure such old vans.

Mary

"Harry Bloomfield"  wrote in message 
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> After serious thinking Mary Fisher wrote :
>> Spouse thinks he remembers someone advising spraying mantles with hair 
>> lacquer to protect them during towing. It holds the mesh together and is 
>> burned off on lighting.
>>
>> Does anyone remember giving this tip or has anyone any experience of it?
>
> That might have been me, I discovered it long ago. It works a treat!

Ah, thank you, Harry! I was beginning to get disappointed.
>
> Basically I learned you have to do it very gently initially, from a 
> distance so as not to damage the mantle with the pressure of the spray, 
> let it dry, then move in closer with another coating.

That makes sense.
>
> It didn't work everytime, but did more often than not and was well worth 
> while with the then cost of mantles.

They're still expensive and moreso if they break when moving. It's not the 
driving, it's the bumpy fields we use!

Mary

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
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>
> "David"  wrote in message 
> news:3AFak.163519$aE7.127300@newsfe16.ams2...
>> Just seen this thread so sorry if already covered.
>>
>> Is it legal you know the Health and Safety to use this type of lighting 
>> in a caravan these days?
>
> It's legal, we checked.
>>
>> Also caravan insurers how do they view the use of gas lighting, claims 
>> rejected?
>
> Our vans aren't insured. Nobody will insure such old vans.
>

Yes can understand that.
But what about if you burn other caravans down along with yours?
Have you not got third party insurance to cover claims against you?
-- 
Regards,
David

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"David"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in message 
> news:486b30dc$0$765$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net...
>>
>> "David"  wrote in message 
>> news:3AFak.163519$aE7.127300@newsfe16.ams2...
>>> Just seen this thread so sorry if already covered.
>>>
>>> Is it legal you know the Health and Safety to use this type of lighting 
>>> in a caravan these days?
>>
>> It's legal, we checked.
>>>
>>> Also caravan insurers how do they view the use of gas lighting, claims 
>>> rejected?
>>
>> Our vans aren't insured. Nobody will insure such old vans.
>>
>
> Yes can understand that.
> But what about if you burn other caravans down along with yours?
> Have you not got third party insurance to cover claims against you?

a) we're no more likely to burn down our 'van by using gas lighting than we 
are by using two gas hobs, which we do frequently - as do most people.

b) we're never pitched next to other 'vans.

c) if we were pitched on a 'proper' site there should be a large enough 
space between units precisely to cover this contingency.

d) we have an updated fire extinguisher to hand as well as a fire blanket - 
and a fire bucket at the door filled with water. Oh - and a first aid box 
and the qualifications to go with it.

Not many caravanners can say that.

Mary
p.s. we've never needed to use them but we take all precautions. We once saw 
a brand new small caravan explode and burn down. It was surrounded by tents 
but none was burned, the roof of the 'van was blown off and all the flames 
went straight up - no danger to anyone except the occupant. We dealt with 
his burns.

Harry Bloomfield  wrote in 
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>> Top Gear?
> 
> Probably a reference to destroying caravans.

Yep.

> 
>> Brainiac?
> 
> A very missable low budget program based on (un)scientific experiments.

Originally hosted by one Richard Hammond, one of the Top Gear presenters, 
and subtitled "Science Abuse". On a "per episode" basis, Brainiac destroyed 
more caravans under Richard Hammond than Top Gear did and included 
something called "Brainiac Darts". In this, the dartboard was wired to 
fuses, each of which when lit spluttered its way to one of several 
caravans, each packed with a different explosive. Similarly, they featured 
a snooker game and a golf game where each snooker pocket or golf hole was 
wired to an exploding caravan.

"Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Harry Bloomfield  wrote in
> news:mn.0d197d876c20c239.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk:
>
>>> Top Gear?
>>
>> Probably a reference to destroying caravans.
>
> Yep.
>
>>
>>> Brainiac?
>>
>> A very missable low budget program based on (un)scientific experiments.
>
> Originally hosted by one Richard Hammond, one of the Top Gear presenters,
> and subtitled "Science Abuse". On a "per episode" basis, Brainiac 
> destroyed
> more caravans under Richard Hammond than Top Gear did and included
> something called "Brainiac Darts". In this, the dartboard was wired to
> fuses, each of which when lit spluttered its way to one of several
> caravans, each packed with a different explosive. Similarly, they featured
> a snooker game and a golf game where each snooker pocket or golf hole was
> wired to an exploding caravan.

Just a minute - you're all talking about television, innit!

This is a tv-free zone, sorry.

Mary

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>
> "Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:Xns9ACF66762584Egeoffnospam097akdsh@138.199.67.64...
>> Harry Bloomfield  wrote in
>> news:mn.0d197d876c20c239.86812@NOSPAM.tiscali.co.uk:
>>
>>>> Top Gear?
>>>
>>> Probably a reference to destroying caravans.
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>>
>>>> Brainiac?
>>>
>>> A very missable low budget program based on (un)scientific experiments.
>>
>> Originally hosted by one Richard Hammond, one of the Top Gear presenters,
>> and subtitled "Science Abuse". On a "per episode" basis, Brainiac 
>> destroyed
>> more caravans under Richard Hammond than Top Gear did and included
>> something called "Brainiac Darts". In this, the dartboard was wired to
>> fuses, each of which when lit spluttered its way to one of several
>> caravans, each packed with a different explosive. Similarly, they 
>> featured
>> a snooker game and a golf game where each snooker pocket or golf hole was
>> wired to an exploding caravan.
>
> Just a minute - you're all talking about television, innit!
>
> This is a tv-free zone, sorry.
>
> Mary

Caravans shouldn't be on the road if they have no insurance, or is it to old 
to tow.
lofty
>
>

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> Caravans shouldn't be on the road if they have no insurance, or is it
> to old to tow.

When on tow, the entire vehicle combination (car and caravan) is covered to 
the extent required by law (i.e. third party) by the car's insurance but 
the you are not insured for damage to your trailer.

However, not having caravan insurance means that you might not be covered 
if the caravan causes third-party damages while not hitched up. For 
example, if it ran away and crashed into something, or caught fire and set 
alight a neighbouring outfit.

"lofty"  wrote in message 
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>
> Caravans shouldn't be on the road if they have no insurance, or is it to 
> old to tow.
> lofty

That's your opinion.

Mary
>>
>>
>
>

"Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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> "lofty"  wrote in
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>
>> Caravans shouldn't be on the road if they have no insurance, or is it
>> to old to tow.
>
> When on tow, the entire vehicle combination (car and caravan) is covered 
> to
> the extent required by law (i.e. third party) by the car's insurance but
> the you are not insured for damage to your trailer.
>
> However, not having caravan insurance means that you might not be covered
> if the caravan causes third-party damages while not hitched up. For
> example, if it ran away and crashed into something, or caught fire and set
> alight a neighbouring outfit.

All these comments about irresponsible caravan use! How can a 'van 'run 
away' when it's pitched? Or set alight to a neighbouring outfit?

Of course, the sky could fall on our heads ...

I sometimes wonder what sort of caravanners we have on this ng.

Mary

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in
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> All these comments about irresponsible caravan use! How can a 'van
> 'run away' when it's pitched? Or set alight to a neighbouring outfit?
> 
> Of course, the sky could fall on our heads ...
> 
> I sometimes wonder what sort of caravanners we have on this ng.

You do read things into my posts that are not intended. I didn't claim
it to be irresponsible not to insure your caravan, just that you're not
covered for any losses. 

However, since you ask:

About a decade ago on a CL I saw a couple unhitch their 'van and, on
discovering it wasn't completely level, attempt to adjust its position
by hand. Gravity got the better of them, and the van ran away down the
slope. Thankfully, it ran backwards into a nice, soft hedge about
fifteen feet away and no serious damage was done. 

About two years ago, I saw someone attempt to move to another pitch at a
steeply-sloping (but terraced) site in Torbay. She failed to hitch up
properly and hadn't connected the breakaway. Shortly after she turned
down the hill the van unhitched and the drawbar went through the rear
window of the towcar. Had she turned up the hill, the van would have run
away backwards. 

I suspect that you won't be able to set alight a neighbouring outfit on
a properly run campsite. However, storage is another matter. In every
storage facility I've seen, caravans are a lot less than 6m apart and a
fire in one caravan could quickly spread along an entire row. FWIW,
that's one reason why the place at which I store my 'van requires
third-party insurance in its T&Cs. 

I too sometimes wonder what sort of caravanners we have on this ng!

"Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in
> news:486c87fd$0$770$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net:
>
>> All these comments about irresponsible caravan use! How can a 'van
>> 'run away' when it's pitched? Or set alight to a neighbouring outfit?
>>
>> Of course, the sky could fall on our heads ...
>>
>> I sometimes wonder what sort of caravanners we have on this ng.
>
> You do read things into my posts that are not intended. I didn't claim
> it to be irresponsible not to insure your caravan, ...

I didn't say that you'd said that.
>
> However, since you ask:
>
> About a decade ago on a CL I saw a couple unhitch their 'van and, on
> discovering it wasn't completely level, attempt to adjust its position
> by hand. Gravity got the better of them, and the van ran away down the
> slope. Thankfully, it ran backwards into a nice, soft hedge about
> fifteen feet away and no serious damage was done.

They weren't doing it properly. That's irresponsible.
>
> About two years ago, I saw someone attempt to move to another pitch at a
> steeply-sloping (but terraced) site in Torbay. She failed to hitch up
> properly and hadn't connected the breakaway. Shortly after she turned
> down the hill the van unhitched and the drawbar went through the rear
> window of the towcar. Had she turned up the hill, the van would have run
> away backwards.

Not hitching properly and not connecting the breakaway are both 
irresponsible.
>
> I suspect that you won't be able to set alight a neighbouring outfit on
> a properly run campsite. However, storage is another matter. In every
> storage facility I've seen, caravans are a lot less than 6m apart and a
> fire in one caravan could quickly spread along an entire row. FWIW,
> that's one reason why the place at which I store my 'van requires
> third-party insurance in its T&Cs.

One of our 'vans is in our front garden, if it were alight it might char a 
hedge. The other is on a daughter's farm, it wouldn't char anything.

But why on Earth should a fire from a gas lamp start in storage???

Mary

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in
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> 
> "Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:Xns9AD06DF60AF14geoffnospam097akdsh@138.199.67.64...

>> You do read things into my posts that are not intended. I didn't
>> claim it to be irresponsible not to insure your caravan, ...
> 
> I didn't say that you'd said that.

Er... I didn't - you did. How else am I to interpret your reply, "All
these comments about irresponsible caravan use!" to my comment about
insurance? 

You also asked, "How can a 'van 'run away' when it's pitched? Or set 
alight to a neighbouring outfit?". I merely gave instances where that 
has happened or is at least is possible. Whether or not they fill your 
particular circumstance is irrelevant because you're not the only 
caravanner on the planet. 

> But why on Earth should a fire from a gas lamp start in storage???

Who mentioned gas lamps? Have you got a guilty secret that you'd like to 
share?! I was thinking more of what might happen in the case of (say) 
vermin chewing through electrical cabling, spontaneous combustion of damp 
fabric, or a fire started while carrying out repair work.

"Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
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>
>> But why on Earth should a fire from a gas lamp start in storage???
>
> Who mentioned gas lamps?

Um. Read the subject header :-)

Mary

"Mary Fisher"  wrote in news:486cac7e$0$770
$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net:

>>> But why on Earth should a fire from a gas lamp start in storage???
>>
>> Who mentioned gas lamps?
> 
> Um. Read the subject header :-)

I think we've wandered a little from that, so I've changed the subject 
header in this reply to make that clear. ;)

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>
> "Geoff Lane" <geoff@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:Xns9AD06DF60AF14geoffnospam097akdsh@138.199.67.64...
>> "Mary Fisher"  wrote in
>> news:486c87fd$0$770$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net:
>>
>>> All these comments about irresponsible caravan use! How can a 'van
>>> 'run away' when it's pitched? Or set alight to a neighbouring outfit?
>>>
>>> Of course, the sky could fall on our heads ...
>>>
>>> I sometimes wonder what sort of caravanners we have on this ng.
>>
>> You do read things into my posts that are not intended. I didn't claim
>> it to be irresponsible not to insure your caravan, ...
>
> I didn't say that you'd said that.
>>
>> However, since you ask:
>>
>> About a decade ago on a CL I saw a couple unhitch their 'van and, on
>> discovering it wasn't completely level, attempt to adjust its position
>> by hand. Gravity got the better of them, and the van ran away down the
>> slope. Thankfully, it ran backwards into a nice, soft hedge about
>> fifteen feet away and no serious damage was done.

> They weren't doing it properly. That's irresponsible.

snip...

>Not hitching properly and not connecting the breakaway are both
 >irresponsible.

snip..

>One of our 'vans is in our front garden, if it were alight it might char a
 >hedge. The other is on a daughter's farm, it wouldn't char anything.

snip..

>But why on Earth should a fire from a gas lamp start in storage???

This bloody woman talks absolute bollocks;
Everything you've done, she's done better.
Everywhere you've been, she's been there first and enjoyed it more.
Every irresponsible act anyone's committed, she's would have foreseen it and 
not acted that way.
Everything your caravan does, hers does better.
Our Lord Jesus only managed to feed 5000 with his 5 loaves and fishes. 
That's merely the Hors D'oevres for what she cooks up in her caravan with 
just an ounce of flour and some water.
Midges don't bite her.
Dogs shy away from her presence.
etc
etc

It really isn't worth getting into a conversation with her.

Rgds

Andy R

In message , Andy R 
 writes
<snip>

>
>It really isn't worth getting into a conversation with her.
>
>Rgds
>
>Andy R
So take my advice and stick her in your Killfile and you will find this 
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