I have a hymer swing 530 KZ 2004 model 5 berth with fixed bunks.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Guy,does your swing have onboard water tank ?(drinking).

If so how does one go on when leaving site ?,do you have to drain down
every time ?.
Only go away for three days at a time.

The Hymer I'm thinking of getting has onboard tank at *rear* of van,
with hot water tank over axle.
Do you have to fill onboard tank or can you use direct from aquaroll ?.

If Guy does not have have onboard tank,anyone know please,Hobby owners etc.

-- 
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You never know when you've got to upset
them.

"ForeverArsenal"  wrote in message 
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>I have a hymer swing 530 KZ 2004 model 5 berth with fixed bunks.
> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> Guy,does your swing have onboard water tank ?(drinking).
>
> If so how does one go on when leaving site ?,do you have to drain down
> every time ?.
> Only go away for three days at a time.
>
> The Hymer I'm thinking of getting has onboard tank at *rear* of van,
> with hot water tank over axle.
> Do you have to fill onboard tank or can you use direct from aquaroll ?.
>
I've got a Hymer camper, not a caravan, but it may give you some ideas. 
Just take a long hose pipe with you and fill up the onboard tank when you 
arrive on site.  If you feel you must take an aquaroll as well then buy a 
cheap submersible pump to transfer the water from the aquaroll to the main 
tank and power it from a cigarette lighter socket or something.

If I were you I'd drain nearly all the water out of the tank before towing 
leaving just enough for a cup of tea en-route.

Rgds

Andy R

"ForeverArsenal"  wrote in message 
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>I have a hymer swing 530 KZ 2004 model 5 berth with fixed bunks.
> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> Guy,does your swing have onboard water tank ?(drinking).
>
> If so how does one go on when leaving site ?,do you have to drain down
> every time ?.
> Only go away for three days at a time.
>
> The Hymer I'm thinking of getting has onboard tank at *rear* of van,
> with hot water tank over axle.
> Do you have to fill onboard tank or can you use direct from aquaroll ?.
>
> If Guy does not have have onboard tank,anyone know please,Hobby owners 
> etc.
>
> -- 
> Don't get to friendly with the neighbours.
> You never know when you've got to upset
> them.
>

Every litre of water basically weighs 1 kg, so you have got to allow for 
your weight and also with towing a caravan think it may create stability 
issues, I would suggest that the main fresh water is drained before towing, 
think you would get away with the hot water and you would not drain the hot 
water onto a grass pitch as you will kill the grass.

Andy R"  wrote in message 
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>> I've got a Hymer camper, not a caravan, but it may give you some ideas.
> Just take a long hose pipe with you and fill up the onboard tank when you 
> arrive on site.  Rgds
>
> Andy R
Hi Andy, thanks for reply.

I do have aquaroll/pumps and bits,have been vanning
for ten years now.
Just want to get a newer van with fixed bed than my ABI Sunstar(very/very 
rare van).

I don't think I like the idea of onboard water tank as it appears to
make a lot more work and messing about and was sort of asking if
there was a way of useing aquaroll / /pump to get water to taps
without filling on board tank ie do you have an option.

Don't know yet how hard // easy onboard tank would be to drain,
does it mean crawling under caravan to open taps // remove bungs.

I like the Hymer a lot but have not laid out cash yet.

As regards hot water tank that bang over axle so would not bother draining
that down till winter.
Not to concerned about weight,have MRO 1350 /// MTPLM 1700= 320 KG
payload,our payload is approx 100 kg,car can tow 2800 kg so got a bit of
leeway.
I know that water in on board tank is heavy and being at the rear of van 
might cause
a bit of sea sawing ?while towing.
Only tow about 10 miles each way from storage to site,tend to go to same 
site each
time.
Going to have another look this weekend and make my mind up so will
have a good look re water tank and how much hassle to drain.

Must say I'm more than a bit concerned if spares are needed and how easy// 
hard
they maybe to get,no Hymer dealers I know of around Essex all seem to be up 
north.

Many thanks for your time and help.
Barry

-- 
Don't get to friendly with the neighbours.
You never know when you've got to upset
them.

"Campa-Man"  wrote in message 
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>
> >
> Every litre of water basically weighs 1 kg, so you have got to allow for 
> your weight and also with towing a caravan think it may create stability 
> issues,

Hi Campa-man.
thanks for reply,see my reply to Andy please.
As stated in other post had heart op that's left me rather short of air
had all sorts of scans // tests etc and Docs can't come up with a reason
that my breathing is as poor as it is.

A major reason for van change is making up that darned double bed each night
that leaves puffing and blowing for ten mins :-( so don't want to crawl 
about under
van for taps etc.
If draining tank is easy then don't mind that,just have to get use to doing 
it that
way instead of emptying aquaroll.
Will see this weekend.

Many thanks
Barry

"ForeverArsenal"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> -- 
> Don't get to friendly with the neighbours.
> You never know when you've got to upset
> them.
>
> "Campa-Man"  wrote in message 
> news:tpidncdTacekDrzVnZ2dnUVZ8qKvnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> >
>> Every litre of water basically weighs 1 kg, so you have got to allow for 
>> your weight and also with towing a caravan think it may create stability 
>> issues,
>
> Hi Campa-man.
> thanks for reply,see my reply to Andy please.
> As stated in other post had heart op that's left me rather short of air
> had all sorts of scans // tests etc and Docs can't come up with a reason
> that my breathing is as poor as it is.
>
> A major reason for van change is making up that darned double bed each 
> night
> that leaves puffing and blowing for ten mins :-( so don't want to crawl 
> about under
> van for taps etc.
> If draining tank is easy then don't mind that,just have to get use to 
> doing it that
> way instead of emptying aquaroll.
> Will see this weekend.
>
> Many thanks
> Barry

We don't have a caravan we have a Hymer Motorhome, the drain taps are inside 
a cupboard in the van so would assume the caravan would be the same

"Campa-Man"  wrote in message 
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>
> "ForeverArsenal"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Don't get to friendly with the neighbours.
>> You never know when you've got to upset
>> them.
>>
>> "Campa-Man"  wrote in message 
>> news:tpidncdTacekDrzVnZ2dnUVZ8qKvnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> >
>>> Every litre of water basically weighs 1 kg, so you have got to allow for 
>>> your weight and also with towing a caravan think it may create stability 
>>> issues,
>>
>> Hi Campa-man.
>> thanks for reply,see my reply to Andy please.
>> As stated in other post had heart op that's left me rather short of air
>> had all sorts of scans // tests etc and Docs can't come up with a reason
>> that my breathing is as poor as it is.
>>
>> A major reason for van change is making up that darned double bed each 
>> night
>> that leaves puffing and blowing for ten mins :-( so don't want to crawl 
>> about under
>> van for taps etc.
>> If draining tank is easy then don't mind that,just have to get use to 
>> doing it that
>> way instead of emptying aquaroll.
>> Will see this weekend.
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Barry
>
> We don't have a caravan we have a Hymer Motorhome, the drain taps are 
> inside a cupboard in the van so would assume the caravan would be the same
Unless I want the tanks completely empty for the winter I just turn the taps 
on to drain it.  Can't think of an easier way to do it.  Why make life 
difficult?

Andy R

On Thu, 8 May 2008 00:51:53 +0100, "ForeverArsenal"
 wrote:
>I don't think I like the idea of onboard water tank as it appears to
>make a lot more work and messing about and was sort of asking if
>there was a way of useing aquaroll / /pump to get water to taps
>without filling on board tank ie do you have an option.
>
>Don't know yet how hard // easy onboard tank would be to drain,
>does it mean crawling under caravan to open taps // remove bungs.
>
>I like the Hymer a lot but have not laid out cash yet.
>
>As regards hot water tank that bang over axle so would not bother draining
>that down till winter.
>Not to concerned about weight,have MRO 1350 /// MTPLM 1700= 320 KG
>payload,our payload is approx 100 kg,car can tow 2800 kg so got a bit of
>leeway.
>I know that water in on board tank is heavy and being at the rear of van 
>might cause
>a bit of sea sawing ?while towing.
>Only tow about 10 miles each way from storage to site,tend to go to same 
>site each
>time.
>Going to have another look this weekend and make my mind up so will
>have a good look re water tank and how much hassle to drain.
>
>Must say I'm more than a bit concerned if spares are needed and how easy// 
>hard
>they maybe to get,no Hymer dealers I know of around Essex all seem to be up 
>north.
>
>Many thanks for your time and help.
>Barry 
>
For what it's worth, the last 3 caravans I've had have all had onboard
water.  I wouldn't by choice, have it any other way now.

The first had a blue wheeled container that could be slid out from a
hatch in the side of the 'van to take to the taps.  It was an ABI
Adventurer.  The second was a Adria with a 15 litre clear container in
the gas bottle locker which could be removed to take to the taps, but
I did some juggling and replaced it with a 30 litre cylindrical
container which sat in the space provided for one of the 13 kg propane
bottles.  I would fill this by fetching a 29 litre Aquaroll and
transferring with a submersible pump.  Traveling, I would only have
maybe 2 or 3 litres in it for drinks en route.  Draining down with a
pipe used as a siphon, so the tank only ever comes out for cleaning.

The third, and present 'van is a Lunar Chateaux which also came with a
small 15 litre container in the gas bottle locker.  So I did the same
rearrange as for the Adria and use it in exactly the same way.

Personally I prefer to have the water container inside and protected
from the heat of the sun and the freezing of the winter.  I have had
other 'vans before these with which I used an Aquaroll or two, but far
prefer onboard now.

Neil

(Reply via NG please)

">>
>> We don't have a caravan we have a Hymer Motorhome, the drain taps are 
>> inside a cupboard in the van so would assume the caravan would be the 
>> same


> Unless I want the tanks completely empty for the winter I just turn the 
> taps on to drain it.  Can't think of an easier way to do it.  Why make 
> life difficult?
>
> Andy R
Hi again
thanks to those that replied to my draining post,sorry for delay
in answering,been away for few days.

To update I had another good look around Hymer and have almost decided
to buy it.

Putting the same question on draining down water tank to the main
sales person, I was told-shown that you remove the large top to
the tank (under side seat at rear of van) that you have to remove top,
reach in and pull out a stopper from bottom of tank,there is some type
of bung there that looks a bit like the one you would use in a house sink.

Seems a bum idea to me if correct.

Two other question I put to him he could not answer,so maybe someone in
the group may know.

Q 1) what is the nose weight limit for the Hymer nova 545 = don't know :-(
Q2) At what amps does the electrical consumer unit trip = don't know :-(

Anyone.
I know UK vans seem to  be 10 amp and thats stated on the unit of the ones 
I've seen.

The Hymer has nothing on the consumer unit or any of the manuals/paper work 
that's
in the van.
Anyone ?.
I'm a bit concerned about the above as the hot water unit uses 1.6kw while 
hotting up
which would only leave approx 3 amps if consumer unit was 10 amp trip,that 
not enough
to hot the 1000w kettle we have without turning hot water heater each time.
Hope somone can help,if I can get answer's to the above I would like to buy 
it.

-- 
Don't get to friendly with the neighbours.
You never know when you've got to upset
them.

>

"ForeverArsenal"  wrote in message 
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>">>
>>> We don't have a caravan we have a Hymer Motorhome, the drain taps are 
>>> inside a cupboard in the van so would assume the caravan would be the 
>>> same
>
>
>> Unless I want the tanks completely empty for the winter I just turn the 
>> taps on to drain it.  Can't think of an easier way to do it.  Why make 
>> life difficult?
>>
>> Andy R
> Hi again
> thanks to those that replied to my draining post,sorry for delay
> in answering,been away for few days.
>
> To update I had another good look around Hymer and have almost decided
> to buy it.
>
> Putting the same question on draining down water tank to the main
> sales person, I was told-shown that you remove the large top to
> the tank (under side seat at rear of van) that you have to remove top,
> reach in and pull out a stopper from bottom of tank,there is some type
> of bung there that looks a bit like the one you would use in a house sink.
> Seems a bum idea to me if correct.
Not really.  The pump draws from a 'sump' in the tank that is its lowest 
point, therefore when the pump stops pumping there is only a dribble of 
water left.  You only need to open the big cap and pull out the bung if the 
tank gets contaminated.  The rest of the time just turn on the taps 'til the 
water runs out.

> Two other question I put to him he could not answer,so maybe someone in
> the group may know.
>
> Q 1) what is the nose weight limit for the Hymer nova 545 = don't know :-(
Isn't it possible to find out what chassis it's built on and get the details 
from the manufacturer?

> Q2) At what amps does the electrical consumer unit trip = don't know :-(
Easy to find, just look at the MCB in the unit.

Rgds

Andy R

"Andy R"  wrote in message 
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>
Thanks again Andy for the help.

 The rest of the time just turn on the taps 'til the
> water runs out.

Hmmm,the Hymer pump/taps must be better than the tap flow on my
present ABI,would take some time to empty Aquaroll that way.

Q 1) what is the nose weight limit for the Hymer nova 545 = don't know :-(


> Isn't it possible to find out what chassis it's built on and get the 
> details from the manufacturer?

Yep,good idea Andy,as far as I know it's Alko but not sure.
Dealer rang Lowdham Leisureworld but they had no answer.
>
>> Q2) At what amps does the electrical consumer unit trip = don't know :-(

> Easy to find, just look at the MCB in the unit.

Can you explain a bit more please Andy,no electrician.
All  I know is that consumer unit has nothing on it but did notice that
there is 1 wide (2 inches) switch that trips/resets.
On my ABI unit there's 2 ,1 for lights,1 for mains sockets.

Thanks.
Barry
>

"ForeverArsenal"  wrote in message 
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>">>
>>> We don't have a caravan we have a Hymer Motorhome, the drain taps are 
>>> inside a cupboard in the van so would assume the caravan would be the 
>>> same
>
>
>> Unless I want the tanks completely empty for the winter I just turn the 
>> taps on to drain it.  Can't think of an easier way to do it.  Why make 
>> life difficult?
>>
>> Andy R
> Hi again
> thanks to those that replied to my draining post,sorry for delay
> in answering,been away for few days.
>
> To update I had another good look around Hymer and have almost decided
> to buy it.
>
> Putting the same question on draining down water tank to the main
> sales person, I was told-shown that you remove the large top to
> the tank (under side seat at rear of van) that you have to remove top,
> reach in and pull out a stopper from bottom of tank,there is some type
> of bung there that looks a bit like the one you would use in a house sink.
>
> Seems a bum idea to me if correct.

Yeah our Hymer tank has a access cap and a bung, but there is also two drain 
down taps around where the boiler is one for cold the other for hot, or as 
Andy R says use the tap, the wife usually uses the tap while I am packing 
away the electric if we don't have a lot left in the tank otherwise I use 
the drain tap.

"> Campa-Man"  wrote in message 
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>
> Yeah our Hymer tank has a access cap and a bung, but there is also two 
> drain down taps around where the boiler is one for cold the other for hot, 
> or as Andy R says use the tap, the wife usually uses the tap while I am 
> packing away the electric if we don't have a lot left in the tank 
> otherwise I use the drain tap.
>Thanks for that Campa-Man.

Will hopefully pick up weekend and once setup
will get better idea of things.
Cheers.
Barry

-- 

"

On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:35:36 +0100, "ForeverArsenal"
 wrote:

>Hi again
>thanks to those that replied to my draining post,sorry for delay
>in answering,been away for few days.
>
>To update I had another good look around Hymer and have almost decided
>to buy it.
>
>Putting the same question on draining down water tank to the main
>sales person, I was told-shown that you remove the large top to
>the tank (under side seat at rear of van) that you have to remove top,
>reach in and pull out a stopper from bottom of tank,there is some type
>of bung there that looks a bit like the one you would use in a house sink.
>
>Seems a bum idea to me if correct.

It is correct, and it works realy well, it's an easy and practical
way, with a very positives action. 

>
>Two other question I put to him he could not answer,so maybe someone in
>the group may know.
>
>Q 1) what is the nose weight limit for the Hymer nova 545 = don't know :-(

The simple answer is whatever you set it to. I need a max 75 kg
noseweight for my car, and in my Nova front locker I carry a 13kg
propane, a 7 kg propane, a spare wheel, leveling plocks, blocks for
uner the steadies, Tv aerial, plus sundry other little items, I rarely
let the water out of the hot water tank, and always leave the water
tank with 10 or 15 liters in it ( my tank is in the front lockers. The
result is a noseweight of 70kg which is perfect for me. 

>Q2) At what amps does the electrical consumer unit trip = don't know :-(

It is a 15 amp circuit breaker and all the circuits are on one
breaker, so that I can run the Tv, the fridge, the water heater and
the space heater on 1kw and still not trip the breaker when I turn the
2kw kettle on. All the other vans I have ever had were made with two
breakers an 10 and a 5 amp, so that any attempt to use a kettle with
the fire on resulted in an immediate trip. 
>
>Anyone.
>I know UK vans seem to  be 10 amp and thats stated on the unit of the ones 
>I've seen.
>
>The Hymer has nothing on the consumer unit or any of the manuals/paper work 
>that's
>in the van.
>Anyone ?.
>I'm a bit concerned about the above as the hot water unit uses 1.6kw while 
>hotting up
>which would only leave approx 3 amps if consumer unit was 10 amp trip,that 
>not enough
>to hot the 1000w kettle we have without turning hot water heater each time.
>Hope somone can help,if I can get answer's to the above I would like to buy 
>it.

Sorry I have been a bit tardy in coming forward, I have only just got
home home after being a way a fortnight. 
Bill Lord
I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me send money

e-mail messages to bill dot lord at uku dot co dot uk 
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:08:49 +0100, "Campa-Man"
 wrote:

>Yeah our Hymer tank has a access cap and a bung, but there is also two drain 
>down taps around where the boiler is one for cold the other for hot, or as 
>Andy R says use the tap, the wife usually uses the tap while I am packing 
>away the electric if we don't have a lot left in the tank otherwise I use 
>the drain tap. 

When you do that it only drains down the hpt water cylinder and the
water pipes in the van, the only way to get the water out of the
internal tank is to remove the bung in the bottom of the tank. 
Bill Lord
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:19:10 +0100, "ForeverArsenal"
 wrote:

>"> Campa-Man"  wrote in message 
>news:9pqdnc9AR6o3YLbVnZ2dnUVZ8szinZ2d@bt.com...>
>>
>> Yeah our Hymer tank has a access cap and a bung, but there is also two 
>> drain down taps around where the boiler is one for cold the other for hot, 
>> or as Andy R says use the tap, the wife usually uses the tap while I am 
>> packing away the electric if we don't have a lot left in the tank 
>> otherwise I use the drain tap.
>>Thanks for that Campa-Man.
>
>Will hopefully pick up weekend and once setup
>will get better idea of things.
>Cheers.
>Barry

Now I am home if you want any other information about it I have a full
set of brochures from the 2003 on right up to 2007, I keep going up to
Lowdhans for a new one each year I must get one for 2008 next time I
go. Your 545 will have the same fittings as my 470 which is like yours
a 2003 model. One of the things that will surprise you the first time
you use it is that whilst it looks to be a full three burner hob it is
not strictly correct, the front two have a full output whilst the one
at the back is only a simmering burner. The sink and hob unit were the
things we were least pleased with when we sqw it, but in fact in use
it has proved to be the best unit we have used in 16 years
caravanning. 
Bill Lord
I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me send money

e-mail messages to bill dot lord at uku dot co dot uk 
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"bill lord"  wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 15 May 2008 10:08:49 +0100, "Campa-Man"
>  wrote:
>
>>Yeah our Hymer tank has a access cap and a bung, but there is also two 
>>drain
>>down taps around where the boiler is one for cold the other for hot, or as
>>Andy R says use the tap, the wife usually uses the tap while I am packing
>>away the electric if we don't have a lot left in the tank otherwise I use
>>the drain tap.
>
> When you do that it only drains down the hpt water cylinder and the
> water pipes in the van,
Incorrect.  The pump cannot pump air and, in my installation, is submerged 
in the fresh water tank.  Therefore running the sink taps until the tank is 
empty leaves the water pipes and hot water boiler full of water.  It only 
empties the fresh water tank itself.

> the only way to get the water out of the
> internal tank is to remove the bung in the bottom of the tank.
See above

Rgds

Andy R