ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
www.uk-sites.com

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:28:57 -0800 (PST), uk-sites team
 wrote:

>ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
>try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
>www.uk-sites.com

Moderated means some person has the right to censor posts, it's not
for me.

Bill Lord
I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me send money

e-mail messages to bill dot lord at uku dot co dot uk 
( Get rid of the spaces  and use symbols for the hyphen at and dots )

uk-sites team wrote:

> ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
> try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at

As Bill said ... censorship by another name.

-- 
Paul - xxx

'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
'98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'
Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough'

"uk-sites team"  wrote in message 
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> ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
> try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
> www.uk-sites.com

A really good idea, but this one does not seem the answer.
If anyone does come up with a good forum that will be good.  I will be out 
of here in a flash.

Regards
David

"David"  wrote in message 
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>
> "uk-sites team"  wrote in message 
> news:b20968d5-5c10-478b-b5e7-2f5357a0ed6b@b32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
>> try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
>> www.uk-sites.com
>
> A really good idea, but this one does not seem the answer.
> If anyone does come up with a good forum that will be good.  I will be out 
> of here in a flash.
>
> Regards
> David

A bit of variety is good.

Try UKcampsite

http://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/

I use it as well as, rather than instead of this though.

Neb

"David"  wrote in message 
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>
> "uk-sites team"  wrote in message 
> news:b20968d5-5c10-478b-b5e7-2f5357a0ed6b@b32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
>> try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
>> www.uk-sites.com
>
> A really good idea, but this one does not seem the answer.
> If anyone does come up with a good forum that will be good.  I will be out 
> of here in a flash.

Fuck off now then if you don't like it, you've contributed nothing to this 
group with your couple of miserable posts.

I suggest you join the Darby & Joan club if you just want inane chat.  There 
are people who regularly post to this group offering worthwhile advice to 
anybody who asks.  I'll stand the bollocks, even from Mary Bloody Fisher, 
rather than have it censored and turned into a self congratulatory forum of 
red bucket using 5 metre rule activists sitting round their fruit bowls.

Andy R

"bill lord"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:28:57 -0800 (PST), uk-sites team
>  wrote:
>
>>ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
>>try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
>>www.uk-sites.com
>
> Moderated means some person has the right to censor posts, it's not
> for me.
>
> Bill Lord
> I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me send money
>
> e-mail messages to bill dot lord at uku dot co dot uk
> ( Get rid of the spaces  and use symbols for the hyphen at and dots )

I agree with Bill, and who is doing the moderating?  Who moderates the 
moderators?  I discovered Usenet, this newsgroup and a few others, about 8 
years ago when I first went online.  It has had its difficulties at times 
but I love the access to the wealth of knowledge amongst its contributors 
and the immediacy of that information.  I have had a look at some of the 
other forums but they look antediluvian by comparison to uk.rec.caravanning.
Regards.
Dave.

David said...
> 
> "uk-sites team"  wrote in message 
> news:b20968d5-5c10-478b-b5e7-2f5357a0ed6b@b32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> > ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
> > try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
> > www.uk-sites.com
> 
> A really good idea, but this one does not seem the answer.
> If anyone does come up with a good forum that will be good.  I will be out 
> of here in a flash.
> 
Go on then - staying here isn't compulsory, you know.

-- 
Fran
To email me see 'from' in headers; use your net know-how to find the 
domain, and put my real name in front thereof.

Nebulous wrote:

> 
> "David"  wrote in message
> news:yQR0j.1708$Bt.1570@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> > 
> >"uk-sites team"  wrote in message
> news:b20968d5-5c10-478b-b5e7-2f5357a0ed6b@b32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com
> ...
> > > ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
> > > try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
> > 
> > A really good idea, but this one does not seem the answer.
> > If anyone does come up with a good forum that will be good.  I will
> > be out  of here in a flash.
>
> A bit of variety is good.
> 
> Try UKcampsite
> I use it as well as, rather than instead of this though.

We're members of that, and the 365 off-shoot.  Both are reasonable, but
more especially if you like rallies in fields ... ;)

No forums I've found yet come close to Usenet for both information and
diversity.

-- 
Paul - xxx

'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
'98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'
Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough'

"Dave D"  wrote in message 
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>
> "bill lord"  wrote in message 
> news:se17k31h5hu5adf5no30ohfuoa9p8bnmko@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:28:57 -0800 (PST), uk-sites team
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
>>>try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
>>>www.uk-sites.com
>>
>> Moderated means some person has the right to censor posts, it's not
>> for me.
>>
>> Bill Lord
>> I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me send money
>>
>> e-mail messages to bill dot lord at uku dot co dot uk
>> ( Get rid of the spaces  and use symbols for the hyphen at and dots )
>
> I agree with Bill, and who is doing the moderating?  Who moderates the 
> moderators?  I discovered Usenet, this newsgroup and a few others, about 8 
> years ago when I first went online.  It has had its difficulties at times 
> but I love the access to the wealth of knowledge amongst its contributors 
> and the immediacy of that information.  I have had a look at some of the 
> other forums but they look antediluvian by comparison to 
> uk.rec.caravanning.
> Regards.
> Dave.

I agree too, I prefer to moderate my own Inbox.

Mary
>
>

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:30:17 -0000, Fran  wrote:


>  staying here isn't compulsory, you know.

Very true but we welcome all those with an interest in caravanning and
I for one would prefer that they carry on being here whether I always
agree with them or not. As someone said in a recent post it's a long
time since we heard from Dave Fawthrop and even longer since Mhlife
contributed but in a way the group misses characters like them. 

Bill Lord
I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me send money

e-mail messages to bill dot lord at uku dot co dot uk 
( Get rid of the spaces  and use symbols for the hyphen at and dots )

"bill lord"  wrote in message 
news:cn58k3lbo3vhv7hd52nuac7qfpi9968lgq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:30:17 -0000, Fran  wrote:
>
>
>>  staying here isn't compulsory, you know.
>
> Very true but we welcome all those with an interest in caravanning and
> I for one would prefer that they carry on being here whether I always
> agree with them or not. As someone said in a recent post it's a long
> time since we heard from Dave Fawthrop and even longer since Mhlife
> contributed but in a way the group misses characters like them.

Oh Bill! I'd forgotten about Mhlife :-)

I miss Folding Norman and many others who were around whenm I first came 
here. And especially Tony Maris of course.

Mary

"Paul - xxx"  wrote in message 
news:5qic6cFui0h3U1@mid.individual.net...
> Nebulous wrote:
>
>>
>> "David"  wrote in message
>> news:yQR0j.1708$Bt.1570@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>> >
>> >"uk-sites team"  wrote in message
>> news:b20968d5-5c10-478b-b5e7-2f5357a0ed6b@b32g2000hsa.googlegroups.com
>> ...
>> > > ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
>> > > try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
>> >
>> > A really good idea, but this one does not seem the answer.
>> > If anyone does come up with a good forum that will be good.  I will
>> > be out  of here in a flash.
>>
>> A bit of variety is good.
>>
>> Try UKcampsite
>> I use it as well as, rather than instead of this though.
>
> We're members of that, and the 365 off-shoot.  Both are reasonable, but
> more especially if you like rallies in fields ... ;)
>
> No forums I've found yet come close to Usenet for both information and
> diversity.
>
> -- 
> Paul - xxx
>
> '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
> '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'
> Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough'

With Red Buckets.

Campa-Man wrote:

> 
> "Paul - xxx"  wrote in message
> news:5qic6cFui0h3U1@mid.individual.net...
> > Nebulous wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> >>"David"  wrote in message
> > > news:yQR0j.1708$Bt.1570@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> > > > 
> >>>"uk-sites team"  wrote in message
> > > news:b20968d5-5c10-478b-b5e7-2f5357a0ed6b@b32g2000hsa.googlegroups
> > > .com ...
> >>> > ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
> >>> > try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
> > > > 
> >>> A really good idea, but this one does not seem the answer.
> >>> If anyone does come up with a good forum that will be good.  I
> will >>> be out  of here in a flash.
> > > 
> > > A bit of variety is good.
> > > 
> > > Try UKcampsite
> > > I use it as well as, rather than instead of this though.
> > 
> > We're members of that, and the 365 off-shoot.  Both are reasonable,
> > but more especially if you like rallies in fields ... ;)
> > 
> > No forums I've found yet come close to Usenet for both information
> > and diversity.

> With Red Buckets.

Sorry, you've lost me?

-- 
Paul - xxx

'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
'98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'
Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough'

"bill lord"  wrote in message 
news:se17k31h5hu5adf5no30ohfuoa9p8bnmko@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:28:57 -0800 (PST), uk-sites team
>  wrote:
>
>>ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
>>try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
>>www.uk-sites.com
>
> Moderated means some person has the right to censor posts, it's not
> for me.
>
> Bill Lord

And yet Bill you also contribute to one of the most heavily moderated web
forums on the internet! I am a bit surprised we have not seen you on CT2 or
T&T which are two of the biggest and most informative web forums, you would 
be
very welcome.

If I could also comment on some of the other posts about moderation.
Whilst I can't see how it could work on Usenet, is it such a bad thing?
Some of the language I see on this and other Usenet groups would certainly
not be tolerated and that and personal attacks are generally the cause of
most moderation on other forums. I also suggest that this is not the best 
source of
information on our hobby. It may have been in the past but unfortunately 
many of those
that had expertise have moved away from this group, some away completely but
others to web forums.


David - Milton Keynes
www.caravantravels.co.uk

"Paul - xxx"  wrote in message 
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> Campa-Man wrote:
>
>>
>> "Paul - xxx"  wrote in message
>> news:5qic6cFui0h3U1@mid.individual.net...
>> > Nebulous wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"David"  wrote in message
>> > > news:yQR0j.1708$Bt.1570@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...

>
>> With Red Buckets.
>
> Sorry, you've lost me?
>
> -- 
> Paul - xxx
>
> '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
> '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'
> Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough'


Think of the "Three C's"

Camping Club Commandant

They have Muppets " At the ready"

DieSea

"DieSea" <DieSea.NoSpamPlease@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote in message 
news:474442eb$0$13934$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>
> "Paul - xxx"  wrote in message 
> news:5qiqnmF1035u0U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Campa-Man wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Paul - xxx"  wrote in message
>>> news:5qic6cFui0h3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> > Nebulous wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> >>"David"  wrote in message
>>> > > news:yQR0j.1708$Bt.1570@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
>>
>>> With Red Buckets.
>>
>> Sorry, you've lost me?
>>
>> -- 
>> Paul - xxx
>>
>> '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
>> '98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'
>> Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough'
>
>
> Think of the "Three C's"
>
> Camping Club Commandant
>
> They have Muppets " At the ready"
>
> DieSea
>

OOOOOOOOOps sorry

That should have read

Buckets " At the ready"

DieSea

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:53:01 -0000, "David Klyne"
 wrote:

>
>
>
>"bill lord"  wrote in message 
>news:se17k31h5hu5adf5no30ohfuoa9p8bnmko@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:28:57 -0800 (PST), uk-sites team
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
>>>try a forum which is moderated for campers and caravanners at
>>>www.uk-sites.com
>>
>> Moderated means some person has the right to censor posts, it's not
>> for me.
>>
>> Bill Lord
>
>And yet Bill you also contribute to one of the most heavily moderated web
>forums on the internet! I am a bit surprised we have not seen you on CT2 or
>T&T which are two of the biggest and most informative web forums, you would 
>be
>very welcome.

I do contribute to UKcampsite.co.uk but I have stopped even
considering posting on things which are opinion rather than clear
fact. What is more I have told the moderator by e-mail that the group
is cencsored and I have also put that in the forum ( it didn't stay
there long ). If you would let me have the web addresses for the other
two sites I will look at them, and probably contribute, but in the end
the really good thing about this group is that it is free from
censorship and if someone has a serious criticism of a place or a
company or anything else to do with caravanning they can print it and
know that it will not be removed. As a result if someone asks for
information they must know that the replies will be candid and honest
and that if there is something to be aware of that it will be said. 

 
>If I could also comment on some of the other posts about moderation.
>Whilst I can't see how it could work on Usenet, is it such a bad thing?
>Some of the language I see on this and other Usenet groups would certainly
>not be tolerated and that and personal attacks are generally the cause of
>most moderation on other forums. I also suggest that this is not the best 
>source of

I rarely see the posts that people complain about they are filtered
quite successfully by Forte Agent 4 ( if anyone needs a copy and is
happy to accept pirated versions they are readily available free ).
This is done by filtering out any posts that go to more than two
groups and by dealing with others by killfiling them. What you find
then is that people who contribute regularly to this group in a
constructive way are never filtered but those who post once or twice
and always in an abusive way are never seen. 

>information on our hobby. It may have been in the past but unfortunately 
>many of those
>that had expertise have moved away from this group, some away completely but
>others to web forums.

It used to be a brilliant place to get information and to a certain
extent it still is. We still get some wonderful proffesional input
from people like David Halley but sadly the likes of Tony Maris on
towbars and the like have gone, but then he retired and sold his
business so it's not too surprising. I have yet to find anywhere else
that gives better information, though for someone coming to it fresh
it must be quite a daunting task sifting the wheat from the chaff. 

 
Bill Lord
I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me send money

e-mail messages to bill dot lord at uku dot co dot uk 
( Get rid of the spaces  and use symbols for the hyphen at and dots )

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:27:21 +0000, bill lord  wrote:
>I rarely see the posts that people complain about they are filtered
>quite successfully by Forte Agent 4 ( if anyone needs a copy and is
>happy to accept pirated versions they are readily available free ).
For those who don't mind spending $29 (~£15), you can look at download a
trial copy and then purchase from http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

Personally, I've been using Agent since 0.9f and paying for the updates and
as a software developer, I don't approve of pirated software.

>We still get some wonderful proffesional input
>from people like David Halley but sadly the likes of Tony Maris on
>towbars and the like have gone, but then he retired and sold his
>business so it's not too surprising. I have yet to find anywhere else
>that gives better information, though for someone coming to it fresh
>it must be quite a daunting task sifting the wheat from the chaff. 
This is why (many years ago), I set up a site with all of the Frequently
Asked Questions on as the same questions and answers were appearing here
every couple of months. The site was originally a subdomain on Demon and is
now kept as a separate domain (www.caravanningnow.co.uk). The replies are
nearly all from postings to this group and have been kept up to date as
times have passed.

Richard
Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning,
http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and
http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address.
-- 
An Igor soon learned the secret way out of the any castle and where to stash
an overnight bag. In the words on one of the founding Igors: 'We belong dead?
Ecthcuthe me? Where doeth it thay "we"?'  - The Thief of Time by Terry
Pratchett.

"bill lord"  wrote in message 
news:jam8k39b67mcut3n4vne5lutkl05nstig1@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:53:01 -0000, "David Klyne"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>"bill lord"  wrote in message
>>news:se17k31h5hu5adf5no30ohfuoa9p8bnmko@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:28:57 -0800 (PST), uk-sites team
>>>  wrote:

Bill

Have sent you a message off group, I hope it arrives safely.

David - Milton Keynes
www.caravantravels.co.uk

"Richard Cole" <ispcrco@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:3509k3tp05fdre686fkndfv5jrs3h94cdp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:27:21 +0000, bill lord  
> wrote:
>>I rarely see the posts that people complain about they are filtered
>>quite successfully by Forte Agent 4 ( if anyone needs a copy and is
>>happy to accept pirated versions they are readily available free ).
> For those who don't mind spending $29 (~£15), you can look at download a
> trial copy and then purchase from 
> http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

I killfile very successfully without any extras - but I have confidence in 
microsoft and it hasn't let me down so far.

Mary

"Richard Cole" <ispcrco@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:3509k3tp05fdre686fkndfv5jrs3h94cdp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:27:21 +0000, bill lord  
> wrote:
>>I rarely see the posts that people complain about they are filtered
>>quite successfully by Forte Agent 4 ( if anyone needs a copy and is
>>happy to accept pirated versions they are readily available free ).
> For those who don't mind spending $29 (~£15), you can look at download a
> trial copy and then purchase from 
> http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php
>
> Personally, I've been using Agent since 0.9f and paying for the updates 
> and
> as a software developer, I don't approve of pirated software.
>
>>We still get some wonderful proffesional input
>>from people like David Halley but sadly the likes of Tony Maris on
>>towbars and the like have gone, but then he retired and sold his
>>business so it's not too surprising. I have yet to find anywhere else
>>that gives better information, though for someone coming to it fresh
>>it must be quite a daunting task sifting the wheat from the chaff.
> This is why (many years ago), I set up a site with all of the Frequently
> Asked Questions on as the same questions and answers were appearing here
> every couple of months. The site was originally a subdomain on Demon and 
> is
> now kept as a separate domain (www.caravanningnow.co.uk). The replies are
> nearly all from postings to this group and have been kept up to date as
> times have passed.
>
> Richard
> Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning,
> http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and
> http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address.
> -- 
> An Igor soon learned the secret way out of the any castle and where to 
> stash
> an overnight bag. In the words on one of the founding Igors: 'We belong 
> dead?
> Ecthcuthe me? Where doeth it thay "we"?'  - The Thief of Time by Terry
> Pratchett.

I know I am getting in deep water but here goes.
Richard, you have a fair point but I do not think uk.rec.caravanning is 
solely about FAQs.  This is such an interesting forum for all of us who love 
caravanning in all its many and varied forms.  I can talk about what I do in 
Europe supported by others who do it in a similar or indeed a different way. 
Bill Lord and several others talk about the CLs and the technical things 
about weights etc.  Mary likes to talk about the simple way she and spouse 
do things and she has many friends.  I'm sorry if I have not mentioned other 
contributors but you know who you are.  I just like it. It is  a bit like 
travelling on the bus  which we use a lot since we got our free passes.  On 
the bus you have to mix with people with 'learning difficulties' mumbling to 
themselves, yobs swearing, noisy kids, but in the main nice polite people of 
all ages.  A bit like Usenet.  The real world.
Regards.
Dave.

In message 
, 
uk-sites team  writes
>ed up with all the abuse found on these unmoderated boards
No
Next question?
-- 
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:35:30 GMT, "Dave D" 
wrote:

>I know I am getting in deep water but here goes.
>Richard, you have a fair point but I do not think uk.rec.caravanning is 
>solely about FAQs.  This is such an interesting forum for all of us who love 
>caravanning in all its many and varied forms.  I can talk about what I do in 
>Europe supported by others who do it in a similar or indeed a different way. 
Dave

I totally agree with what you say. 

It used (5 years ago?) to be purely people asking a question (Where can I
find a local caravan breaker?), getting an answer then a month or two later
another person asking the same question (Where is my closest caravan
breaker?). It got to point where most 'regulars' had a text file of
standard answers, so when the question came up, it was a cut and paste job
to provide the response.

I guess that new users are more 'net aware and now Google for the question.

>Bill Lord and several others talk about the CLs and the technical things 
>about weights etc.  
Agreed, Bill's posts are interesting.

>Mary likes to talk about the simple way she and spouse 
>do things and she has many friends. 
Mary has learnt a lot since she started posting here and keeps on learning,
although occasionally she can use Usenet when email would be better
(although not for at least a year now, so perhaps she learnt that trick now
too).
>I'm sorry if I have not mentioned other 
>contributors but you know who you are.  I just like it. It is  a bit like 
>travelling on the bus  which we use a lot since we got our free passes.  On 
>the bus you have to mix with people with 'learning difficulties' mumbling to 
>themselves, yobs swearing, noisy kids, but in the main nice polite people of 
>all ages.  A bit like Usenet.  The real world.
You can set up filters that remove all of the scum (even in Microsoft
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138).

Richard
Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning,
http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and
http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address.
-- 
An Igor soon learned the secret way out of the any castle and where to stash
an overnight bag. In the words on one of the founding Igors: 'We belong dead?
Ecthcuthe me? Where doeth it thay "we"?'  - The Thief of Time by Terry
Pratchett.

"Richard Cole" <ispcrco@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:35:30 GMT, "Dave D" 
> wrote:
>
>>I know I am getting in deep water but here goes.
>>Richard, you have a fair point but I do not think uk.rec.caravanning is
>>solely about FAQs.  This is such an interesting forum for all of us who 
>>love
>>caravanning in all its many and varied forms.  I can talk about what I do 
>>in
>>Europe supported by others who do it in a similar or indeed a different 
>>way.
> Dave
>
> I totally agree with what you say.
>
> It used (5 years ago?) to be purely people asking a question (Where can I
> find a local caravan breaker?), getting an answer then a month or two 
> later
> another person asking the same question (Where is my closest caravan
> breaker?). It got to point where most 'regulars' had a text file of
> standard answers, so when the question came up, it was a cut and paste job
> to provide the response.
>
> I guess that new users are more 'net aware and now Google for the 
> question.
>
>>Bill Lord and several others talk about the CLs and the technical things
>>about weights etc.
> Agreed, Bill's posts are interesting.
>
>>Mary likes to talk about the simple way she and spouse
>>do things and she has many friends.
> Mary has learnt a lot since she started posting here and keeps on 
> learning,
> although occasionally she can use Usenet when email would be better
> (although not for at least a year now, so perhaps she learnt that trick 
> now
> too).
>>I'm sorry if I have not mentioned other
>>contributors but you know who you are.  I just like it. It is  a bit like
>>travelling on the bus  which we use a lot since we got our free passes. 
>>On
>>the bus you have to mix with people with 'learning difficulties' mumbling 
>>to
>>themselves, yobs swearing, noisy kids, but in the main nice polite people 
>>of
>>all ages.  A bit like Usenet.  The real world.
> You can set up filters that remove all of the scum (even in Microsoft
> Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138).<<


Enough with the 'scum', already! - it ill becomes someone who steals other 
people's work to put on his own  (piss poor amateurish) website, to 
denigrate others.

You're a thief - and that certainly makes you 'scum' in my book.

Now run off to your 'killfile', you sanctimonious little bastard..........


.

"moderated" on the UK-SITES forum (at http://www.uk-sites.com/message_board.html
) simply means removing unrelated perverted abuse.

we have set up a caravan and campsite reviews section as well - where
we link up all comments (good or bad) to that site in the directory.

both these are new to UK-SITES and we welcome serious comments - again
good or bad.

steve
WWW.UK-SITES.COM

bill lord said...
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:30:17 -0000, Fran  wrote:
> 
> 
> >  staying here isn't compulsory, you know.
> 
> Very true but we welcome all those with an interest in caravanning and
> I for one would prefer that they carry on being here whether I always
> agree with them or not. As someone said in a recent post it's a long
> time since we heard from Dave Fawthrop and even longer since Mhlife
> contributed but in a way the group misses characters like them. 
> 

Heh.  Don't tell anyone, but DF's been in my KF for a goodly long while, 
now.
-- 
Fran
To email me see 'from' in headers; use your net know-how to find the 
domain, and put my real name in front thereof.

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:23:30 -0000, "David Klyne"
 wrote:

>
>
>"bill lord"  wrote in message 
>news:jam8k39b67mcut3n4vne5lutkl05nstig1@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:53:01 -0000, "David Klyne"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"bill lord"  wrote in message
>>>news:se17k31h5hu5adf5no30ohfuoa9p8bnmko@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:28:57 -0800 (PST), uk-sites team
>>>>  wrote:
>
>Bill
>
>Have sent you a message off group, I hope it arrives safely.
>
>David - Milton Keynes
>www.caravantravels.co.uk 
>

It arrived thankyou.
Bill Lord
I've taken a vow of poverty To annoy me send money

e-mail messages to bill dot lord at uku dot co dot uk 
( Get rid of the spaces  and use symbols for the hyphen at and dots )

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:38:29 -0000, Fran  wrote:

>bill lord said...
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:30:17 -0000, Fran  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> >  staying here isn't compulsory, you know.
>> 
>> Very true but we welcome all those with an interest in caravanning and
>> I for one would prefer that they carry on being here whether I always
>> agree with them or not. As someone said in a recent post it's a long
>> time since we heard from Dave Fawthrop and even longer since Mhlife
>> contributed but in a way the group misses characters like them. 
>> 
>
>Heh.  Don't tell anyone, but DF's been in my KF for a goodly long while, 
>now.

You can take him out of it now, because he's dead!

Jim said the following on 22/11/2007 02:31:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:38:29 -0000, Fran  wrote:
> 
>> bill lord said...
>>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:30:17 -0000, Fran  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>  staying here isn't compulsory, you know.
>>> Very true but we welcome all those with an interest in caravanning and
>>> I for one would prefer that they carry on being here whether I always
>>> agree with them or not. As someone said in a recent post it's a long
>>> time since we heard from Dave Fawthrop and even longer since Mhlife
>>> contributed but in a way the group misses characters like them. 
>>>
>> Heh.  Don't tell anyone, but DF's been in my KF for a goodly long while, 
>> now.
> 
> You can take him out of it now, because he's dead!
> 
Fact or fiction? If fact - a shame as he was one of the characters on here, 
harmless and humorous and most offensive posts allegedly by him were by 
identity theft.

Roy

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:51:25 -0000, "national treasure"
 wrote:
>Enough with the 'scum', already! - it ill becomes someone who steals other 
>people's work to put on his own  (piss poor amateurish) website, to 
>denigrate others.
>
>You're a thief - and that certainly makes you 'scum' in my book.
>
>Now run off to your 'killfile', you sanctimonious little bastard..........
National

I think you ought to apologise for that.

Everything on the website is correctly copyrighted, would you care to point
out what is stolen (perhaps under your real name and not posted through an
anonymous host such as uni-berlin.de?)

Richard
Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning,
http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and
http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address.
-- 
Programmers do it bit by bit.

"Richard Cole" <ispcrco@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:l4pbk39vo0l5h49t22o7plutp1p5435s58@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:51:25 -0000, "national treasure"
>  wrote:
>>Enough with the 'scum', already! - it ill becomes someone who steals other
>>people's work to put on his own  (piss poor amateurish) website, to
>>denigrate others.
>>
>>You're a thief - and that certainly makes you 'scum' in my book.
>>
>>Now run off to your 'killfile', you sanctimonious little bastard..........
> National
>
> I think you ought to apologise for that.<

Well, of course you do - you're a pompous arsehole

> Everything on the website is correctly copyrighted, would you care to 
> point
> out what is stolen (perhaps under your real name and not posted through an
> anonymous host such as uni-berlin.de?)<<<<

You must learn to differentiate between 'attribution' and 'consent'

Richard Cole said...
> (perhaps under your real name and not posted through an
> anonymous host such as uni-berlin.de?)
> 
> 
That 'anonymous host' is a bona fide news server.
-- 
Fran
To email me see 'from' in headers; use your net know-how to find the 
domain, and put my real name in front thereof.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:20:59 -0000, "national treasure"
 wrote:

>
>"Richard Cole" <ispcrco@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:l4pbk39vo0l5h49t22o7plutp1p5435s58@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:51:25 -0000, "national treasure"
>>  wrote:
>>>Enough with the 'scum', already! - it ill becomes someone who steals other
>>>people's work to put on his own  (piss poor amateurish) website, to
>>>denigrate others.
>>>
>>>You're a thief - and that certainly makes you 'scum' in my book.
>>>
>>>Now run off to your 'killfile', you sanctimonious little bastard..........
>> National
>>
>> I think you ought to apologise for that.<
>
>Well, of course you do - you're a pompous arsehole
Takes one to (think they) know one


>> Everything on the website is correctly copyrighted, would you care to 
>> point
>> out what is stolen (perhaps under your real name and not posted through an
>> anonymous host such as uni-berlin.de?)<<<<
>
>You must learn to differentiate between 'attribution' and 'consent'
>
I know the difference and have an email trail proving consent for all
information.

Richard
Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning,
http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and
http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address.
-- 
He was not going to be found wanting when duty called. He did not intend to be
found at all.  - The Last Continent by Terry Pratchett

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:07:21 -0000, Fran  wrote:

>Richard Cole said...
>> (perhaps under your real name and not posted through an
>> anonymous host such as uni-berlin.de?)
>> 
>> 
>That 'anonymous host' is a bona fide news server.
My bad

Richard
Web pages: http://www.caravanningnow.co.uk/ for caravanning,
http://www.rcole.org/ for my personal web site and
http://www.homeindorset.co.uk because I love the email address.
-- 
He was not going to be found wanting when duty called. He did not intend to be
found at all.  - The Last Continent by Terry Pratchett

"Richard Cole" <ispcrco@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7j2ek319ptqc6df9fp4dq3o3a2m2jg1oqu@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:20:59 -0000, "national treasure"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Richard Cole" <ispcrco@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:l4pbk39vo0l5h49t22o7plutp1p5435s58@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:51:25 -0000, "national treasure"
>>>  wrote:
>>>>Enough with the 'scum', already! - it ill becomes someone who steals 
>>>>other
>>>>people's work to put on his own  (piss poor amateurish) website, to
>>>>denigrate others.
>>>>
>>>>You're a thief - and that certainly makes you 'scum' in my book.
>>>>
>>>>Now run off to your 'killfile', you sanctimonious little 
>>>>bastard..........
>>> National
>>>
>>> I think you ought to apologise for that.<
>>
>>Well, of course you do - you're a pompous arsehole
> Takes one to (think they) know one
>
>
>>> Everything on the website is correctly copyrighted, would you care to
>>> point
>>> out what is stolen (perhaps under your real name and not posted through 
>>> an
>>> anonymous host such as uni-berlin.de?)<<<<
>>
>>You must learn to differentiate between 'attribution' and 'consent'
>>
> I know the difference and have an email trail proving consent for all
> information.


The duplicity deepens.

'Consent'?, from whom?  Your website (if one must dignify that amateurish 
cobble of HTML by such a description) purports to be the combined wisdom of 
a tedious trio of sages (one of whom is yourself) who's finger wagging 
statements of the bleedin' obvious make death by lying on a train track a 
surprisingly attractive alternative to reading their drivel.

Yet you also state that the information has been garnered from this 
newsgroup - thus, one might be forgiven for assuming that the only 
contributors here are the unholy trio who so proudly (|and so inexplicably) 
claim the credit.

The other possibility is that you and your accomplices have rephrased the 
accumulated wisdom here, and regurgitated as your own work.

In that case your claim to have  'consent' is as bogus as the coma-inducing 
'FAQ' itself.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:31:25 +0000, Jim  wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:38:29 -0000, Fran  wrote:
>
>>bill lord said...
>>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:30:17 -0000, Fran  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >  staying here isn't compulsory, you know.
>>> 
>>> Very true but we welcome all those with an interest in caravanning and
>>> I for one would prefer that they carry on being here whether I always
>>> agree with them or not. As someone said in a recent post it's a long
>>> time since we heard from Dave Fawthrop and even longer since Mhlife
>>> contributed but in a way the group misses characters like them. 
>>> 
>>
>>Heh.  Don't tell anyone, but DF's been in my KF for a goodly long while, 
>>now.
>
>You can take him out of it now, because he's dead!

You are in error!  Dave F is alive and well - I spoke to him this
morning!

Neil

(Reply via NG please)

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:22:02 +0000, Neil  wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:31:25 +0000, Jim  wrote:
>>You can take him out of it now, because he's dead!
>
>You are in error!  Dave F is alive and well - I spoke to him this
>morning!

You spoke to Dave Fawthrop? 

I have been told that he died a few months ago, hence his absence from
this group.

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:31:47 +0000, Jim  wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:22:02 +0000, Neil  wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:31:25 +0000, Jim  wrote:
>>>You can take him out of it now, because he's dead!
>>
>>You are in error!  Dave F is alive and well - I spoke to him this
>>morning!
>
>You spoke to Dave Fawthrop? 
>
>I have been told that he died a few months ago, hence his absence from
>this group.

Yes, certainly did Jim!

I decided to investigate since there were so many rumours around that
he'd died.  Curiosity got the better of me!

Neil

(Reply via NG please)

modulated on our site means simply removing any non caravan / campsite
related "rubbish" and abuse
comments good / bad about sites / equipment etc will not be
"moderated"
we can easily change the format of the forum to the style on these
discussion groups if preferred
we are open to suggestions
uk-sites team