On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:35:26 -0800 (PST), Ste 
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>On 3 Nov, 22:36, MM  wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 13:33:24 -0800 (PST), Ste 
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>> >On 3 Nov, 19:07, AlanG  wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:47:39 -0800 (PST), Ste 
>> >> wrote:
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>> >> >On 3 Nov, 12:45, "Mr X"  wrote:
>> >> >> "MM"  wrote in message
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>> >> >>news:k390f5pch24d1d11ocuqvn42q1qkvsu4co@4ax.com...
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>> >> >> > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:40:24 -0000, "Mr X"  wrote:
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>> >> >> >>"MM"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >>news:euove5th5tfj81bplvp60ij22he0ulfmcl@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>> But we've been here before, several times, and there is nothing the
>> >> >> >>> ordinary punter 'David' can do against the BT 'Goliath'. It is just a
>> >> >> >>> very unfair company and we just have to live with it. I need it ONLY
>> >> >> >>> for my internet connection!
>>
>> >> >> >>Do you not have Virgin Media cable?
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>> >> >> > Nope. I live two miles from the Wash. I can't even get a signal for my
>> >> >> > Virgin mobile phone, which consequently is permanently switched off in
>> >> >> > a kitchen drawer.
>>
>> >> >> What about a LLU provider such as talktalk or Sky?  However, these seem to
>> >> >> be worse than BT.  If you can get a 3 mobile signal you could use a dongle
>> >> >> and do away with landlines, but I doubt it would work if you're so remote.
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>> >> >If you do get mobile broadband, do not use Three (Hutchison 3G). I've
>> >> >just finished a year-long war of attrition with them over a ridiculous
>> >> >£50 bill (arising from hidden charges), which has culminated in them
>> >> >receiving nothing at all in respect of that bill, and the de facto
>> >> >cancellation after only 1 month of the 18-month contract that I had
>> >> >with them, and I have retained the equipment. I told them that they
>> >> >were foolish for so utterly alienating a customer over what any right-
>> >> >thinking person would say is a wholly unfair charge.
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>> >> I have a vodafone PAYG dongle for our netbook. £15 to top it up each
>> >> time and thats for a gigabyte of downloads. It doesn't run out each
>> >> month either. Not as cheap as others but I used it for an hour's web
>> >> surfing and NG use and the useage screen showed just over a pound's
>> >> worth of traffic. Quite usable if you aren't a youtube haunter.
>>
>> >I don't know whether my experience with H3G is representative, but I
>> >find the mobile connection far too unstable for any substantial web
>> >use. Even these Google Groups pages can take minutes and repeated
>> >attempts to load when accessing them using my mobile as a modem.
>>
>> That figures. Wireless is never going to be as reliable as wired. It's
>> another reason why I have CAT5 and not wireless at home.
>
>Agreed. Most of the time I feel as though there is absolutely no
>progress made over time in IT, and basic tasks (like networking) are
>as difficult as ever (if not moreso), even though most hardware is not
>put to substantially different purposes than it was 10 or even 20
>years ago. In fact I'm going to stop here before I go into rant mode.

It's called 'progress', except much of it isn't progress at all, but
merely capitalism seeking another way to part us from our cash (often
via online transactions).

MM

MM wrote:

> It's called 'progress', except much of it isn't progress at all, but
> merely capitalism seeking another way to part us from our cash (often
> via online transactions).

But what purpose does cash serve unless you spend it?

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:05:41 -0000, "Norman Wells" 
wrote:

>MM wrote:
>
>> It's called 'progress', except much of it isn't progress at all, but
>> merely capitalism seeking another way to part us from our cash (often
>> via online transactions).
>
>But what purpose does cash serve unless you spend it?

None whatsoever. Your point being?

MM

MM wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:05:41 -0000, "Norman Wells" 
> wrote:
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>> MM wrote:
>> 
>>> It's called 'progress', except much of it isn't progress at all, but
>>> merely capitalism seeking another way to part us from our cash
>>> (often via online transactions).
>> 
>> But what purpose does cash serve unless you spend it?
> 
> None whatsoever. Your point being?

Why moan about being invited to participate?

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:36:43 -0000, "Norman Wells" 
wrote:

>MM wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:05:41 -0000, "Norman Wells" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> MM wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's called 'progress', except much of it isn't progress at all, but
>>>> merely capitalism seeking another way to part us from our cash
>>>> (often via online transactions).
>>> 
>>> But what purpose does cash serve unless you spend it?
>> 
>> None whatsoever. Your point being?
>
>Why moan about being invited to participate?

In what?

MM

MM wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:36:43 -0000, "Norman Wells" 
> wrote:
> 
>> MM wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:05:41 -0000, "Norman Wells" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> MM wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It's called 'progress', except much of it isn't progress at all,
>>>>> but merely capitalism seeking another way to part us from our cash
>>>>> (often via online transactions).
>>>> 
>>>> But what purpose does cash serve unless you spend it?
>>> 
>>> None whatsoever. Your point being?
>> 
>> Why moan about being invited to participate?
> 
> In what?

In spending your cash of course.  What's so difficult to understand?