Fiona's Story
Highlight

Sunday 31 August
9:00pm - 10:30pm
BBC1

Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
manipulative and self-pitying.

Well, that's a nice balanced review.

http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp

*****
WM
www.critest.com

Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> Fiona's Story
> Highlight
>
> Sunday 31 August
> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
> BBC1
>
> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
> of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
> from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
> who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
> three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
> foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
> ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
> internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
> to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
> tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
> as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
> McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
> manipulative and self-pitying.
>
> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>
> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
>
> *****
> WM
> www.critest.com

Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free, irrational
woman finds solace in Church.

One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
choir master.

WM

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:30:26 -0700 (PDT), Webmanager_CritEst
 wrote:

>Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>> Fiona's Story
>> Highlight
>>
>> Sunday 31 August
>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
>> BBC1
>>
>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
>> of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
>> from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
>> who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
>> three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
>> foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
>> ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
>> internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
>> to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
>> tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
>> as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
>> McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>>
>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>>
>> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
>>
>> *****
>> WM
>> www.critest.com
>
>Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free, irrational
>woman finds solace in Church.
>
>One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
>choir master.
>
>WM


You managed to sit through it? It was just dull.

And I loved the police 'raid'. Yeah, we'll just sit in the living room
while you go and tell your husband to come and see us. Hope he doesn't
microwave the laptop while we wait. And where were the social workers?
An unmarked car? No see-thru bags with all his computers in for the
neighbours to see? And why on earth would he be happy about bail being
extended again and agian?

"Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message 
news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>> Fiona's Story
>> Highlight
>>
>> Sunday 31 August
>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
>> BBC1
>>
>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
>> of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
>> from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
>> who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
>> three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
>> foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
>> ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
>> internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
>> to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
>> tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
>> as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
>> McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>>
>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>>
>> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
>>
>> *****
>> WM
>> www.critest.com
>
> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free, irrational
> woman finds solace in Church.
>
> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
> choir master.

I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.

Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the structure 
was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn, loving husband 
gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a selfish bastard who 
doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks down, 
wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a choirmaster 
whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately shacks up with 
woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of gratifying his 
own passions.

For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the fact 
that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the police 
were going to charge him with any offences.

daveX wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:30:26 -0700 (PDT), Webmanager_CritEst
>  wrote:
>
> >Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> >> Fiona's Story
> >> Highlight
> >>
> >> Sunday 31 August
> >> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
> >> BBC1
> >>
> >> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
> >> of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
> >> from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
> >> who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
> >> three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
> >> foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
> >> ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
> >> internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
> >> to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
> >> tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
> >> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
> >> as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
> >> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
> >> McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
> >> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
> >> manipulative and self-pitying.
> >>
> >> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
> >>
> >> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
> >>
> >> *****
> >> WM
> >> www.critest.com
> >
> >Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free, irrational
> >woman finds solace in Church.
> >
> >One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
> >choir master.
> >
> >WM
>
>
> You managed to sit through it? It was just dull.
>
> And I loved the police 'raid'. Yeah, we'll just sit in the living room
> while you go and tell your husband to come and see us. Hope he doesn't
> microwave the laptop while we wait. And where were the social workers?
> An unmarked car? No see-thru bags with all his computers in for the
> neighbours to see? And why on earth would he be happy about bail being
> extended again and agian?

That was part of his supposed 'denial' ...and, of course, to the
laywoman author, no news is good news.

Plod will go easier on toffs.

WM

The Todal wrote:
> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
> news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> > Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> >> Fiona's Story
> >> Highlight
> >>
> >> Sunday 31 August
> >> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
> >> BBC1
> >>
> >> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
> >> of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
> >> from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
> >> who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
> >> three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
> >> foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
> >> ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
> >> internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
> >> to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
> >> tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
> >> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
> >> as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
> >> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
> >> McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
> >> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
> >> manipulative and self-pitying.
> >>
> >> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
> >>
> >> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
> >>
> >> *****
> >> WM
> >> www.critest.com
> >
> > Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free, irrational
> > woman finds solace in Church.
> >
> > One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
> > choir master.
>
> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
>
> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the structure
> was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn, loving husband
> gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a selfish bastard who
> doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks down,
> wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a choirmaster
> whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately shacks up with
> woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of gratifying his
> own passions.
>
> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the fact
> that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the police
> were going to charge him with any offences.

SS did visit and were very nice ;)

WM

Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> The Todal wrote:
>> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
>> news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>>>> Fiona's Story
>>>> Highlight
>>>>
>>>> Sunday 31 August
>>>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
>>>> BBC1
>>>>
>>>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
>>>> of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
>>>> from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
>>>> who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
>>>> three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
>>>> foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
>>>> ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
>>>> internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
>>>> to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
>>>> tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
>>>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
>>>> as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
>>>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
>>>> McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
>>>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
>>>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
>>>>
>>>> *****
>>>> WM
>>>> www.critest.com
>>> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free, irrational
>>> woman finds solace in Church.
>>>
>>> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
>>> choir master.
>> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
>>
>> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the structure
>> was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn, loving husband
>> gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a selfish bastard who
>> doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks down,
>> wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a choirmaster
>> whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately shacks up with
>> woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of gratifying his
>> own passions.
>>
>> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the fact
>> that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the police
>> were going to charge him with any offences.
> 
> SS did visit and were very nice ;)

I'm sure that they were.

BBC Radio 4 wrote:
> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> > The Todal wrote:
> >> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
> >> news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> >>>> Fiona's Story
> >>>> Highlight
> >>>>
> >>>> Sunday 31 August
> >>>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
> >>>> BBC1
> >>>>
> >>>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
> >>>> of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
> >>>> from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
> >>>> who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
> >>>> three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
> >>>> foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
> >>>> ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
> >>>> internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
> >>>> to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
> >>>> tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
> >>>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
> >>>> as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
> >>>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
> >>>> McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
> >>>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
> >>>> manipulative and self-pitying.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
> >>>>
> >>>> *****
> >>>> WM
> >>>> www.critest.com
> >>> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free, irrational
> >>> woman finds solace in Church.
> >>>
> >>> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
> >>> choir master.
> >> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
> >>
> >> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the structure
> >> was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn, loving husband
> >> gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a selfish bastard who
> >> doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks down,
> >> wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a choirmaster
> >> whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately shacks up with
> >> woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of gratifying his
> >> own passions.
> >>
> >> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the fact
> >> that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the police
> >> were going to charge him with any offences.
> >
> > SS did visit and were very nice ;)
>
> I'm sure that they were.

Not me, I think most of them are cunts and would make it very clear.

WM

BBC Radio 4 wrote:
> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>> The Todal wrote:
>>> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
>>> news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>>>>> Fiona's Story
>>>>> Highlight
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday 31 August
>>>>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
>>>>> BBC1
>>>>>
>>>>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's
>>>>> sense of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the
>>>>> fall-out from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a
>>>>> stay-at-home mum who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are 
>>>>> prosperous,
>>>>> have three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But
>>>>> the foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the
>>>>> police ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for
>>>>> downloading internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately 
>>>>> Fiona
>>>>> has to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does
>>>>> she tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
>>>>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy
>>>>> answers as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's 
>>>>> often
>>>>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are
>>>>> brilliant - McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to 
>>>>> anger, and
>>>>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
>>>>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
>>>>>
>>>>> *****
>>>>> WM
>>>>> www.critest.com
>>>> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free,
>>>> irrational woman finds solace in Church.
>>>>
>>>> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
>>>> choir master.
>>> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
>>>
>>> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the
>>> structure was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn,
>>> loving husband gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a 
>>> selfish bastard
>>> who doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks
>>> down, wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a
>>> choirmaster whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately 
>>> shacks
>>> up with woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of
>>> gratifying his own passions.
>>>
>>> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the
>>> fact that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the
>>> police were going to charge him with any offences.
>>
>> SS did visit and were very nice ;)
>
> I'm sure that they were.

In real life, social services would prevent him living with his children. In 
the drama, she made the decision to separate from her husband. In real life 
the decision would be made for her. But that would have undermined the 
feminist theme of the play - that women must take control of their own lives 
and not let their degenerate and decadent husbands rule them.

In the play, she gradually began to wonder whether her husband might be 
molesting their own children. He claimed to be offended at the suggestion. 
In real life, it would be discussed between them, I should think, because it 
is absolutely fundamental to their relationship and to the security of their 
children.

On Aug 31, 11:04 pm, "The Todal"  wrote:
> BBC Radio 4 wrote:
> > Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> >> The Todal wrote:
> >>> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
> >>>news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> >>>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> >>>>> Fiona's Story
> >>>>> Highlight
>
> >>>>> Sunday 31 August
> >>>>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
> >>>>> BBC1
>
> >>>>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's
> >>>>> sense of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the
> >>>>> fall-out from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a
> >>>>> stay-at-home mum who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are
> >>>>> prosperous,
> >>>>> have three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But
> >>>>> the foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the
> >>>>> police ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for
> >>>>> downloading internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately
> >>>>> Fiona
> >>>>> has to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does
> >>>>> she tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
> >>>>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy
> >>>>> answers as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's
> >>>>> often
> >>>>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are
> >>>>> brilliant - McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to
> >>>>> anger, and
> >>>>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
> >>>>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>
> >>>>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>
> >>>>>http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&progr...
>
> >>>>> *****
> >>>>> WM
> >>>>>www.critest.com
> >>>> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free,
> >>>> irrational woman finds solace in Church.
>
> >>>> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
> >>>> choir master.
> >>> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
>
> >>> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the
> >>> structure was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn,
> >>> loving husband gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a
> >>> selfish bastard
> >>> who doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks
> >>> down, wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a
> >>> choirmaster whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately
> >>> shacks
> >>> up with woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of
> >>> gratifying his own passions.
>
> >>> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the
> >>> fact that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the
> >>> police were going to charge him with any offences.
>
> >> SS did visit and were very nice ;)
>
> > I'm sure that they were.
>
> In real life, social services would prevent him living with his children. In
> the drama, she made the decision to separate from her husband. In real life
> the decision would be made for her. But that would have undermined the
> feminist theme of the play - that women must take control of their own lives
> and not let their degenerate and decadent husbands rule them.
>
> In the play, she gradually began to wonder whether her husband might be
> molesting their own children. He claimed to be offended at the suggestion> In real life, it would be discussed between them, I should think, because it
> is absolutely fundamental to their relationship and to the security of their
> children.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank you Todal.  The programme was reality for about the first 18
minutes.  Indeed what I find concerning was some of the dialogue were
direct quotes from an article I wrote.  The raid was not reality- they
were no where that nice. The SS were no where that nice. (Given the
age of the oldest child, they would have demanded to interview the
child alone)  There was a procedure in place... plod leave and SS turn
up within 2-3 hours.

And the 'kicker'; he 'got off' but had admitted he had been 'up to it'
for 5 years and didn't see the issue....so of course she had to be
'right'.

I spent two years yelling at my husband 'tell me what you did- tell me
what was in those pictures' and he would say, ' I don't know- I don't
know what they are talking about'.... I didn't believe him. Until I
read the police interviews and the Encase report.
TC

On Aug 31, 11:18 pm, lisabar...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 31, 11:04 pm, "The Todal"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > BBC Radio 4 wrote:
> > > Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> > >> The Todal wrote:
> > >>> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
> > >>>news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> > >>>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> > >>>>> Fiona's Story
> > >>>>> Highlight
>
> > >>>>> Sunday 31 August
> > >>>>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
> > >>>>> BBC1
>
> > >>>>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's
> > >>>>> sense of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the
> > >>>>> fall-out from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a
> > >>>>> stay-at-home mum who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are
> > >>>>> prosperous,
> > >>>>> have three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But
> > >>>>> the foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the
> > >>>>> police ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for
> > >>>>> downloading internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately
> > >>>>> Fiona
> > >>>>> has to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does
> > >>>>> she tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
> > >>>>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy
> > >>>>> answers as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's
> > >>>>> often
> > >>>>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are
> > >>>>> brilliant - McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to
> > >>>>> anger, and
> > >>>>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
> > >>>>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>
> > >>>>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>
> > >>>>>http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&progr...
>
> > >>>>> *****
> > >>>>> WM
> > >>>>>www.critest.com
> > >>>> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free,
> > >>>> irrational woman finds solace in Church.
>
> > >>>> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
> > >>>> choir master.
> > >>> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
>
> > >>> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the
> > >>> structure was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn,
> > >>> loving husband gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a
> > >>> selfish bastard
> > >>> who doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks
> > >>> down, wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a
> > >>> choirmaster whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately
> > >>> shacks
> > >>> up with woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of
> > >>> gratifying his own passions.
>
> > >>> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the
> > >>> fact that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the
> > >>> police were going to charge him with any offences.
>
> > >> SS did visit and were very nice ;)
>
> > > I'm sure that they were.
>
> > In real life, social services would prevent him living with his children. In
> > the drama, she made the decision to separate from her husband. In real life
> > the decision would be made for her. But that would have undermined the
> > feminist theme of the play - that women must take control of their own lives
> > and not let their degenerate and decadent husbands rule them.
>
> > In the play, she gradually began to wonder whether her husband might be
> > molesting their own children. He claimed to be offended at the suggestion.
> > In real life, it would be discussed between them, I should think, because it
> > is absolutely fundamental to their relationship and to the security of their
> > children.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thank you Todal.  The programme was reality for about the first 18
> minutes.  Indeed what I find concerning was some of the dialogue were
> direct quotes from an article I wrote.  The raid was not reality- they
> were no where that nice. The SS were no where that nice. (Given the
> age of the oldest child, they would have demanded to interview the
> child alone)  There was a procedure in place... plod leave and SS turn
> up within 2-3 hours.
>
> And the 'kicker'; he 'got off' but had admitted he had been 'up to it'
> for 5 years and didn't see the issue....so of course she had to be
> 'right'.
>
> I spent two years yelling at my husband 'tell me what you did- tell me
> what was in those pictures' and he would say, ' I don't know- I don't
> know what they are talking about'.... I didn't believe him. Until I
> read the police interviews and the Encase report.
> TC- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh and I forgot to mention- as a member of the elected church council
and sunday school teacher- frozen out.  That is what really happened.
TC

On Aug 31, 10:13 pm, Webmanager_CritEst 
wrote:
> Fiona's Story
> Highlight
>
> Sunday 31 August
> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
> BBC1
>
> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's sense
> of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the fall-out
> from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a stay-at-home mum
> who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are prosperous, have
> three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But the
> foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the police
> ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for downloading
> internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately Fiona has
> to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does she
> tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy answers
> as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's often
> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are brilliant -
> McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to anger, and
> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
> manipulative and self-pitying.
>
> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>
> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&progr> WMwww.critest.com

The weekend on television: Fiona’s Story (BBC1)

Last Updated: 12:01am BST 01/09/2008

By Serena Davies

Until now, dramas on the subject of paedophilia have tended to focus
on the perpetrator. Last year, for instance, came the harrowing Secret
Life on Channel 4 in which Matthew Macfadyen was the focus of
attention, playing a monster for whom we could yet find scraps of
sympathy. Sunday’s Fiona’s Story (BBC1) took the point of view of the
wife of a man who was suspected of downloading child pornography on
his home computer.

Life began unravelling for Fiona (Gina McKee) and her husband Simon
(Jeremy Northam) when the police rang the doorbell at 6am one morning.
They were then living with their three young daughters in a smart
house on a Georgian terrace, presumably thanks to inherited money
since Simon didn’t seem to do any definable job through the drama’s 90
minutes. The police lifted the family’s three computers and Simon told
Fiona that someone had used his credit card to pay to download illegal
pictures. She believed that for a few days, until Simon started
looking twitchy and grey about the gills – and he finally confessed
that he’d been looking at child porn and other “violent” things for
four or five years. After that, there was no way back – the marriage,
already on the rocks, went into terminal decline, and the couple
split.

Northam was good as the selfish, neurotic, foolish husband, in turn
attempting to redeem himself and defend himself. Kate Gabriel’s script
too was efficient, particularly in giving a sense of Fiona’s
frustration at the unknowable quality of Simon’s inclinations – would
he or wouldn’t he actually touch a child? This was best encapsulated
in a scene when one of the couple’s daughters told her mother that
“willies float”. Why, asked Fiona. “Because Daddy’s did in the bath” –
the bath his daughter was having with him.

But it was Gina McKee who made the piece work. McKee’s ghost-pale
complexion and pink eyelids have always lent her to miserabilist
roles. There was her fierce mother determined to do anything to defend
her son’s sin in last year’s The Street and her chilly version of
Irene Forsyte in The Forsyte Saga. Here she was perfectly cast: a
heroic martyr to her husband’s crime, a symbol of the damage such
behaviour could wreak, but at the same time a flawed, empathetic
individual.

The film ultimately contained nothing revelatory and certainly didn’t
dare try levering any light relief into its treatment of a profoundly
vexed topic – which has so far only ever been handled in fictional
form with the maximum of dramatic gravitas. Well directed by Adrian
Shergold – who has clearly learnt a thing or two since the grossly
violent and unsubtle gay drama Clapham Junction he made last year – it
also steered its careful course away from overstatement, emotional
histrionics, and any attempt to harangue the viewer into thinking a
certain way about its subject-matter. Instead it simply bore witness,
powerfully, to the collapse of two people’s lives.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/09/01/nosplit/bvtv01last.xml

WM

lisabartal@hotmail.com wrote:

> Oh and I forgot to mention- as a member of the elected church council
> and sunday school teacher- frozen out.  That is what really happened.

So, not all bad then.

It shows what happens when you meddle with these cults.

On Sep 1, 8:47 am, "Norman Wells"  wrote:
> lisabar...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Oh and I forgot to mention- as a member of the elected church council
> > and sunday school teacher- frozen out.  That is what really happened.
>
> So, not all bad then.
>
> It shows what happens when you meddle with these cults.

Thank you for giving me my belly laugh of the morning!!!
TC

"The Todal"  wrote:
 

>BBC Radio 4 wrote:
>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>>> The Todal wrote:
>>>> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
>>>> news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>>>>>> Fiona's Story
>>>>>> Highlight
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sunday 31 August
>>>>>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
>>>>>> BBC1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's
>>>>>> sense of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the
>>>>>> fall-out from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a
>>>>>> stay-at-home mum who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are 
>>>>>> prosperous,
>>>>>> have three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But
>>>>>> the foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the
>>>>>> police ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for
>>>>>> downloading internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately 
>>>>>> Fiona
>>>>>> has to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does
>>>>>> she tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
>>>>>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy
>>>>>> answers as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's 
>>>>>> often
>>>>>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are
>>>>>> brilliant - McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to 
>>>>>> anger, and
>>>>>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
>>>>>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *****
>>>>>> WM
>>>>>> www.critest.com
>>>>> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free,
>>>>> irrational woman finds solace in Church.
>>>>>
>>>>> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
>>>>> choir master.
>>>> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the
>>>> structure was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn,
>>>> loving husband gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a 
>>>> selfish bastard
>>>> who doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks
>>>> down, wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a
>>>> choirmaster whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately 
>>>> shacks
>>>> up with woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of
>>>> gratifying his own passions.
>>>>
>>>> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the
>>>> fact that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the
>>>> police were going to charge him with any offences.
>>>
>>> SS did visit and were very nice ;)
>>
>> I'm sure that they were.
>
>In real life, social services would prevent him living with his children. In 
>the drama, she made the decision to separate from her husband. In real life 
>the decision would be made for her. But that would have undermined the 
>feminist theme of the play - that women must take control of their own lives 
>and not let their degenerate and decadent husbands rule them.
>
>In the play, she gradually began to wonder whether her husband might be 
>molesting their own children. He claimed to be offended at the suggestion. 
>In real life, it would be discussed between them, I should think, because it 
>is absolutely fundamental to their relationship and to the security of their 
>children. 
>

What I found least likely was that when we found out he was still
having baths with the children even after the wife knew about the
photos he'd been downloading. She only thought that might be a bad
idea when the youngest one said something about his cock sticking up
in the bath.

On Sep 1, 5:14 pm, Edster  wrote:
> "The Todal"  wrote:
> >BBC Radio 4 wrote:
> >> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> >>> The Todal wrote:
> >>>> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
> >>>>>> Fiona's Story
> >>>>>> Highlight
>
> >>>>>> Sunday 31 August
> >>>>>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
> >>>>>> BBC1
>
> >>>>>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's
> >>>>>> sense of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the
> >>>>>> fall-out from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a
> >>>>>> stay-at-home mum who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are
> >>>>>> prosperous,
> >>>>>> have three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. But
> >>>>>> the foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the
> >>>>>> police ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for
> >>>>>> downloading internet pictures of sexually abused children. Immediately
> >>>>>> Fiona
> >>>>>> has to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does
> >>>>>> she tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected from
> >>>>>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy
> >>>>>> answers as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's
> >>>>>> often
> >>>>>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are
> >>>>>> brilliant - McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to
> >>>>>> anger, and
> >>>>>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
> >>>>>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>
> >>>>>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>
> >>>>>>http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&progr...
>
> >>>>>> *****
> >>>>>> WM
> >>>>>>www.critest.com
> >>>>> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free,
> >>>>> irrational woman finds solace in Church.
>
> >>>>> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
> >>>>> choir master.
> >>>> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
>
> >>>> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the
> >>>> structure was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child porn,
> >>>> loving husband gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a
> >>>> selfish bastard
> >>>> who doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage breaks
> >>>> down, wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a
> >>>> choirmaster whom she might one day marry. Husband of course immediately
> >>>> shacks
> >>>> up with woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of
> >>>> gratifying his own passions.
>
> >>>> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the
> >>>> fact that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether the
> >>>> police were going to charge him with any offences.
>
> >>> SS did visit and were very nice ;)
>
> >> I'm sure that they were.
>
> >In real life, social services would prevent him living with his children. In
> >the drama, she made the decision to separate from her husband. In real life
> >the decision would be made for her. But that would have undermined the
> >feminist theme of the play - that women must take control of their own lives
> >and not let their degenerate and decadent husbands rule them.
>
> >In the play, she gradually began to wonder whether her husband might be
> >molesting their own children. He claimed to be offended at the suggestion.
> >In real life, it would be discussed between them, I should think, because it
> >is absolutely fundamental to their relationship and to the security of their
> >children.
>
> What I found least likely was that when we found out he was still
> having baths with the children even after the wife knew about the
> photos he'd been downloading. She only thought that might be a bad
> idea when the youngest one said something about his cock sticking up
> in the bath.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree
What sane family allows a father (or even a mother IMHO) to bathe with
a child at that age.  I don't believe the character presented
appropriately as protecting her children.  I can tell you now, if
social services had any idea that she even 'hinted' she thought MAYBE
it wasn't a good idea, she would have been in trouble.

TC

"Edster"  wrote in message 
news:st4ob4dn6q90embcvvbhobclej8g7d5tiv@4ax.com...
> "The Todal"  wrote:
>
>
>>BBC Radio 4 wrote:
>>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>>>> The Todal wrote:
>>>>> "Webmanager_CritEst"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:ab6ca872-6567-4abb-91c2-fdda481d9467@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
>>>>>>> Fiona's Story
>>>>>>> Highlight
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sunday 31 August
>>>>>>> 9:00pm - 10:30pm
>>>>>>> BBC1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fiona's Story strikes right at the very heart of every family's
>>>>>>> sense of security, happiness and wellbeing as it grapples with the
>>>>>>> fall-out from a terrible accusation. Gina McKee plays Fiona, a
>>>>>>> stay-at-home mum who is married to Simon (Jeremy Northam). They are
>>>>>>> prosperous,
>>>>>>> have three sweet daughters and live in a large and beautiful home. 
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> the foundations of their lives together start to crumble when the
>>>>>>> police ring the doorbell one morning and Simon is arrested for
>>>>>>> downloading internet pictures of sexually abused children. 
>>>>>>> Immediately
>>>>>>> Fiona
>>>>>>> has to marshal her defences as the questions tumble forth. Who does
>>>>>>> she tell? Anyone or no-one? Do the children need to be protected 
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> their father? Kate Gabriel's script doesn't provide any easy
>>>>>>> answers as she explores what happens when trust breaks down. It's
>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>> uncomfortable to watch, of course, but both the leads are
>>>>>>> brilliant - McGee as she veers from shock and disbelief through to
>>>>>>> anger, and
>>>>>>> Northam as he hurtles into despair, only to rise, deluded,
>>>>>>> manipulative and self-pitying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, that's a nice balanced review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=92&programmeId=83790897&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *****
>>>>>>> WM
>>>>>>> www.critest.com
>>>>>> Generally an interesting piece. Rational man becomes free,
>>>>>> irrational woman finds solace in Church.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One must question her judgment, about the apparent shackup with a
>>>>>> choir master.
>>>>> I thought it a very shallow, ill-informed drama.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, I may have misunderstood.  It appeared to me that the
>>>>> structure was this: loving husband arrested for downloading child 
>>>>> porn,
>>>>> loving husband gradually reveals himself in his true colours as a
>>>>> selfish bastard
>>>>> who doesn't really care about his wife or his marriage, marriage 
>>>>> breaks
>>>>> down, wife finds her solace in the purity of Christian songs and a
>>>>> choirmaster whom she might one day marry. Husband of course 
>>>>> immediately
>>>>> shacks
>>>>> up with woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of
>>>>> gratifying his own passions.
>>>>>
>>>>> For some reason the social services weren't in evidence despite the
>>>>> fact that the husband was waiting nearly a year to find out whether 
>>>>> the
>>>>> police were going to charge him with any offences.
>>>>
>>>> SS did visit and were very nice ;)
>>>
>>> I'm sure that they were.
>>
>>In real life, social services would prevent him living with his children. 
>>In
>>the drama, she made the decision to separate from her husband. In real 
>>life
>>the decision would be made for her. But that would have undermined the
>>feminist theme of the play - that women must take control of their own 
>>lives
>>and not let their degenerate and decadent husbands rule them.
>>
>>In the play, she gradually began to wonder whether her husband might be
>>molesting their own children. He claimed to be offended at the suggestion.
>>In real life, it would be discussed between them, I should think, because 
>>it
>>is absolutely fundamental to their relationship and to the security of 
>>their
>>children.
>>
>
> What I found least likely was that when we found out he was still
> having baths with the children even after the wife knew about the
> photos he'd been downloading. She only thought that might be a bad
> idea when the youngest one said something about his cock sticking up
> in the bath.

Floating, actually.

Evidently she had no objection to him taking baths with the children prior 
to him being arrested for having child porn. I don't think it is a 
particularly good idea for parents to take baths with their children (I'm 
old fashioned that way, and would never have done so with my kids after they 
were about 1 year old) but if it's that sort of family, I can't see why the 
mother would object to it after the arrest.  If she genuinely feels that her 
husband is likely to abuse her kids, it isn't really enough to ban him from 
the bathroom - she'd have to ban him from any contact other than supervised 
contact.

I can imagine her saying "don't you think you should stop taking baths with 
them *because social services will interpret this the wrong way* but that 
isn't what she said. Which made it, to me, implausible.

>
> Husband of course immediately shacks up with
> woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of gratifying his
> own passions.
>

.... and we all know that young women always get the hots for a pedo.

On Sep 1, 6:57 pm, allan tracy  wrote:
> > Husband of course immediately shacks up with
> > woman much younger than he - typical man, eh. Thinks only of gratifying his
> > own passions.
>
> .... and we all know that young women always get the hots for a pedo.

But he was not a paedo, was he?

... and yes, wealthy paedos are fine to the ladies, Sugar Daddy in
more ways than one.

WM

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:24:02 -0700 (PDT), lisabartal@hotmail.com wrote:

>I agree
>What sane family allows a father (or even a mother IMHO) to bathe with
>a child at that age.

In Germany and other countries families of all ages typically sauna
together in the nude and think it perfectly normal. Also, the Germans,
the Dutch and other nationalities attend nudist colonies without the
prurient, salacious atttitude of the British (tee hee, arf arf, mind
where you put that!) It seems that we associate 1 square inch of naked
flesh that isn't on the face, chest, arms or legs with virulent porn
of the very worst kind. And then on Monday we pop out and buy the Sun
for the Page 3 Girl...

MM

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:27:32 +0100, "The Todal" 
wrote:

>Floating, actually.

Yeah, I wondered whether anyone was going to spot that.

MM

MM  wrote:
 

>On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:24:02 -0700 (PDT), lisabartal@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>I agree
>>What sane family allows a father (or even a mother IMHO) to bathe with
>>a child at that age.
>
>In Germany and other countries families of all ages typically sauna
>together in the nude and think it perfectly normal. Also, the Germans,
>the Dutch and other nationalities attend nudist colonies without the
>prurient, salacious atttitude of the British (tee hee, arf arf, mind
>where you put that!) It seems that we associate 1 square inch of naked
>flesh that isn't on the face, chest, arms or legs with virulent porn
>of the very worst kind. And then on Monday we pop out and buy the Sun
>for the Page 3 Girl...
>
>MM

With stories about how evil Gary Glitter is on the page opposite the
one with the 16 year old bimbo with her tits out.

MM  wrote:
 

>On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:27:32 +0100, "The Todal" 
>wrote:
>
>>Floating, actually.
>
>Yeah, I wondered whether anyone was going to spot that.
>
>MM

Would a 5 year old child know the difference between an erect penis
and a floating one?

On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:36:28 +0100, Edster  wrote:

>MM  wrote:
> 
>
>>On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:27:32 +0100, "The Todal" 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Floating, actually.
>>
>>Yeah, I wondered whether anyone was going to spot that.
>>
>>MM
>
>Would a 5 year old child know the difference between an erect penis
>and a floating one?

Would it be able to tell the difference between the Titanic afloat and
the Titanic sinking?

MM