What do I do with a P-11d, given that I don't file Self Assessment 
returns?

I'm a normal employee, full-time, salaried, etc., with nothing special 
about my tax affairs at all.  So much so that a few years ago the Inland 
Revenue (as it was at the time) wrote me a nice letter telling me that I 
was far too boring for them to bother with and would I please stop 
sending them returns?  (Paraphrased slightly, of course)  Each year my 
return had been one main short form, one employment page, one 
interest-income page with f*** all interest on it, and that's that.  No 
weird tax credits, odd-ball dividends, or anything like that.  90% of 
the boxes remained empty.

This week I received, out of the blue, a P-11d from my employer (with 
one item, employer-funded private medical insurance) together with a 
letter from the HR department explaining that it was my responsibility 
to tell HMRC about this benefit.  From them I was also able to find the 
figures for the 08/09 tax year, which it is also my responsibility to 
report to HMRC.

It's all a bit weird, though, because I've had the medical insurance for 
several years at my current employer, and they didn't send me one of 
these forms before.

OK, maybe it is my job, maybe it isn't, for both of the figures.  The 
HMRC call centre seemed to agree with the HR department that it was, and 
thanked me for the figures for next year.  However, for the 07/08 tax 
year figure, they said that they needed for me to send them the original 
of my P-60 and P-11d (advice: take copies before sending!) so they could 
adjust tax codes etc.

So, two more questions... Why the originals?  (Or, indeed, is that even 
necessary?)  And (given my previous experience with Self-Assessment 
forms), where can I go (from an edge-of-the-City location between 
Moorgate and Liverpool Street Tube stops) for the physically nearest tax 
office to drop off whatever I have to send them?  (I've done this in the 
past with SA forms so that delivery to the proper tax office is *their* 
problem not mine, and so that I have a proper receipt from them for 
them.)

I've looked on the HMRC and direct.gov websites, and can't actually find 
addresses for tax offices other than for the "proper" ones for me and 
for employers in and around the part of London where I work.  I found 
pages where I could put in my employer's reference number and get my own 
office, somewhere in Scotland, or I could put in my employer's post code 
and get their office, somewhere else in Scotland, but I didn't find any 
local ones near work.

Does anyone know where the nearest tax office to work is (nearest Tube 
is Moorgate)?  And if anyone can shed any light on why this came out of 
the blue like this, I'd be grateful.

Thanks in advance,
-- 
SteveR
(throw away the dustbin, send to stever@... instead)

"SteveR"  wrote in message 
news:Y+sNBFC2fqbIJwb4@grandfathersaxe.demon.co.uk...
> What do I do with a P-11d, given that I don't file Self Assessment 
> returns?
>
> I'm a normal employee, full-time, salaried, etc., with nothing special 
> about my tax affairs at all.  So much so that a few years ago the Inland 
> Revenue (as it was at the time) wrote me a nice letter telling me that I 
> was far too boring for them to bother with and would I please stop sending 
> them returns?  (Paraphrased slightly, of course)  Each year my return had 
> been one main short form, one employment page, one interest-income page 
> with f*** all interest on it, and that's that.  No weird tax credits, 
> odd-ball dividends, or anything like that.  90% of the boxes remained 
> empty.
>
> This week I received, out of the blue, a P-11d from my employer (with one 
> item, employer-funded private medical insurance) together with a letter 
> from the HR department explaining that it was my responsibility to tell 
> HMRC about this benefit.  From them I was also able to find the figures 
> for the 08/09 tax year, which it is also my responsibility to report to 
> HMRC.
>
> It's all a bit weird, though, because I've had the medical insurance for 
> several years at my current employer, and they didn't send me one of these 
> forms before.
>
> OK, maybe it is my job, maybe it isn't, for both of the figures.  The HMRC 
> call centre seemed to agree with the HR department that it was, and 
> thanked me for the figures for next year.  However, for the 07/08 tax year 
> figure, they said that they needed for me to send them the original of my 
> P-60 and P-11d (advice: take copies before sending!) so they could adjust 
> tax codes etc.
>
> So, two more questions... Why the originals?  (Or, indeed, is that even 
> necessary?)  And (given my previous experience with Self-Assessment 
> forms), where can I go (from an edge-of-the-City location between Moorgate 
> and Liverpool Street Tube stops) for the physically nearest tax office to 
> drop off whatever I have to send them?  (I've done this in the past with 
> SA forms so that delivery to the proper tax office is *their* problem not 
> mine, and so that I have a proper receipt from them for them.)
>
> I've looked on the HMRC and direct.gov websites, and can't actually find 
> addresses for tax offices other than for the "proper" ones for me and for 
> employers in and around the part of London where I work.  I found pages 
> where I could put in my employer's reference number and get my own office, 
> somewhere in Scotland, or I could put in my employer's post code and get 
> their office, somewhere else in Scotland, but I didn't find any local ones 
> near work.
>
> Does anyone know where the nearest tax office to work is (nearest Tube is 
> Moorgate)?  And if anyone can shed any light on why this came out of the 
> blue like this, I'd be grateful.
>


The nearest office with an enquiry centre for the public is either Euston 
Tower at the junction of Warre Street and Euston Road, nearest tube is 
either Euston Square or Warren street depending on tube used. Or yoy can go 
to Charles house, 375 Kensington High Street, near Olympia tube/rail 
station.
> Thanks in advance,
> -- 
> SteveR
> (throw away the dustbin, send to stever@... instead)

A P11D is specifically intended for use by employers sending to HMRC.

Yes most employers give the employee a *copy* for their records as a 
convieneit way to disclose the information, but I'm pretty sure the 
responsibility to report (along with all the other PAYE reporting) rests 
with the employer.





"SteveR"  wrote in message 
news:Y+sNBFC2fqbIJwb4@grandfathersaxe.demon.co.uk...
> What do I do with a P-11d, given that I don't file Self Assessment 
> returns?
>
> I'm a normal employee, full-time, salaried, etc., with nothing special 
> about my tax affairs at all.  So much so that a few years ago the Inland 
> Revenue (as it was at the time) wrote me a nice letter telling me that I 
> was far too boring for them to bother with and would I please stop sending 
> them returns?  (Paraphrased slightly, of course)  Each year my return had 
> been one main short form, one employment page, one interest-income page 
> with f*** all interest on it, and that's that.  No weird tax credits, 
> odd-ball dividends, or anything like that.  90% of the boxes remained 
> empty.
>
> This week I received, out of the blue, a P-11d from my employer (with one 
> item, employer-funded private medical insurance) together with a letter 
> from the HR department explaining that it was my responsibility to tell 
> HMRC about this benefit.  From them I was also able to find the figures 
> for the 08/09 tax year, which it is also my responsibility to report to 
> HMRC.
>
> It's all a bit weird, though, because I've had the medical insurance for 
> several years at my current employer, and they didn't send me one of these 
> forms before.
>
> OK, maybe it is my job, maybe it isn't, for both of the figures.  The HMRC 
> call centre seemed to agree with the HR department that it was, and 
> thanked me for the figures for next year.  However, for the 07/08 tax year 
> figure, they said that they needed for me to send them the original of my 
> P-60 and P-11d (advice: take copies before sending!) so they could adjust 
> tax codes etc.
>
> So, two more questions... Why the originals?  (Or, indeed, is that even 
> necessary?)  And (given my previous experience with Self-Assessment 
> forms), where can I go (from an edge-of-the-City location between Moorgate 
> and Liverpool Street Tube stops) for the physically nearest tax office to 
> drop off whatever I have to send them?  (I've done this in the past with 
> SA forms so that delivery to the proper tax office is *their* problem not 
> mine, and so that I have a proper receipt from them for them.)
>
> I've looked on the HMRC and direct.gov websites, and can't actually find 
> addresses for tax offices other than for the "proper" ones for me and for 
> employers in and around the part of London where I work.  I found pages 
> where I could put in my employer's reference number and get my own office, 
> somewhere in Scotland, or I could put in my employer's post code and get 
> their office, somewhere else in Scotland, but I didn't find any local ones 
> near work.
>
> Does anyone know where the nearest tax office to work is (nearest Tube is 
> Moorgate)?  And if anyone can shed any light on why this came out of the 
> blue like this, I'd be grateful.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- 
> SteveR
> (throw away the dustbin, send to stever@... instead)

"SteveR"  wrote in message 
news:Y+sNBFC2fqbIJwb4@grandfathersaxe.demon.co.uk...
>
> However, for the 07/08 tax year figure, they said that they needed for me 
> to send them the original of my P-60 and P-11d (advice: take copies before 
> sending!) so they could adjust tax codes etc.
>
> So, two more questions... Why the originals?  (Or, indeed, is that even 
> necessary?)

HMRC is entitled to ask to see originals - but it's daft since they have 
copies of both (filed by your employer) and if you complete a tax return 
they would only want to see them if they launch an enquiry.

That said, they may be persuaded to adjust your Tax Code just based on a 
letter - in which case you could enclose a copy (but not original) of P11D.

I wouldn't waste time and money going to a tax office - they mostly refuse 
to give receipts anyway nowadays.  Just post your SATR or letter (whichever 
you decide) sooner rather than later - or better still, complete and file 
SATR on-line.

> And if anyone can shed any light on why this came out of the blue like 
> this, I'd be grateful.

Someone in your firm has realised the error of her ways.

-- 
Martin

Martin  writes:
>
>"SteveR"  wrote in message
>news:Y+sNBFC2fqbIJwb4@grandfathersaxe.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> However, for the 07/08 tax year figure, they said that they needed for me
>> to send them the original of my P-60 and P-11d (advice: take copies before
>> sending!) so they could adjust tax codes etc.
>>
>> So, two more questions... Why the originals?  (Or, indeed, is that even
>> necessary?)
>
>HMRC is entitled to ask to see originals - but it's daft since they have
>copies of both (filed by your employer) and if you complete a tax return
>they would only want to see them if they launch an enquiry.
>
>That said, they may be persuaded to adjust your Tax Code just based on a
>letter - in which case you could enclose a copy (but not original) of P11D.

I was going to send a letter along with the documents anyway, so I'll 
write the same letter but send copies of the forms instead of the 
originals.

>I wouldn't waste time and money going to a tax office - they mostly refuse
>to give receipts anyway nowadays.  Just post your SATR or letter (whichever
>you decide) sooner rather than later - or better still, complete and file
>SATR on-line.
>
>> And if anyone can shed any light on why this came out of the blue like
>> this, I'd be grateful.
>
>Someone in your firm has realised the error of her ways.

I did wonder about that as a possibility, i.e. that they were supposed 
to have been sending it all along.  Ho Hum.

Thanks, to you and to the others who answered.
-- 
SteveR
(throw away the dustbin, send to stever@... instead)

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- Okay...now what do I do?

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"Brian Edwards"  wrote in message 
news:ttudnT29Euu5DvLVRVnyggA@posted.plusnet...
>A P11D is specifically intended for use by employers sending to HMRC.
>
> Yes most employers give the employee a *copy* for their records as a 
> convieneit way to disclose the information, but I'm pretty sure the 
> responsibility to report (along with all the other PAYE reporting) rests 
> with the employer.
>
The employer does have a responsibility to report to HMRC. They are also 
required to report to employee. The employee is then responsiblle for 
completing tax return and reporting their whole tax picture to HMRC.

>
>
>
> "SteveR"  wrote in message 
> news:Y+sNBFC2fqbIJwb4@grandfathersaxe.demon.co.uk...
>> What do I do with a P-11d, given that I don't file Self Assessment 
>> returns?
>>
>> I'm a normal employee, full-time, salaried, etc., with nothing special 
>> about my tax affairs at all.  So much so that a few years ago the Inland 
>> Revenue (as it was at the time) wrote me a nice letter telling me that I 
>> was far too boring for them to bother with and would I please stop 
>> sending them returns?  (Paraphrased slightly, of course)  Each year my 
>> return had been one main short form, one employment page, one 
>> interest-income page with f*** all interest on it, and that's that.  No 
>> weird tax credits, odd-ball dividends, or anything like that.  90% of the 
>> boxes remained empty.
>>
>> This week I received, out of the blue, a P-11d from my employer (with one 
>> item, employer-funded private medical insurance) together with a letter 
>> from the HR department explaining that it was my responsibility to tell 
>> HMRC about this benefit.  From them I was also able to find the figures 
>> for the 08/09 tax year, which it is also my responsibility to report to 
>> HMRC.
>>
>> It's all a bit weird, though, because I've had the medical insurance for 
>> several years at my current employer, and they didn't send me one of 
>> these forms before.
>>
>> OK, maybe it is my job, maybe it isn't, for both of the figures.  The 
>> HMRC call centre seemed to agree with the HR department that it was, and 
>> thanked me for the figures for next year.  However, for the 07/08 tax 
>> year figure, they said that they needed for me to send them the original 
>> of my P-60 and P-11d (advice: take copies before sending!) so they could 
>> adjust tax codes etc.
>>
>> So, two more questions... Why the originals?  (Or, indeed, is that even 
>> necessary?)  And (given my previous experience with Self-Assessment 
>> forms), where can I go (from an edge-of-the-City location between 
>> Moorgate and Liverpool Street Tube stops) for the physically nearest tax 
>> office to drop off whatever I have to send them?  (I've done this in the 
>> past with SA forms so that delivery to the proper tax office is *their* 
>> problem not mine, and so that I have a proper receipt from them for 
>> them.)
>>
>> I've looked on the HMRC and direct.gov websites, and can't actually find 
>> addresses for tax offices other than for the "proper" ones for me and for 
>> employers in and around the part of London where I work.  I found pages 
>> where I could put in my employer's reference number and get my own 
>> office, somewhere in Scotland, or I could put in my employer's post code 
>> and get their office, somewhere else in Scotland, but I didn't find any 
>> local ones near work.
>>
>> Does anyone know where the nearest tax office to work is (nearest Tube is 
>> Moorgate)?  And if anyone can shed any light on why this came out of the 
>> blue like this, I'd be grateful.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> -- 
>> SteveR
>> (throw away the dustbin, send to stever@... instead)
>
>

Simon wrote:

> "Brian Edwards"  wrote in message
> news:ttudnT29Euu5DvLVRVnyggA@posted.plusnet...
>>A P11D is specifically intended for use by employers sending to HMRC.
>>
>> Yes most employers give the employee a *copy* for their records as a
>> convieneit way to disclose the information, but I'm pretty sure the
>> responsibility to report (along with all the other PAYE reporting) rests
>> with the employer.
> 
> The employer does have a responsibility to report to HMRC. They are also
> required to report to employee. The employee is then responsiblle for
> completing tax return and reporting their whole tax picture to HMRC.

The employee is not required to complete a tax return unless asked to
do so.  In fact he used to and HMRC told him to stop.

If he is not asked to complete a TR, then he only needs to inform HMRC
if there is anything they need to know which they do not already know
or which someone else is not already telling them.  His employer is
already telling them everything on the P11D, so provided his affairs
are as boring as ever, there is nothing more he actually needs to do.
He should simply keep the P11D in case he needs to refer to it if he
should (unexpectedly)  be asked to complete another TR.