The grain drier is sold!

 From the amount of interest shown, Oz could have a nice little earner: 
renting out storage and drying space:-)

I am currently loading wheat (15.8%) to go back to the farm of origin to 
create space for the last 50 tons yet to be cut.

Another neighbour reckons he has 700 tons still standing.

regards
-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb wrote:
> The grain drier is sold!
> 
>  From the amount of interest shown, Oz could have a nice little earner: 
> renting out storage and drying space:-)
> 
> I am currently loading wheat (15.8%) to go back to the farm of origin to 
> create space for the last 50 tons yet to be cut.
> 
> Another neighbour reckons he has 700 tons still standing.
> 

Our Dragon boiler which I have been using for on floor drying with 5 
foot straw bales as fuel is now up for sale.

We still have a day's combining for a neighbour, but even if we have 
some dry days we cannot get on as his shed is full, and nowhere to 
tip it.

-- 
Stephen Temple

J F Temple & Son Ltd
Mrs Temple's Cheese - Quality Norfolk Produce
Barn Owl Instruments and Controls

On 2008-09-10, Tim Lamb  wrote:
> The grain drier is sold!
>
>  From the amount of interest shown, Oz could have a nice little earner: 
> renting out storage and drying space:-)
>
> I am currently loading wheat (15.8%) to go back to the farm of origin to 
> create space for the last 50 tons yet to be cut.
>
> Another neighbour reckons he has 700 tons still standing.
>

Within a mile; 
35 acres wheat;
60 acres wheat;
150 acres wheat;
Still looking very good. 

Most of the smaller (acreage) growers are finished, I have enough straw
from last year, so no interest in price, but it is being delivered to
horse trainers around, looks OK.

Also within a mile;
13 acres meadow, most very lodged, owners will pay to get it removed, but
nobody will touch it until removing it does not mean muddy roads.
22 acres that is in dispute for three years, clumps of weeds and grass
taking over. We are starting to see the answer to `what if' questions, as
in `what if the land was left unworked for years, what would it look
like.'

Amazingly, most of the corn is still standing. Once I saw wheat cut in
late October, I remember it snowing on the carts as we drew the last of
the stucks to the haggard. Must have been the late 50's-.




-- 
Greymaus
 .
  .
...

In message <TeOdnVa-e8lTOlrVRVnyhAA@posted.metronet>, Stephen Temple 
 writes
>Tim Lamb wrote:
>> The grain drier is sold!
>>   From the amount of interest shown, Oz could have a nice little 
>>earner:  renting out storage and drying space:-)
>>  I am currently loading wheat (15.8%) to go back to the farm of 
>>origin to  create space for the last 50 tons yet to be cut.
>>  Another neighbour reckons he has 700 tons still standing.
>>
>
>Our Dragon boiler which I have been using for on floor drying with 5 
>foot straw bales as fuel is now up for sale.

Might suit the guy who bought my mobile. He is having a store built with 
on floor drying ducts. You are a long way from Milton Keynes, though:-)
>
>We still have a day's combining for a neighbour, but even if we have 
>some dry days we cannot get on as his shed is full, and nowhere to tip 
>it.

Is that too much yield or reluctant haulier? One problem here is that 
lorries are tied up fetching and carrying from those who offer drying 
facilities.

regards
>

-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <TeOdnVa-e8lTOlrVRVnyhAA@posted.metronet>, Stephen Temple 
>  writes

>> Our Dragon boiler which I have been using for on floor drying with 5 
>> foot straw bales as fuel is now up for sale.
> 
> Might suit the guy who bought my mobile. He is having a store built with 
> on floor drying ducts. You are a long way from Milton Keynes, though:-)
>>
>> We still have a day's combining for a neighbour, but even if we have 
>> some dry days we cannot get on as his shed is full, and nowhere to tip 
>> it.
> 
> Is that too much yield or reluctant haulier? One problem here is that 
> lorries are tied up fetching and carrying from those who offer drying 
> facilities.
> 

Its the merchant to whom it is contracted running out of storage 
space. Lorry work is reasonable at the moment, beet factory opening 
has been put back from 17 Sept to 22 Sept. I see also that the 
Tillage events have been cancelled.

-- 
Stephen Temple

J F Temple & Son Ltd
Mrs Temple's Cheese - Quality Norfolk Produce
Barn Owl Instruments and Controls

Tim Lamb  writes

>The grain drier is sold!

Jammy sod.

>From the amount of interest shown, Oz could have a nice little earner: 
>renting out storage and drying space:-)

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that round here.

>I am currently loading wheat (15.8%) to go back to the farm of origin to 
>create space for the last 50 tons yet to be cut.
>
>Another neighbour reckons he has 700 tons still standing.

All mind in back a bit.

Big heap of someone else's in my shed, perhaps 1000T!

All at 25%.....

-- 
Oz

In message <CPF$7WAVFMyIFwqC@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz 
 writes

>>Another neighbour reckons he has 700 tons still standing.

He was one of the disappointed drier buyers.
>
>All mind in back a bit.

The chap I am helping used to grow Barley! No experience of storing wet 
grain or any suitable tackle. Apart from an ancient 0.5hp blower, a few 
lengths of on floor duct and two or three sucker spikes I don't have any 
means of conditioning anything above 18%.
>
>Big heap of someone else's in my shed, perhaps 1000T!

Oh? Is there no commercial involvement?
>
>All at 25%.....

And starting to warm nicely or have you got cold air blowing?

regards
>

-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb  writes
>>oz
>>Big heap of someone else's in my shed, perhaps 1000T!
>
>Oh? Is there no commercial involvement?

Not really cos I get to use his drier (my old one) and store in his bins
(my old one). On a year-on-year average we are about quits.

>>All at 25%.....
>
>And starting to warm nicely or have you got cold air blowing?

It is indeed but being steadily put through their drier (my old one) at
8 to 10 TPH and 107C! Ie 100T/day, 7 days = 700T!!

The most notable thing is how much smaller the dry heap is compared to
when it was wet. Not just the 12% moisture reduction but also a bushel
weight improvement. Its easy to see how people think they have more than
they have when its wet in the barn (and combine come to that).

-- 
Oz

On Wednesday, in article
     <xLudnY_Pqs8zY1rVnZ2dnUVZ8hydnZ2d@posted.metronet>
     usenet@jftemple.co.uk "Stephen Temple" wrote:

> Tim Lamb wrote:
> > In message <TeOdnVa-e8lTOlrVRVnyhAA@posted.metronet>, Stephen Temple 
> >  writes
> 
> >> Our Dragon boiler which I have been using for on floor drying with 5 
> >> foot straw bales as fuel is now up for sale.
> > 
> > Might suit the guy who bought my mobile. He is having a store built with 
> > on floor drying ducts. You are a long way from Milton Keynes, though:-)
> >>
> >> We still have a day's combining for a neighbour, but even if we have 
> >> some dry days we cannot get on as his shed is full, and nowhere to tip 
> >> it.
> > 
> > Is that too much yield or reluctant haulier? One problem here is that 
> > lorries are tied up fetching and carrying from those who offer drying 
> > facilities.
> > 
> 
> Its the merchant to whom it is contracted running out of storage 
> space. Lorry work is reasonable at the moment, beet factory opening 
> has been put back from 17 Sept to 22 Sept. I see also that the 
> Tillage events have been cancelled.

Some of the comments I have heard locally, cable-ploughing might have to 
make a comeback.

-- 
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was 
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.

In message , Oz 
 writes
>
>The most notable thing is how much smaller the dry heap is compared to
>when it was wet. Not just the 12% moisture reduction but also a bushel
>weight improvement. Its easy to see how people think they have more than
>they have when its wet in the barn (and combine come to that).

Yes. I can recall loads of wet grain coming down our by-pass actually 
heaped in the trailer.

regards
>

-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb  writes
>
>Yes. I can recall loads of wet grain coming down our by-pass actually heaped 
>in the trailer.

Indeed ...  tell me about it ...

-- 
Oz

On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:34:57 +0100, Oz wrote:

> Tim Lamb  writes
>>>oz
>>>Big heap of someone else's in my shed, perhaps 1000T!
>>
>>Oh? Is there no commercial involvement?
> 
> Not really cos I get to use his drier (my old one) and store in his bins
> (my old one). On a year-on-year average we are about quits.
> 
>>>All at 25%.....
>>
>>And starting to warm nicely or have you got cold air blowing?
> 
> It is indeed but being steadily put through their drier (my old one) at
> 8 to 10 TPH and 107C! Ie 100T/day, 7 days = 700T!!
> 

How much do you reckon its costing to get the moisture out?  Drying
down from that %age with oil at its present cost must be making eyes water
and wallets squeak?

On 2008-09-12, David P  wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:34:57 +0100, Oz wrote:
>
>> Tim Lamb  writes
>>>>oz
>>>>Big heap of someone else's in my shed, perhaps 1000T!
>>>
>>>Oh? Is there no commercial involvement?
>> 
>> Not really cos I get to use his drier (my old one) and store in his bins
>> (my old one). On a year-on-year average we are about quits.
>> 
>>>>All at 25%.....
>>>
>>>And starting to warm nicely or have you got cold air blowing?
>> 
>> It is indeed but being steadily put through their drier (my old one) at
>> 8 to 10 TPH and 107C! Ie 100T/day, 7 days = 700T!!
>> 
>
> How much do you reckon its costing to get the moisture out?  Drying
> down from that %age with oil at its present cost must be making eyes water
> and wallets squeak?

Corn merchant was telling me that deductions were 2.50 euro per point. Not
enough drying available, though.

-- 
Greymaus
 .
  .
...

David P  writes
>How much do you reckon its costing to get the moisture out?  Drying down 
>from that %age with oil at its present cost must be making eyes water and 
>wallets squeak? 

I estimate 25% -> 15% probably costs some 20L/T.

12 quid/T or 120/Ha.

Mind you its worth nothing in the field.

It would be more efficient in a floor store. Constant straight ambient
unheated high volume blowing would probably get you to circa 16% with
only electricity bill. Then dry at constant RH with computer controlled
burners to <15%.

-- 
Oz

Oz wrote:

> It would be more efficient in a floor store. Constant straight ambient
> unheated high volume blowing would probably get you to circa 16% with
> only electricity bill. Then dry at constant RH with computer controlled
> burners to <15%.
> 

Not much ambient around here to get below 18%. You need <62 RH to 
dry below 16, and <72 RH to get below 18%, and we have had very few 
drying hours below 72, let alone 62. With the straw boiler, our 
major cost is electricity for the fans.

-- 
Stephen Temple

J F Temple & Son Ltd
Mrs Temple's Cheese - Quality Norfolk Produce
Barn Owl Instruments and Controls

Stephen Temple  writes

>Not much ambient around here to get below 18%. You need <62 RH to dry below 
>16, and <72 RH to get below 18%, and we have had very few drying hours below 
>72, let alone 62. 

OK, that's interesting. I haven't ever run a drying floor so I don't
have a feeling for the figures. Hmm an american site has

RH%       Wheat         
%         40F/4C        70F/21C
20        8.5           7.7
30        10.2          9.2
40        11.7          10.7
50        13.2          12.0
60        14.6          13.3
70        16.2          14.8
80        18.0          16.5
90        20.4          18.7

Which doesn't quite match your figures, at equilibrium anyway.


>With the straw boiler, our major cost is electricity for 
>the fans.

Indeed so. And perhaps depreciation.

-- 
Oz

On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:33:52 +0100, Oz wrote:

> David P  writes
>>How much do you reckon its costing to get the moisture out?  Drying down 
>>from that %age with oil at its present cost must be making eyes water and 
>>wallets squeak? 
> 
> I estimate 25% -> 15% probably costs some 20L/T.
> 
> 12 quid/T or 120/Ha.
> 
> Mind you its worth nothing in the field.

True.  Whats the highest moisture content that merchants will accept
(subject to penalty)?
> 
> It would be more efficient in a floor store. Constant straight ambient
> unheated high volume blowing would probably get you to circa 16% with
> only electricity bill. Then dry at constant RH with computer controlled
> burners to <15%.

I see that Stephen is already discussing this with you but around here the
air is so wet all the time at present that I'd expect it to be very
difficult to use ambient to get any significant moisture reduction (indeed
*any* reduction)

David P  writes
>
>True.  Whats the highest moisture content that merchants will accept 
>(subject to penalty)? 

It will vary depending on the destination.

>> It would be more efficient in a floor store. Constant straight ambient
>> unheated high volume blowing would probably get you to circa 16% with
>> only electricity bill. Then dry at constant RH with computer controlled
>> burners to <15%.
>
>I see that Stephen is already discussing this with you but around here the 
>air is so wet all the time at present that I'd expect it to be very 
>difficult to use ambient to get any significant moisture reduction (indeed 
>*any* reduction) 

The figures suggest otherwise. In effect just keeping it out of the rain
(like in a blown store) is enough for a significant reduction (say to
circa 18%) and also remember that this results in cooling (good!).

Hmmm...

http://www.wunderground.com/global/Region/i_UK/Humidity.html

suggests most of england at 10.00AM was under about 80% implying an
equilibrium moisture for grain of about 17%.

-- 
Oz

Oz wrote:
> Stephen Temple  writes
> 
>> Not much ambient around here to get below 18%. You need <62 RH to dry below 
>> 16, and <72 RH to get below 18%, and we have had very few drying hours below 
>> 72, let alone 62. 
> 
> OK, that's interesting. I haven't ever run a drying floor so I don't
> have a feeling for the figures. Hmm an american site has
> 
> RH%       Wheat         
> %         40F/4C        70F/21C
> 20        8.5           7.7
> 30        10.2          9.2
> 40        11.7          10.7
> 50        13.2          12.0
> 60        14.6          13.3
> 70        16.2          14.8
> 80        18.0          16.5
> 90        20.4          18.7
> 
> Which doesn't quite match your figures, at equilibrium anyway.
> 
>

See the HGCA handbook. You need a sensible differential to be worth 
burning the electricity


>> With the straw boiler, our major cost is electricity for 
>> the fans.
> 
> Indeed so. And perhaps depreciation.
> 

Total cost of installation £11,000
Cost of Calor Gas for 1 year's operation 2002 £4888 (2002 prices!)
Cost of running at present 120 round straw bales at say £4 each 
landed in farmyard (own straw, save fuel by not having the chopper 
running on the combine, P & K retained on farm)




-- 
Stephen Temple

J F Temple & Son Ltd
Mrs Temple's Cheese - Quality Norfolk Produce
Barn Owl Instruments and Controls

Stephen Temple  writes
>> OK, that's interesting. I haven't ever run a drying floor so I don't
>> have a feeling for the figures. Hmm an american site has
>> 
>> RH%       Wheat         
>> %         40F/4C        70F/21C
>> 20        8.5           7.7
>> 30        10.2          9.2
>> 40        11.7          10.7
>> 50        13.2          12.0
>> 60        14.6          13.3
>> 70        16.2          14.8
>> 80        18.0          16.5
>> 90        20.4          18.7
>> 
>> Which doesn't quite match your figures, at equilibrium anyway.
>> 
>>
>
>See the HGCA handbook. 

They sometimes talk sense, but not always.

>You need a sensible differential to be worth burning 
>the electricity

Maybe but I would expect a big heap of grain to be a very good
exchanger. None the less not too hard to get 24% down to something
reasonable by the look of it. Blowing at 90RH and below should do this
quite quickly (as in a lot of blowing hours per day). Oughta get you sub
18% at least given it will often be sub 70.

-- 
Oz

Oz  writes
>They sometimes talk sense, but not always.

As I had my walk I felt a sunday morning science session coming on so I
took a sample of dry wheat (about14%) on my way back.

1000cc weighed 777 gms

I quickly (a few seconds) topped it up with water which weighed 358g

So I can say of this sample that (neglecting edge errors)

1) The volume of grain was 642ml
2) The grain density is 777/642 = 1200 g/L = 1200 kg/m^3
3) The interstitial volume is 35.8%

Which is quite interesting IMHO.

Topic sheet 16 from the HGCA suggests that 0.05 m^3/ton-sec is design
centre.

So lets take a store 2.5m deep and consider 1m^2 that is 2.5m^3 weighing
some 1.9T so target is 0.1m^3 air/sec in an interstitial volume of
0.90m^3 means it takes some  9 sec for the air to blow through.

Now we know 1000 grains weigh about 45gms so each grain weighs some 45mg
and the density is 1200 kg/m^3 so each grain has a volume of about 38
uL. Measuring a 'typical' grain as an ellipsoid 3.53 x 4.08 x 6.10 mm
(DIAM) and plugging into http://www.csgnetwork.com/volumeellipsoid.html
we get a volume of 46.0 mm^3 which is (amazingly) pretty close. Take a
smaller average size say 1.6 x 2.9 x 1.9 to get 37 mm^3 which is good
enough.

Surface area .. bugger.. not many
http://static.monolithic.com/plan-design/calcs/advanced.html

gives surface as 33 mm^2, whole dome/grain is thus about 66 mm^2.

Total grains in 1.9T is then about 42 x 10^6 with total area of
2800x10^6 mm^2 or 2800 m^2, blimey!

Just for fun the air volume is 0.90m^3 and this is blowing over a
surface of 2800 m^2 so the average thickness of the airflow is some 3mm.
I think we can assume rapid mixing (ie isotopic) moisure in the airflow.

Its also very clear why you get a drying (and a cooling) front, rather
than bulk drying of the grain. That is the RH% leaving will indeed be
very close to the equilibrium level of the grain.

To be continued if there is any discussion ....

-- 
Oz

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:54:25 +0100, Oz wrote:

> David P  writes
>>
> 
>>> It would be more efficient in a floor store. Constant straight ambient
>>> unheated high volume blowing would probably get you to circa 16% with
>>> only electricity bill. Then dry at constant RH with computer controlled
>>> burners to <15%.
>>
>>I see that Stephen is already discussing this with you but around here the 
>>air is so wet all the time at present that I'd expect it to be very 
>>difficult to use ambient to get any significant moisture reduction (indeed 
>>*any* reduction) 
> 
> The figures suggest otherwise. In effect just keeping it out of the rain
> (like in a blown store) is enough for a significant reduction (say to
> circa 18%) and also remember that this results in cooling (good!).
> 
> Hmmm...
> 
> http://www.wunderground.com/global/Region/i_UK/Humidity.html
> 
> suggests most of england at 10.00AM was under about 80% implying an
> equilibrium moisture for grain of about 17%.
>

This brings back memories of childhood when we dried by using ambient
temperature - of course, as it was childhood, the sun always shone then. 
As I grew older and the summers wetter we got a proper drier.  Up here I
can't think of anyone who is drying other than by heated air though in the
bigger arable areas I suppose they may well be.

In article , Oz
<URL:mailto:Oz@upthorpe.org.uk> wrote:
> Oz  writes
> >They sometimes talk sense, but not always.

> 1000cc weighed 777 gms
> 
> I quickly (a few seconds) topped it up with water which weighed 358g
> 
> So I can say of this sample that (neglecting edge errors)
> 
> 1) The volume of grain was 642ml
> 2) The grain density is 777/642 = 1200 g/L = 1200 kg/m^3
> 3) The interstitial volume is 35.8%
>
> Its also very clear why you get a drying (and a cooling) front, rather
> than bulk drying of the grain. That is the RH% leaving will indeed be
> very close to the equilibrium level of the grain.
> 
> To be continued if there is any discussion ....

Is there any sign of grain realignment due to lifting free (as it shrinks)
under air pressure - iow does the heap (locally) repack to a higher density
as well as the volume lost drying?

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

Derek Moody  writes

>Is there any sign of grain realignment due to lifting free (as it shrinks) 
>under air pressure - iow does the heap (locally) repack to a higher density 
>as well as the volume lost drying? 

I have no drying floor and never used one.

However I'm sure the heap would physically shrink. I would expect the
airflow to increase both because of the less spherical grains and because
its physically less high. The former subject to checking but it usually
seems harder to blow wet grain on a drier bed than dry.

I am absolutely amazed nobody has commented on a single one of my figures!

Its currently 6.00AM, just before dawn, the outside temp is 6.8C and the
humidity is 90%. I bought a Professional Wireless Weather Centre £49.99 
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=220865&&source=14&doy=search

Some may find it interesting, I've wanted a cheap one of these for
decades.

Anyway, the next bit would have been to examine some very-wet-grain
ambient air drying strategies but nobody seems interested.

-- 
Oz

On 2008-09-16, Oz  wrote:
> Derek Moody  writes
>
>>Is there any sign of grain realignment due to lifting free (as it shrinks) 
>>under air pressure - iow does the heap (locally) repack to a higher density 
>>as well as the volume lost drying? 
>
> I have no drying floor and never used one.
>
> However I'm sure the heap would physically shrink. I would expect the
> airflow to increase both because of the less spherical grains and because
> its physically less high. The former subject to checking but it usually
> seems harder to blow wet grain on a drier bed than dry.
>
> I am absolutely amazed nobody has commented on a single one of my figures!
>
> Its currently 6.00AM, just before dawn, the outside temp is 6.8C and the
> humidity is 90%. I bought a Professional Wireless Weather Centre £49.99 
> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=220865&&source=14&doy=search
>
> Some may find it interesting, I've wanted a cheap one of these for
> decades.
>
> Anyway, the next bit would have been to examine some very-wet-grain
> ambient air drying strategies but nobody seems interested.
>

We had a loft here and used to spread the barley on it to a height of
about 18'', It became impossible to keep cats out (You havn't lived until
you have smelled cat s*** going through the roller). Corn used to be OK. 
Re: your figures, I suppose that people find them arcane.

General situation, radio keeps reassuring us that everything is OK with
Irish banks, but the weather forcast after news says that it is going to
be a dry day, well, its still raining here at 9.40am, so if the general
news is as accurate as the weather forcast .........


-- 
Greymaus
 .
  .
...

In message <CXL$dJArC0zIFwD9@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz 
 writes
>Derek Moody  writes
>
>>Is there any sign of grain realignment due to lifting free (as it shrinks)
>>under air pressure - iow does the heap (locally) repack to a higher density
>>as well as the volume lost drying?
>
>I have no drying floor and never used one.
>
>However I'm sure the heap would physically shrink. I would expect the
>airflow to increase both because of the less spherical grains and because
>its physically less high. The former subject to checking but it usually
>seems harder to blow wet grain on a drier bed than dry.

A tipped heap of grain remains in motion for some minutes so I guess any 
disturbance is likely to cause further settling.
>
>I am absolutely amazed nobody has commented on a single one of my figures!

You know my attention span and mathematical capability:-)
>
>Its currently 6.00AM, just before dawn, the outside temp is 6.8C and the
>humidity is 90%. I bought a Professional Wireless Weather Centre £49.99
>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=220865&&source=14&doy=search

I hope your accountant recognises this as a legitimate business expense 
and not just gratifying some long buried childhood ambition:-)
>
>Some may find it interesting, I've wanted a cheap one of these for
>decades.
>
>Anyway, the next bit would have been to examine some very-wet-grain
>ambient air drying strategies but nobody seems interested.

Some more chewable Wheat arrived here yesterday afternoon, no idea of 
m/c but I am spreading it across the floor at about 3' deep.

Barring breakdowns, they should finish today.

regards
>

-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb  writes
>In message <CXL$dJArC0zIFwD9@farmeroz.port995.com>, Oz 
> writes
>>Derek Moody  writes
>>
>>>Is there any sign of grain realignment due to lifting free (as it shrinks)
>>>under air pressure - iow does the heap (locally) repack to a higher density
>>>as well as the volume lost drying?
>>
>>I have no drying floor and never used one.
>>
>>However I'm sure the heap would physically shrink. I would expect the
>>airflow to increase both because of the less spherical grains and because
>>its physically less high. The former subject to checking but it usually
>>seems harder to blow wet grain on a drier bed than dry.
>
>A tipped heap of grain remains in motion for some minutes so I guess any 
>disturbance is likely to cause further settling.
>>
>>I am absolutely amazed nobody has commented on a single one of my figures!
>
>You know my attention span and mathematical capability:-)

You are a bloody engineer, of course you can follow it!


>>Its currently 6.00AM, just before dawn, the outside temp is 6.8C and the
>>humidity is 90%. I bought a Professional Wireless Weather Centre £49.99
>>http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=220865&&source=14&doy=search
>
>I hope your accountant recognises this as a legitimate business expense 
>and not just gratifying some long buried childhood ambition:-)

Its indisputably a legit business expense.
I've already found out that rh% is lower than I previously thought.

>>Anyway, the next bit would have been to examine some very-wet-grain
>>ambient air drying strategies but nobody seems interested.
>
>Some more chewable Wheat arrived here yesterday afternoon, no idea of 
>m/c but I am spreading it across the floor at about 3' deep.
>
>Barring breakdowns, they should finish today.

My contractors should finish tomorrow, apart from the beans, that is.

-- 
Oz

In message , Oz 
 writes

>>Some more chewable Wheat arrived here yesterday afternoon, no idea of
>>m/c but I am spreading it across the floor at about 3' deep.
>>
>>Barring breakdowns, they should finish today.
>
>My contractors should finish tomorrow, apart from the beans, that is.

M/c on the neighbours wheat is about 17% so I am hoping it will store 
OK. Hagbergs gone to pot and he is now whingeing about the price for 
feed.

He has made an offer on the plough so that will clear off another set of 
your modestly priced wearing parts:-)

I see the bulk of the Swallows have gone South; last brood off now 
lining the telephone wires.

regards
>

-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb  writes
>
>M/c on the neighbours wheat is about 17% so I am hoping it will store OK. 

Not for long, not at all long unless cooled.
Check the web...

>Hagbergs gone to pot and he is now whingeing about the price for feed.
>
>He has made an offer on the plough so that will clear off another set of 
>your modestly priced wearing parts:-)

They should have appreciated given the increase in steel prices.

-- 
Oz

On 2008-09-17, Tim Lamb  wrote:
> In message , Oz 
> writes
>
>>>Some more chewable Wheat arrived here yesterday afternoon, no idea of
>>>m/c but I am spreading it across the floor at about 3' deep.
>>>
>>>Barring breakdowns, they should finish today.
>>
>>My contractors should finish tomorrow, apart from the beans, that is.
>
> M/c on the neighbours wheat is about 17% so I am hoping it will store 
> OK. Hagbergs gone to pot and he is now whingeing about the price for 
> feed.
>
> He has made an offer on the plough so that will clear off another set of 
> your modestly priced wearing parts:-)
>
> I see the bulk of the Swallows have gone South; last brood off now 
> lining the telephone wires.
>
> regards
>>
>
Short year for them. I can park the car in the garage again.

-- 
Greymaus
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In message , Oz 
 writes
>Tim Lamb  writes
>>
>>M/c on the neighbours wheat is about 17% so I am hoping it will store OK.
>
>Not for long, not at all long unless cooled.
>Check the web...

Hmm... the wettest, at the back is about 3' deep in a well ventilated 
barn. Nearer the front I had to pile it up to get it all in. I doubt it 
will get moved for a week or two:-( Still only 4' or so.

I have a digital probe but why I should be clambering about on someone 
else's grain.......

>>Hagbergs gone to pot and he is now whingeing about the price for feed.
>>
>>He has made an offer on the plough so that will clear off another set of
>>your modestly priced wearing parts:-)
>
>They should have appreciated given the increase in steel prices.

Indeed.

regards
>

-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb  writes
>In message , Oz 
> writes
>>Tim Lamb  writes
>>>
>>>M/c on the neighbours wheat is about 17% so I am hoping it will store OK.
>>
>>Not for long, not at all long unless cooled.
>>Check the web...
>
>Hmm... the wettest, at the back is about 3' deep in a well ventilated 
>barn. Nearer the front I had to pile it up to get it all in. I doubt it 
>will get moved for a week or two:-( Still only 4' or so.

More than deep enough for bugs to breed if its left for too long.

>I have a digital probe but why I should be clambering about on someone 
>else's grain.......

You shouldn't.

-- 
Oz

In message <$kfARQB8p3yIFwfJ@farmeroz.port995.com>
          Oz  wrote:




>>With the straw boiler, our major cost is electricity for
>>the fans.

> Indeed so. And perhaps depreciation.

Take a steam feed from the boiler and use turbine drive fans:*)

-- 
Edward..
What can they know, whose talk is only of bullocks.

"greymaus"  wrote in message 
news:slrngcusig.gpn.greymausg@maus.org...

> General situation, radio keeps reassuring us that everything is OK with
> Irish banks,

  How much did they issue in Mortgages and what is happening to Dublin 
property prices?

On 2008-09-18, Buddenbrooks  wrote:
>
> "greymaus"  wrote in message 
> news:slrngcusig.gpn.greymausg@maus.org...
>
>> General situation, radio keeps reassuring us that everything is OK with
>> Irish banks,
>
>   How much did they issue in Mortgages and what is happening to Dublin 
> property prices? 
>
>

Almost impossible to know. I DO know that rents are way down, and `for
sale' signs are put up and taken down. (it is possible to live in a house
rent-free is the house is not selling, to save on the insurance surcharge
that is put on empty houses.). The government is going to imitate the
Broonite idea of subsidising buyers (in fact, sellers), which, IMHO, is a
recipe for fraud.

-- 
Greymaus
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