Pat's Note: I don't think I should comment on this:

http://www.thepigsite.com/swinenews/18782/porcine-circovirus-type-2-can-be-transmitted-orally

Friday, August 15, 2008

Porcine Circovirus Type 2 Can be Transmitted Orally

GLOBAL - T. Opriessnig and co-workers have published a paper showing
that porcine circovirus type 2 (PCV2) in muscle and bone marrow is
infectious and transmissible to naïve pigs by oral consumption....

...Results from this study indicate that uncooked PCV2 DNA positive
lymphoid tissues, bone marrow, and skeletal muscle from PCV2 viraemic
pigs contain sufficient amount of infectious PCV2 to infect naïve pigs
by the oral route. 

Reference
Opriessnig T., Patterson A.R., Meng X.J. and Halbur P.G. Porcine
circovirus type 2 in muscle and bone marrow is infectious and
transmissible to naïve pigs by oral consumption. Veterinary
Microbiology, 2008 (to be published in the July issue).

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

On Aug 15, 11:57 am, Pat Gardiner
 wrote:
> Pat's Note: I don't think I should comment on this:
>
> http://www.thepigsite.com/swinenews/18782/porcine-circovirus-type-2-c...
>
> Friday, August 15, 2008
>
> Porcine Circovirus Type 2 Can be Transmitted Orally
>
> GLOBAL - T. Opriessnig and co-workers have published a paper showing
> that porcine circovirus type 2 (PCV2) in muscle and bone marrow is
> infectious and transmissible to naïve pigs by oral consumption....
>
> ...Results from this study indicate that uncooked PCV2 DNA positive
> lymphoid tissues, bone marrow, and skeletal muscle from PCV2 viraemic
> pigs contain sufficient amount of infectious PCV2 to infect naïve pigs
> by the oral route.
>
> Reference
> Opriessnig T., Patterson A.R., Meng X.J. and Halbur P.G. Porcine
> circovirus type 2 in muscle and bone marrow is infectious and
> transmissible to naïve pigs by oral consumption. Veterinary
> Microbiology, 2008 (to be published in the July issue).
>
> --
> Regards
> Pat Gardiner
> Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!www.go-self-sufficient.com andhttp://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

Dear Pat:   You've been diggin'.   Heck of a job.   The AR people will
love you, especially since they have the videos of half-eaten piglets
and pigs in some of the UK swine facilities they have videotaped
evidence of.   Face it, Pat, if pigs are in any environment, and one
dies, the cohorts will prey on that carcass.   That's exactly what was
actually filmed at Waugh's.   Half-eaten or more carcasses of deads.
Ingestion of any tissue would then allow transmission of the PCV1 or 3
or 3 or 4 into the very animal that consumed or came in contact with
those tissues.   That disallows the swill-feeding, because that meat
and tissue is supposed to meet certain standards of cooking.   Raw,
dead pork, allowed to rot and waste away, isn't cooked.   You've
opened up a whole new can of extortion on the part of the
superlatively self-proclaimed "superior" UK swine industry this
time.   Regardless of the past, with documented carcasses of deads
rotting in feeding pens, farrowing pens, and in open lots, carnivorous
swine are cannibals.   They can literally ingest, digest a whole
carcass, left to do so.    That means piss poor management is
responsible for the spread of these circoviruses.

Not only is bad management responsible, but so is dead animal disposal
also a serious problem, obviously obfuscated by changes to your dead
animal disposal laws.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, a whole new population of live animals
is infected, already infected with one or more circoviruses, to be
further propagated by current management breeding, farrowing, feeding
and marketing practices.

Furthermore, Scotland seems to be the worst violator, yet the most
concerned about maintaining it's trade policies, even if at the
expense of its own, ie, English and Wales counterparts and fellow
citizens.

That these practices are allowed to occur, inadequate, prompt, timely
disposal of any dead pig, has now cause the world enormous costs and
is the most significant risk to human life on Earth, today.

That you have provided this little snippet of information is worthy of
commendation.   It possibly means that uncooked or improperly cooked
pork, coming from a circovirus-affected pig or hog, can be transmitted
to a human being.

Trichinosis could.   It was. and the Public reacted with new cooking
recommendations.   But recommendations that weren't always followed by
everyone.   This time, they'd better listen and do what's
recommended.   It could mean a person's life is at risk if not
followed.   SARS and AVIAN Flu and BSE haven't killed a fraction of
the people this MRSA and C. Diff has.


Let's see what kind of objective science is out there to determine
what you've shared.   Start buying body bag stock.
It might be the best investment you ever make.

(Is your sausage always cooked past done?)   Lol,     I don't like
over-cooked sausage, with the lymph nodes, muscle tissue, fat, and
bone marrows.   Guess my life will be shorter than I thought.   But
hell, look what risks it takes to eat a stupid egg now.

Burkie in Kansas

In article ,
Burkie <URL:mailto:Burkie50@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 15, 11:57 am, Pat Gardiner
>  wrote:

> > Porcine Circovirus Type 2 Can be Transmitted Orally

> evidence of.   Face it, Pat, if pigs are in any environment, and one
> dies, the cohorts will prey on that carcass.   That's exactly what was

Burkie, don't let Pat's blind regurgitation of stolen reports fool you.

If a pig dies with circovirus and is eaten by it's fellows then, yes, that
-is- another way to transmit the virus but long before the event the group
will have been receiving virus from the sufferer by all the usual routes.

In other words, it makes little difference to the group, they're already
infected.  Just don't feed pigs raw pork from an external source is all -
and that's been illegal for a loooong time.

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:06:46 +0100, Derek Moody
 wrote:

>In article ,
>Burkie <URL:mailto:Burkie50@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 11:57 am, Pat Gardiner
>>  wrote:
>
>> > Porcine Circovirus Type 2 Can be Transmitted Orally
>
>> evidence of.   Face it, Pat, if pigs are in any environment, and one
>> dies, the cohorts will prey on that carcass.   That's exactly what was
>
>Burkie, don't let Pat's blind regurgitation of stolen reports fool you.
>
>If a pig dies with circovirus and is eaten by it's fellows then, yes, that
>-is- another way to transmit the virus but long before the event the group
>will have been receiving virus from the sufferer by all the usual routes.
>
>In other words, it makes little difference to the group, they're already
>infected.  Just don't feed pigs raw pork from an external source is all -
>and that's been illegal for a loooong time.

You  miss the point. Possibly deliberately. Try telling the pigs that
it is illegal.

Live pig imports and exports are legal. That constitutes an external
source.

It is surprising that you volunteer yourself to get involved in such
potentially dangerous affairs. 

I deliberately did not comment to allow the new research to be
absorbed and acted upon, however, if would be inappropriate to allow a
vacuum to be created to be filled with your pusedo-science yet again.

I suppose it is your involvement with Foot and Mouth 2001 that worries
you.  There is nothing you can do about that. Those that chronicle
this series of disasters would know all about your influence.

You are just going to accept that you got in badly wrong and were a
bad influence on those with real power.

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/


>
>Cheerio,

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:25:53 -0700 (PDT), Burkie 
wrote:

>On Aug 15, 11:57 am, Pat Gardiner
> wrote:
>> Pat's Note: I don't think I should comment on this:
>>
>> http://www.thepigsite.com/swinenews/18782/porcine-circovirus-type-2-c...
>>
>> Friday, August 15, 2008
>>
>> Porcine Circovirus Type 2 Can be Transmitted Orally
>>
>> GLOBAL - T. Opriessnig and co-workers have published a paper showing
>> that porcine circovirus type 2 (PCV2) in muscle and bone marrow is
>> infectious and transmissible to naïve pigs by oral consumption....
>>
>> ...Results from this study indicate that uncooked PCV2 DNA positive
>> lymphoid tissues, bone marrow, and skeletal muscle from PCV2 viraemic
>> pigs contain sufficient amount of infectious PCV2 to infect naïve pigs
>> by the oral route.
>>
>> Reference
>> Opriessnig T., Patterson A.R., Meng X.J. and Halbur P.G. Porcine
>> circovirus type 2 in muscle and bone marrow is infectious and
>> transmissible to naïve pigs by oral consumption. Veterinary
>> Microbiology, 2008 (to be published in the July issue).
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Pat Gardiner
>> Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!www.go-self-sufficient.com andhttp://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/
>
>Dear Pat:   You've been diggin'.   Heck of a job.   The AR people will
>love you, especially since they have the videos of half-eaten piglets
>and pigs in some of the UK swine facilities they have videotaped
>evidence of.   Face it, Pat, if pigs are in any environment, and one
>dies, the cohorts will prey on that carcass.   That's exactly what was
>actually filmed at Waugh's.   Half-eaten or more carcasses of deads.
>Ingestion of any tissue would then allow transmission of the PCV1 or 3
>or 3 or 4 into the very animal that consumed or came in contact with
>those tissues.   That disallows the swill-feeding, because that meat
>and tissue is supposed to meet certain standards of cooking.   Raw,
>dead pork, allowed to rot and waste away, isn't cooked.   You've
>opened up a whole new can of extortion on the part of the
>superlatively self-proclaimed "superior" UK swine industry this
>time.   Regardless of the past, with documented carcasses of deads
>rotting in feeding pens, farrowing pens, and in open lots, carnivorous
>swine are cannibals.   They can literally ingest, digest a whole
>carcass, left to do so.    That means piss poor management is
>responsible for the spread of these circoviruses.
>
>Not only is bad management responsible, but so is dead animal disposal
>also a serious problem, obviously obfuscated by changes to your dead
>animal disposal laws.
>
>Meanwhile, back at the ranch, a whole new population of live animals
>is infected, already infected with one or more circoviruses, to be
>further propagated by current management breeding, farrowing, feeding
>and marketing practices.
>
>Furthermore, Scotland seems to be the worst violator, yet the most
>concerned about maintaining it's trade policies, even if at the
>expense of its own, ie, English and Wales counterparts and fellow
>citizens.
>
>That these practices are allowed to occur, inadequate, prompt, timely
>disposal of any dead pig, has now cause the world enormous costs and
>is the most significant risk to human life on Earth, today.
>
>That you have provided this little snippet of information is worthy of
>commendation.   It possibly means that uncooked or improperly cooked
>pork, coming from a circovirus-affected pig or hog, can be transmitted
>to a human being.
>
>Trichinosis could.   It was. and the Public reacted with new cooking
>recommendations.   But recommendations that weren't always followed by
>everyone.   This time, they'd better listen and do what's
>recommended.   It could mean a person's life is at risk if not
>followed.   SARS and AVIAN Flu and BSE haven't killed a fraction of
>the people this MRSA and C. Diff has.
>
>
>Let's see what kind of objective science is out there to determine
>what you've shared.   Start buying body bag stock.
>It might be the best investment you ever make.
>
>(Is your sausage always cooked past done?)   Lol,     I don't like
>over-cooked sausage, with the lymph nodes, muscle tissue, fat, and
>bone marrows.   Guess my life will be shorter than I thought.   But
>hell, look what risks it takes to eat a stupid egg now.
>
>Burkie in Kansas

I was certainly not doing it to support animal rights, but neither do
I think they all have horns on their heads.

I got involved in this by accident and refuse to walk on the other
side of the street and allow crime to kill children.

The animal rights and welfare people are entitled to their views and
to express them according to the law.

By whatever means they have produced a whole series of photographs and
videos that claim to show the conditions on some British pig farms and
farms owned by people very close to the government.

I'm quite sure that most if not all of their "evidence" is genuine.
 
They misinterpret what they capture with the cameras as deliberate
cruelty when it is uncontrolled epidemics leaving piles of empty
antibiotic containers and dead pigs to be nuzzled and ingested by the
others.

The risks to human health are obvious and seem now to come from a
whole number of diseases possibly even circoviruses.

I rely on pig enzymes taken every day to keep alive, others use pig
heart valves.

They will be just as keen on Britain's hopelessly corrupt State
Veterinary Service as I am and just as anxious to see them brought to
justice.

This news changes everything.

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

Dear Pat:    Don't worry, Pat.   The UK pig people aren't alone in
failing to manage their swine business.   We have it here in the
U.S.A. too.

All you have to do is get on YouTube and you can see it for
yourself.....exactly what I was saying.   Actually, I don't feel sorry
for people that fail to manage their livestock properly.   There are
many who fail to look after their own production facilities,   it's
left up to their laborers who are supposed to be "caring" for those
pigs.   You won't hear them doing nothing but bitching because they
aren't making enough money.    Those types of people are the
criminals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JSYOLRIhL0&feature=related

And if you can stand that, here's another one on the Decomposition of
a Baby Pig, courtesy of Mother Nature:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1CD6gNmhr0&NR=1

Just a couple of the videos on the youtube website, Pat.

The fact is pigs will eat each other, they will eat a human, too.   Go
look for yourself.    There's always one common denominator with
"modern" swine production.........money.   Those that manage
well .....less than 10% might make a quid or two.    Those that don't,
won't.   That's the root of this problem.

Burkie

Goto my most recent post.   Now.

Burkie

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:24:11 -0700 (PDT), Burkie 
wrote:

>Dear Pat:    Don't worry, Pat.   The UK pig people aren't alone in
>failing to manage their swine business.   We have it here in the
>U.S.A. too.
>
>All you have to do is get on YouTube and you can see it for
>yourself.....exactly what I was saying.   Actually, I don't feel sorry
>for people that fail to manage their livestock properly.   There are
>many who fail to look after their own production facilities,   it's
>left up to their laborers who are supposed to be "caring" for those
>pigs.   You won't hear them doing nothing but bitching because they
>aren't making enough money.    Those types of people are the
>criminals.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JSYOLRIhL0&feature=related
>
>And if you can stand that, here's another one on the Decomposition of
>a Baby Pig, courtesy of Mother Nature:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1CD6gNmhr0&NR=1
>
>Just a couple of the videos on the youtube website, Pat.
>
>The fact is pigs will eat each other, they will eat a human, too.   Go
>look for yourself.    There's always one common denominator with
>"modern" swine production.........money.   Those that manage
>well .....less than 10% might make a quid or two.    Those that don't,
>won't.   That's the root of this problem.
>
>Burkie

I'm afraid it is money. 

I don't think most people have seen through the veneer of the rosy
cheeked farmer to see the reality of the structure of the pig (and
poultry) industries here or elsewhere, including the US.

It has nothing to do with farming as we know it, and I have always
been surpised to see the sheep and cattle farmers happy to have the
poultry and pig industries in such close association. There has been a
lot of pressure from the top.

The big companies spend a great deal of money hiding up the reality of
the actual ownership of the individual sites often using fear of
animal rights activists to do so.

The "bread and breakfast" system allows major companies and some
smaller ones to dissociate themselves from the standards at the
individual unit level, often employing East Europeans to run seveal
units from a caravan at one.

It also allows the health status of the herds to be hidden up for
nearly a decade.

Pigs do eat one another. That does not shock me. They are animals, but
the disclosure that cannibalism is a mechanism for the spread of
mutated PMWS came as a considerable shock, not just to me either, I
suspect.

That makes this a whole new ball game. You can't handle human health
risks with PR and spin, much as the government have tried to,

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/