-- 
Oz

Oz wrote:



Well, I am here (occasionally), although all I seem to see these days 
are second hand PG posts that I immediately killfile.

I suppose, while I am writing this, I should mention that I have a 
number of very special Border Collie pups ready to leave their mother 
next week. Last year's crop were so good that I not only sold them all 
in 2 weeks from advertising but had orders for this year. Fortunately, 
this year my bitch presented me with twelve puppies. From word of mouth 
in the trials world, as well as from those that missed out last year, I 
have already sold five and I have not advertised them yet. Since three 
of their very close relatives are representing Wales in this year's 
World Trial, I don't anticipate any difficulty in selling the rest but, 
if anyone needs a special dog, please let me know.

-- 
Howard Neil

On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:12:55 +0100, Howard Neil
 wrote:

>
>
>Oz wrote:
>
>
>
>Well, I am here (occasionally), although all I seem to see these days 
>are second hand PG posts that I immediately killfile.
>
>I suppose, while I am writing this, I should mention that I have a 
>number of very special Border Collie pups ready to leave their mother 
>next week. Last year's crop were so good that I not only sold them all 
>in 2 weeks from advertising but had orders for this year. Fortunately, 
>this year my bitch presented me with twelve puppies. From word of mouth 
>in the trials world, as well as from those that missed out last year, I 
>have already sold five and I have not advertised them yet. Since three 
>of their very close relatives are representing Wales in this year's 
>World Trial, I don't anticipate any difficulty in selling the rest but, 
>if anyone needs a special dog, please let me know.

Somebody tell our retired policeman that he has lost his nose ;o)))

He will kick himself later.

-- 
Regards
Pat Gardiner
Release the results of testing British pigs for MRSA and C.Diff now!
www.go-self-sufficient.com  and http://animal-epidemics.blogspot.com/

On 2008-08-04, Oz  wrote:
>


I am, was drawing in wrapped (something:silage?) when tractor tyre went
`poof' and everyone is on Bank holiday. The other driver seems to have
gone walkabout. Weather forcast dire. No real news of corn prices yet,
which means that there is a lot of winter barley been transferred to sores
without a firm price. 

-- 
Greymaus
 .
  .
...

Howard Neil wrote:
> 
> 
> Oz wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I am here (occasionally), although all I seem to see these days 
> are second hand PG posts that I immediately killfile.
> 
> I suppose, while I am writing this, I should mention that I have a 
> number of very special Border Collie pups ready to leave their mother 
> next week. Last year's crop were so good that I not only sold them all 
> in 2 weeks from advertising but had orders for this year. Fortunately, 
> this year my bitch presented me with twelve puppies. From word of mouth 
> in the trials world, as well as from those that missed out last year, I 
> have already sold five and I have not advertised them yet. Since three 
> of their very close relatives are representing Wales in this year's 
> World Trial, I don't anticipate any difficulty in selling the rest but, 
> if anyone needs a special dog, please let me know.
> 
Very tempting but it would not be fair on almost any dog, certainly not 
a top rank border collie, and we decided years ago when we lost ours 
that we would not have another.

We do have a second hand pleasure of our daughter's border terrier pup 
(12 weeks old and in to everything).  Bit like grandchildren, all the 
pleasure but little of the hassle.

-- 
Old Codger
e-mail use reply to field

What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make 
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

Old Codger wrote:
> Howard Neil wrote:
>>
>>
>> Oz wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, I am here (occasionally), although all I seem to see these days 
>> are second hand PG posts that I immediately killfile.
>>
>> I suppose, while I am writing this, I should mention that I have a 
>> number of very special Border Collie pups ready to leave their mother 
>> next week. Last year's crop were so good that I not only sold them all 
>> in 2 weeks from advertising but had orders for this year. Fortunately, 
>> this year my bitch presented me with twelve puppies. From word of 
>> mouth in the trials world, as well as from those that missed out last 
>> year, I have already sold five and I have not advertised them yet. 
>> Since three of their very close relatives are representing Wales in 
>> this year's World Trial, I don't anticipate any difficulty in selling 
>> the rest but, if anyone needs a special dog, please let me know.
>>
> Very tempting but it would not be fair on almost any dog, certainly not 
> a top rank border collie, and we decided years ago when we lost ours 
> that we would not have another.
> 
> We do have a second hand pleasure of our daughter's border terrier pup 
> (12 weeks old and in to everything).  Bit like grandchildren, all the 
> pleasure but little of the hassle.
> 


Yes, they do really need to go to a working home. Otherwise they would 
soon get bored and wreck the house.

-- 
Howard Neil

In message , Oz 
 writes

Building, still building!

Catering dept. now home having actually seen the Charles and Camilla 
helicopter and reporting that a new loo seat was fitted to their 
en-suite at the Swan hotel:-)

Hagbergs in this humid weather is worrying my neighbour who has wheat 
sold forward at 140ukp.

Anyone have views on Woodland Trust? The arable land I sold in 2006 is 
included in the 850 acres they are currently raising money to buy. It 
rather makes the decision to take down some immature Oaks on 
neighbouring common land look a bit silly. Taking reasonably good arable 
land permanently out of production looks a bit silly as well.

regards
>

-- 
Tim Lamb

In message 
          greymaus  wrote:

> On 2008-08-04, Oz  wrote:
>>


> I am, was drawing in wrapped (something:silage?) when tractor tyre went
> `poof' and everyone is on Bank holiday. The other driver seems to have
> gone walkabout. Weather forcast dire. No real news of corn prices yet,
> which means that there is a lot of winter barley been transferred to sores
> without a firm price.
Went to mart today to see how the store lamb trade was doing.  Price 
range was 15 to 40.  A bit more buoyant than last year but not much.
Too many showers for much field work at the mo.


-- 
Edward..
What can they know, whose talk is only of bullocks.

Howard Neil wrote:
> 
> Old Codger wrote:
>> Howard Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Oz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I am here (occasionally), although all I seem to see these days 
>>> are second hand PG posts that I immediately killfile.
>>>
>>> I suppose, while I am writing this, I should mention that I have a 
>>> number of very special Border Collie pups ready to leave their mother 
>>> next week. Last year's crop were so good that I not only sold them 
>>> all in 2 weeks from advertising but had orders for this year. 
>>> Fortunately, this year my bitch presented me with twelve puppies. 
>>> From word of mouth in the trials world, as well as from those that 
>>> missed out last year, I have already sold five and I have not 
>>> advertised them yet. Since three of their very close relatives are 
>>> representing Wales in this year's World Trial, I don't anticipate any 
>>> difficulty in selling the rest but, if anyone needs a special dog, 
>>> please let me know.
>>>
>> Very tempting but it would not be fair on almost any dog, certainly 
>> not a top rank border collie, and we decided years ago when we lost 
>> ours that we would not have another.
>>
>> We do have a second hand pleasure of our daughter's border terrier pup 
>> (12 weeks old and in to everything).  Bit like grandchildren, all the 
>> pleasure but little of the hassle.
>>
> 
> 
> Yes, they do really need to go to a working home. Otherwise they would 
> soon get bored and wreck the house.
> 
Our bitch didn't, at least not after the puppy stage, even though she 
was alone all day during the week, apart from a brief visit most lunch 
times.  She did get long walks every day though.  She was also a quarter 
lab.

-- 
Old Codger
e-mail use reply to field

What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make 
people believe has happened. [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]

On 2008-08-04, Edward  wrote:
> In message 
>           greymaus  wrote:
>
>> On 2008-08-04, Oz  wrote:
>>>
>
>
>> I am, was drawing in wrapped (something:silage?) when tractor tyre went
>> `poof' and everyone is on Bank holiday. The other driver seems to have
>> gone walkabout. Weather forcast dire. No real news of corn prices yet,
>> which means that there is a lot of winter barley been transferred to sores
>> without a firm price.
> Went to mart today to see how the store lamb trade was doing.  Price 
> range was 15 to 40.  A bit more buoyant than last year but not much.
> Too many showers for much field work at the mo.
>
>

15 to 40? (presumably pounds sterling?). A comment from a man few years
ago, `Lambs off middling ground that are very white in August will need a
few weeks to get used to good pasture, lambs that are already a bit
thriving will be fat in about six weeks'. (Presuming that the `good
colour' is not caused by sheep scab.)

Most of the silage in, the other driver went off to pub for help, and got
a `prominent builder' who was `resting'. Things seem to be quiet in the
building trade.


-- 
Greymaus
 .
  .
...

On 2008-08-04, Old Codger  wrote:
> Howard Neil wrote:
>> 
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, they do really need to go to a working home. Otherwise they would 
>> soon get bored and wreck the house.
>> 
> Our bitch didn't, at least not after the puppy stage, even though she 
> was alone all day during the week, apart from a brief visit most lunch 
> times.  She did get long walks every day though.  She was also a quarter 
> lab.
>

Labs are very smart dogs, like Border Collies, and need something to do to
keep them amused.


-- 
Greymaus
 .
  .
...

In article , greymaus
<URL:mailto:greymausg@mail.com> wrote:
> On 2008-08-04, Oz  wrote:

> gone walkabout. Weather forcast dire. No real news of corn prices yet,
> which means that there is a lot of winter barley been transferred to sores
> without a firm price. 

What's the quality like?  Chap here peeved that for the second year he
hasn't made brewing quality.  I hear a lot of dryer noise atm, not sure
which crop.  Running practically all night over the w/e.

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

No, It's raining so I'm staying in.

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:22:36 +0100, Tim Lamb
 wrote:

>Anyone have views on Woodland Trust?

   :=)



> The arable land I sold in 2006 is 
>included in the 850 acres they are currently raising money to buy. It 
>rather makes the decision to take down some immature Oaks on 
>neighbouring common land look a bit silly.

Its a bit like us with our heathland, we are required to reinstate the
heath from secondary forest and neighbours get grants for replanting
broadleaved woodland, the conservation bodies aren't joined up and
none of them acknowledge the loss off carbon sequestration.

The conservation business is full of money, from modulation?? as well
as donations, and thus the "market" is saying to them that they can
afford to go out and follow their objectives without standing back and
looking at the whole.


> Taking reasonably good arable 
>land permanently out of production looks a bit silly as well.

I've always been uneasy at reducing what self sufficiency we can
manage but despite the rise in cereal prices it does seem that many
farmers have still reduced their planted acreages.

Anyway it was all originally wildwood!

AJH

On 2008-08-05, Derek Moody  wrote:
> In article , greymaus
><URL:mailto:greymausg@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 2008-08-04, Oz  wrote:
>
>> gone walkabout. Weather forcast dire. No real news of corn prices yet,
>> which means that there is a lot of winter barley been transferred to sores
>> without a firm price. 
>
> What's the quality like?  Chap here peeved that for the second year he
> hasn't made brewing quality.  I hear a lot of dryer noise atm, not sure
> which crop.  Running practically all night over the w/e.
>
> Cheerio,
>

None cut recently (maybe some Monday), quality was poor to start, on poor
ground, but then very good off better ground. Price down from last year,
not sure how much yet, but one man decided to build a corn store, and is
getting ready to put in concrete floor as we communicate. Kinda reminds me
of people who leave their leveraged-investments in place because `prices
must rise' (No, they musn't). Corn, is suppose, is fairly stable price.


-- 
Greymaus
 .
  .
...

In message , AJH 
 writes
>On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:22:36 +0100, Tim Lamb
> wrote:
>
>>Anyone have views on Woodland Trust?
>
>   :=)
>
>
>
>> The arable land I sold in 2006 is
>>included in the 850 acres they are currently raising money to buy. It
>>rather makes the decision to take down some immature Oaks on
>>neighbouring common land look a bit silly.
>
>Its a bit like us with our heathland, we are required to reinstate the
>heath from secondary forest and neighbours get grants for replanting
>broadleaved woodland, the conservation bodies aren't joined up and
>none of them acknowledge the loss off carbon sequestration.
>
>The conservation business is full of money, from modulation?? as well
>as donations, and thus the "market" is saying to them that they can
>afford to go out and follow their objectives without standing back and
>looking at the whole.

Why would anyone donate money so that somebody else can buy land to 
plant trees?
>
>
>> Taking reasonably good arable
>>land permanently out of production looks a bit silly as well.
>
>I've always been uneasy at reducing what self sufficiency we can
>manage but despite the rise in cereal prices it does seem that many
>farmers have still reduced their planted acreages.

Cereal prices have come back sharply in the last few weeks. Increased 
growing costs may not follow.
>
>Anyway it was all originally wildwood!

Yes:-)
Hertfordshire is not short of woodland. Public access is a different 
issue with unsupervised car parks attracting fly tipping.

regards

-- 
Tim Lamb

In message <qOrh$WBEkJmIFw+C@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
          Tim Lamb  wrote:


>>
>>I've always been uneasy at reducing what self sufficiency we can
>>manage but despite the rise in cereal prices it does seem that many
>>farmers have still reduced their planted acreages.

A neighbour on one of the Anglesey farms has planted a large field on 
my boundary with winter cereal.  It has been PP since I can remember 
(1957) when we bought our place.  It made a rotten start and part was 
redrilled.  He claims he has planted over 200 acres.



-- 
Edward..
What can they know, whose talk is only of bullocks.

In message , Edward 
 writes
>In message <qOrh$WBEkJmIFw+C@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
>          Tim Lamb  wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>I've always been uneasy at reducing what self sufficiency we can
>>>manage but despite the rise in cereal prices it does seem that many
>>>farmers have still reduced their planted acreages.
>
>A neighbour on one of the Anglesey farms has planted a large field on
>my boundary with winter cereal.  It has been PP since I can remember
>(1957) when we bought our place.  It made a rotten start and part was
>redrilled.  He claims he has planted over 200 acres.

As Oz said earlier, PP harbours lots of insect pests.

On ploughing PP, if challenged, you have to be able to show that the 
land has been *cultivated* in the preceding 15 years. This might be as 
little as chemical enhancement of the soil by the addition of organic or 
inorganic fertilisers.

regards
-- 
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb  writes
>>A neighbour on one of the Anglesey farms has planted a large field on
>>my boundary with winter cereal.  It has been PP since I can remember
>>(1957) when we bought our place.  It made a rotten start and part was
>>redrilled.  

Dual purpose dressing is essential. I guess that means gaucho
insecticide these days.

>As Oz said earlier, PP harbours lots of insect pests.
>
>On ploughing PP, if challenged, you have to be able to show that the land 
>has been *cultivated* in the preceding 15 years. This might be as little as 
>chemical enhancement of the soil by the addition of organic or inorganic 
>fertilisers.

Until someone changes the rules.

Best to be well in, IYSWIM.

-- 
Oz

On 2008-08-07, Tim Lamb  wrote:
> In message , Edward 
> writes
>>In message <qOrh$WBEkJmIFw+C@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
>>          Tim Lamb  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>I've always been uneasy at reducing what self sufficiency we can
>>>>manage but despite the rise in cereal prices it does seem that many
>>>>farmers have still reduced their planted acreages.
>>
>>A neighbour on one of the Anglesey farms has planted a large field on
>>my boundary with winter cereal.  It has been PP since I can remember
>>(1957) when we bought our place.  It made a rotten start and part was
>>redrilled.  He claims he has planted over 200 acres.
>
> As Oz said earlier, PP harbours lots of insect pests.
>
> On ploughing PP, if challenged, you have to be able to show that the 
> land has been *cultivated* in the preceding 15 years. This might be as 
> little as chemical enhancement of the soil by the addition of organic or 
> inorganic fertilisers.
>

Usually done here by checking merchants records, but in my case,
impossible, the merchant collapsed with a mess of their accounts which
caused major hassles with people trying to claim arable entitlements. I
just gave up, I used to get 5 acres or so ploughed for a years corn and
reseeding, sometimes with turnips/fodder beet in one year, it wasn't worth
the hassle, but there were people involved with hundreds of acres, I
suppose they would have accounts. I heard after that the real reason that
the merchant would not back up claims was that accounts were not settled.

-- 
Greymaus
 .
  .
...

In message 
          Tim Lamb  wrote:

> In message , Edward
>  writes
>>In message <qOrh$WBEkJmIFw+C@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
>>          Tim Lamb  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>I've always been uneasy at reducing what self sufficiency we can
>>>>manage but despite the rise in cereal prices it does seem that many
>>>>farmers have still reduced their planted acreages.
>>
>>A neighbour on one of the Anglesey farms has planted a large field on
>>my boundary with winter cereal.  It has been PP since I can remember
>>(1957) when we bought our place.  It made a rotten start and part was
>>redrilled.  He claims he has planted over 200 acres.

> As Oz said earlier, PP harbours lots of insect pests.

> On ploughing PP, if challenged, you have to be able to show that the
> land has been *cultivated* in the preceding 15 years. This might be as
> little as chemical enhancement of the soil by the addition of organic or
> inorganic fertilisers.

> regards
I suppose regular silaging with the usual inputs of slurry and 
compound ought to be alright then.  Of course, this is Wales and we 
might do things differently here.

What are people doing about BT?  Any actual vaccinating to report?

-- 
Edward..
What can they know, whose talk is only of bullocks.

In article ,
   Edward  wrote:
> In message 
>           Tim Lamb  wrote:


> > As Oz said earlier, PP harbours lots of insect pests.

> > On ploughing PP, if challenged, you have to be able to show that the
> > land has been *cultivated* in the preceding 15 years. This might be as
> > little as chemical enhancement of the soil by the addition of organic or
> > inorganic fertilisers.

> > regards
> I suppose regular silaging with the usual inputs of slurry and 
> compound ought to be alright then.  Of course, this is Wales and we 
> might do things differently here.

> What are people doing about BT?  Any actual vaccinating to report?

We only have a few sheep now - 22 to be exact. Have vaccinated 21 of them;
remaining one to be done when a neighbour does his cattle. He's got the
vaccine but the cattle are in fields scattered over several miles around
and the potlife of the vaccine, once opened, is only 8 hours.

Cheers
jane

-- 

Jane G       :      j.gillett@higherstert.co.uk            :        S Devon