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date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:13:12 +0100,    group: uk.rec.cars.modifications        back       
VW engine type gurus   
My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.

Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:13:12 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>
> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>

Put a V6 init it you know you want the growl!!

Although If I were you I'd sell it and buy a faster car as insurance might 
get a bit silly ? ... be easier aswell :) probly cheaper int he long run 
too.
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:24:15 +0100   author:   Sarah

Re: VW engine type gurus   
Sarah wrote:
> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>
>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>
> 
> Put a V6 init it you know you want the growl!!

Heh.  I wonder if he could just run the LPG kit he's got on 4 of the 
cylinders to save fuel.

> Although If I were you I'd sell it and buy a faster car as insurance might 
> get a bit silly ? ... be easier aswell :) probly cheaper int he long run 
> too. 

Heheh, well done on quoting the standard uk.rec.cars.modifications 
answer.  (c:

Perhaps you are right, but I have it on good authority that Bob is the 
original ebay bargain engine hunter, is on his way to being a giffer so 
won't have too much bother with insurance, is reasonably spanner 
competent and has access to some engineering aquaintances to whom an 
engine swap is something that happens in an afternoon.

-- 
Douglas
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:36:21 +0100   author:   Douglas Payne

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>
> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)

Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will fit.
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:51:15 +0100   author:   Homer

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Homer"  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>
>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)

> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will
> fit.

Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?
date: 21 Sep 2008 20:03:17 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Douglas Payne"  wrote in message 
news:6jnm1iF45oekU1@mid.individual.net...
> Sarah wrote:
>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>
>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>
>>
>> Put a V6 init it you know you want the growl!!
>
> Heh.  I wonder if he could just run the LPG kit he's got on 4 of the 
> cylinders to save fuel.
>
>> Although If I were you I'd sell it and buy a faster car as insurance 
>> might get a bit silly ? ... be easier aswell :) probly cheaper int he 
>> long run too.
>
> Heheh, well done on quoting the standard uk.rec.cars.modifications answer. 
> (c:
>
> Perhaps you are right, but I have it on good authority that Bob is the 
> original ebay bargain engine hunter, is on his way to being a giffer so 
> won't have too much bother with insurance, is reasonably spanner competent 
> and has access to some engineering aquaintances to whom an engine swap is 
> something that happens in an afternoon.
>

I happen to have heard similar things.  I think Bob should find the biggest 
engine he can :-)  Or at least the 150bhp 2.0 16v from the Golf Mk3 GTi...?

-- 
Dan B
Clio R27
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:05:41 +0100   author:   DanB

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:6jnnk5F46r2gU2@mid.individual.net...
> "Homer"  gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>
>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>
>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will
>> fit.
>
> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?

And if not, settle on a 6.0 W12?  Do you think it would upset the balance?

-- 
Dan B
Clio R27
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:06:22 +0100   author:   DanB

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Homer"  wrote in message 
news:gb68ji$r21$1@localhost.localdomain...
> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>
>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>
> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will 
> fit.
>
>

I'm talking the bare engine here.
I would want to use my existing management and inlet / exhaust manifolds.
Is there a larger 4 cylinder crossflow head engine that fits where an AFt 
used to live ?

Fueling isn't a problem, I can map more gas in.
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:10:16 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Douglas Payne"  wrote in message 
news:6jnm1iF45oekU1@mid.individual.net...
> Sarah wrote:
>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>
>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>
>>
>> Put a V6 init it you know you want the growl!!
>
> Heh.  I wonder if he could just run the LPG kit he's got on 4 of the 
> cylinders to save fuel.
>
>> Although If I were you I'd sell it and buy a faster car as insurance 
>> might get a bit silly ? ... be easier aswell :) probly cheaper int he 
>> long run too.
>
> Heheh, well done on quoting the standard uk.rec.cars.modifications answer. 
> (c:
>
> Perhaps you are right, but I have it on good authority that Bob is the 
> original ebay bargain engine hunter, is on his way to being a giffer so 
> won't have too much bother with insurance, is reasonably spanner competent 
> and has access to some engineering aquaintances to whom an engine swap is 
> something that happens in an afternoon.
>

I really hope you don't mean the Laird of Drumclog...
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:11:57 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"DanB"  wrote in message 
news:6jnnqoF44tbeU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Adrian"  wrote in message 
> news:6jnnk5F46r2gU2@mid.individual.net...
>> "Homer"  gurgled happily, sounding much like
>> they were saying:
>>
>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>
>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>
>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will
>>> fit.
>>
>> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?
>
> And if not, settle on a 6.0 W12?  Do you think it would upset the balance?
>

The shell is wobbly enough as it is...
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:13:12 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Douglas Payne"  wrote in message 
news:6jnm1iF45oekU1@mid.individual.net...
> Sarah wrote:
>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>
>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>
>>
>> Put a V6 init it you know you want the growl!!
>
> Heh.  I wonder if he could just run the LPG kit he's got on 4 of the 
> cylinders to save fuel.

LPG conversion sounds good, no doubt the gov will soon tax the danglies off 
that aswell soon.

>> Although If I were you I'd sell it and buy a faster car as insurance 
>> might get a bit silly ? ... be easier aswell :) probly cheaper int he 
>> long run too.
>
> Heheh, well done on quoting the standard uk.rec.cars.modifications answer. 
> (c:

Shows I've been hanging around here too long  :)
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:29:44 +0100   author:   Sarah

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
news:LZedncQLfJpFN0vVnZ2dnUVZ8t_inZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "DanB"  wrote in message 
> news:6jnnqoF44tbeU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Adrian"  wrote in message 
>> news:6jnnk5F46r2gU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Homer"  gurgled happily, sounding much like
>>> they were saying:
>>>
>>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>
>>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will
>>>> fit.
>>>
>>> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?
>>
>> And if not, settle on a 6.0 W12?  Do you think it would upset the 
>> balance?
>>
>
> The shell is wobbly enough as it is...
>

It's ok, the engine would fill most of it and stiffen it up :-)

-- 
Dan B
Clio R27
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:35:59 +0100   author:   DanB

Re: VW engine type gurus   
Homer wrote:
> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>
>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
> 
> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will fit.
> 
> 
Depends if he wants to keep the gearbox as well.
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:10:24 GMT   author:   Chris Bartram

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Chris Bartram"  wrote in message 
news:4LyBk.61100$E41.16072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Homer wrote:
>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>
>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>
>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will 
>> fit.
>>
>>
> Depends if he wants to keep the gearbox as well.

That I would definitely want to do.
A sensible increase in torque would be all I wanted really.
A 2.0 8 valve engine would be great if that were possible.
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:17:40 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

Re: VW engine type gurus   
Sarah wrote:
> "Douglas Payne"  wrote in message 
> news:6jnm1iF45oekU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Sarah wrote:
>>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>
>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>>
>>> Put a V6 init it you know you want the growl!!
>> Heh.  I wonder if he could just run the LPG kit he's got on 4 of the 
>> cylinders to save fuel.
> 
> LPG conversion sounds good, no doubt the gov will soon tax the danglies off 
> that aswell soon.

I've been hearing that for about 10 years now.  I might even have said 
it a few times.

-- 
Douglas
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:52:52 +0100   author:   Douglas Payne

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:6jnnk5F46r2gU2@mid.individual.net...
> "Homer"  gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
>
>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>
>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>
>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will
>> fit.
>
> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?

Probably not, I did say upto the R36.
date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:53:03 +0100   author:   Homer

Re: VW engine type gurus   
DanB wrote:
> "Adrian"  wrote in message
> news:6jnnk5F46r2gU2@mid.individual.net...
>> "Homer"  gurgled happily, sounding much
>> like they were saying:
>>
>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>
>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>
>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat
>>> will fit.
>>
>> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?
>
> And if not, settle on a 6.0 W12?  Do you think it would upset the
> balance?

only if you don't put one in the back too.
date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:01:23 +0100   author:   Tim S Kemp

Re: VW engine type gurus   
Homer wrote:

>> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?
>
> Probably not, I did say upto the R36.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chreIG-6NXo
date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:07:44 +0100   author:   Tim S Kemp

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message 
news:ZYmdnatXi_Wqq0rVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
> Homer wrote:
>
>>> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?
>>
>> Probably not, I did say upto the R36.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chreIG-6NXo

I was assuming by an exchange engine it had to go in place of the old one.
date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:47:24 +0100   author:   Homer

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Homer"  wrote in message 
news:gb8i6s$i23$1@localhost.localdomain...
> "Tim S Kemp"  wrote in message 
> news:ZYmdnatXi_Wqq0rVnZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk...
>> Homer wrote:
>>
>>>> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?
>>>
>>> Probably not, I did say upto the R36.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chreIG-6NXo
>
> I was assuming by an exchange engine it had to go in place of the old one.
>
>

Yep.
date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:49:48 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

Re: VW engine type gurus   
Bob Sherunckle wrote:
> "Chris Bartram"  wrote in message 
> news:4LyBk.61100$E41.16072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Homer wrote:
>>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>
>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will 
>>> fit.
>>>
>>>
>> Depends if he wants to keep the gearbox as well.
> 
> That I would definitely want to do.
> A sensible increase in torque would be all I wanted really.
> A 2.0 8 valve engine would be great if that were possible. 
> 
> 
What variety of Golf? I'm asking a couple of people elsewhere....
date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:14:38 GMT   author:   Chris Bartram

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Chris Bartram"  wrote in message 
news:igRBk.61444$E41.49070@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Bob Sherunckle wrote:
>> "Chris Bartram"  wrote in message 
>> news:4LyBk.61100$E41.16072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will 
>>>> fit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Depends if he wants to keep the gearbox as well.
>>
>> That I would definitely want to do.
>> A sensible increase in torque would be all I wanted really.
>> A 2.0 8 valve engine would be great if that were possible.
> What variety of Golf? I'm asking a couple of people elsewhere....

MK3.5

So, it looks like a MKIV from the front, but is actually a MK3 under the 
skin.
It's a girly ragtop, but the important oily bits are MK3.

Cheers

JF
date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:44:00 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Homer"  wrote in message 
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> "Adrian"  wrote in message 
> news:6jnnk5F46r2gU2@mid.individual.net...
>> "Homer"  gurgled happily, sounding much like
>> they were saying:
>>
>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>
>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>
>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will
>>> fit.
>>
>> Find a bent Phaeton/Toerag V10 TDi...?
>
> Probably not, I did say upto the R36.

Apologies, I was hoping that meant date wise, and I thought that engine was 
newer :-)

R36 it is then I guess?  Still, that is 300bhp, it'd probably do...  If it 
used his current 4 cyl LPG system, and when that was on, turned the other 2 
un-lpg'd cylindars off, that would be quite a neat trick hehe.  300bhp 3.6 
V6, and like, 8p a mile to fuel or something :-)

-- 
Dan B
Clio R27
date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:38:42 +0100   author:   DanB

Re: VW engine type gurus   
Bob Sherunckle wrote:

>> What variety of Golf? I'm asking a couple of people elsewhere....
> 
> MK3.5
> 
> So, it looks like a MKIV from the front, but is actually a MK3 under the 
> skin.
> It's a girly ragtop, but the important oily bits are MK3.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> JF 
> 
> 
Opinion has it that a 2.0 ABF goes in without too much trouble.

Pretty much anything will go in if you're prepared to change more stuff.

Reccomendation was a VR6 24V with a MK3 box, but that sounds like more 
work than you had planned.

Not an expert myself, so I asked some chaps that would know:

http://briskoda.net/general-car-chat/engine-swaps-ping-lummox-teflontom/123652/
date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:15:21 GMT   author:   Chris Bartram

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Chris Bartram"  wrote in message 
news:JVTBk.61538$E41.54170@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Bob Sherunckle wrote:
>
>>> What variety of Golf? I'm asking a couple of people elsewhere....
>>
>> MK3.5
>>
>> So, it looks like a MKIV from the front, but is actually a MK3 under the 
>> skin.
>> It's a girly ragtop, but the important oily bits are MK3.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> JF
> Opinion has it that a 2.0 ABF goes in without too much trouble.
>
> Pretty much anything will go in if you're prepared to change more stuff.
>
> Reccomendation was a VR6 24V with a MK3 box, but that sounds like more 
> work than you had planned.
>
> Not an expert myself, so I asked some chaps that would know:
>
> http://briskoda.net/general-car-chat/engine-swaps-ping-lummox-teflontom/123652/

Ooh, that's handy.
I'm a member on there too. (Felicia Classic 1.3)

Many thanks for the legwork.

Cheers

John F
date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:51:27 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
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> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>
> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)

ABF would be the obvious simple swap (2.0 16V GTI lump)
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:39:50 +0100   author:   Doki

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Chris Bartram"  wrote in message 
> news:4LyBk.61100$E41.16072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Homer wrote:
>>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>
>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>
>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will 
>>> fit.
>>>
>>>
>> Depends if he wants to keep the gearbox as well.
>
> That I would definitely want to do.
> A sensible increase in torque would be all I wanted really.
> A 2.0 8 valve engine would be great if that were possible.

The 2.0 8V of that era is a bit shit. 112 horses, which is the same as the 
original 1.8 8V GTI engine of 20 odd years ago.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:11:56 +0100   author:   Doki

Re: VW engine type gurus   
"Doki"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
> news:crWdnUXUJdFrJEvVnZ2dnUVZ8uqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Chris Bartram"  wrote in message 
>> news:4LyBk.61100$E41.16072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>> "Bob Sherunckle"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:KJWdnSSgle5XAUvVnZ2dnUVZ8g6dnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>>
>>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will 
>>>> fit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Depends if he wants to keep the gearbox as well.
>>
>> That I would definitely want to do.
>> A sensible increase in torque would be all I wanted really.
>> A 2.0 8 valve engine would be great if that were possible.
>
> The 2.0 8V of that era is a bit shit. 112 horses, which is the same as the 
> original 1.8 8V GTI engine of 20 odd years ago.

You're right of course.
The attraction of this engine is that it would bolt straight in with no 
electrical or plumbing issues to resolve.
It has either 112 or 115bhp depending on where you look. 123 lb/ft of torque 
too.
Whilst not wonderful, they are both improvements on my current 1.6 which is 
100 for both figures.
I suspect the area under the torque curve will be far better than my current 
1.6 as well, which is where driveability is.

We'll see. If one comes up at the righ money, I think I'll have it.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:35:04 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

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>>>>>> My Golf has a 1.6 AFT in it - it says so on the cam cover.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were I to consider an exchange engine, what fits where an AFT fits.
>>>>>> Doesn't have to be a 1.6 neccesarily :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Practically any VW engine upto and including an R36 from a Passat will 
>>>>> fit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Depends if he wants to keep the gearbox as well.
>>>
>>> That I would definitely want to do.
>>> A sensible increase in torque would be all I wanted really.
>>> A 2.0 8 valve engine would be great if that were possible.
>>
>> The 2.0 8V of that era is a bit shit. 112 horses, which is the same as 
>> the original 1.8 8V GTI engine of 20 odd years ago.
>
> You're right of course.
> The attraction of this engine is that it would bolt straight in with no 
> electrical or plumbing issues to resolve.
> It has either 112 or 115bhp depending on where you look. 123 lb/ft of 
> torque too.
> Whilst not wonderful, they are both improvements on my current 1.6 which 
> is 100 for both figures.
> I suspect the area under the torque curve will be far better than my 
> current 1.6 as well, which is where driveability is.
>
> We'll see. If one comes up at the righ money, I think I'll have it.

I bet a 16V KR from a MK2 would fit straight in too. Same block as the ABF 
more or less. 139 horses...
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:03:05 +0100   author:   Doki

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> I bet a 16V KR from a MK2 would fit straight in too. Same block as the ABF 
> more or less. 139 horses...

Wiring ?
Plumbing ?

:-)
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:11:07 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

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>> I bet a 16V KR from a MK2 would fit straight in too. Same block as the 
>> ABF more or less. 139 horses...
>
> Wiring ?
> Plumbing ?
>
> :-)

Um. ABFs do go into MK2s without a lot of plumbing so I can't see why the KR 
wouldn't go into the MK3. The block has essentially stayed the same for 
donkeys years.

Anyway, I've got a KR that I want rid of so it's obviously the best solution 
:D.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:26:30 +0100   author:   Doki

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>>>
>>> I bet a 16V KR from a MK2 would fit straight in too. Same block as the 
>>> ABF more or less. 139 horses...
>>
>> Wiring ?
>> Plumbing ?
>>
>> :-)
>
> Um. ABFs do go into MK2s without a lot of plumbing so I can't see why the 
> KR wouldn't go into the MK3. The block has essentially stayed the same for 
> donkeys years.
>
> Anyway, I've got a KR that I want rid of so it's obviously the best 
> solution :D.

My gas system depends on signals from the exisiting 'electronic' fuel 
injection.
Whatever the solution, it would definitely involve retaining that.

What bits are with the KR ?

Not for the golf, but it strikes me that one of them onto a Passat / 80 / A4 
transaxle would be great in a mid engined car.
Like the one I have the plans here for. :-)
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:54:25 +0100   author:   Bob Sherunckle

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>>>>
>>>> I bet a 16V KR from a MK2 would fit straight in too. Same block as the 
>>>> ABF more or less. 139 horses...
>>>
>>> Wiring ?
>>> Plumbing ?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Um. ABFs do go into MK2s without a lot of plumbing so I can't see why the 
>> KR wouldn't go into the MK3. The block has essentially stayed the same 
>> for donkeys years.
>>
>> Anyway, I've got a KR that I want rid of so it's obviously the best 
>> solution :D.
>
> My gas system depends on signals from the exisiting 'electronic' fuel 
> injection.
> Whatever the solution, it would definitely involve retaining that.

Well you're fucked there then. K-jet is basically a glorifed toilet cistern.

> What bits are with the KR ?

The rest of the Golf, or any permutation of bits and engine. TBH I'd only be 
happy selling the engine and injection system as individual items rather 
than as a system - we could never get it to run after the immobiliser was 
ripped out by scallies.

> Not for the golf, but it strikes me that one of them onto a Passat / 80 / 
> A4 transaxle would be great in a mid engined car.
> Like the one I have the plans here for. :-)

Ah.
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:13:48 +0100   author:   Doki

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