Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look 
pretty decent.

Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it up 
the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 1 and 
it being on the other carriageway

-- 
Abo

Abo wrote:
> 
> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look 
> pretty decent.
> 
> Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it up 
> the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 1 and 
> it being on the other carriageway

Ooh, I saw one of these in a dealership in Stirling the other day as I 
had some crazy notion to buy a Polo.  The Sirocco looked OK, although 
it's fairly Golflike.

I guess the older ones would have appeared quite Golfy when they came 
out too?

In a choice between a Sirocco and a 3dr Golf, I'd probably be 
conservative and take the Golf.

The same dealership had a Passat CC.  Which isn't Coupe or Convertible. 
  It's also absolutely enormous.  Seemed quite low though, which was a 
welcome change.

-- 
Douglas - 'You're not a Music Buff if you like listening to FM Radio'

Abo wrote:
> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They
> look pretty decent.
>
> Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it
> up the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane
> 1 and it being on the other carriageway

Nice aren't they, I passed one on the way back from the WSBK at Donnington 
yesterday.

Now if they did an "Rxx" version with AWD and a V6 I'd be shifting some 
funds around my accounts.

-- 
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS (Cage)
http://www.brownz.org/

Douglas Payne  wrote:

> Abo wrote:
> > 
> > Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look
> > pretty decent.
> > 
> > Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it up
> > the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 1 and
> > it being on the other carriageway
> 
> Ooh, I saw one of these in a dealership in Stirling the other day as I
> had some crazy notion to buy a Polo.  The Sirocco looked OK, although
> it's fairly Golflike.
> 
> I guess the older ones would have appeared quite Golfy when they came
> out too?
> 
> In a choice between a Sirocco and a 3dr Golf, I'd probably be 
> conservative and take the Golf.
> 
> The same dealership had a Passat CC.  Which isn't Coupe or Convertible.
>   It's also absolutely enormous.  Seemed quite low though, which was a
> welcome change.

The Passat CC is a lovely looking car. But the interior has barely
changed over a decent spec. saloon.

I don't understand VW's strategy, though - the CC is just the car that
the B6 Passat should have been.
-- 
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"Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message 
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>
> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look 
> pretty decent.

Saw a lairy one at Goodwood and it looked awesome.  No idea if it was just 
bodykitted up or if it was something special.
>
> Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it up 
> the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 1 and 
> it being on the other carriageway
>
I love the new Mustangs.  And it's crazy that you can have a brand new one 
imported for about the price of a spec'd up Scirroco.  OK I know they have 
their flaws, but the special edition Bullit Mustang looks absolutely amazing 
IMHO and for £25k you get 300+bhp of proper RWD V8 muscle with the 
soundtrack to match.  And (I think) you can also stick your fingers up at 
the current road tax rules and just pay £185 pa.

If only I could afford it...

Douglas Payne  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They
>> look pretty decent.

> Ooh, I saw one of these in a dealership in Stirling the other day as I
> had some crazy notion to buy a Polo.  The Sirocco looked OK, although
> it's fairly Golflike.

Black Scirocco outside the local VW dealer the other day. Eww. It ate all 
the pies.

> The same dealership had a Passat CC.  Which isn't Coupe or Convertible.
>   It's also absolutely enormous.

Yup, saw one of them t'other day, too. Being washed by the local migrant-
labour-supermarket-carpark mob.

Not impressed. BIG, bland.

On 8 Sep, 20:45, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
> Douglas Payne  wrote:
> > Abo wrote:
>
> > > Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look
> > > pretty decent.
>
> > > Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it up
> > > the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 1 and
> > > it being on the other carriageway
>
> > Ooh, I saw one of these in a dealership in Stirling the other day as I
> > had some crazy notion to buy a Polo.  The Sirocco looked OK, although
> > it's fairly Golflike.
>
> > I guess the older ones would have appeared quite Golfy when they came
> > out too?
>
> > In a choice between a Sirocco and a 3dr Golf, I'd probably be
> > conservative and take the Golf.
>
> > The same dealership had a Passat CC.  Which isn't Coupe or Convertible.
> >   It's also absolutely enormous.  Seemed quite low though, which was a
> > welcome change.
>
> The Passat CC is a lovely looking car. But the interior has barely
> changed over a decent spec. saloon.
>
> I don't understand VW's strategy, though - the CC is just the car that
> the B6 Passat should have been.

Maybe... if they'd put three seats in the back instead of two.

--
JackH

Douglas Payne wrote:
> Abo wrote:
>>
>> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They 
>> look pretty decent.
>>
>> Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it 
>> up the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 
>> 1 and it being on the other carriageway
> 
> Ooh, I saw one of these in a dealership in Stirling the other day as I 
> had some crazy notion to buy a Polo.  The Sirocco looked OK, although 
> it's fairly Golflike.
> 
> I guess the older ones would have appeared quite Golfy when they came 
> out too?

Very, devastatingly Golfy in a floorpan kind of way.
> 
> In a choice between a Sirocco and a 3dr Golf, I'd probably be 
> conservative and take the Golf.
> 
> The same dealership had a Passat CC.  Which isn't Coupe or Convertible. 
>  It's also absolutely enormous.  Seemed quite low though, which was a 
> welcome change.

I had my lil E30 parked in an Avis car park the other day and it looked 
insanely small in amongst the new stuff. Definately much narrower and 
lower than the new Golf.



-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"

Pete M  wrote:

> I had my lil E30 parked in an Avis car park the other day and it looked
> insanely small in amongst the new stuff. Definately much narrower and
> lower than the new Golf.

I parked my 75 next to a new Focus hatch a few weeks back.

How have 'medium' cars grown in size to such an extent they're bigger
than 'large' cars of 20 years ago.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Hongdou GY200 -  - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 Veloce Sportwagon Selespeed -Alfa 156 TSpark- Passat 2.0TDI SE

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:37:09 +0100, Abo <no@spam.thanks> wrote:


We did this sometime ago.

>Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look 
>pretty decent.

Nope. incorrect, utterly wrong.

Park one next to a old one and weep. But hey, newer must be better so
shit on that old crap.
-- 
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On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:44:55 +0100, Douglas Payne
 wrote:

>Abo wrote:
>> 
>> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look 
>> pretty decent.
>> 
>> Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it up 
>> the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 1 and 
>> it being on the other carriageway
>
>Ooh, I saw one of these in a dealership in Stirling the other day as I 
>had some crazy notion to buy a Polo.  The Sirocco looked OK, although 
>it's fairly Golflike.
>
>I guess the older ones would have appeared quite Golfy when they came 
>out too?
>
>In a choice between a Sirocco and a 3dr Golf, I'd probably be 
>conservative and take the Golf.
>
>The same dealership had a Passat CC.  Which isn't Coupe or Convertible. 
>  It's also absolutely enormous.  Seemed quite low though, which was a 
>welcome change.

Truly huge, they had to do that to make a normal height car look low.

2008 Volkswagen Passat CC 1.8 TSI 1417 mm high, 1855 mm wide (0.76:1)
2008 Volkswagen Scirocco 1404 mm high, 1810 mm wide (0.77:1)
2007 Volkswagen Golf 1.4 TSI 1513 mm high, 1759 mm wide (0.86)
1986 Volkswagen Golf GTi 16v 1405 mm high, 1680 mm wide (0.84)

So although CC and new Scirocco are a lot lower than a new Golf they
are about the same as an old Golf.  The excessive width helps make
them look lower than they are.  That width means there's a quite a few
cm less between you and the garage wall.  Sheesh CC is 17.5cm wider
than old Golf, that's like you need to be down to size zero to shimmy
out, so you will need a new garage, or a good diet, or just do what
everyone else does - leave it outside ready to reverse off the
driveway.

BUT real sporty cars are under 1270mm (50") high [1].
1986 Volkswagen Scirocco 16v 1295 mm high 1630 mm wide (0.79:1)
Lower it 1" and it makes the grade (in a poor man's DMC time machine
sort of way).

It seems they are slightly lower in proportion to width but have to be
bigger or even huge in girth to look low. My 1979 910 Bluebird 1.8GL
Estate was 1404 mm high, 1655mm wide (0.85:1), so by VW's standards
it's now a low sleek sporty car.

[1] The new Lotus Evora will be decently low (way lower than current
Porsche offerings) but yet again is 100mm taller than the old models.
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Peter Hill  gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

> Park one next to a old one and weep.

Depends.

The Mk1 Scirocco was just gorgeous.
The Mk2 wasn't bad, but wasn't all that.

So - park the new one next to a Mk1 and weep, sure, but next to a Mk2 and 
just sniffle a bit, yes.

steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> How have 'medium' cars grown in size to such an extent they're bigger
> than 'large' cars of 20 years ago.

Yup. The Golf I had a while back was a full _foot_ wider than the 900.

Pete M wrote:

> Very, devastatingly Golfy in a floorpan kind of way.

Very Golfy in lots of ways, apart from trim and panels.

Adrian wrote:
> Peter Hill  gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying:
> 
>> Park one next to a old one and weep.
> 
> Depends.
> 
> The Mk1 Scirocco was just gorgeous.
> The Mk2 wasn't bad, but wasn't all that.
> 
> So - park the new one next to a Mk1 and weep, sure, but next to a Mk2 and 
> just sniffle a bit, yes.
Always wanted a Mk1. Went to look at one as a project: you didn't so 
much need a trailer as a dustpan and brush :-)

Carl Gibbs  wrote:

> And (I think) you can also stick your fingers up at 
> the current road tax rules and just pay £185 pa.

Correct. And if you get the right performance mods you can have IRS and
overcome the major valid complaint about the Mustang.

Steve Firth wrote:
> Carl Gibbs  wrote:
> 
>> And (I think) you can also stick your fingers up at 
>> the current road tax rules and just pay £185 pa.
> 
> Correct. And if you get the right performance mods you can have IRS and
> overcome the major valid complaint about the Mustang.

I can't decide whether it's great or absolutely shocking that in 2008, 
replacing the rear suspension to make it IRS on a brand new car is a 
realistic performance upgrade.

My dad fitted telescopic dampers and anti-tramp bars to his Midget 
around the time of William the Conqueror, but even at the time, William 
the conqueror thought that the Midget was a pile of outdated crap.

-- 
Douglas - 'You're not a Music Buff if you like listening to FM Radio'

Douglas Payne  wrote:

> Steve Firth wrote:
> > Carl Gibbs  wrote:
> > 
> >> And (I think) you can also stick your fingers up at 
> >> the current road tax rules and just pay £185 pa.
> > 
> > Correct. And if you get the right performance mods you can have IRS and
> > overcome the major valid complaint about the Mustang.
> 
> I can't decide whether it's great or absolutely shocking that in 2008,
> replacing the rear suspension to make it IRS on a brand new car is a 
> realistic performance upgrade.

<shrug> Most septics don't do corners and do drag racing where lack of
IRS and rear leaf springs isn't a problem. Performance upgrade on the
cheap is parabolic carbon fibre leaf springs.

"Douglas Payne"  wrote in message 
news:6imv4uFrlmhgU1@mid.individual.net...
> Steve Firth wrote:
>> Carl Gibbs  wrote:
>>
>>> And (I think) you can also stick your fingers up at the current road tax 
>>> rules and just pay £185 pa.
>>
>> Correct. And if you get the right performance mods you can have IRS and
>> overcome the major valid complaint about the Mustang.
>
> I can't decide whether it's great or absolutely shocking that in 2008, 
> replacing the rear suspension to make it IRS on a brand new car is a 
> realistic performance upgrade.
>
> My dad fitted telescopic dampers and anti-tramp bars to his Midget around 
> the time of William the Conqueror, but even at the time, William the 
> conqueror thought that the Midget was a pile of outdated crap.
>
My SD1 has a live rear axle.  My old 360 had de dion axle and leaf springs. 
Makes no odds to me - both work and both are still amusing to drive.  And 
I'd still take a 300bhp RWD muscle car over a tarted up 200bhp FWD Golf 
(even if I do like them too) ;)

"Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message 
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>
> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look 
> pretty decent.

A bit hip heavy at the back, other than that very nice, comfortable even for 
a man of wide hips such as my self, you feel like you are sitting more in it 
than on it the way you do in even the R32 golf, surprisingly  massive boot 
but rear visibility is a joke. I should have taken the hot sales woman up on 
the test drive to see how good the Audi derived active suspension is, but I'd 
like to see a Storm on the horizon (as it were), the R32 lump and Haldex is 
just begging to be put into it.

Peter Hill wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:44:55 +0100, Douglas Payne
>  wrote:
> 
>> Abo wrote:
>>> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look 
>>> pretty decent.
>>>
>>> Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it up 
>>> the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 1 and 
>>> it being on the other carriageway
>> Ooh, I saw one of these in a dealership in Stirling the other day as I 
>> had some crazy notion to buy a Polo.  The Sirocco looked OK, although 
>> it's fairly Golflike.
>>
>> I guess the older ones would have appeared quite Golfy when they came 
>> out too?
>>
>> In a choice between a Sirocco and a 3dr Golf, I'd probably be 
>> conservative and take the Golf.
>>
>> The same dealership had a Passat CC.  Which isn't Coupe or Convertible. 
>>  It's also absolutely enormous.  Seemed quite low though, which was a 
>> welcome change.
> 
> Truly huge, they had to do that to make a normal height car look low.
> 
> 2008 Volkswagen Passat CC 1.8 TSI 1417 mm high, 1855 mm wide (0.76:1)
> 2008 Volkswagen Scirocco 1404 mm high, 1810 mm wide (0.77:1)
> 2007 Volkswagen Golf 1.4 TSI 1513 mm high, 1759 mm wide (0.86)
> 1986 Volkswagen Golf GTi 16v 1405 mm high, 1680 mm wide (0.84)
> 
> So although CC and new Scirocco are a lot lower than a new Golf they
> are about the same as an old Golf.  The excessive width helps make
> them look lower than they are.  That width means there's a quite a few
> cm less between you and the garage wall.  Sheesh CC is 17.5cm wider
> than old Golf, that's like you need to be down to size zero to shimmy
> out, so you will need a new garage, or a good diet, or just do what
> everyone else does - leave it outside ready to reverse off the
> driveway.
> 
> BUT real sporty cars are under 1270mm (50") high [1].
> 1986 Volkswagen Scirocco 16v 1295 mm high 1630 mm wide (0.79:1)
> Lower it 1" and it makes the grade (in a poor man's DMC time machine
> sort of way).

E30 Touring, 1645mm wide, 1380mm high

-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"

Carl Gibbs wrote:
> 
> "Douglas Payne"  wrote in message 
> news:6imv4uFrlmhgU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Steve Firth wrote:
>>> Carl Gibbs  wrote:
>>>
>>>> And (I think) you can also stick your fingers up at the current road 
>>>> tax rules and just pay £185 pa.
>>>
>>> Correct. And if you get the right performance mods you can have IRS and
>>> overcome the major valid complaint about the Mustang.
>>
>> I can't decide whether it's great or absolutely shocking that in 2008, 
>> replacing the rear suspension to make it IRS on a brand new car is a 
>> realistic performance upgrade.
>>
>> My dad fitted telescopic dampers and anti-tramp bars to his Midget 
>> around the time of William the Conqueror, but even at the time, 
>> William the conqueror thought that the Midget was a pile of outdated 
>> crap.
>>
> My SD1 has a live rear axle.  My old 360 had de dion axle and leaf 
> springs. Makes no odds to me - both work and both are still amusing to 
> drive.  And I'd still take a 300bhp RWD muscle car over a tarted up 
> 200bhp FWD Golf (even if I do like them too) ;)

Range Rover has two live axles :-p

-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"

Pete M  wrote:

> > BUT real sporty cars are under 1270mm (50") high [1].
> > 1986 Volkswagen Scirocco 16v 1295 mm high 1630 mm wide (0.79:1)
> > Lower it 1" and it makes the grade (in a poor man's DMC time machine
> > sort of way).
> 
> E30 Touring, 1645mm wide, 1380mm high

Alfa 75: 1631mm wide, 1349mm high.

Makes it 0.82:1

It would look *tiny* next to a new Scirocco.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Hongdou GY200 -  - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 Veloce Sportwagon Selespeed -Alfa 156 TSpark- Passat 2.0TDI SE

steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

>> E30 Touring, 1645mm wide, 1380mm high

> Alfa 75: 1631mm wide, 1349mm high.
> 
> Makes it 0.82:1

Look, guys... If we're going to be boasting about the ratio of width and 
height, can I just say that you're all amateurs?

1.08:1

Thank you.

Adrian  wrote:

> steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying:
> 
> >> E30 Touring, 1645mm wide, 1380mm high
> 
> > Alfa 75: 1631mm wide, 1349mm high.
> > 
> > Makes it 0.82:1
> 
> Look, guys... If we're going to be boasting about the ratio of width and
> height, can I just say that you're all amateurs?
> 
> 1.08:1
> 
> Thank you.

We're talking cars, not personal physique....
-- 
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www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Hongdou GY200 -  - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 Veloce Sportwagon Selespeed -Alfa 156 TSpark- Passat 2.0TDI SE

Adrian wrote:
> steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying:
> 
>>> E30 Touring, 1645mm wide, 1380mm high
> 
>> Alfa 75: 1631mm wide, 1349mm high.
>>
>> Makes it 0.82:1
> 
> Look, guys... If we're going to be boasting about the ratio of width and 
> height, can I just say that you're all amateurs?
> 
> 1.08:1
> 
> Thank you.

I am approximately 500mm wide and 1940mm high.

3.88.  Does that make me better than a S13 200SX? (c:

-- 
Douglas - 'You're not a Music Buff if you like listening to FM Radio'

steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

>> Look, guys... If we're going to be boasting about the ratio of width
>> and height, can I just say that you're all amateurs?
>> 
>> 1.08:1
>> 
>> Thank you.

> We're talking cars, not personal physique....

I was about to say "But you've met me..."

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:24:36 +0100, Douglas Payne
 wrote:

>Adrian wrote:
>> steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
>> were saying:
>> 
>>>> E30 Touring, 1645mm wide, 1380mm high
>> 
>>> Alfa 75: 1631mm wide, 1349mm high.
>>>
>>> Makes it 0.82:1
>> 
>> Look, guys... If we're going to be boasting about the ratio of width and 
>> height, can I just say that you're all amateurs?
>> 
>> 1.08:1
>> 
>> Thank you.
>
>I am approximately 500mm wide and 1940mm high.
>
>3.88.  Does that make me better than a S13 200SX? (c:

You will do just fine, be outside my house tomorrow morning and we
will see how you perform on 10.5miles with me piggy back. :-) At the
mo anything is better than the 3 cylinder chuffer I now own. :-(  172k
ain't bad for an alloy head and iron block. Hell when I got it I
expected I was going to replace the turbo every 50-60K miles so twice
in last 95K miles but it was still making 12psi until last sat.

I can feel a MHG upgrade coming on. (OMG a near OT post in ukrcm)
There's a head and inlet plenum on the living room floor and a turbo
and exhaust mani on the kitchen floor from a 65K mile scrapper. Just
got to remove cams, tappets, injectors and separate inlet mani from
head before taking it to get it skimmed and I think I'll let them re
face/seat the valves too.
-- 
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"Peter Hill"  wrote in message 
news:l9fbc4h94go7ojibc39vlclgc54r5aekam@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:37:09 +0100, Abo <no@spam.thanks> wrote:
>
>
> We did this sometime ago.
>
>>Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look
>>pretty decent.
>
> Nope. incorrect, utterly wrong.
>

You can't tell him he's not allowed to like the looks dude, it's not up to 
you.

I saw a black one on the road just near the ring when we were over there, it 
looked pretty good in black.  I don't really like the look of them in blue 
at all though.

I think I'd take the Golf over it though, white, 3dr, 18" Monza upgrade, 
full leather, DSG, massive list price...  I think they look great like that 
:-)

I never liked the old Scirocco even when I was little, my mates neighbour 
had one that he reckoned was rare, dunno if it was, was the later shape of 
the original ones and I always thought it was too pointy.  I way preferred 
stuff like, the 205 and older Beemers of the time.

-- 
Dan B
Clio R27

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:42:10 +0100, Pete M
 wrote:

>Peter Hill wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:44:55 +0100, Douglas Payne
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Abo wrote:
>>>> Saw a lorry load being hauled souyth down the M6 this morning. They look 
>>>> pretty decent.
>>>>
>>>> Also saw a black new-shape Mustang with a nice loud exhaust caning it up 
>>>> the other way. I actually felt it go past despite me being in lane 1 and 
>>>> it being on the other carriageway
>>> Ooh, I saw one of these in a dealership in Stirling the other day as I 
>>> had some crazy notion to buy a Polo.  The Sirocco looked OK, although 
>>> it's fairly Golflike.
<snip>
>> 2008 Volkswagen Scirocco 1404 mm high, 1810 mm wide (0.77:1)
<snip>
>> BUT real sporty cars are under 1270mm (50") high [1].
>> 1986 Volkswagen Scirocco 16v 1295 mm high 1630 mm wide (0.79:1)
>> Lower it 1" and it makes the grade (in a poor man's DMC time machine
>> sort of way).
>
>E30 Touring, 1645mm wide, 1380mm high

Nissan 910 1.8GL Bluebird wagon (estate)
1405mm high, 1655mm wide

Looks like the E30 is a whole inch more stylish than a Bluebird and it
shows BMW did pay attention to things like a low roofline back then.
-- 
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In article <1in0m7j.qhmj7w15dqm63N%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, 
steve@italiancar.co.uk says...
> Pete M  wrote:
> 
> > > BUT real sporty cars are under 1270mm (50") high [1].
> > > 1986 Volkswagen Scirocco 16v 1295 mm high 1630 mm wide (0.79:1)
> > > Lower it 1" and it makes the grade (in a poor man's DMC time machine
> > > sort of way).
> > 
> > E30 Touring, 1645mm wide, 1380mm high
> 
> Alfa 75: 1631mm wide, 1349mm high.
> 
> Makes it 0.82:1
> 
> It would look *tiny* next to a new Scirocco.
> 
Width 1764mm
Height 1420mm

So the new Scirroco is nearly as tall and long as and wider than what is 
essentially a large sports saloon rather than a "small" sporty car.
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In article , cagmeister@yahoo.co.uk 
says...
> My SD1 has a live rear axle. 
> 
My rangie had them front and rear.
That was "interesting" with the 3" lift and no steering correction.
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In article , 
iridiumdan@googlemail.com says...
> I think I'd take the Golf over it though, white, 3dr, 18" Monza upgrade, 
> full leather, DSG, massive list price...  I think they look great like that 
> :-)
> 
Satin Black, pimp tints, slammed, 20s, dish, camber, but I'll go with 
the leather, DSG and all the options.
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