Blimey. A Laguna diesel running on it's own engine oil and expiring is 
quite an impressive show :-).

Chris Bartram wrote:
> Blimey. A Laguna diesel running on it's own engine oil and expiring is 
> quite an impressive show :-).

I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.

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Pete M wrote:
> Chris Bartram wrote:
>> Blimey. A Laguna diesel running on it's own engine oil and expiring is 
>> quite an impressive show :-).
> 
> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
> 
First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...

Chris Bartram wrote:
> Blimey. A Laguna diesel running on it's own engine oil and expiring is
> quite an impressive show :-).

Surely not one from years ago that was sent out of the factory with the 
wrong dipstick?

>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>
> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...

Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?

GB wrote:
>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>
>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
> 
> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
> 
> 
> 
You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.

Doki wrote:
> Chris Bartram wrote:
>> Blimey. A Laguna diesel running on it's own engine oil and expiring is
>> quite an impressive show :-).
> 
> Surely not one from years ago that was sent out of the factory with the 
> wrong dipstick?
It was a not-that-old one. They have a reputation for the turbo seals 
failing and doing this.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:34:13 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:

> GB wrote:
>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>>
>>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
>> 
>> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.

Official VAG apprentice training says to pour water into the air intake 
if possible. If not, evacuate workshop!

Chris

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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:34:13 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:

> GB wrote:
>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>>
>>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
>> 
>> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.

Auto?

:-)

Chris

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Chris Whelan wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:34:13 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:
> 
>> GB wrote:
>>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>>>
>>>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
>>> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.
> 
> Auto?
> 
> :-)
> 
> Chris
> 
Then I guess you're screwed :-)

Chris Bartram wrote:
> Chris Whelan wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:34:13 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:
>>
>>> GB wrote:
>>>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
>>>> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.
>>
>> Auto?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Chris
>>
> Then I guess you're screwed :-)

Open bonnet, remove air intake pipe, choke the intake?

Abo wrote:
> Chris Bartram wrote:
>> Chris Whelan wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:34:13 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:
>>>
>>>> GB wrote:
>>>>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
>>>>> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.
>>>
>>> Auto?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>> Then I guess you're screwed :-)
> 
> Open bonnet, remove air intake pipe, choke the intake?

He wouldn't have had time :-)

Chris Bartram  gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>>>>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.

>>>>> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.

>>>> Auto?

>>> Then I guess you're screwed :-)

>> Open bonnet, remove air intake pipe, choke the intake?

> He wouldn't have had time :-)

Or the balls, probably. I know I damn well wouldn't...

Adrian wrote:
> Or the balls, probably. I know I damn well wouldn't...

Do they rev up to a point that bits start flying out of the block then?

Chris Whelan wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:34:13 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:
> 
>> GB wrote:
>>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>>>
>>>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
>>> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.
> 
> Official VAG apprentice training says to pour water into the air intake 
> if possible. If not, evacuate workshop!
> 
> Chris
> 
Blimey. I'd have thought you could get hydrostatic lock with that?

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:10:59 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:

> Chris Whelan wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:34:13 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:
>> 
>>> GB wrote:
>>>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
>>>> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.
>> 
>> Official VAG apprentice training says to pour water into the air intake
>> if possible. If not, evacuate workshop!
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
> Blimey. I'd have thought you could get hydrostatic lock with that?

I think that's the plan!

Chris

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Chris Bartram  gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>> Official VAG apprentice training says to pour water into the air intake
>> if possible. If not, evacuate workshop!

> Blimey. I'd have thought you could get hydrostatic lock with that?

Yup. But at least all the buggered bits stay in the same place. Mainly.

Chris Bartram wrote:
> Blimey. A Laguna diesel running on it's own engine oil and expiring is 
> quite an impressive show :-).

Hmm, I've missed something. Where was it?

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Adrian wrote:

> A diesel which is fuelling itself via fooked turbo seals will rev the
> conkers off - with no limiter other than the mechanical limits of the
> innards - until it runs out of fuel.
>
> Now remember what it's using as fuel, and what else'll happen in short
> order when that fuel is exhausted...


I assume it just seizes up when all the engine oil is used up - unless it 
over-revs to the point bits fly out of the side, like I said before.  I 
suppose when it gets really hot the engine would make a nice explosive 
mixture when mixed with air?

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:46:24 +0100, GB wrote:

> Adrian wrote:
> 
>> A diesel which is fuelling itself via fooked turbo seals will rev the
>> conkers off - with no limiter other than the mechanical limits of the
>> innards - until it runs out of fuel.
>>
>> Now remember what it's using as fuel, and what else'll happen in short
>> order when that fuel is exhausted...
> 
> 
> I assume it just seizes up when all the engine oil is used up - unless
> it over-revs to the point bits fly out of the side, like I said before. 
> I suppose when it gets really hot the engine would make a nice explosive
> mixture when mixed with air?

A piston seizure at those sort of revs will normally cause the piston to 
shatter. That's if a con-rod hasn't already broken of course.

Chris

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Adrian  wrote:

> A diesel which is fuelling itself via fooked turbo seals will rev the
> conkers off - with no limiter other than the mechanical limits of the
> innards - until it runs out of fuel.

I'd guess, and I'm willing to admit that I may be wrong, that the
overspeed kills the engine long before the sump runs out of oil.

Chris Whelan wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:10:59 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:
> 
>> Chris Whelan wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:34:13 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:
>>>
>>>> GB wrote:
>>>>>>> I do enjoy watching diesels grenade like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> First time I've seen it. Poor bloke didn't know what to do...
>>>>> Buy a new car? What else should he do/have done?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You can minimise dmage by putting it in a high gear and stalling it.
>>> Official VAG apprentice training says to pour water into the air intake
>>> if possible. If not, evacuate workshop!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>> Blimey. I'd have thought you could get hydrostatic lock with that?
> 
> I think that's the plan!
> 
> Chris
> 
So new engine time then.

Adrian C wrote:
> Chris Bartram wrote:
>> Blimey. A Laguna diesel running on it's own engine oil and expiring is 
>> quite an impressive show :-).
> 
> Hmm, I've missed something. Where was it?
> 
Behind me at these traffic lights:

<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pelsall&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.059141,46.186523&ie=UTF8&ll=52.624284,-1.967497&spn=0.015084,0.045104&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A>

But it expred quite quickly, so you've missed it :-)

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:44:25 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:

[...]

> So new engine time then.

The only time I've known of the "throw a bucket of water over it" 
technique being used, the engine got rebuilt. I don't know what damage 
was done, but at least the block was intact.

Chris

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Chris Bartram wrote:
> Adrian C wrote:
>> Chris Bartram wrote:
>>> Blimey. A Laguna diesel running on it's own engine oil and expiring 
>>> is quite an impressive show :-).
>>
>> Hmm, I've missed something. Where was it?
>>
> Behind me at these traffic lights:
> 
> <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pelsall&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=15.059141,46.186523&ie=UTF8&ll=52.624284,-1.967497&spn=0.015084,0.045104&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A> 
> 
> 
> But it expred quite quickly, so you've missed it :-)
Bad form replying to ones own post but I fecked the map up.


The lights are at 'B', if anyone is really that interested.

<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Pelsall,+Walsall,+West+Midlands,+UK&daddr=52.6303424,-1.9683843+to:B4154%2FNorton+Rd&hl=en&geocode=FX0OIwMdSfLh_w%3BFUYTIwMdAPfh_ynBPuCfx6FwSDGQkBnMI4sNEw%3BFbb7IgMddPrh_w&mra=mi&mrsp=1&sz=18&sll=52.624291,-1.967529&sspn=0.001885,0.005638&ie=UTF8&ll=52.624291,-1.967534&spn=0.015084,0.045104&t=h&z=15&via=1>

Chris Whelan wrote:
>>
>> I assume it just seizes up when all the engine oil is used up -
>> unless it over-revs to the point bits fly out of the side, like I
>> said before. I suppose when it gets really hot the engine would make
>> a nice explosive mixture when mixed with air?
>
> A piston seizure at those sort of revs will normally cause the piston
> to shatter. That's if a con-rod hasn't already broken of course.

That's pretty much what I thought. If you can't stop the engine straight 
away, I can't see the poing of hanging around anywhere within range of 
flying bits of metal.

Chris Bartram wrote:
>
> The lights are at 'B', if anyone is really that interested.

Just to let you know that I did not look. :-)