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date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:19:47 GMT,    group: uk.rec.cars.maintenance        back       
Coil - OEM or pattern?   
My newly acquired '03 1.6 Focus has a misfire. I've replaced plugs and 
leads, and it's 95% better.

The old plugs were very much past their replacement mileage, so it's 
likely that the HT coil has been damaged. (Common Ford scenario.)

I've always been an advocate of original parts, *but* an OEM coil from 
Fordpartsuk is 77.32UKP + VAT. (This is a 25% discount on the full retail 
price of 103.09UKP + VAT.)

A local factors is offering a pattern one (Intermotor) for 31.40UKP + VAT.

Any opinions as to which one I should get?

Chris

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date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:19:47 GMT   author:   Chris Whelan

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
Chris Whelan wrote:

> My newly acquired '03 1.6 Focus has a misfire. I've replaced plugs and 
> leads, and it's 95% better.
> 
> The old plugs were very much past their replacement mileage, so it's 
> likely that the HT coil has been damaged. (Common Ford scenario.)
> 
> I've always been an advocate of original parts, but an OEM coil from 
> Fordpartsuk is 77.32UKP + VAT. (This is a 25% discount on the full retail 
> price of 103.09UKP + VAT.)
> 
> A local factors is offering a pattern one (Intermotor) for 31.40UKP + VAT.
> 
> Any opinions as to which one I should get?
> 
> Chris

My local ford dealer offers both , when i needed new antirolls for my focus they
wanted £30 plus each for oem or £6.00 for pattern looking at them they were
identical and from the same manufacturer !!
date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:29:34 GMT   author:   steve robinson

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
"Chris Whelan"  wrote in message 
news:nU0Bm.80636$qM1.64314@newsfe19.ams2...
> My newly acquired '03 1.6 Focus has a misfire. I've replaced plugs and
> leads, and it's 95% better.
>
> The old plugs were very much past their replacement mileage, so it's
> likely that the HT coil has been damaged. (Common Ford scenario.)
>
> I've always been an advocate of original parts, *but* an OEM coil from
> Fordpartsuk is 77.32UKP + VAT. (This is a 25% discount on the full retail
> price of 103.09UKP + VAT.)
>
> A local factors is offering a pattern one (Intermotor) for 31.40UKP + VAT.
>
> Any opinions as to which one I should get?
>

With something like a coil pack, which if dubious / faulty can do £hundreds 
damage to the ECU, I would strongly suggest you go with the OEM.

Tim.
date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:26:02 +0100   author:   Tim..

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:26:02 +0100, Tim.. wrote:

> "Chris Whelan"  wrote in message
> news:nU0Bm.80636$qM1.64314@newsfe19.ams2...
>> My newly acquired '03 1.6 Focus has a misfire. I've replaced plugs and
>> leads, and it's 95% better.
>>
>> The old plugs were very much past their replacement mileage, so it's
>> likely that the HT coil has been damaged. (Common Ford scenario.)
>>
>> I've always been an advocate of original parts, *but* an OEM coil from
>> Fordpartsuk is 77.32UKP + VAT. (This is a 25% discount on the full
>> retail price of 103.09UKP + VAT.)
>>
>> A local factors is offering a pattern one (Intermotor) for 31.40UKP +
>> VAT.
>>
>> Any opinions as to which one I should get?
>>
>>
> With something like a coil pack, which if dubious / faulty can do
> £hundreds damage to the ECU, I would strongly suggest you go with the
> OEM.
> 
> Tim.

Thanks Tim. I value your opinion based on all the help you've given here, 
and in a.a.f.f. in the past; OEM one duly ordered.

Chris

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date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:43:10 GMT   author:   Chris Whelan

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
Chris Whelan wrote:
> My newly acquired '03 1.6 Focus has a misfire. I've replaced plugs and 
> leads, and it's 95% better.
> 
> The old plugs were very much past their replacement mileage, so it's 
> likely that the HT coil has been damaged. (Common Ford scenario.)
> 
> I've always been an advocate of original parts, *but* an OEM coil from 
> Fordpartsuk is 77.32UKP + VAT. (This is a 25% discount on the full retail 
> price of 103.09UKP + VAT.)
> 
> A local factors is offering a pattern one (Intermotor) for 31.40UKP + VAT.
> 
> Any opinions as to which one I should get?
> 
> Chris
> 
Genuine or OEM

Can you get a Bosch/Whoever OEMS it for them one?
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:18:55 +0100   author:   Chris Bartram

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
Chris Whelan wrote:
>  Ford coil packs are a known weak point 
> however; I'm thinking that a third-party one won't be any worse?
> 
> Chris
> 
Not just Ford though.... Like DMFs :-)
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:20:03 +0100   author:   Chris Bartram

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:18:55 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:

[...]

> Genuine or OEM
> 
> Can you get a Bosch/Whoever OEMS it for them one?

It doesn't seem so. The only non-OEM ones with a name on that I can find 
are branded Intermotor. There are lots on eBay with no branding.

I've decided to go with a genuine Ford one; I'm planning to keep the car 
for a while, so perhaps that makes sense.

Chris

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date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:09:25 GMT   author:   Chris Whelan

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
Chris Whelan wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:18:55 +0100, Chris Bartram wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Genuine or OEM
>>
>> Can you get a Bosch/Whoever OEMS it for them one?
> 
> It doesn't seem so. The only non-OEM ones with a name on that I can find 
> are branded Intermotor. There are lots on eBay with no branding.
> 
> I've decided to go with a genuine Ford one; I'm planning to keep the car 
> for a while, so perhaps that makes sense.
> 
> Chris
> 
Good choice.
date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:41:09 +0100   author:   Chris Bartram

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
"Chris Whelan"  wrote in message 
news:nU0Bm.80636$qM1.64314@newsfe19.ams2...
> My newly acquired '03 1.6 Focus has a misfire. I've replaced plugs and
> leads, and it's 95% better.
>
> The old plugs were very much past their replacement mileage, so it's
> likely that the HT coil has been damaged. (Common Ford scenario.)
>
> I've always been an advocate of original parts, *but* an OEM coil from
> Fordpartsuk is 77.32UKP + VAT. (This is a 25% discount on the full retail
> price of 103.09UKP + VAT.)
>
> A local factors is offering a pattern one (Intermotor) for 31.40UKP + VAT.
>
> Any opinions as to which one I should get?
>
> Chris
>
> -- 

OEM every time, I wouldn't buy the cheap stuff, it never lasts and the
quality isn't as good.  Pattern = cheaper materials, less wear and less
life!  It's a false economy, like cheap tyres.  You pay less but change
them far more.
date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:36:48 +0100   author:   Roger

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
Chris Whelan wrote:
> My newly acquired '03 1.6 Focus has a misfire. I've replaced plugs and 
> leads, and it's 95% better.
> 
> The old plugs were very much past their replacement mileage, so it's 
> likely that the HT coil has been damaged. (Common Ford scenario.)
> 
> I've always been an advocate of original parts, *but* an OEM coil from 
> Fordpartsuk is 77.32UKP + VAT. (This is a 25% discount on the full retail 
> price of 103.09UKP + VAT.)
> 
> A local factors is offering a pattern one (Intermotor) for 31.40UKP + VAT.
> 
> Any opinions as to which one I should get?
> 
> Chris
> 

I bought a pattern coil pack from GSF for about £25 its been in the car 
and its now done about 40k with it happily.

Although like you if I can I will get OEM just for security its top 
notch and will last but I've started thinking more financially than 
quality ... and tried to balance the two with a good quality pattern. 
Often at places like GSF or euro carp parts theres a cheap as hell crap 
middle rangle - decent quality and a top shelf one. I always go middle 
and have done alright.

I'd say give it a go. As thats a big saving.
date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:49:30 +0100   author:   Peter smith

Re: Coil - OEM or pattern?   
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:36:48 +0100, Roger wrote:

> "Chris Whelan"  wrote in message
> news:nU0Bm.80636$qM1.64314@newsfe19.ams2...
>> My newly acquired '03 1.6 Focus has a misfire. I've replaced plugs and
>> leads, and it's 95% better.
>>
>> The old plugs were very much past their replacement mileage, so it's
>> likely that the HT coil has been damaged. (Common Ford scenario.)
>>
>> I've always been an advocate of original parts, *but* an OEM coil from
>> Fordpartsuk is 77.32UKP + VAT. (This is a 25% discount on the full
>> retail price of 103.09UKP + VAT.)
>>
>> A local factors is offering a pattern one (Intermotor) for 31.40UKP +
>> VAT.
>>
>> Any opinions as to which one I should get?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> --
> 
> OEM every time, I wouldn't buy the cheap stuff, it never lasts and the
> quality isn't as good.  Pattern = cheaper materials, less wear and less
> life!  It's a false economy, like cheap tyres.  You pay less but change
> them far more.

Ordinarily I would agree 100%. Ford coil packs are a known weak point 
however; I'm thinking that a third-party one won't be any worse?

Chris

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date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:25:30 GMT   author:   Chris Whelan

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